NTWY Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 So I Have built up a pretty big load order for my skyrim SE and everything works fine until it doesn't. Indeed, all the mods with scripts work correctly for 15-20 minutes and then everything breaks. Force greets don't trigger so NPCs start following me around and never engaging dialogue, dialogues for quests are missing or the dialogue exits out automatically on a loop. Furthermore, my saves/quicksaves become "corrupted" and I can't load them. But if I restart my game, the saves I did while the game broke work fine. My guess would be that the skyrim engine can't handle this many mods my im not sure. Can someone give some tips and insights for this issue? Thanks LOAD ORDER Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 254 FE 0 ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl 254 FE 1 ccbgssse003-zombies.esl 254 FE 2 ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl 254 FE 3 ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl 254 FE 4 ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl 254 FE 5 ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl 254 FE 6 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl 254 FE 7 ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl 254 FE 8 ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl 254 FE 9 ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl 254 FE a ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine.esl 254 FE b ccqdrsse001-survivalmode.esl 5 5 cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon.esm 6 6 cceejsse001-hstead.esm 254 FE c ccqdrsse002-firewood.esl 254 FE d ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl 254 FE e ccbgssse035-petnhound.esl 254 FE f ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl 254 FE 10 cceejsse002-tower.esl 254 FE 11 ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl 254 FE 12 ccvsvsse002-pets.esl 254 FE 13 ccbgssse037-curios.esl 254 FE 14 ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl 254 FE 15 ccbgssse045-hasedoki.esl 254 FE 16 ccbgssse008-wraithguard.esl 254 FE 17 ccbgssse036-petbwolf.esl 254 FE 18 ccffbsse001-imperialdragon.esl 254 FE 19 ccmtysse002-ve.esl 254 FE 1a ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl 254 FE 1b ccvsvsse001-winter.esl 254 FE 1c cceejsse003-hollow.esl 7 7 ccbgssse016-umbra.esm 8 8 ccbgssse031-advcyrus.esm 254 FE 1d ccbgssse040-advobgobs.esl 254 FE 1e ccbgssse058-ba_steel.esl 254 FE 1f ccpewsse002-armsofchaos.esl 254 FE 20 ccbgssse041-netchleather.esl 254 FE 21 ccedhsse002-splkntset.esl 254 FE 22 ccbgssse064-ba_elven.esl 254 FE 23 ccbgssse063-ba_ebony.esl 254 FE 24 ccbgssse062-ba_dwarvenmail.esl 254 FE 25 ccbgssse060-ba_dragonscale.esl 254 FE 26 ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail.esl 254 FE 27 ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim.esl 9 9 ccbgssse025-advdsgs.esm 254 FE 28 ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl 254 FE 29 ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl 254 FE 2a cceejsse004-hall.esl 10 a Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp 11 b ZaZAnimationPack.esm 12 c PamaInteractiveBeatup.esm 254 FE 2b iWant Widgets.esl 13 d SexLab.esm 14 e Devious Devices - Assets.esm 15 f SexLabAroused.esm 16 10 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 17 11 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 18 12 Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm 19 13 PamaPrisonAlternative.esm 20 14 PamaFurnitureScr.esp 21 15 Amputator.esm 254 FE 2c TrueHUD.esl 22 16 Heels Sound.esm 23 17 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 24 18 High Poly Head.esm 25 19 SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm 26 1a FISS.esp 254 FE 2d Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl 27 1b daymoyl.esm 28 1c Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm 29 1d CreatureFramework.esm 30 1e ApachiiHair.esm 31 1f ApachiiHairFemales.esm 32 20 SimplyKnock.esp 33 21 SL Survival.esp 34 22 GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp 35 23 SkyUI_SE.esp 36 24 Immersive Wenches.esp 37 25 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 38 26 Nordic Warmaiden Body Hair.esp 39 27 SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp 40 28 SexualPersuasion.esp 254 FE 2e [COCO] Flyin Dance [SE].esp 254 FE 2f [COCO]Student Uniform [SE].esp 254 FE 30 [COCO] Battle Angels [SE].esp 254 FE 31 BakaMotionData.esp 254 FE 32 [COCO]Lingerie.esp 254 FE 33 [COCO]Goddess War.esp 254 FE 34 SLWidgets.esp 254 FE 35 iWant Status Bars.esp 41 29 SLACS.esp 42 2a EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 43 2b Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 44 2c ELFX - Exteriors.esp 45 2d SD Cages.esp 46 2e Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 47 2f Cutting Room Floor.esp 254 FE 36 [COCO] Shadow Assassin.esp 254 FE 37 BOOBIES_ImmersiveIcons.esp 254 FE 38 I4IconAddon.esp 254 FE 39 SkyUI_Weapons_Pack.esp 254 FE 3a CS_Angi.esp 254 FE 3b CS_Birna.esp 254 FE 3c CS_Constance.esp 254 FE 3d CS_Danica.esp 254 FE 3e CS_Elenwen.esp 254 FE 3f CS_Fastred.esp 254 FE 40 CS_Gabriella.esp 254 FE 41 CS_Gilfre.esp 254 FE 42 CS_Illdi.esp 254 FE 43 CS_Sigrid.esp 254 FE 44 CS_Vittoria.esp 254 FE 45 CS_Wylandriah.esp 254 FE 46 Devious Chastity Piercing.esp 48 30 ZAZpatch.esp 254 FE 47 State of Dress.esp 49 31 SLDrunkRedux.esp 50 32 SexLabDefeat.esp 254 FE 48 Non-Devious Devices.esp 254 FE 49 Non-Devious Devices - Masterlist.esp 254 FE 4a LewdMarksAroused.esp 254 FE 4b Devious Devices SE patch.esp 254 FE 4c DX Dark Knight Armor.esp 254 FE 4d [COCO] Mysterious Mage [SE].esp 254 FE 4e LoadingScreens.esp 254 FE 4f Weapon Armor Attribute Tweaks.esp 51 33 SD Cages - Badassless Patch.esp 52 34 Blues Skyrim.esp 53 35 xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp 54 36 SLSFFameComments.esp 55 37 Captured Dreams.esp 56 38 ELFX - Weathers.esp 57 39 Public Whore.esp 58 3a PWComments.esp 59 3b BaboInteractiveDia.esp 60 3c Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp 61 3d FurnitureMarkerSex.esp 62 3e sanguinesDebauchery.esp 63 3f PetProject.esp 64 40 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 65 41 SLUTS.esp 66 42 DeviousInterests.esp 67 43 Slaverun_Reloaded.esp 68 44 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp 254 FE 50 Slaverun Reloaded - Non-DD and Immersive Wenches Patch plus Quest NPCs Are Now Followers.esp 69 45 SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp 254 FE 51 SD Cages - Non-DD and Immersive Wenches Patch.esp 70 46 Laura's Bondage Shop.esp 71 47 DeviouslyPink.esp 254 FE 52 DX Sexy Little Cook.esp 72 48 UnforgivingDevices.esp 254 FE 53 UnforgivingDevices - DD Patch.esp 254 FE 54 UnforgivingDevices - CACO Patch.esp 254 FE 55 UnforgivingDevices - Chastity Piercing Patch.esp 254 FE 56 UnforgivingDevices - DCL Patch.esp 254 FE 57 UnforgivingDevices - Security Overhaul Patch.esp 254 FE 58 UnforgivingDevices - LBS Patch.esp 254 FE 59 Lauras Bondage Shop - Immersive Wenches Patch.esp 254 FE 5a Lauras Bondage Shop - Immersive Wenches and Bikini Armors Patch.esp 254 FE 5b UnforgivingDevices - Pink Patch.esp 254 FE 5c SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp 73 49 FadeTattoos.esp 74 4a RapeTattoos.esp 75 4b ZAO_active_overlays.esp 254 FE 5d DevFollowersVoiceMore.esp 254 FE 5e [COCO]Luscious Lady [SE].esp 76 4c GlevLoadScreens.esp 254 FE 5f CS_Alva.esp 254 FE 60 CS_Fura.esp 254 FE 61 CS_Hert.esp 254 FE 62 CS_Hestla.esp 254 FE 63 CS_Modhna.esp 254 FE 64 CS_Orla.esp 254 FE 65 CS_Sorine.esp 254 FE 66 CS_Sybille.esp 254 FE 67 CS_Tilde.esp 254 FE 68 CS_Vori.esp 254 FE 69 CS_Astrid.esp 254 FE 6a CS_Endarie.esp 254 FE 6b CS_Fanari.esp 254 FE 6c CS_Haelga.esp 254 FE 6d CS_Milore.esp 254 FE 6e CS_Mirabelle.esp 254 FE 6f CS_Rakel.esp 254 FE 70 CS_Rikke.esp 254 FE 71 CS_Svana.esp 77 4d Slaverun_Reloaded_Comments.esp 78 4e RaceMenuHH.esp 254 FE 72 SlaveTats.esp 254 FE 73 BaboInteractiveDia_Voices1.esp 254 FE 74 BaboInteractiveDia_Voices2.esp 254 FE 75 BaboInteractiveDia_Voices3.esp 254 FE 76 DX Fetish Fashion Volume 1 SE.esp 79 4f KS Hairdo's.esp 80 50 Devious Cidhna.esp 254 FE 77 Spoils of War.esp 81 51 DeviousFollowers.esp 82 52 East Reach House.esp 83 53 PrisonAlternative_Executions_Riften.esp 84 54 PROTEUS.esp 85 55 SimpleSlavery.esp 86 56 yps-ImmersivePiercing.esp 87 57 Missives.esp 88 58 notice board.esp 89 59 SOS - Shop.esp 90 5a submissivelola_est.esp 91 5b SL Dirty Deeds Missives.esp 254 FE 78 DF SLACS Patch.esp 254 FE 79 DeviousFollowers - Unofficially Patched.esp 254 FE 7a DeviousFollowers - Cutting Room Floor - Patch.esp 254 FE 7b CS_Hjordis.esp 254 FE 7c DX FetishFashion II.esp 92 5c DX Necromancer Robes.esp 93 5d SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp 254 FE 7d OneGirlPerTavern.esp 94 5e The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp 95 5f cfl_LolaAddon.esp 96 60 TTLolaAddon.esp 254 FE 7e Missives - Solstheim.esp TEWOBA_Extended_LLPatch.esp 97 61 The Facility.esp 254 FE 7f NewStatueOfShalidorMagicLights.esp 98 62 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 80 Asuras Guard [Armor].esp 99 63 VioLens SE.esp 100 64 SnuSnu-VioLense.esp 254 FE 81 CS_Adrianne.esp 254 FE 82 CS_Gerdur.esp 254 FE 83 CS_Grelka.esp 254 FE 84 CS_Hulda.esp 254 FE 85 CS_Lisette.esp 254 FE 86 CS_Morwen.esp 254 FE 87 CS_Muiri.esp 254 FE 88 CS_Taarie.esp 254 FE 89 CS_Temba.esp 254 FE 8a CS_Tonilia.esp 254 FE 8b CS_Adelaisa.esp 254 FE 8c CS_Aranea.esp 254 FE 8d CS_Arcadia.esp 254 FE 8e CS_Beleval.esp 254 FE 8f CS_Elisif.esp 254 FE 90 CS_Idgrod.esp 254 FE 91 CS_Ingjard.esp 254 FE 92 CS_Olfina.esp 254 FE 93 CS_Senna.esp 254 FE 94 CS_Ysolda.esp 254 FE 95 CS_Borgakh.esp 254 FE 96 CS_Brelyna.esp 254 FE 97 CS_Camilla.esp 254 FE 98 CS_Carlotta.esp 254 FE 99 CS_Ingun.esp 254 FE 9a CS_Karliah.esp 254 FE 9b CS_Maven.esp 254 FE 9c CS_Saadia.esp 254 FE 9d CS_Sylgja.esp 254 FE 9e CS_Ugor.esp 254 FE 9f CS_Lydia.esp 254 FE a0 CS_Mjoll.esp 254 FE a1 CS_Njada.esp 254 FE a2 CS_Rayya.esp 254 FE a3 CS_Ria.esp 254 FE a4 CS_Sapphire.esp 254 FE a5 CS_Serana.esp 254 FE a6 CS_Uthgerd.esp 254 FE a7 CS_Valerica.esp 254 FE a8 CS_Vex.esp 101 65 LazyItemHiderRedux.esp 254 FE a9 CS_Aela.esp 254 FE aa CS_Annekke.esp 254 FE ab CS_Delphine.esp 254 FE ac CS_Eola.esp 254 FE ad CS_Frea.esp 254 FE ae CS_Illia.esp 254 FE af CS_Iona.esp 254 FE b0 CS_Irileth.esp 254 FE b1 CS_Jordis.esp 254 FE b2 BHUNP3BBB.esp 102 66 RaceMenuMorphsBHUNP.esp 254 FE b3 Slaverun Reloaded - Non-DD and Immersive Wenches Patch.esp 254 FE b4 CS_Jenassa.esp 103 67 SexLab_SOS-Stapon.esp 254 FE b5 SexlabLightMeUp.esp 104 68 AMatterOfTime.esp 254 FE b6 PersonalizedMannequin.esp 105 69 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp 106 6a [COCO]SMP hair v6.esp 254 FE b7 YMMP.esp 107 6b Koralina's Eyebrows.esp 254 FE b8 koralinas_freckles_moles.esp 254 FE b9 LyruTat.esp 254 FE ba UnholyBodyTattoo.esp 254 FE bb (AMI) [COCO] Caress of Venus.esp 254 FE bc [AMI] COCO Succubus.esp 254 FE bd [AMI] COCO Raikou.esp 254 FE be [AMI] DX Fetish Fashion Volume 1.esp 254 FE bf [AMI] Dint999 Secret Child of Talos.esp 108 6c Northgirl.esp 254 FE c0 [Dint999] SecretChildOfTalos.esp 254 FE c1 BHUNP CaressofVenus.esp 254 FE c2 [COCO] Pinup Cheongsam.esp 254 FE c3 [COCO] Witchiness [SE].esp 254 FE c4 [COCO] Succubus [SE].esp 254 FE c5 SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp 254 FE c6 TrueDirectionalMovement.esp 109 6d Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp 110 6e Skyrim Weapons Expansion.esp 111 6f TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 112 70 SLALAnimObj.esp 113 71 50 More Perk Points.esp 254 FE c7 aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp 114 72 PsycheAnimationObjects.esp 115 73 CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp 116 74 CommunityOverlays3.esp 117 75 CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp 118 76 SOS - 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Perks of Skyrim.esp 150 96 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 151 97 Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp 152 98 nwsFollowerFramework.esp 254 FE d3 nwsFF_NTMD_Apocalypse.esp 153 99 ELFXEnhancer.esp 154 9a Automated Leveled List Addition.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp
traison Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 I don't know what SL Triggers does but it apparently is capable of doing damage to quest dialogue so that's the first thing that comes to mind. If you don't have that, load a broken save in ReSaver and see what it has to say. Engine Fixes also has some fix for supposedly corrupted saves.
ttts1 Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 SL Triggers just allows you to set consequences for certain actions in the game. For example, you can set drinking alcohol to have a 50% chance of giving a disease every time your character drinks. Or have some actions make your character cry, or whatever. I don't think that would be the cause unless some crazy trigger was set (or too many were created). I don't have the technical skills to really provide any specific help, the only thing I can suggest is using trial and error to see what works. I did notice Deviously Cursed Loot in your modlist, and I haven't used it but I have seen people say that it can cause a game to be unstable due to how much is going on in that mod. If I understand correctly, it would constantly be calculating things that slows down the game and overwhelms Papyrus (I think?). If I were you, I would start by doing a new game without Deviously Cursed Loot (and mods that require it) and see if that helps.
NTWY Posted June 18, 2023 Author Posted June 18, 2023 Thanks for the tips. I seem to have fixed it I believe. I checked the resaver mod page and it turns out I had "thrashing" where scripts would start before letting the others finish (apparently happens with script heavy load orders) which would cause the save to corrupt. So I did a few things not sure which one solved my issue : - Deleted the thousands of saves I had stored in my game which was obviously a bad thing - Downloaded the part 2 of engine fixe which I didn't have - Stopped doing quicksaves and disabled autosaves to avoid saving while scripts were running My game seems more stable now and doesn't corrupt all the time. If the issue comes back I might take out DCL but I like the mod so id rather not. 1
JimUpdating Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 I've come across comments elsewhere that quicksave can be risky, and I'd expect that the more data/variables/scripts then the risk gets higher as the programmers who wrote the quicksave probably didn't expect all the mods/scripts when Skyrim was first developed. other mods to consider depending on interest: devious strike, devious captives, devious lore
traison Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, JimUpdating said: I've come across comments elsewhere that quicksave can be risky, and I'd expect that the more data/variables/scripts then the risk gets higher as the programmers who wrote the quicksave probably didn't expect all the mods/scripts when Skyrim was first developed. This seems to be generally a good idea, however: I believe there's a 3rd actor in this, as in, its not a problem normally but some setup makes it so. For instance, I've quicksaved since Fallout 3 and never bricked a save becasue of it. Engine Fixes I believe changes quicksaves such that they also become "normal" saves. Another way to put that would be to say Engine Fixes makes quicksaving safe again.
NTWY Posted June 18, 2023 Author Posted June 18, 2023 My bet would be that the issue came from saves not being done in a safe way because I didn't remove any mod from my load order and its like day and night compared to before 1
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