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Whenever i go from the college to saarthal in under saarthal quest, i get a crash right after leaving winterhold town (up the hill, the small pass there)

If i fast travel to alftand and go then to saarthal, it crashes when approaching saarthal, can see tolfdir already. If i go few saves back before joining

the college, its the same.

 

Played the questline already with a different character a few weeks back without problems and my loadorder hasn't changed since that.

The only different thing i made with this character was completing the dawnguard questline for the vampires, which i do not often.

 

Message from crashfixes:

 

Skyrim has failed to allocate memory! Possibly running out of memory. Size / alignment of object being allocated was -1055752188

 

 

Edit: Save from before dawnguard questline works, i can go to saarthal without problems. its just a few hours back.

 

 

2023-04-27_13.43.42.dmp

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12 minutes ago, Tlam99 said:

Deactivate snowtrolls, snowcats, icespiders, in mnc.

 

Did it, crashed again with same crashfixes message.

 

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Save from before dawnguard questline works, i can go to saarthal without problems. its just a few hours back.

 

Has probably something to do with dawnguard. That questline gave me always some crashes. But not like this.

After the questline was over i cured my character.

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Yep this saliah girl. She attacked me a few saves back on the road to winterhold coming from the south, near the mine with 3 friendly npc in there.

I killed her, read the message and putted both key and message in a chest in breezehome.

 

Crashed again, after i have taken key and note with me.

 

Jiub quest was completed. Valerica returned back to castle volkihar.

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Oh shit. I know your pain.

 

When I get consistant crashes like this the same place the solution is almost always to go back to a previous save, where the crash does not happen.

 

And the Dawnguard questline is a bitch to get through, if You want all the extra equipment for the museum in Legacy of the Dragonborn.

 

 

I am happy to say goodbye to Serana every time and park her with her mother in her lab.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think Dawnguard is a great DLC. But when You have done it 15-20 times then it is a chore.

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1 hour ago, NCK30 said:

When I get consistant crashes like this the same place the solution is almost always to go back to a previous save, where the crash does not happen.

 

Yeah, will probably do that after trying it a last time with a rebooted computer.

Like i said before, mage guild worked before with a different char and same loadorder.

Can go to saarthal before dawnguard was started. Had never issues like this when siding with dawnguard.

Has probably something to do with a radiant quest which the vamps want give me.

1 hour ago, NCK30 said:

I am happy to say goodbye to Serana every time and park her with her mother in her lab.

 

lol just what i do everytime. i hate that serana ruins my sl scenes with her sandbox behavior.

But after the questline you can make her aft follower, so you have a bit control over it.

 

Edit: nope, will crash even after reboot. The worst is i did bards college and septimus signus elder scroll in the dawnguard

questline. so can also do this shit again. XD

 

Tested more saves, the crash occurs on the save right after the soul cairn quest. The save before where i have to find dexion work.

Was always going up the hill from winterhold in all tested saves. Things i have done different in finding dexion quest, was going straight

to the cave without asking anyone for the first time.

 

Edit: The save after recruiting dexion works, so its soul cairn for sure. I know already of some issues with the soul cairn, thats

why i finish the jiub quest everytime. If you ignore the quest, you will probably get annoyed with pure virtual function crashes

later in skyrim worldspace then.

 

Whatever, go now back and will never touch this questline again. Thanks for helping me. ^^

 

 

 

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Yep, was editing my post already but you were faster. So if its not jiub or arvak what could it be.

I havn't killed that dragon in blackreach because i rushed the scroll quest, but i guess thats not the cause hm? ;)

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20 minutes ago, Alexander3 said:

Yep, was editing my post already but you were faster. So if its not jiub or arvak what could it be.

I havn't killed that dragon in blackreach because i rushed the scroll quest, but i guess thats not the cause hm? ;)

 

Trying to analyse a CTD in Skyrim will only get You into trouble. Could be a million different things. Even with CrashFixes installed.

 

I installed a mod that I thought would solve all my CTD issues. Before I had to fast travel between cities to avoid CTD's. After the mod it was much better.

 

I could run from city to city with no CTD's. But I still get random CTD's. Nothing to worry about. Just everyday Skyrim.

 

As Todd Howard says "IT JUST WORKS!!!"

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/108260

 

 

Those CTD's where it would crash 4-5 times in the same save at the exactly same place is what's to worry about.

 

I would go a save back and test and so on like You did. Find the last save that worked. Take 2 days off to blow off steam.

 

 

ALWAYS make 10-15 saves. I have one for every big city, High Hrothgar, Dragonborn Gallery and so on.

 

Do NOT use Auto saves or Quick saves. Save manually without overwriting.

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Thanks bro thats a good post. Normally i have no big ctd problems since i deleted the headtracking mod from maegfaer, years ago.

A crash per 50hours playtime maybe, but never repeatable like this one.

 

Forgot to say, i always played the blackreach elder scroll quest before dawnguard. This was the first time i played it while in DG questline.

Also, i noticed serana didn't comment it when i took the blood scroll in soul cairn like she always did before. XD

 

Had never problems with auto or quicksaves. Even used it in the akavir mod alot, which was in combination with SOS very unstable first.

Used autosaves while creating the sos addon for it and fixing a corrupt nif later. In the end it was completely stable. Except for the first

quest, which is a bit broken.

 

I know of this dont use autosaves myth and there was also i time were i didnt used them, around 2015.

Always runned around a bit paranoid. No thanks XD

 

There is a rare issue were autosave fail and it crash while doing it. Just go in that folder with the saves and delete that broken file.

Not completely sure about this, but i think it has always a different name than the normal saves. more like the backup saves(.ess bak)

Just delete the most recent file in the folder.

 

Thanks for the mod, didnt fixed it but could be useful for fixing my rare exterior crashes.

 

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I would go a save back and test and so on like You did. Find the last save that worked

 

The last that worked was before soul cairn/after recruiting dexion. But don't use it to run into the issue later again.

For me this means going 25hours back and ignoring DG completely for the rest of the playthrough.XD

 

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After a session always check with resaver. Use the last save without any issues.

Check especially for wait() and loops in active scripts. Trace the things which look strange.

 

There  a couple of script fixes. Some I did myself, like FLP unbound quests play instrument. Not game breaking, but annoying.

Got 2 unbound, buttslap one, play instrument. Cannot be cleaned, but I fixed the source of those.

A entry "If actor != none" fixed it. A clean save is besides modding the game the highest priority for me.

 

My save has max ca 20 active scripts, ussually less. Level 42 with skill uncapper, normally level 70 or so.

Use only clean saves !

 

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Thanks will try that out tomorrow.

 

16 minutes ago, Tlam99 said:

play instrument

 

Bards? After over 30 playthroughs i just kill them with console on sight. XD

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Bards?

FLP, follower live package, has some features. One of those, your followers play an instrument when idle. Random, chance can be set among other things.

Best follower frame work for my opinion. Difficult, but it handles everything. Collect flowers, loot the dead, whatever.

It's one of my core mods together with MHIYH. 

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Ah, i thought you mean the vanilla bards. They always mess around with mods like SL approach, keeping people from following me and such things.

And they never stop singing. I don't waste an esp slot for it to shut them up, so its just console --> kill --> be done with it. XD

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41 minutes ago, Tlam99 said:
1 hour ago, Alexander3 said:

Had never problems with auto or quicksaves. Even used it in the akavir mod alot, which was in combination with SOS very unstable first.

Used autosaves while creating the sos addon for it and fixing a corrupt nif later. In the end it was completely stable. Except for the first

quest, which is a bit broken.

 

I know of this dont use autosaves myth and there was also i time were i didnt used them, around 2015.

Always runned around a bit paranoid. No thanks XD

 

There is a rare issue were autosave fail and it crash while doing it. Just go in that folder with the saves and delete that broken file.

Not completely sure about this, but i think it has always a different name than the normal saves. more like the backup saves(.ess bak)

Just delete the most recent file in the folder.

 

Use only clean saves !

 

 

Like Tlam99 said. Use only clean saves.

 

In the first years of Skyrim I could CTD multiple times with Quick/Auto save.

 

Then i Started with 10-15 saves like I said. Every time I come to the cities I delete the old city save and make a clean save. Never CTD on save after that.

 

 

The "Continue Game No Crash mod" or "Load Game CTD Fix mod" also worked wonders, as I would CTD many time when loading a save. Never have them anymore.

 

 

I always play the Main quest, until I need to find the Temple, because I need to be minimum level 46 for maximum Dragonbane sword (Leveled Item).

 

Then I do the complete Dawnguard questline including the 2 scrolls and rune weapons / vampire rings. Never had issues.

 

 

I have Immersive College of Winterhold installed. That can play tricks with the last Mage quest, as the main hall is remodeled. The psijics will eventually remove the orb.

 

Also one of my followers will bug out Ancano, unless I disable her before and enable her after. Thanks god for console codes.

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Its maybe just the order i played that quests. I never played it in this order before, or had a crash like this. And i played more than 5000 hours

since i deleted the crashy headtracking mod back in 2017.

 

The quest knowledge of the ancients from paarthurnax was active. Was going first to soul cairn for blood scroll, maybe thats why serana didnt

commented it, and then to blackreach for dragon scroll.

 

Thanks for the tips, but like already said, my game is normally pretty stable. In my last playthrough where i have done all the nexus modding stuff i had maybe

10-15 crashes in 600hours but nothing repeatable, the crashing in akavir mod not included.

 

  

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You are not allowed to sleep when helping me. just joking ;)

 

Don't get me wrong, i appreciate all your tips. But im not a fan of changing a running system because

of dawnguard, and the broken mess it is sometimes. While the rest of the game works perfect.

I hoped for someone who can read that dmp file, or a hint what it could be, so i can fix the broken

stuff maybe with tes5edit.

 

16 hours ago, NCK30 said:

Trying to analyse a CTD in Skyrim will only get You into trouble. Could be a million different things. Even with CrashFixes installed.

 

Its a good way to learn how things work and sometimes you may have luck and can fix stuff. If i hadn't analyzed the crash in the

akavir mod, the corrupt gamebreaking nif would be still in there and this amazing mod were already banned from my harddisk.

It's only one example, i can make a long list back to 2010 where i fixed ctd's for total war games if you like. ;)

 

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Replayed it now with a save before dawnguard, 2 hours running around for words of power, 2 hours Septimus/Blackreach, joined

the mage guild then and completed saarthal without any crashes. Ignored dawnguard of course, has something to with soul cairn

for sure.

 

Maybe i take later a look at the cleaned dawnguard.esm, have cleaned them 2014 when i was a skyrim noob. But i have

played dawnguard side many times with that esm without issues like this. The vampire side seems bugged as hell

even running around in castle volkihar has potential to crash/heavy framedrops sometimes.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Alexander3 said:

Don't get me wrong, i appreciate all your tips. But im not a fan of changing a running system because

of dawnguard, and the broken mess it is sometimes. While the rest of the game works perfect.

I hoped for someone who can read that dmp file, or a hint what it could be, so i can fix the broken

stuff maybe with tes5edit.

 

 

Its a good way to learn how things work and sometimes you may have luck and can fix stuff. If i hadn't analyzed the crash in the

akavir mod, the corrupt gamebreaking nif would be still in there and this amazing mod were already banned from my harddisk.

It's only one example, i can make a long list back to 2010 where i fixed ctd's for total war games if you like. ;)

 

I am sorry, if I sounded condescending. that was not the intention.

 

I was trying to help, but I can see that You know, what You are doing.

 

 

Skyrim is a game unlike other games. I have never had a game with so many CTD's. Mostly I have just accepted this after 12 years.

 

500-1000 mods certainly does not help the situation.

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No, i must apologize when i sounded unfriendly or arrogant. It was not my intention.

 

I guess we both just have our own methods how we deal with saves and crashes. I dont use always autosaves, i use them when

the game crash after i came out of a cave or something like that. And i make fresh manual saves for loading on next session.

For dealing with load crashes i have a save from the beginning of the playthrough, which i load first, mostly in anises shack cellar. XD

 

Mage guild is nearly done now, crashes are gone, dawnguard vampires will be ignored from now on.

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3 hours ago, Alexander3 said:

No, i must apologize when i sounded grumpy or arrogant. I have not much contact with other people, so my social skills could be

lacking sometimes (introvert plus maybe asperger syndron) not sure about the last one.

 

I guess we both just have our own methods how we deal with saves and crashes. I dont use always autosaves, i use them when

the game crash after i came out of a cave or something like that. And i make fresh manual saves for loading on next session.

For dealing with load crashes i have a save from the beginning of the playthrough, which i load first, mostly in anises shack cellar. XD

 

Mage guild is nearly done now, crashes are gone, dawnguard vampires will be ignored from now on.

 

Dragonborn DLC is better in my opinion. Though also filled with errors. Xtudo on the Nexus have several fixes out originally from SE.

 

Dawnguard I think is too long, if You want all the unique items. Especially when You choose the Dawnguard.

 

I have Better Vampires mod installed, which makes the vampire side a better experience. Anyway I can turn the hot Dawnguard babes to vampires after killing Harkon.

 

 

Hope You have an error free playthrough from now on...

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Yeah, downloaded xtudo's fixes today. Not sure if the new soul cairn fix could help. Its too late now anyway.

 

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Hope You have an error free playthrough from now on...

 

Thanks.

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