plutocene Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 (edited) Hi folks, encountered a really strange bug, during the initial meeting with Harkon, he disappears when he transforms. Reloading a save from the cell T-Poses the npcs suddenly. So my best guess is its an animation related issue. I could not find any info on this issue anywhere, suggestions please? 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Ryn's Alvor's House patch.esp 254 FE 500 Lux - Arthmoor's Dawnstar patch.esp 254 FE 501 Lux - Arthmoor's Falkreath patch.esp 254 FE 502 Lux - Bards Reborn patch.esp 254 FE 503 Lux - Bittercup Patch.esp 254 FE 504 Lux - Brittleshin patch.esp 254 FE 505 Lux - JK's Understone Keep patch.esp 254 FE 506 Lux - RWT Patch.esp 254 FE 507 Lux - CC Fish patch.esp 254 FE 508 Lux - Cuting Room Floor.esp 254 FE 509 Lux - Daedric Shrines AiO Patch.esp 254 FE 50a Lux - Dead Mans Dread Patch.esp 254 FE 50b Lux - Eli Skaal Village patch.esp 254 FE 50c Lux - Elite Crossbows.esp 254 FE 50d Lux - Great Village of Shor's Stone patch.esp 254 FE 50e Lux - JK's Candlehearth Hall patch.esp 254 FE 50f Lux - USSEP patch.esp 254 FE 510 Lux - Embers XD patch.esp 254 FE 511 Lux - Enhanced Solitude patch.esp 254 FE 512 Lux - Farmer patch.esp 254 FE 513 Lux - Forgotten Seasons.esp 254 FE 514 Lux - Ghosts of the Tribunal CC.esp 254 FE 515 Lux - Goblins CC.esp 254 FE 516 Lux - Goldbrand CC.esp 254 FE 517 Lux - Graywinter Watch patch.esp 254 FE 518 Lux - 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The Great City of Rorikstead patch.esp 254 FE 557 Lux - Umbra CC.esp 254 FE 558 Lux - Vigil Enforcer CC.esp 254 FE 559 Lux - Wintersun patch.esp 254 FE 55a Lux - Ryn's Faendal's House patch.esp 254 FE 55b Lux - Ryn's Gerdur's House patch.esp 254 FE 55c Lux - Ryn's Sven's House patch.esp 254 FE 55d Ryn's Alvor's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 55e Ryn's Faendal's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 55f Ryn's Gerdur's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 560 Ryn's Sven's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 561 Environs - Riften Warehouse - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 562 Snazzy Interiors - Falkreath Dengeir's House - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 563 Snazzy Interiors - Falkreath Dengeir's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 564 Snazzy Interiors - JKs Dragonsreach - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 565 Snazzy Interiors - JKs Dragonsreach - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 566 Snazzy Interiors - JKs Palace of the Kings - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 567 Snazzy Interiors - Markarth Endon's House - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 568 HSMarkarth - Endon's House - LUX.esp 254 FE 569 Snazzy Interiors - Markarth Endon's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 56a Snazzy Interiors - Markarth Guard Tower - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 56b Snazzy Interiors - Markarth Nepos' House - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 56c Snazzy Interiors - Markarth Nepos' House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 56d Snazzy Interiors - Markarth Treasury House - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 56e Snazzy Interiors - Morthal Falion's House - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 56f Snazzy Interiors - Morthal Falion's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 570 Snazzy Interiors - Riften Black-Briar Manor - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 571 Snazzy Interiors - Riften Snow-Shod Manor - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 572 Snazzy Interiors - Riften Snow-Shod Manor - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 573 Snazzy Interiors - Solitude Bryling's House - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 574 Snazzy Interiors - Solitude Bryling's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 575 Snazzy Interiors - Solitude Erikur's House - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 576 Snazzy Interiors - Solitude Erikur's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 577 Snazzy Interiors - Solitude Vittoria Vici's House - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 578 Snazzy Interiors - Solitude Vittoria Vici's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 579 Snazzy Interiors - Whiterun House Battleborn - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 57a Snazzy Interiors - Whiterun House Gray-Mane - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 57b Snazzy Interiors - Windhelm Blacksmith - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 57c Snazzy Interiors - Windhelm Blacksmith - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 57d Snazzy Interiors - Windhelm House Clan Cruel-Sea - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 57e Snazzy Interiors - Windhelm House Clan Shattershield - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 57f Snazzy Interiors - Windhelm House Clan Shattershield - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 580 Snazzy Interiors - Windhelm Viola Giordano's House - Lux patch.esp 254 FE 581 Snazzy Interiors - Windhelm Viola Giordano's House - Sounds of Skyrim patch.esp 254 FE 582 Lux - NSUTR patch.esp 254 FE 583 Lux - Brighter Templates Dungeons only.esp 254 FE 584 Lux - Brighter interior nights.esp 254 FE 585 Lux - Even Brighter Templates Houses only.esp 254 FE 586 Lux - SLaWF patch.esp 254 FE 587 Lux - The Blackest Reaches patch.esp 254 FE 588 Lux - Riften Docks Overhaul patch.esp 254 FE 589 Socalista Soljund - Lux.esp 254 FE 58a Lux - HearthfireMultikid Patch.esp 254 FE 58b Lux - Tsatampra Xiros Patch.esp 254 FE 58c Lux - nwsFollowerFramework Patch.esp 254 FE 58d VSO_LUX Patch.esp 254 FE 58e Environs - Kolskeggr - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 58f Environs - Tundra Farmhouse - Lux Patch.esp Environs - Hroggars House - COTN Morthal - Lux Patch.esp 254 FE 590 Lux - SexLab-Parasites Patch.esp 254 FE 591 Lux - BaboInteractiveDia Patch.esp 254 FE 592 OCW_CellSettings.esp 254 FE 593 Lux - OCW College.esp 254 FE 594 Lux - Obscure College crash fix.esp 245 f5 Northbourne NPCs of Haafingar .esp 246 f6 Northbourne NPCs of Hjaalmarch.esp 247 f7 NITHI NPCS - Dawnguard DLC - Fort Dawnguard - Men.esp 254 FE 595 NITHI NPCS - Dawnguard DLC - Volkihar - Men.esp 254 FE 596 NITHI NPCS - Dawnguard DLC - Fort Dawnguard - Women.esp 254 FE 597 NITHI NPCs - Dawnguard DLC - Volkihar - Women.esp 254 FE 598 NITHI NPCS - Eastmarch - Men.esp 254 FE 599 NITHI NPCs - The Rift - Men.esp 254 FE 59a NITHI NPCs - The Reach - Men.esp 254 FE 59b NITHI NPCS - The Reach - Women.esp 254 FE 59c NITHI NPCS - Eastmarch - Women.esp 254 FE 59d NITHI NPCs - The Thieves Guild - Men.esp 254 FE 59e NITHI NPCs - The Thieves Guild - Women.esp WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp 248 f8 Bandit War.esp 254 FE 59f Bandit War - Fashions of the Banditry.esp 254 FE 5a0 Bandit War - Robbers Gorge Fixes.esp 254 FE 5a1 Infiltration QE - Bandit War Patch.esp 254 FE 5a2 Ulvenwald - The Great Village of Kynesgrove.esp 254 FE 5a3 AnukethAelaReplacer.esp 254 FE 5a4 Nyrified Falkreath - NPC Replacers AIO.esp 254 FE 5a5 Valejka_Lissete_replacer.esp 254 FE 5a6 Adah - Saadia Replacer.esp 254 FE 5a7 Synthesis.esp 254 FE 5a8 RW2Patch_Bathing_in_Skyrim.esp 254 FE 5a9 Diverse Fences BOS.esp 254 FE 5aa Elisif BM Edit.esp 254 FE 5ab Hali Nyr - Rayya Replacer.esp 254 FE 5ac MorningsDawns Illia Replacer.esp 249 f9 DynDOLOD.esp 254 FE 5ad Occlusion.esp So I managed to "fix" or at least bypass it but I do not know how. I disabled skypatcher and skytactics, since those are "new" and unfamiliar mods. Harkon stopped disappearing and the scene played out correctly. When I reenabled the plugins, it still worked. You've got to love Bethesda games. Edited October 12, 2024 by plutocene
traison Posted October 13, 2024 Posted October 13, 2024 4 hours ago, plutocene said: You've got to love Bethesda games. ...you say while using a mod that states: Quote SkyPatcher(also known as RobCo Patcher from Fallout 4), is a patcher based on SKSE and CommonLibSSE, which allows mod authors and users to modify game data without the use of plugins. This sounds exactly like something Bethesda planned for. Seriously, they (as far as I can tell) do not even acknowledge the existence of SKSE so as far as blaming Bethesda goes, that scapegoat option is invalid the second you load SKSE. Don't get me wrong though, I'd say you're doing something wrong if you're playing Skyrim in 2024 and not breaking it with mods; afterall, it is *THE* game where you spend 95% of your time modding and the remaining 5% wondering what to break mod next. Just be careful with the mods you install. Not everyone knows what they're doing; and even the ones that are masters at bending the game engine occasionally get it wrong because: 1) not everything in the game engine is known and 2) no single human is capable of wrapping their head around the entire thing - no one can say they know exactly what consequences their bytecode edits have.
plutocene Posted October 13, 2024 Author Posted October 13, 2024 18 minutes ago, traison said: This sounds exactly like something Bethesda planned for. Come on, a bit of reading between the lines... I know it all too well not only from a users perspective. I've made a mod for Fallout 4 that worked for weeks has 10K downloads and then suddenly CTDs, every time you load a specific .nif file. It is exactly as you say.
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