breasts effected by cbbe physics stretch when the character moves

[big smoke9]

as you can see here, when the model is in any position that isn't standing, the mesh will stretch like this.

i am using CBBE, body talk v3, zex - zaz extended skeleton and AFF, is it because some of these mods conflict?

can provide load order if needed

Edited February 6, 2025 by big smoke9
more specific in the title

[big smoke9]

ive also figured out it only happens when she is naked and clothes like standalone boots will stop it from happening

[Erebea]

The zex - zaz extended skeleton is for fusion girl and body talk. For cbbe and body talk you'll need Skeletal Adjustments for CBBE and Discrete Female Skeleton.

[big smoke9]

4 hours ago, Erebea said:

The zex - zaz extended skeleton is for fusion girl and body talk. For cbbe and body talk you'll need Skeletal Adjustments for CBBE and Discrete Female Skeleton.

oh thank you i didnt know that. i do have those mods you suggested for cbbe installed

do you know if theres a way to only have the zaz skeleton apply to men or is there another skeleton i can use for body talk?

 

[Erebea]

24 minutes ago, big smoke9 said:

oh thank you i didnt know that. i do have those mods you suggested for cbbe installed

do you know if theres a way to only have the zaz skeleton apply to men or is there another skeleton i can use for body talk?

 

There is, once you've downloaded discrete female skeleton. Open the archive and you'll see there is a folder for male and female skeleltons. Once you've extracted the files, in the female folder add the skeleton from skeletal adjustments for cbbe. In the male folder add the skeleton from zex-zaz. Then install everything from discrete female skeleton (including the skeleton files you've added) like you would any other mod.

 

Hopefully then everything will work as it should.

[big smoke9]

47 minutes ago, Erebea said:

There is, once you've downloaded discrete female skeleton. Open the archive and you'll see there is a folder for male and female skeleltons. Once you've extracted the files, in the female folder add the skeleton from skeletal adjustments for cbbe. In the male folder add the skeleton from zex-zaz. Then install everything from discrete female skeleton (including the skeleton files you've added) like you would any other mod.

 

Hopefully then everything will work as it should.

when i opened the folder for discrete female skeleton i didnt see a folder for a male skeleton so i made one and copy and pasted the skeleton files i found in zex and put the files from skeletal adjustments into the female folder which was already there and then zipped the folder again and installed it through vortex.
sadly it didn't work.

i included the screenshots of both the female folder with the skeletal adjustments skeleton and the male folder which i made with the zex skeleton files, can you see if i've done it wrong somehow?

https://imgur.com/a/nJqzDAz

 

 

Edited February 7, 2025 by big smoke9

[Erebea]

Yeah, that was my mistake - I should have said just install zex-zaz skeleton normally.

 

I can see what you've done wrong with the female skeleton. You are meant to pick one of the skeleton files, and then rename the one you want so it is called skeleton.nif. The mod page does describe the differences between them.

[big smoke9]

1 hour ago, Erebea said:

Yeah, that was my mistake - I should have said just install zex-zaz skeleton normally.

 

I can see what you've done wrong with the female skeleton. You are meant to pick one of the skeleton files, and then rename the one you want so it is called skeleton.nif. The mod page does describe the differences between them.

i installed zex by itself and removed the folder for male skeletons as well as getting rid of all of the female skeletons i added except one and renamed it to skeleton.nif and unfortunately the issue is still persisting

https://imgur.com/a/R73Zxv9

[Erebea]

Then I'd like to see your load order as it isn't working.

[big smoke9]

6 minutes ago, Erebea said:

Then I'd like to see your load order as it isn't working.

sure here it is 

  0  0     Fallout4.esm
  1  1     DLCRobot.esm
  2  2     DLCworkshop01.esm
  3  3     DLCCoast.esm
  4  4     DLCworkshop02.esm
  5  5     DLCworkshop03.esm
  6  6     DLCNukaWorld.esm
  7  7     DLCUltraHighResolution.esm
254 FE   0 ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl
254 FE   1 ccbgsfo4019-chinesestealtharmor.esl
254 FE   2 ccBGSFO4044-HellfirePowerArmor.esl
254 FE   3 ccfsvfo4002-midcenturymodern.esl
254 FE   4 cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl
254 FE   5 ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl
254 FE   6 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl
254 FE   7 ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl
254 FE   8 ccBGSFO4115-X02.esl
254 FE   9 ccBGSFO4116-HeavyFlamer.esl
254 FE   a ccBGSFO4110-WS_Enclave.esl
254 FE   b ccBGSFO4096-AS_Enclave.esl
254 FE   c ccacxfo4001-vsuit.esl
254 FE   d ccFSVFO4007-Halloween.esl
254 FE   e ccBGSFO4046-TesCan.esl
254 FE   f ccSBJFO4003-Grenade.esl
254 FE  10 ccOTMFO4001-Remnants.esl
  8  8     unofficial fallout 4 patch.esp
  9  9     ArmorKeywords.esm
254 FE  11 Bememoth Separated Cart.esl
254 FE  12 BodyTalk3-RaiderNormalsFix.esl
254 FE  13 TRX_St_VaultGirl.esl
 10  a     TacticalReload.esm
254 FE  14 IceStormsPantyhose.esl
254 FE  15 IceStormsShoeSounds.esl
254 FE  16 IceStormsStilettoHighHeelBoots.esl
254 FE  17 IceStormsHorseBoots.esl
254 FE  18 IceStormsGothBoots.esl
 11  b     AAF.esm
 12  c     unlockedsettlementobjects.esm
 13  d     TortureDevices.esm
 14  e     Devious Devices.esm
 15  f     KziitdFetishToolset.esm
254 FE  1c Munitions - An Ammo Expansion.esl
254 FE  1d Munitions - Vanilla Ammo Addon.esl
 16 10     DamnApocalypse_CORE.esm
254 FE  1e Reduced Rubble (ESL version).esl
 17 11     Servitron.esm
254 FE  1f AAFThemes.esl
 18 12     PIP-Pad.esp
 19 13     Deathclaw_nude.esp
 20 14     Vioxsis_Strap-Ons.esp
 21 15     AAF_Four-Play_Animations_Crazy6987.esp
254 FE  20 Behemoth No Cart.esp
 22 16     ErectionFix_SilverPerv.esp
 23 17     ZaZOut4.esp
 24 18     Crazy_Animation_Rugs.esp
 25 19     Raider Gang Extended NPC (Fixed & Cleaned).esp
 26 1a     UpToNoGood.esp
 27 1b     StartMeUp.esp
 28 1c     CombinedArmsNV.esp
 29 1d     CombinedArmsEXPack.esp
 30 1e     Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
254 FE  21 PenPos.esp
254 FE  22 SMBehemoth Loincloth.esp
 33 21     UAP Moans.esp
254 FE  23 Zaz Particle Effects.esp
 34 22     FPAttributes.esp
 35 23     AAF_Violate.esp
 36 24     FO4_AnimationsByLeito.esp
 37 25     FEAR.esp
 38 26     EasternOperator.esp
 39 27     AltynHelmet.esp
254 FE  24 Altyn Helmet - Retro Tactical Headgear_ArmorLLI.esp
 40 28     RussianAssaultPack.esp
 41 29     PKMnv.esp
254 FE  25 Nova Uniques Combined Arms.esp
 42 2a     F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
254 FE  26 PKM Uniques ESP.esp
254 FE  27 M50_Madsen.esp
 43 2b     InoueKinkKollarsV2.esp
 44 2c     FN502.esp
 45 2d     Diagle.esp
 46 2e     FNX45.esp
 47 2f     AKMnv.esp
 48 30     Mosin.esp
254 FE  28 Mosin Unique Scripted.esp
 49 31     ASH127.esp
254 FE  29 Ash12.7 Battle Rifle_LLInjector.esp
254 FE  2a Combined Arms EX_LLI.esp
254 FE  2b Combined Arms_LLI.esp
254 FE  2c FN502_LLI.esp
 50 32     fn five-seven v3.0.esp
254 FE  2d FiveSeven_LLInjector.esp
 51 33     halffacemask.esp
254 FE  2e HalfMask_ArmorLLI.esp
 52 34     Metro Gas Masks.esp
254 FE  2f MetroMasks_ArmorLLI.esp
 53 35     Military Gorka Suit.esp
254 FE  30 MilitaryGorkaSuit_ArmorLLI.esp
 54 36     P90.esp
254 FE  31 P90_LLInjector.esp
254 FE  32 PKM_LLI.esp
 55 37     Nexus_PMC.esp
 56 38     PMC_extended.esp
 57 39     Private Military Company_PMC Extended_LLI.esp
           S and W_Pack_LLInjector.esp
254 FE  33 ServiceRifle_LLInjector.esp
 58 3a     RaiderQueensLegendaryFaceRevamps.esp
 59 3b     P90NPC.esp
 60 3c     Reload Sounds.esp
254 FE  34 FN502_TR.esp
254 FE  35 DV_CZ_Micro.esp
254 FE  36 M50_Madsen_TacReload.esp
254 FE  37 M50_Madsen_Munitions.esp
254 FE  38 M50_Madsen_TacReload_Munitions.esp
254 FE  39 WTrifle.esp
 61 3d     Animated Drinking.esp
 62 3e     C17 Combine Units.esp
254 FE  3a AAF_SCRS.esp
254 FE  3b MWR_SAS.esp
254 FE  3c HOONAVS.esp
 64 40     AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
 65 41     AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp
 66 42     Armorsmith Extended.esp
 67 43     AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp
 68 44     tao_catsuit.esp
254 FE  3d tao_expanded.esp
 69 45     HHFootsteps.esp
 70 46     tao_expanded_heels_sound.esp
254 FE  3e FO4HHS_AAF.esp
 71 47     tao_catsuit_awkcr.esp
254 FE  3f DiverseBodies.esp
254 FE  40 DiscreteFemaleSkeleton.esp
           PIP-Pad_LMCC.esp
254 FE  41 KziitdFetishToolset_DD_Compatibility.esp
 73 49     TatsAfterRape.esp
 74 4a     SlaveTattoos.esp
 75 4b     bTankTop.esp
 76 4c     TheKite_CaitSet.esp
 77 4d     TheKite_Caitset_ReplacerAddon.esp
 78 4e     TheKite_VTS.esp
 79 4f     TheKite_VTS_Replacer.esp
 80 50     KSHairsFemsheppingRadbeetle.esp
254 FE  42 SignalisReplikaTintAPI.esp
 81 51     The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
 82 52     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
 83 53     Obi's Vault Suit.esp
 84 54     Scopes.esp
 85 55     Calamity Weathers.esp
 86 56     P.L.U.N.D.E.R.esp
254 FE  43 StartMeUpShaunDefaultAppearance.esp
254 FE  44 Conversions.esp
 87 57     LooksMenu.esp
 88 58     CBBE.esp
 90 5a     Commonwealth Captives.esp
 91 5b     CRX.esp
 92 5c     Dronesuit.esp
 93 5d     Headcrab_Bunny.esp
 94 5e     FrenchMaidFO4-CBBE.esp
 97 61     opposerhotkeys.esp
 98 62     Mutated Lust.esp
 99 63     RZPoser.esp
101 65     StartMeUpNukaWorldPatch.esp
 

[Erebea]

Comparing it to my own load order, I think you should have the mods in this order:

 

CBBE.esp
PIP-Pad.esp

LooksMenu.esp

DiscreteFemaleSkeleton.esp

 

You'll probably have to start a new save as well.

 

I can see that you have the creation club from the next-gen update. If you haven't downgraded the game, have you updated all your mods to the most up-to date versions?

[big smoke9]

i have only installed these mods a few days ago so i made sure to install the most current visions and also went into the plugins section and made 

CBBE.esp
PIP-Pad.esp

LooksMenu.esp

DiscreteFemaleSkeleton.esp

 

all load after each other and i have started a new game and the breasts are still stretching when not in the standing position 

 

is there perhaps a cbbe alternative to bodytalk?

 

edit: after disabling body talk and zex skeleton the issue is still happening so it might be something else

Edited February 7, 2025 by big smoke9

[Erebea]

When building the cbbe body in bodyslide, you did pick the non-physics option?

 

Which physics mod are you using, and can you add the link too?

[big smoke9]

10 minutes ago, Erebea said:

When building the cbbe body in bodyslide, you did pick the non-physics option?

 

Which physics mod are you using, and can you add the link too?

yes i picked the physics option that was in bodyslide and not any other ones.

 

 

but the thing is that it was working up until yesterday as i have been on this playthrough for a few days

Edited February 7, 2025 by big smoke9

[Erebea]

If you are using ocbpc, you need to pick the non-physics option as they do the same thing. Is that the physics you are using?

 

Again, what version of Fallout 4 are you using? 1.10.980 - which is next gen or 1.10.163 - the previous version from 2018?

[big smoke9]

10 minutes ago, Erebea said:

If you are using ocbpc, you need to pick the non-physics option as they do the same thing. Is that the physics you are using?

 

Again, what version of Fallout 4 are you using? 1.10.980 - which is next gen or 1.10.163 - the previous version from 2018?

i am using 1.10.984 which i think is the newest version. when i was using the body slide tool i saw a cbbe body that was called CBBE physics and i chose to build that over the regular cbbe body option that was next to it. i think this is a physics option that is built into cbbe because i didnt install any physics mods before this

i will try using ocbpc

[Erebea]

1.10.984 is going to be a problem, as ocbpc hasn't been updated for next-gen, I'd say you'd be better off downgrading to 1.10.163 using one of the downgraders from the nexus. That does mean you'll have to install older versions of some of your mods like f4se, looksmenu etc.

 

You are right cbbe physics does have built in physics, which makes incompatible with ocbpc. You will have to build the regular cbbe body when using ocbpc.

[big smoke9]

53 minutes ago, Erebea said:

1.10.984 is going to be a problem, as ocbpc hasn't been updated for next-gen, I'd say you'd be better off downgrading to 1.10.163 using one of the downgraders from the nexus. That does mean you'll have to install older versions of some of your mods like f4se, looksmenu etc.

 

You are right cbbe physics does have built in physics, which makes incompatible with ocbpc. You will have to build the regular cbbe body when using ocbpc.

thanks, i will try downgrading tomorrow

[TheRegvlator]

I'm facing the same issue, on a downgraded version and with everything (apparently) installed correctly. Would appreciate a help too =/