Tech Support for Mod conflicting/Crash to desktop.

[Leelok]

I've isolated the issue to it being... a conflict between LooksMenu and Race Customizer. 

Initially, I had downloaded a Next Gen Version of Looks menu and I went. "OH MY GOD I'M STUPID." That's when I got a proper version for 1.10.163 OF looks Menu. So I went and looked to do the same for Race menu but... that one is still as outdated and last update was in 2017. And I saw the last time I had downloaded them in 2022. Soooo Figured it'd be fine. 

Now I have my LooksMenu.esp, LMCC.esp(Customization compendium.), RaceCustomizer.esp, RC - LMCC Patch.esp, RC - Player Exclusive Body.esp, RC - Far Harbor Patch.esp Since I have Far harbor DLC. 

If I only have Looks Menu On. The game gets past the initial loading screen. And I can look at the starting cutscene. 
If I have both on, I crash to desktop. 
If I have JUST Race menu on, I crash to desktop. 

So... its isolated to Race customizer. 
The only other things I have that -should influence thing in that region of modding is another Life.. but I've just test it with it off and it doesn't appear to be the case?


I don't think its a version Mismatch but I also could very much be wrong. 

If Y'all got any questions, I'D be happy to answer them as well as provide any screenshots as well. 
Animated Gif of my mods at the moment. 
Edit: Added the export to CSV bit instead of a scrolling gif of my mods. 
Edit 2: Ignore the Hud mods. They're uninstalled. Dunno why they're still showing up. Wish it took my actual plugin list.. and not my profile. 

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#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name,#Mod_Version
"0000","+","DLC: Wasteland Workshop",""
"0001","+","DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop",""
"0002","+","DLC: Nuka-World",""
"0003","+","DLC: Far Harbor",""
"0004","+","DLC: Contraptions Workshop",""
"0005","+","DLC: Automatron",""
"0006","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-","2.7.1.0"
"0007","+","AnimeRace Nanakochan","1.5.1.0"
"0008","+","512 Standalone Hair Colors (1 ESP)","2.0.0.0"
"0009","+","animerace nanakochan No shining eyes at night","1.0.0.0"
"0010","+","AnimeRace Nanakochan CBBE Bodyslide Patch","1.6.0.0"
"0011","+","Power Armor Skeleton for Nanako","1.0.0.0"
"0012","+","P.A.M.S - Power Armor Movement Sounds","1.2.0.0"
"0013","+","More Power Armour Mods (More Power Armor Mods)","1.1.0.0"
"0014","+","NAVI - Brand New Power Armor","f1.03"
"0015","+","Better Power Armor - A Power Armor Overhaul","1.8.0.0"
"0016","+","Better Power Armor","1.8.0.0"
"0017","-","Immersive Power Armor HUD","1.4.0.0"
"0018","+","Power Armor Repair Kit","1.0.0.0"
"0019","+","Use Unarmed Weapons In Power Armor","1.0.0.0"
"0020","+","Armor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource (AWKCR)","8.6.0.0"
"0021","+","Armor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource","5.0.0.0"
"0022","+","Carry More with Power Armor REDUX","1.2.0.0"
"0023","+","Infinite Fusion Core for Power Armor IFCPA","Itjustworks"
"0024","+","Custom Race Skeleton Fixes - No RaceCustomizer Requirement - AnimeRace Nanakochan - CaN","1.0.0.0"
"0025","+","My Little Nanako","3.1.1.0"
"0026","-","HUDFramework","1.0.0.0f"
"0027","-","Immersive HUD - iHUD","3.0.0.0"
"0028","+","MikeMoore's MCAM - Melee Collectable and Adventure Mod (Weapon Pack)","3.0.1.0"
"0029","+","Vault Girl Interface - Neo's FOMOD Version","1.0.1.0"
"0030","-","Clean HUD","1.1.0.0"
"0031","+","Workshop Framework","2.4.10.0"
"0032","+","Survival Options","1.7.1.0"
"0033","+","Immersive Vendors","f3.00"
"0034","+","Arbitration","0.4.3.0"
"0035","+","Arbitration AI","0.4.3.0"
"0036","+","Wearable Backpacks and Pouches","1.4.0.0"
"0037","+","Scrap Everything","2.5.2.1"
"0038","+","JOURNEY - Survival Settlement Fast travel","1.6.1.0"
"0039","+","Immersive Wastelander's Armory","1.4.0.0"
"0040","+","Darker Nights 1.12p1","1.12.0.0p1"
"0041","+","Enhanced Blood Textures","f1.01"
"0042","+","Fallout Texture Overhaul Stars","1.0.0.0"
"0043","+","Smooth First Person Sprint - Less Jerkiness and Stutter","3.0.0.0"
"0044","+","Eli's Armour Compendium - EAC","2.1.0.0"
"0045","+","Fallout Priority Next-Gen - CPU Performance FPS Optimizer","4.0.1.0"
"0046","+","Towbie's Realistic Weapon Sounds","0.56.0.0"
"0047","-","PIRAD - Plausible and Immersive RADiation","0.9.9.0a"
"0048","+","True Storms - Wasteland Edition (Thunder-Rain-Weather Redone)","2.0.1.0"
"0049","+","True Storms - Wasteland Edition (Thunder-Rain-Weather Redone)Harbor patch","2.0.2.0"
"0050","+","Heavy Weaponry","3.72.0.0"
"0051","+","Another Life","f1.08"
"0052","+","Move that Workbench","1.5.0.0"
"0053","+","PPA - Powerful Power Armor Expanded","1.0.0.0"
"0054","+","Extended weapon mods","1.7.0.0"
"0055","+","Mod Configuration Menu","1.39.0.0"
"0056","+","APC Transport V2.2.7","2.2.7.0"
"0057","+","Enhanced Lights and FX","1.0.0.0"
"0058","+","Diamond City Expansion","1.6.2.0"
"0059","+","UNnaked Power Armor","3.0.0.0"
"0060","+","Unbreakable Power Armour","1.1.0.0"
"0061","+","Fallout 4 -Orkus Postapocalyptic Soundtrack","2.4.1.0"
"0062","+","Automatron -Orkus Postapocalyptic Soundtrack","1.8.5.0"
"0063","+","Fortaleza Armor - CBBE - BodySlide","5.1.0.0"
"0064","+","TheKite's Vault-Tec Slave Suit",".90a"
"0065","+","TheKite's Vault-Tec Slave Suit Replacer",".90"
"0066","+","Dual Wield Melee","3.0.0.0"
"0067","+","Dual Wield Melee 3.5","3.5.0.0"
"0068","+","Dual Wield Melee 3.5 Crafting","3.5.0.0"
"0069","+","Baggy TankTop - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0070","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 7 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0071","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 2 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.5.0.0"
"0072","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 8 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0073","+","Enemies Don't Shoot So Good No More","1.0.0.0"
"0074","+","M2 Flamethrower Redux","2.3.1.0"
"0075","+","The Flamer Rifle (Last of Us Flamethrower)","1.0.3.0"
"0076","+","Vivid Weathers","2.23.0.0"
"0077","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 6 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0078","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 4 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.1.0.0"
"0079","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 1 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.1.0.0"
"0080","+","Sim Settlements 2","3.5.1.0"
"0081","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 5 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.1.0.0"
"0082","+","Sim Settlements 2 - Chapter 2","2.2.3.0"
"0083","+","Sim Settlements 2 - Chapter 3","3.1.1.0a"
"0084","+","LooksMenu","1.6.20.0"
"0085","+","Looks Menu Customization Compendium","10.0.0.0"
"0086","-","RaceCustomizerLMCC","1.0.0.0"
"0087","-","RaceCustomizerReal","4.0.0.0"
"0088","-","RaceCustomizerFarHarbor","3.0.0.0"
"0089","-","RaceCustomizerPlayer","4.0.0.0"
"0090","+","Crafting Workbenches","2.2.0.0"
"0091","+","Nanakochan Harmony Patch","1.0.0.0"
"0092","-","My Little Nanako !!","3.17.0.0"
"0093","+","AngeliPowerArmor_EN_","d2025.12.24.0"
"0094","+","AngeliLatex_fixed","d2025.12.22.0"
"0095","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio","5.5.1.0"
"0096","-","FallUI - HUD","1.4.0.0"
"0097","+","DEF_UI","1.5.1.0"
"0098","-","HUDFramework DEFUI patch","d2025.12.24.0"
"0099","+","Power Armor map fix","1.1.0.0"
"0100","+","Angeli's Explorer Suit and Power Armor - Alternate White Texture","f0.01"
"0101","+","Visible Weapons - 3rd Person Holster","1.3.0.0"
 

Edited December 24, 2025 by Leelok

[kannz]

you should of just exported your modlist in a txt file.. but anyways you have a lot of mods. even some weapon mods would cause problems for me. best thing to do is to disable all but bare minimum and start enabling them in chunks of like 5 or 10. you will probably need to start new game saves every time you enable more mods.

EDIT: also isnt race menu for skyrim?

 

EDIT2: looking at your mods i can see a few that didnt work for me. if u put it in text ill be able help more. looking at it scrolling is making me dizzy.

 

Edited December 24, 2025 by kannz

[Leelok]

I... definitely should've.. Didn't know that was a thing. Apologies. 

Edit: Just went and checked and it doesn't have the proper LOOT sorting, does that even matter then? And its also showing mods I have disabled when I even try to select only the active ones.

Edited December 24, 2025 by Leelok

[kannz]

1 hour ago, Leelok said:

I... definitely should've.. Didn't know that was a thing. Apologies. 

Edit: Just went and checked and it doesn't have the proper LOOT sorting, does that even matter then? And its also showing mods I have disabled when I even try to select only the active ones.

 

uh lots of people say to not use loot to sort things because it doesnt know every mod or something. always best to put mods into categories. such as f4se at the top body mods ect. i would copy the categories from one of the tutorials for f4. i adhere loosely to things because lots of stuff just doesnt work for me at all the way it does for most. there was a few tutorials with a good amount of info.. 

 

looking for it..im not good at finding stuff on the forum.. lol i can always see how others have a hard time.

 

have you read the RTFM?

 

EDIT: heres something to read hehe (not the one i was looking for but its a start)

EDIT2: heres another (also not the one i was looking for) was looking for the one where the person has all her/his mods in categories that you could easily just copy and use for yourself..

i found the one i was looking for! (had to use google cuz this forum never finds anything)

 

not saying to download all of these mods and all there stuff. you can just split all your mods into nice categories and organize them. it works for some people. (not really for me all the time lol)

 

Edited December 24, 2025 by kannz

[Leelok]

So, thanks for all that help, read up a bit, went back to the drawing board.. and... now for... some unknown reasons. 

Whenever I... load back up a save, it... crashes to desktop? I... geezus.. how fucked is my mod files hahahahahaha. I gotta go bed.. I'd love if Y'all could.. help maybe while I'M asleep, maybe.. some pointers at -what- it could be from the list I got?

(I just removed Race Customiser. Turns out it wasn't exactly... -needed-. But it worked with it on, just at the bottom of my mod list anyways.)

Edit:Added the export to CSV to my main post now since all the mods are installed. (Besides the UI/Hud mods, I uninstalled all of those even though they're still in the list somehow. 

Edited December 24, 2025 by Leelok

[kannz]

well any time you disable mods like i said you will need to start a new game save. game saves will break when you remove mods. i read from others that even if you just change the load order you will need a new game save.

 

 

EDIT: i see you have survival options and JOURNEY - Survival Settlement Fast travel.(pick one they do the same thing) also you are using Workshop Framework without old gen replacers.(for me work shop framework doesnt work at all even with the so called old gen replacers but using old gen you will need the replacers for it to even be possible for it to work. also i think they have some kind of script thing thats needed) -Workshop Framework Script Override

 

Sim Settlements 2 without buffout might not work. i think you need to install buffout or buffout ng and its requirements.

pick one. i dont really know the difference but people say the original has more options but it looks the same to me..(i use buffout ng because you can set script numbers) 

heres buffout https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/47359

heres buffout ng https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/64880

heres buffouts requirement https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/33946 (xSE pluginpreloader)

ill keep looking

 

EDIT2: i dont see address library installed. 

here it is if you dont have it installed

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/47327

 

EDIT3: i see your using a stutter thing i suggest switching to uhm. 

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/47760

 

what is your refresh rate and fps? if its higher than 60hz 60fps i suggest high fps fix (make sure to set your fps in each thingy) i use 120hz refresh and 120fps but it depends on your hardware and monitor. ask if you are confused about configuring it.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/44798?tab=files

 

ill look more at it in a few

 

EDIT4:

i noticed this? "0020","+","Armor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource (AWKCR)","8.6.0.0"
"0021","+","Armor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource","5.0.0.0"

why do you have two different versions of this? i think you only need one.

 

Ah i see you have darker nights installed. i dont think its compatible with your other weather mods true storms and vivid weathers. also i dont think those last two are compatible with eachother either but im not positive. unless you have patches. which i think they have patches..not sure if all of them do.

Edited December 24, 2025 by kannz

[Leelok]

Ah for the Armor and weapons Keywords, One of them is a patch of sort I just had installed the patch first and then MO2 went. "Uuuh, these two are named the same!" and I went. "Ah shoot. THIS one is the real AWKCR.. The other isn't.. Sooo.. Yea. 

I'll absolutely get back to you after I finished spending a little bit of christmas time with the family. 

So hang on tight I'll try those things you've put in. 


I also forgot to mention, My pipboy hud doesn't have letters, they're full squares. And the inventory hud is... Functional but.. I can't tell whats what very much. 

I will also keep in mind what ya said about changing load order, but I even tested a quick game save, then closing, reopening and it still crashed me. Without any changed. 

I hope you spend a nice christmas and relax~<3. No need to quickly reply although I very much appreciate you helping me Kannz. Seriously. 
 

[Leelok]

OKAY! 

So, I got past the... crashing to desktop after a save file, Thanks to having you make me install buffout. I looked at the... crashlog and... well, the only thing that stuck out, was SimsSettlement chapter 3. And I remembered that... the file might be just a smidge newer than 1.10.163. Soooo it might not be compatible. 

NOW. As far as I know, the only issue we got right now... is my HUD.. I genuinely don't know what it can be, but its MOST likely power armor related. 

I have the Angeli Power armor, and I basically would like to play in it most, if not all the time. Why I got.. most of the power armor stuff.. Though, I am fairly certain a couple of them are conflicting or something.. Since, whenever I get in the suit, it... breaks my hud. 

I had tried.. to remove all the hud mods, but still happened.. however it still could be... a thing to mess things up? I do have a lot of them that needs compatibility patches with one another, I most definitely could've fucked up.. 

I have everything you told me to do! I got the addresses, I got buffout, which, proved very helpful as to why I was CTD'ing after loading a save game regardless of it being the same mods. 

To get back to you with the AWKCR. Like I said, one of them is the CBBE Patch. One of them is the Actual Mod. The story of how they came to be is in my prior post. 

As for Darker nights, both of them have options inside of them to go like "Oh I have vivid weathers and true storms installed! Install the patch for them!"

So yea, They should be working! (Looked like they were when I was running in sanctuary at least.)

I also did remove Journey since you've told me both of them essentially do the same thing, I kept survival options. Might switch, dunno how its gonna play out yet. 


For the the hud it could also just be a... Priority thing... Although, I went and re-installed FallUI just to be sure. And read that the pipboy resolution should be enhanced.. So I did that. And the 2nd screenshot joined to the post, Shows that... while it is MORE than workable now.. its... still broken? You can BARELY see the stimpack things at the bottom. 

And while I probably will never get out of my power armor. Whenever I do get out, my Inventory just... isn't working? It pauses as if it opens it but.. Nothing shows up. Just like before I installed all the FallUI things properly. (Map, hud, item sorter, etc.)

So... For now... seemingly, this hud thing is my only issue, thankfully, And thanks to you, Kannz. Seriously, I hope you spent some nice christmas time with your family or just had fun regardless if you couldn't see them!

[Leelok]

Okay. SO. Update, I attempted to like... bruteforce to see what my issue was... I uninstalled all of my power armor mods besides my.. Power armor mod that adds a power armor. Since I figured it shouldn't affect the UI. Kept all off FallUI and its added components. Still broken UI after Suiting up in the power armor, UI Still gone after leaving the power armor. 

I left the power armor mods uninstalled, Added some components I found out I was missing by disabling a few UI Mods. Everything -was- working, until I entered my power armor. 

I noticed I still had my ESPs and ESM and stuff, STILL in my plugins list, so just to be safe, I disabled them for sure in my profile so they don't even dare load. Didn't work. 

I tried both loading in my old save, AS WELL. as a new save file, but same results. 

And last ditch effort I just disabled every UI Mods while power armor mods are still disabled. Now my Pipboy is... broken? The screen of the pipboy turns on but theres no menu to navigate. 

AND. not to mention, the uuuuh... Computer screens are also gone. SOoo... most likely related as well. 

At this moment, these are the only mods I have installed. 

Spoiler

#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name,#Mod_Version
"0000","+","DLC: Wasteland Workshop",""
"0001","+","DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop",""
"0002","+","DLC: Nuka-World",""
"0003","+","DLC: Far Harbor",""
"0004","+","DLC: Contraptions Workshop",""
"0005","+","DLC: Automatron",""
"0006","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-","2.7.1.0"
"0007","+","AnimeRace Nanakochan","1.5.1.0"
"0008","+","animerace nanakochan No shining eyes at night","1.0.0.0"
"0009","+","AnimeRace Nanakochan CBBE Bodyslide Patch","1.6.0.0"
"0023","+","Custom Race Skeleton Fixes - No RaceCustomizer Requirement - AnimeRace Nanakochan - CaN","1.0.0.0"
"0024","+","My Little Nanako","3.1.1.0"
"0027","+","MikeMoore's MCAM - Melee Collectable and Adventure Mod (Weapon Pack)","3.0.1.0"
"0030","+","Survival Options","1.7.1.0"
"0031","+","Immersive Vendors","f3.00"
"0032","+","Arbitration","0.4.3.0"
"0033","+","Arbitration AI","0.4.3.0"
"0034","+","Wearable Backpacks and Pouches","1.4.0.0"
"0035","+","Scrap Everything","2.5.2.1"
"0036","+","Immersive Wastelander's Armory","1.4.0.0"
"0037","+","Darker Nights 1.12p1","1.12.0.0p1"
"0038","+","Enhanced Blood Textures","f1.01"
"0039","+","Fallout Texture Overhaul Stars","1.0.0.0"
"0040","+","Eli's Armour Compendium - EAC","2.1.0.0"
"0041","+","Fallout Priority Next-Gen - CPU Performance FPS Optimizer","4.0.1.0"
"0042","+","Towbie's Realistic Weapon Sounds","0.56.0.0"
"0044","+","True Storms - Wasteland Edition (Thunder-Rain-Weather Redone)","2.0.1.0"
"0045","+","True Storms - Wasteland Edition (Thunder-Rain-Weather Redone)Harbor patch","2.0.2.0"
"0046","+","Heavy Weaponry","3.72.0.0"
"0047","+","Another Life","f1.08"
"0048","+","Move that Workbench","1.5.0.0"
"0050","+","Extended weapon mods","1.7.0.0"
"0051","+","Mod Configuration Menu","1.39.0.0"
"0053","+","Enhanced Lights and FX","1.0.0.0"
"0054","+","Diamond City Expansion","1.6.2.0"
"0057","+","Fallout 4 -Orkus Postapocalyptic Soundtrack","2.4.1.0"
"0058","+","Automatron -Orkus Postapocalyptic Soundtrack","1.8.5.0"
"0059","+","Fortaleza Armor - CBBE - BodySlide","5.1.0.0"
"0065","+","Baggy TankTop - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0066","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 7 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0067","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 2 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.5.0.0"
"0068","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 8 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0069","+","Enemies Don't Shoot So Good No More","1.0.0.0"
"0070","+","M2 Flamethrower Redux","2.3.1.0"
"0071","+","The Flamer Rifle (Last of Us Flamethrower)","1.0.3.0"
"0072","+","Vivid Weathers","2.23.0.0"
"0073","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 6 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.0.0.0"
"0074","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 4 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.1.0.0"
"0075","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 1 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.1.0.0"
"0076","+","Sim Settlements 2","3.5.1.0"
"0077","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 5 - CBBE - BodySlide","1.1.0.0"
"0078","+","Sim Settlements 2 - Chapter 2","2.2.3.0"
"0080","+","LooksMenu","1.6.20.0"
"0081","+","Looks Menu Customization Compendium","10.0.0.0"
"0087","+","Nanakochan Harmony Patch","1.0.0.0"
"0089","+","AngeliPowerArmor_EN_","d2025.12.24.0"
"0090","+","AngeliLatex_fixed","d2025.12.22.0"
"0091","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio","5.5.1.0"
"0093","+","Angeli's Explorer Suit and Power Armor - Alternate White Texture","f0.01"
"0094","+","Visible Weapons - 3rd Person Holster","1.3.0.0"
"0095","+","Buffout 4","1.28.6.0"
"0096","+","Address Library for F4SE Plugins","1.10.163.0"
"0097","+","Workshop Framework","2.0.18.0a"
"0098","+","Sprint Stuttering Fix","1.2.0.0"
 

 

Edited December 26, 2025 by Leelok

[subaverage]

Sometimes things are so messed up that the "nuclear option" with uninstalling all mods and begin a new playthrough is the best. If you do so start the new playthrough without -any!- mods enabled until you leave Vault 111 the first time. Then install and activate mods more or less one by one. Beginning with F4SE, Address Library, etc. With testing, testing, testing. I can't recommend AWKCR and whether one really needs Buffout I can't say. I am still on Steam version 163 and have none of them. Scrap Everything belongs to the very last position in your load order.

Edited December 26, 2025 by subaverage

[deff.]

26 minutes ago, Leelok said:

Okay. SO. Update, I attempted to like... bruteforce to see what my issue was... I uninstalled all of my power armor mods besides my.. Power armor mod that adds a power armor. Since I figured it shouldn't affect the UI. Kept all off FallUI and its added components. Still broken UI after Suiting up in the power armor, UI Still gone after leaving the power armor. 

I left the power armor mods uninstalled, Added some components I found out I was missing by disabling a few UI Mods. Everything -was- working, until I entered my power armor. 

I noticed I still had my ESPs and ESM and stuff, STILL in my plugins list, so just to be safe, I disabled them for sure in my profile so they don't even dare load. Didn't work. 

I tried both loading in my old save, AS WELL. as a new save file, but same results. 

And last ditch effort I just disabled every UI Mods while power armor mods are still disabled. Now my Pipboy is... broken? The screen of the pipboy turns on but theres no menu to navigate. 

AND. not to mention, the uuuuh... Computer screens are also gone. SOoo... most likely related as well. 

At this moment, these are the only mods I have installed. 

 

 

 

Try to start a new game and see if the problem still appears. With this modlist as you have right now. If the problem with Pip-boy still exists, then some mod causes this (Arbitration?) if not, then something is fcked up in saves/etc...

[Leelok]

19 minutes ago, subaverage said:

Sometimes things are so messed up that the "nuclear option" with uninstalling all mods and begin a new playthrough is the best. If you do so start the new playthrough without -any!- mods enabled until you leave Vault 111 the first time. Then install and activate mods more or less one by one. Beginning with F4SE, Address Library, etc. With testing, testing, testing. I can't recommend AWKCR and whether one really needs Buffout I can't say. I am still on Steam version 163 and have none of them. Scrap Everything belongs to the very last position in your load order.

Yeaaaa... I'M hoping it doesn't come to this but... who knows.

I've put Scrap everything at the bottom like you've said! 
And I also disabled AWKCR in case it was something that could affect it, but yea nah.. still having these issues.
 

17 minutes ago, deff. said:

 

 

Try to start a new game and see if the problem still appears. With this modlist as you have right now. If the problem with Pip-boy still exists, then some mod causes this (Arbitration?) if not, then something is fcked up in saves/etc...

Yea, I said that was one of the things I did! Sorry if it wasn't clear enough. Arbitration is a difficulty mod.. mainly AI Stuff for the Enemies. 

I'll definitely try that since I obviously don't have much else to try but we'll see!

After having disabled Arbitration, yea.. pipboy issue still persists.. so... yea, somewhere I messed up but... I can't tell what could've affected... the hud?

[kannz]

these two are better at helping people than i am. thanks for jumping into the thread. 

 

have you tried disabling Vault Girl Interface - Neo's FOMOD Version? that sounds like it effects the pip boy or something is conflicing with it.

 

it says in the mod.

If you do not understand what I mean by the "install order", you need to override already installed files with VGM files. You can set rules for each conflicting file individually by clicking on "Manage rules" button in Vortex. Here is the example with some mods.
NTB! If you have weird block/rectangular pictures instead of VG animations or "Vault Boy heads", it could be so that some other mods are incompatible with VGM. To isolate the issue, you may try to enable only Vault Girl mod and one or several suspicious mods simultaneously. Sorry, I do not have time and desire to check all possible combinations. So, please, spend some time doing that. If you find such a mod, please, inform everyone here. Later, I can add those incompatible mods to the description.

Edited December 26, 2025 by kannz

[Leelok]

AH! Yea, I completely forgot to say that, but, during one of the tries. I did remove the Vault girl interface. So thats why I was confused cause... on the surface.. nothing that should be affecting my Hud should be there but... clearly that isn't the case since my pip boy is... well, Theres no menu to navigate through. 

[Leelok]

OKay, so, UPDATE. I finally figured out what... was hiding my pipboy UI? 

I guess it was just cause it was at 0-0-0 in colors or something?. Both in Fallout.ini and fallloutcustoms. 

I... Uuuugh... Its completely clear IN my power armor. Now, I just need to... hope that this was ALSO what was completely hiding it when I get out of my power armor?

Cause I also had -that- bug.. But otherwise, That is the only thing LEFT to iron out. Finallyyyyyy... Geeezuuuuus... I wish those memes of 'Spending time modding versus playing the game' wasn't frigging real cause... maaaan... this literally is an example of that meme.. 

Edit: Yep... I can see my hud outside of my Pipboy... I think we're... good now. Everything is fixed. At least, for now. 

So I wanted to thank Kannz, Deff. and subaverage for helping me~<3333. 

Genuinely. I hope y'all spent some really nice christmas. Thank you for giving me the resources to figure it out myself. 

Finally, after slowly adding the mods and seeing if nothing breaks, I'Ll finally be able to play until a lightbulb lights up and I go "Oh yea, I should probably add a mod that does xyz" and spend more time debugging modding... 

Y'all take care and thank you so very much for y'alls help and company.

Edited December 27, 2025 by Leelok

[kannz]

4 hours ago, Leelok said:

OKay, so, UPDATE. I finally figured out what... was hiding my pipboy UI? 

I guess it was just cause it was at 0-0-0 in colors or something?. Both in Fallout.ini and fallloutcustoms. 

I... Uuuugh... Its completely clear IN my power armor. Now, I just need to... hope that this was ALSO what was completely hiding it when I get out of my power armor?

Cause I also had -that- bug.. But otherwise, That is the only thing LEFT to iron out. Finallyyyyyy... Geeezuuuuus... I wish those memes of 'Spending time modding versus playing the game' wasn't frigging real cause... maaaan... this literally is an example of that meme.. 

Edit: Yep... I can see my hud outside of my Pipboy... I think we're... good now. Everything is fixed. At least, for now. 

So I wanted to thank Kannz, Deff. and subaverage for helping me~<3333. 

Genuinely. I hope y'all spent some really nice christmas. Thank you for giving me the resources to figure it out myself. 

Finally, after slowly adding the mods and seeing if nothing breaks, I'Ll finally be able to play until a lightbulb lights up and I go "Oh yea, I should probably add a mod that does xyz" and spend more time debugging modding... 

Y'all take care and thank you so very much for y'alls help and company.

cool good luck. also i found another good guide.