Plugin limit reached, what now?

[wower2345]

I've ESL-fied all the available plugins in Wrye Bash. I've tried using zMerge but it's a total mess honestly, I need to debug it even with the smallest merges. Are there any other alternatives? I know for a fact that some of my plugins should be ESL-capable with how little they add to the game but Wrye Bash is adamant about not letting me flag them. What else can I do? I can post my mod list if need be.

[wower2345]

There's not even THAT many of them, only 500. I've seen people with plugin lists in the thousands, it just seems that the arcane knowledge on how to do that is unavailable to me.

[mrnexu]

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230 SSE Engine Fixes

 

Edit the EngineFixes.toml

 

Make sure the following is set:

SaveGameMaxSize = true

MaxStdio = 8192

 

MaxStdio sets the maximum number of open file handles (default 512), preventing the game from running out with large plugin counts (fixes false save corruption)

 

[mrnexu]

I suggested 8192, but really, any power of two will help:

 

1024, 2048, 4096, 8192

Edited November 26, 2023 by mrnexu

[wower2345]

1 hour ago, mrnexu said:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230 SSE Engine Fixes

 

Edit the EngineFixes.toml

 

Make sure the following is set:

SaveGameMaxSize = true

MaxStdio = 8192

 

MaxStdio sets the maximum number of open file handles (default 512), preventing the game from running out with large plugin counts (fixes false save corruption)

 

This is now what I meant, my saves are fine, I simply cannot install more mods because the game has run out of IDs for them.

[Varithina]

10 minutes ago, wower2345 said:

This is now what I meant, my saves are fine, I simply cannot install more mods because the game has run out of IDs for them.

 

Check each mod on nexus and see if some of the have an esl/flagged esp option, sometimes wrye will not let you make one an esl but the author can, you can also try loading mods that you think should be able to be set to esl into the ck, and try that, as that will re-compile scripts and such, while flagging with wrye will not. Other than that, merging stuff is your only option, if you have multiple mods that just add keywords or such to armour or weapons or anything like that, you should be easily able to use either the xedit script or zmerge to merge them all into one esl, be aware though you may end up with too many records if you merge things to flag it as a esl.

[onen]

Try SSEEdit, you'll need a script to run in SSEEdit to check which mods can be converted to ESL.

Here is a guide.

[sfdrake]

if you have reached the item resource limit than there is very little you can do. you might have to ESM some of your larger mods in your load order.
yes that is ESM not esl or espfe

[venomr]

Open up your plugins with ssedit and use the "find esp pluigins that be turned to esl" script. It will tell you which can be made esl afer compacting form ids.

 

Also thi smod will work on most followers, even if they have custom voices. ESPFE Follower - Eslify facegen and voices at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

[wower2345]

9 hours ago, venomr said:

Open up your plugins with ssedit and use the "find esp pluigins that be turned to esl" script. It will tell you which can be made esl afer compacting form ids.

 

Also thi smod will work on most followers, even if they have custom voices. ESPFE Follower - Eslify facegen and voices at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

This seems useful, thanks

[Racihti]

Also you probably know this, but don't esl'ify mods and then continue playing an active save, you'll corrupt it for sure. Mandates making a new character if you esl'ify mods.

[Azailahab]

I used ESLify Everything to convert about 120 ESPs that required the form IDs be compacted. Before using read all the articles on the mod page, they explain the limits pretty well. You run the "find esp pluigins that be turned to esl" plugin for SSEDIT. If it identifies a mod with you will get only three types of response. 

 

1. Can be turned into ESL by adding ESL flag in TES4 header. - just flag it ESL and good to go, this is what Wyre Bash was doing for you. 

2. Can be turned into ESL by compacting FormIDs first then adding ESL flag in TES4 header. (following some simple rules you can convert most of these)

3. Can be turned into ESL by compacting FormIDs first then adding ESL flag in TES4 header. with Warning: Plugin has new CELL(s) which won't work when turned into ESL and overridden by other mods due to the game bug - Do not even try will not work correctly in 99% of cases.

 

ESLify Everything is what you would use for the ones that are identified by number 2 above.

 

Once you have identified the mods, there are a few things to check before commiting, and it would depend on your comfort level. This is from memory so I really urge you to read all the documents particularly the ESLify - For people who actually want to understand article.

 

For me the ones I avoided were any that were;

• Those identified as a master file (.ESM or .ESP flagged as a master  - in MO2 in your right hand load order master files are bolded and italicized or just italicized with the .esl extension (these are pure esl files and not what you are trying to do, you only want to flag .esp files as esl).
• I also avoided SKYUI, Racemenu.
• Some that were framework types - here it was more a comfort level thing.
• Any that had more than 2048 records.
• And I avoided any plugin that was identified as having script extender files (turn on the content tab in the left plane and filter by  'Contains Script Extender Files' - now many of these can be ESL flagged, but extra work is required to make sure and I just did not want to fuck with that.
• Also consider that even if it satisfies all the above conditions it can still not function correctly so testing will be required. I found this out with Left Hand Rings for example.

So once you have identified an esp you wish to flag as an esl, you select that esp in SSEDIT and right click choose 'compact FormIDs for ESL', it will run, when it says done switch your view and under record flags select ESL checkbox. Right click the mod again and select other followed by create SEQ File, for those that need this, it is important, for those that don't clicking it will not matter. SEQ are those mods that are loaded right at start (I could be wrong on that). Once you  have finished compacting all the ESLs you want close SSEDIT it will ask if you want to save, you do. Then run ESLify Everything.

 

Again read the articles, my explanation above is pretty half assed and for someone doing it their first time there is a lot missing and unexplained. There is a learning curve and familiarity with SSEDIT and MO2 and a huge tolerance for completely fucking up your build is required. but it does work once you get the hang of it. 

 

The following mods are the ones I used ESLify Everything on in my current build.

Spoiler

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Realistic Boat Bobbing.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

Morning Fogs SSE.esp

Cloaks.esp

Sepolcri.esp

DIS_Heavy_Legion.esp

mihailbanekins.esp

TRX - DarkPassion.esp

1Ogres.esp

TRX - DremEnchBench.esp

TRX - Statue MilkStation.esp

TRX - Statue WildPassion.esp

Recorder Follower Patch.esp

TRX - Statue CandiGirl.esp

PrisonAlternative_Executions_Riften.esp

PaPunishmentPack1.esp

TPOS_Skyrims_Dead.esp

DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

AMatterOfTime.esp

EasyWheel-AIO.esp

WM_WidgetMod.esp

Footprints.esp

TRX_Statue MagicMeditation.esp

PrisonAlternative_Executions_WindHelm.esp

RBB - Wyrmstooth.esp

TRX - Statue MagicLessons.esp

TRX - Statue Alpha.esp

DIS_Armor_Fractions.esp

SL Dirty Deeds Missives.esp

TRX - Statue TriumphOfTheBeast.esp

CoveredBridgesofSkyrim.esp

TRX - Statue Trophy.esp

TRX - Enven Huntress.esp

TRX - Statue ArcherMasteryF.esp

TRX - AncientQueenV3.esp

ImperialMail - DBM.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

Faction Crossbows.esp

Skyshards.esp

TRX - Elnven Huntress V2NF.esp

BuxomWenchYuriana-TheGreatTownOfShorsStone Patch.esp

Follow me for Sex.esp

SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

RaceMenuMorphsTRX.esp

SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

[SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp

SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon Horse.esp

SOS - Pubic Hair for TRX-Futanari Addon.esp

SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp

KSWigsSMP.esp

Deadly Wenches.esp

Deadly Wenches - Faction Addon.esp

Forgotten Wenches.esp

Judgment Wenches.esp

Lucien-AnniversaryEdition-Patch.esp

FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp

RaceMenuHH.esp

QwibLantern.esp

SprintSlide.esp

MaximumDestruction.esp

ImperialMail - Bruma.esp

RM_AnimatedOverlays.esp

Sunstarved_Tanlines.esp

Skyrim Teens.esp

TRX - AncientQueen.esp

TRX - VaerminaF.esp

TRX - DibellaF.esp

TRX - SanguineF.esp

TRX_ST_Champion.esp

ImmersiveInteractions.esp

DragonbornShoutPerks.esp

MaximumCarnage.esp

HotKeySkill.esp

LetYourHairDown.esp

True Prone System.esp

Immersive Wenches -Enslaved Wenches patch-.esp

OAroused.esp

CBPC anus support.esp

CRF-SkyrimTeens.esp

DBVO.esp

dD Enchanted Chests.esp

DeviousInterests.esp

FadeTattoos.esp

RapeTattoos.esp

SlaverunEnforcerStandsalone.esp

SLSO_F_VP_The Girl Next Door.esp

sr_FillHerUp.esp

ZAO_active_overlays.esp

ZMD'S Obscure Overlays RaceMenu.esp

Animal_SOS.esp

SOS - Animal Addon.esp

AnubAnimObj.esp

NCK30Obj.esp

NibblesAnimObjects.esp

SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp

SLALAnimObj.esp

SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp

PW SE G9 hotfix.esp

SOS - ERF - Horse Penis Redux Addon (No Balls).esp

SOS - ERF - Horse Penis Redux Addon.esp

RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

sl_triggers.esp

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Azailahab

[wower2345]

On 12/5/2023 at 10:33 PM, Racihti said:

Also you probably know this, but don't esl'ify mods and then continue playing an active save, you'll corrupt it for sure. Mandates making a new character if you esl'ify mods.

Hm, are you sure? I've done this a lot of times and checked for save file corruption with ReSaver to make sure it's all good. I don't get any crashes either. Seems like this doesn't hold for all mods.

[Azailahab]

On 12/8/2023 at 8:59 AM, wower2345 said:

Hm, are you sure? I've done this a lot of times and checked for save file corruption with ReSaver to make sure it's all good. I don't get any crashes either. Seems like this doesn't hold for all mods.

From my experience if the load order changes because of the removal that is where you end up having most of the issues. Removing a mod is way more troublesome than adding a new one. Updating a mod with a new version that holds the same spot in your loadorder is even less problematic, however, some mods will break even when updating. Also if any other mod was dependant on it the game will most likely not even load. If you have output files based on tools such as FNIS, Wyre Bash, Sythesis, Bodyslide etc. then you will have to rerun those as well.

 

Consider it a general rule of thumb, that under the right circumstances can be bent instead of broken.