Borons modding ideas, current early NPC Quest WiP

[nutluck]

 

First thanks for the long detailed post, you have some very good points.

I liked though that you could die from rape in FONV wear&tear, unfortunately afaik there were too few real bad routes you could go, Sexout player slave is in a bit too early stage imho. In Skyrim the trouble you can get into is already much harsher especially with Submit, SD+, Defeat and the Devious Devices mods.

But if i manage to make the mod i will eventually add a hardcore toggle, where you get permanent health/magicka/stamina loss until you fully recover for a couple of days/weeks and add a less lethal normal mode. 

 

Your wear&tear examples are very much like i want to do it too.

 

No problem and this is a mod I would really like to see in Skyrim which is why i had such a long post about it.

 

I do agree about the slow recovering from the effects I listed in my first post. Like each day you lower one stage. Though there should be a toggle for people who like it less hard core. I mean making it tough is good but only to a point.

 

Or perhaps have it be on a slider would be a better option. Let people set it from as low as 1 skyrim hour up to 5 skyrim days. Then people can customize it to suit their taste on how long the debuffs lasted.

 

 

I'm quite sure this won't happen here because of the different mechanics. Has been a few months i last played FONV, so my memory might not be accurate though. But iirc you did not regenerate health and usually started the gangrape with low health since you probably set the rape threshhold to something like 30 or 50% of your health.

Here i plan to remove the health from your maximum health points, not your current ones. So you might surrender with 30 of 300 health points, but you will only die once your full 300 total health points are gone.

 

Yeah I tired it even at 70% health and died if it was a large enough gang bang, so much so I eventually stopped using the mod. It kinda defeated the point for me, since it was less about wear and tear and more about being screwed to death.

 

Not sure if you could code it by maybe each sex act woudl remove 10% of the remaining health. So to use your example. A PC with 30 health left gets screwed once and drops to 27 health, if they got screwed 5 times it would drop to 30 - 27 - 24 - 22 -20 - 18. This would allow the mod to do damage but make it all but impossible to kill the character.

 

 

Something like this sounds great, movement reduction is too harsh i think, you already get slowed down immensely through RND, SD+ and DD's, but i like especially the reduced speech/barter skill and reduced mana/stamina regeneration.

My absolute dream would be if i could add some radiant reactions like that 90% of the NPCs take advantage of your situation in subtle ways, but this is probably far beyond my skill.

But imho it would be cool that if you manage to enter a town having barely survived suddenly the merchants say something like "Sorry, i'm almost completely sold out, and those last two healing potions are already reserved for someone, so i can only sell them to you if you pay triple the normal price" or the innkeeper says "we're closed out, i can only offer you to sleep in the junk room, but you have to pay the same price as for the luxury suite, otherwise i'll get trouble with my other customers/the guards" etc..

 

Then I would say leave the movement reduction as option that can be toggled on or off. I say this cause not everyone uses those other mods. Like me and I like the idea of this slowing you down, since it makes sense to me, if those parts of your body are sore then running is going to hurt and slow you down. Plus I don't use those other mods so this would be the only mod that would effect my character movement from sex.

 

But mostly I just feel the movement reduction would add a lot of immersion since it makes sense.

 

[xboronx]

Foxyvixen21 is already working on a Wear&Tear implementation for Skyrim, so i am trying a secret project now.

[gaggedgirl123]

A "secret" project heh? Curious to learn what it is haha

[xboronx]

Ok, the problem is i don't want to spoil anything, but the idea would be to add quests with some existing npcs which might lead to sexual encounters, but you will have to work for that, and some npcs might have very unusual fantasies. Hopefully i'll manage to also give some NPCs a rather active feel where they approach you instead the other way round.

The idea is to fill the gap between real romance like in spouses enchanced and prostitution and rape.

 

But i see two issues:

-i don't plan to randomise much, so those will be quests you likely try once and then you saw them, and if i give examples the discovery part is spoilt

-with existing npcs probably players have their own conceptions in mind and might be turned off if i make a story about npc abcd with a personality they find unfitting for this npc

 

The advantages with using existing npcs would be though that i don't have to make them, leading to less requirements and mod dependancies (i would probably make npcs with at least apachi hair and some kind of body, but they would look different then in other bodies then, clothing issues etc etc.) and making some existing npcs more interesting isn't a bad thing either i think.

 

And it will be for masochistic players mainly.

 

[gaggedgirl123]

Oh, I understand what you mean. I think this is a pretty good idea, though. Most people act very differently in bed than they do in the rest of their lives. As an example, usually I'm someone who takes life by the horns and always get what I want through sheer force of will. When it comes to sex, it doesn't feel right to me if I'm not ordered around, objectified, and humiliated. So, yeah, in that sense, I think it will fit.

 

As a way to keep quests interresting after a playthrough, maybe branch out several options? I dunno, might not make sense with what you planned though. 

 

And, believe me, there is a HUGE advantage to making a linear story over a dynamic one: you can make it MUCH more personal. Also, you can make a much better storytelling experience, by adding trigger that might not have been used in more dynamic scenarios.

[xboronx]

Oh, I understand what you mean. I think this is a pretty good idea, though. Most people act very differently in bed than they do in the rest of their lives. As an example, usually I'm someone who takes life by the horns and always get what I want through sheer force of will. When it comes to sex, it doesn't feel right to me if I'm not ordered around, objectified, and humiliated. So, yeah, in that sense, I think it will fit.

That's an interesting point of view. Is this only a personal statement or also confirmed through psychological studies? I personally prefer switching and enjoy both sides in RL but with a stronger tendency to the masochistic side, but i think from the sadist side this statement is dangerous.

Because it imho implies somewhat that a sadist is a loser and has to compensate then, so is in some way mentally sick.

I usually only view everything from a hedonistic point of view with minimal morals (meaning everything is allowed as long as i do not harm somebody else against his will and trying to maximize my personal happyness), so for me you act very coherently and not really differently with your description in a good way.

 

But for Skyrim this is interesting, making some NPCs act very differently from their normal appearance is a good idea. In Skyrim i'm almost 100% masochistic because there you can play extreme fantasies (wish you had a restart option in RL too when you die ) and i find those simply arousing. Suffering with your virtual character and wondering if he/she will survive or not is thrilling. And the combination of combat, violence, sex and death in Skyrim is just great. Still hoping for a virtual reality during my lifetime though, since i would love to experience that at a greater scale like empire vs. empire or mankind vs. aliens. 

 

 

As a way to keep quests interresting after a playthrough, maybe branch out several options? I dunno, might not make sense with what you planned though. 

 

And, believe me, there is a HUGE advantage to making a linear story over a dynamic one: you can make it MUCH more personal. Also, you can make a much better storytelling experience, by adding trigger that might not have been used in more dynamic scenarios.

 

The intention was to make some quests rather long, maybe with branching, but at least with multiple stages and pauses. So far i haven't planned any bad ends or too dangerous, but that might change.

 

Currently i'm planning to make bigger stories for those NPCs:

-Ysolda

-Ingun Black Briar

-Siddgeir

 

[gaggedgirl123]

No, it's not confirmed. And I didn'T mean that most people act like the opposite of their tendency. I might have worded that poorly in fact. I just meant that it's mostly independant, although things like values and experiences might change things. I got into bondage because I actually came watching some poorly made Damsel in Distress clip, before even being interrested into sex. A bit personnal, I admit, but hey, I'm very open about this, and besides my name isn't on here.

 

So of course what I associate with an orgasm has been distorted a little bit by that. Pretty sure if I hadn't watched that movie on that specific day, I wouldn't be the masochistic, perverse, punishment-craving bitch I am today! and I mean that in a good way!

[nutluck]

It is confirmed to a point and not just about sex. But most people wear masks so to speak. The act certain ways in public, either from a desire to fit in, a desire to be seen a certain way, a way to manipulate others etc. We all have secrets and that's why usually only our closest friends and maybe family really understand us.

 

I mean how many times have you heard people talk about someone else who was caught doing something and are surprised the person did it?

 

Of course there are some people who are on the surface exactly how they are, but most people have many layers to their personality that they don't show to the majority of the people.

 

When it comes to taking charge in sex it is not that uncommon for people to be at least to a point different than they act. Not everyone of course, but someone who is always in charge and always has the pressure of leadership might enjoy being submissive in the bedroom as a change of pace and a way to relax. Same with someone who is never in charge might like be the Dom etc.

 

My only point is when someone is very different in private than public is not surprising. It would only be surprising if everyone was. If that makes sense.

 

Hopefully this all makes sense, have a minor cold and high on cold medicine right now. It makes sense to me at the moment at least.

[gaggedgirl123]

Don't worry, it makes perfect sense lol.

 

I'm so focused on being as honest as I can be about who I am, I forgot not everyone does it

[xboronx]

It's similiar for me, as innocent kid i always loved when we played a special version of catching where a small group of childs tried to catch one and tie it up. We used a way too thick rope, so it rarely worked, but that was the start. Then with 14 or 15 when i started to get interested in sex i accidently discovered some bdsm porn in the internet and knew how my liking was called and live it out happily since then. But i live in a very conservative catholic country, so i had a few slightly negative expieriences too, like when my schoolfriends once searched my pc for porn while i was briefly away. We stayed friends of course, but they never talked about sex afterwards like you normally do occasionally with friends.

 

 

I did also some poor wording i think, but i'm also a bit interested in psychology and i often wonder about extremes, and in this special case about the border when sadism starts to be dangerous. Because a sick sadist is dangerous for society. If a masochist is too masochistic, worst thing that might happen is that he kills himself accidently.

 

Maybe i'm simply a bit too moral, but i only mean the real extreme examples. Surprisingly with many of those your statement seems to fit somehow. This is especially interesting with the Nazis, Himmler for example was a very strange sadist with lots of complexes. And he tried to hide his sadism, for example there was the order that SS-Guards shall not enjoy torturing and those who did could be charged and dismissed. Heydrich is similiar.

The Soviets didn't have this ambivalent attitude as much.

 

The above isn't really offtopic, because i wonder if this would be a good idea for Siddgeir. I'm currently leaning towards using Nikolai Yezhov as inspiration source for him.

 

Ysolda will be (hopefully) cutely mean, Ingun weird and Siddgeir a lazy sadistic.

 

[gaggedgirl123]

Well I'm honestly morei ntrigues about the Igmun branch, but that's mostly because anytime someone says "weird", my brain automatically thinks "possible turn-on"

 

But honestly, I think this whole idea is very interresting and deserves to be realized. I'm already eager to try it out

[nutluck]

As for things going to far that is always possible and like all things. Anything taken to excess whether it is drinking, drugs, sexual sadism etc typically is bad. Things are typically far better in moderation. When taken to extremes all to often things become a obsession which is a dangerous road to go down.

 

I have meet and had relationships with people that in the bedroom are polar opposite than how they act in public and then ones that are pretty much exactly the same and how you would expect them to be by their public actions. The truth is the vast majority of people in my personal experience and from talking to others is people fall somewhere in the middle. Some lean more towards being very different and some lean towards being very similar but the majority are somewhere in the middle.

 

A example of a real person I knew. There was this female cop, she seemed very straight laced on the surface, was Japanese to boot and had that very conservative aspect to her most people would expect from that. She also had a special hatred for rapist, not really a surprise. But in private with people she trusted she could open up and show her secret side. She had a huge rape fantasy when it came to sex. I mean to the level of not just role playing it out, but she actually wanted her lovers to pretend to break into her house and grab her unaware. Basically play it out to the level it likely actually happens.

 

It was a bit hard for me to wrap my head around that, since it was just so different than what you would expect from her. Anyways she was the most extreme example of people different in private than in public.

 

A more common example, a girl who like most get annoyed at being called derogative words to their gender. During sex though she liked being called names and "lightly" slapped in the face.

 

So feel free to make the NPC's really different from how they might seem, just try and mix it up. So some are kinda what you would expect. some completely different and most falling inbetween.

[xboronx]

Well I'm honestly morei ntrigues about the Igmun branch, but that's mostly because anytime someone says "weird", my brain automatically thinks "possible turn-on"

 

But honestly, I think this whole idea is very interresting and deserves to be realized. I'm already eager to try it out

 

I will copy your organization idea though and start with Ysolda. I'm way more chaotic, so i might later add stuff to Ysolda, but she will be the first one. If i don't run into too many barriers and the encounter gets close to what i plan i'm very curious though how she will be reviewed.

 

 

As for things going to far that is always possible and like all things. Anything taken to excess whether it is drinking, drugs, sexual sadism etc typically is bad. Things are typically far better in moderation. When taken to extremes all to often things become a obsession which is a dangerous road to go down.

 

 

Very wise words. The problem is just the selective perception, when i really think about some experiences your words are just too true, but you too easily forget the bad things and overglorify the good things in nostalgia. And there is the trap that you might think if you can live your obsession you will be even happier then when doing it in moderation.

Thanks for those interesting last two posts of yours again, i will just comment this part because with the others i have little to add.

 

 

 

A example of a real person I knew. There was this female cop, she seemed very straight laced on the surface, was Japanese to boot and had that very conservative aspect to her most people would expect from that. She also had a special hatred for rapist, not really a surprise. But in private with people she trusted she could open up and show her secret side. She had a huge rape fantasy when it came to sex. I mean to the level of not just role playing it out, but she actually wanted her lovers to pretend to break into her house and grab her unaware. Basically play it out to the level it likely actually happens.

 

 

Unfortunately in my country there are only like 30000 japanese and i know none, only quite a few other asians, mainly chinese, but aren't the japanese one of the most liberal nations in the world regarding sex and in some areas too? They are ambivalent, in other areas they are said to be extremely conservative.

For example they have their hentai game industry no other country has and then there is the japanese porn which has many genres i don't see in porn from other countries. And finally many trends like cosplay which come from japan.

And fetish references are even in harmless animes or japanese games, like i laughed at those jokes in the playstation game hyperdimension neptunia, where neptune said "i like those bondages you put on me" and compa blushed and said "BANDAGES, NOT BONDAGES".

So i am not so surprised. Yeah this is generalizing way too much, but imho currently the japanese are the weirdest nation in the world, meaning this in a positive way.

 

 

[nutluck]

Yes Japanese in my experience seem to be in some ways very liberal and in other ways very conservative. She was just really conservative on top of that. She was just one of those people if you meet would never ever expect her likes to run to such extremes.

[gaggedgirl123]

Well that's one thing that doesn't change on me: I'm ALWAYS open-minded. I'll try anything once as long as it doesn'T hurt anyone in a bad way

[xboronx]

Ah well at least the first progress is done, though it is like 0,01%. But eventually it will change and i won't spend 95% of the time reading tutorials/faqs/trial+error hopefully

[gaggedgirl123]

Well I have good and bad news for you

 

The good news is that you WILL get faster, and take experience

 

The bad news is that scripting in and of itself is a process of trial and error. Even when your script fits all the rules and compiles perfectly, sometimes it just doesn't work anyways

[xboronx]

One question, might save me a lot of testing in vain:

Is there an easy way to check if you can "abuse" an animation for a creature it wasn't meant for? In this special case i would like to try to use one of the wolf licking animations for a cat or maybe some of the sabrecat animations.

[gaggedgirl123]

Honestly I haven't delved into any animations yet, I'm actually going to script my first anim into HID sometime this week, but my guess would be that you can'T unless you actually "hack" the skeleton, which would simply mean copying it manually. by re-making it by eye, frame by frame, to the skeleton you want to use your animation.

 

The reason for that is that the number of "bones" is each skeleton's limbs isn't always the same, and this also changes their references a bit. Basically it would either try to load data that isn't there, making Skyrim crash, or move only certain "bones", resulting is some WEIRD clipping effects.

[Zitanna]

This sounds really cool!