firebinder Posted September 1, 2025 Posted September 1, 2025 Okay my poor character is getting attacked by the Thalmor - before she has done anything to them. So I tried starting a new game - and again the first Thalmor she saw attacked her on sight. Now obviously one of my recently added or updated mods has done this - but I have a LOT of mods and I am not sure exactly when it happened. My first thought was to use SSEEdit to track down which mods made changes to the Thalmor actors or to their factions, but I didn't find any. I also tried disabling plugins for the likely suspects, but again no luck. I would guess that this behavior is being introduced by a script but I have no idea which one. Before I resort to wholesale mod uninstalling I thought I'd ask here if anyone had an idea which mod might be responsible. My load order is here (as I said, there are a LOT): Spoiler [ 0] Skyrim.esm [ 1] Update.esm [ 2] Dawnguard.esm [ 3] HearthFires.esm [ 4] Dragonborn.esm [ 5] ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm [ 6] ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm [ 7] RSkyrimChildren.esm [ 8] unofficial skyrim special edition patch.esp [ 9] ETaC - RESOURCES.esm [ A] SexLab.esm [ B] 3DNPC.esp [ C] Enhanced Solitude SSE.esp [ D] RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm [ E] AnnaNPCs.esp [ F] Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esm [10] ZaZAnimationPack.esm [11] SexLabAroused.esm [12] Devious Devices - Assets.esm [13] Devious Devices - Integration.esm [14] Devious Devices - Expansion.esm [15] Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm [16] SkyrimChainBeasts.esm [17] Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm [18] PamaFurnitureScr.esp [19] AnimatedCarriage.esm [1A] FISS.esp [1B] Simplycirclets.esm [1C] PamaPrisonAlternative.esm [1D] ApachiiHair.esm [1E] Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm [1F] SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp [20] Immersive Wenches.esp [21] !Beefcake Adventurers.esp [22] EnhancedLightsandFX.esp [23] Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp [24] Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp [25] ImprovedRoads.esp [26] cutting room floor.esp [27] OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp [28] AI Overhaul.esp [29] Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp [2A] SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp [2B] DealingwithDaedra.esp [2C] BecomeABard.esp [2D] BardsRebornStudentofSong.esp [2E] SkyrimChainBeastsIntegration.esp [2F] EVGATAIO.esp [30] Immersive Encounters.esp [31] CaptiveFollowers.esp [32] Inns and Taverns.esp [33] SexLab-Stories.esp [34] Settlements Expanded SE.esp [35] Draugr Upgrades and Improvements.esp [36] WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp [37] Thieves Guild Requirements.esp [38] DFB - Random Encounters.esp [39] DIS_Replacer.esp [3A] Holidays.esp [3B] DealingwithSexualDaedra.esp [3C] Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp [3D] Immersive Music.esp [3E] SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp [3F] Project Immersion.esp [40] Better Vampire NPCs.esp [41] Combat Evolved.esp [42] Ultimate Knock Down System - Race.esp [43] SexLab_Dialogues.esp [44] SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp [45] Better Harvesting.esp [46] sanguinesDebauchery.esp [47] WhiterunMarket.esp [48] JKs Whiterun.esp [49] Solitude Docks.esp [4A] CornersOfSkyrim.esp [4B] SIC - Skytest Integration.esp [4C] Drink Eat Sleep.esp [4D] UstengravRevisited.esp [4E] zDeadlyPleasures.esp [4F] OldHroldanVillage.esp [50] ArteFake.esp [51] MinorTownsExpanded.esp [52] Laura's Bondage Shop.esp [53] SimplyCircletsDistro.esp [54] Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp [55] BrandingDeviceOfDoom.esp [56] A Perilous Inn.esp [57] 3DNPC Don't Call Me Dragonborn.esp [58] OCharacters.esp [59] Devious Cidhna.esp [5A] PowerAtkPlus.esp [5B] Crossroads Inn.esp [5C] FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp [5D] DealingwithBackstories.esp [5E] SexLab Approach.esp [5F] Mimics.esp [60] LIAT - Sounds.esp [61] PaPunishmentPack1.esp [62] SimpleSlavery.esp [63] properrobeenchants.esp [64] EmbershardMineRevisited.esp [65] SkyrimChainBeastsDB.esp [66] notice board.esp [67] SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp [68] Missives.esp [69] LoreFriendlySpells.esp [6A] ColorMage.esp [6B] Time Passes.esp [6C] Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp [6D] TimingIsEverything.esp [6E] TheTrappingsOfFate.esp [6F] Settlements Expanded SE - Inns and Taverns AIO Patch.esp [70] SkyrimsGotTalent-Bards.esp [71] submissivelola_est.esp [72] CaptivePlayer.esp [73] OrkishBountyHunters.esp [74] Arachnophobia.esp [75] TheForbiddenTome.esp [76] cfl_LolaAddon.esp [77] Cooking in Inns.esp [78] LIAT - NPCs.esp [79] TaberuAnimation.esp [7A] BPAnims.esp [7B] SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp [7C] Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp [7D] TKDodge.esp [7E] Estate Agent.esp [7F] RohZima_AnimObjects.esp [80] Arnold Schwarzenegger.esp [81] HearthfireBathsAll.esp [82] mcCampingLite.esp [83] bm_SimpleAction.esp [84] Wildcat - 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