Weird glitch, looking for any insight

[Plaguetard2.0]

Greetings all! I am doing a fresh reinstall of Fallout 4. While installing some things, I've come across this bizarre bug that I am having problems pinpointing. I THINK it might be caused by a weapon mod, but I'm not 100% certain at this point. Has anyone ever come across the issue where you are playing like normal, and after a few minutes, fairly randomly in terms of time delay, your character's body becomes invisible? Screenshot below shown as example. Even if I load an earlier save, I'm already invisible even though I wasn't in that save. If I exit the game and come back, even the previously invisible save the character is visible, but then after a minute or so goes back to being invisible again. I've had Fallout 4 and modded it several times, and never come across this issue. I really haven't gotten into a lot of game changes yet, and just mostly have my textures, lighting, bodyshape, clothing, and weapon mods installed, with typical UI and utility mods installed.

 

Screenshot below

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My Modlist is here;

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#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","DLC: Wasteland Workshop"
"0001","+","DLC: Vault-Tec Workshop"
"0002","+","DLC: Nuka-World"
"0003","+","DLC: Far Harbor"
"0004","+","DLC: Contraptions Workshop"
"0005","+","DLC: Automatron"
"0007","+","Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch"
"0010","+","Enhanced Lights and FX"
"0011","+","Clarity - A Visual Overhaul"
"0012","+","Wasteland Beauty (ReShade Preset)"
"0013","+","Vivid Weathers"
"0015","+","Fallout4 - Textures1"
"0016","+","Fallout4 - Textures2"
"0017","+","Fallout4 - Textures3"
"0018","+","Fallout4 - Textures4"
"0019","+","Fallout4 - Textures5"
"0020","+","Fallout4 - Textures6"
"0021","+","Fallout4 - Textures7"
"0022","+","Fallout4 - Textures8"
"0023","+","Fallout4 - Textures9"
"0024","+","DLCCoast - Textures"
"0025","+","DLCworkshop01 - Textures"
"0026","+","DLCworkshop02 - Textures"
"0027","+","DLCworkshop03 - Textures"
"0028","+","DLCNukaWorld - Textures"
"0029","+","DLCRobot - Textures"
"0030","+","Real Water HD for ENB 2"
"0031","+","Commonwealth Reaclamation Project"
"0032","+","MystiriousDawn's HD Lensflare"
"0039","+","DYNAVISION - Dynamic Depth of Field"
"0040","+","BlurKiller - Visual Pollution Remover and Performance Enhancer"
"0041","+","PBR Materials Project"
"0042","+","Better Coastal Waves - Wilder Water"
"0045","+","Clean Water of the Commonwealth"
"0046","+","Previsibines Repair Pack"
"0053","+","LooksMenu"
"0054","+","LooksMenu BodyGen Presets"
"0055","+","Looks Menu Customization Compendium"
"0056","+","Looks Menu Customization Compendium Face Fix"
"0057","+","Looksmenu Player Rotation"
"0058","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0059","+","ZeX - ZaZ Extended Skeleton"
"0060","+","ZeX-ZBG"
"0061","+","FusionGirl"
"0062","+","BodyTalk"
"0063","+","BodyConvert"
"0064","+","CBP Physics for Fallout 4"
"0066","+","OCBPC"
"0067","+","MTM 3B OCBP - OCBPC Physics and Collision Preset"
"0068","+","HiPoly Faces REDUX (Seamless Kit - CBBE - TWB - FG)"
"0070","+","HiPoly Faces REDUX - RFP Face Slides (FG Seamless)"
"0074","+","8K Realistic Skin Textures - CBBE - Fusion Girl - ABeauty - Unique Player Compatible-"
"0075","+","4k Hairy Men Nude"
"0078","+","femshepping and radbeetle's KS Hairdos Conversions"
"0088","+","The Eyes of Beauty Fallout Kaleidoscope Edition - All-in-One"
"0100","+","Kharneth's Fusion Girl Presets"
"0101","+","Josie Body - A CBBE and Fusion Girl BodySlide Preset"
"0103","+","Riley Looksmenu Preset"
"0104","+","Fallout Ladies - Nora (HiPoly) Character Preset by LamaKreis"
"0105","+","Battle Hardened Nora - A Tactical Looks Menu Face Preset for the Sole Survivor"
"0106","+","Lovely Piper (HiPoly) Preset"
"0107","+","Preset pack"
"0108","+","Preset pack 3"
"0109","+","Kunio Various Looksmenu Face Presets"
"0110","+","TheoN - Male Preset"
"0111","+","Tifa Lockhart preset"
"0112","+","10 Male Presets"
"0113","+","Picturesque Presets for LooksMenu"
"0117","+","Fallout 4 High Heels System"
"0118","+","High Heels Sound - Fallout 4 Edition"
"0119","+","Female Outfit Replacer wiit Highheels HDT system"
"0120","+","Classy Chassis Outfits - Silver Shroud"
"0121","+","Classy Chassis Outfits - Foxy Factions"
"0122","+","Classy Chassis Outfits - Cheeky Casuals"
"0123","+","Classy Chassis Outfits - Cait's Corset"
"0124","+","Classy Chassis Outfits - Saucy Settlers"
"0125","+","Classy Chassis Outfits - Vulgar Villains"
"0126","+","Classy Chassis Outfits - Heather Casdin Replacer"
"0127","+","2pac4eva7's CBBE skimpy armor and clothing"
"0128","+","CBBE Skimpy Armor and Clothing Replacer v2 - Fusion Girl Conversion"
"0129","+","True Hidden Helmets and Hats (Hide Helmet Hats mod)"
"0131","+","HN66s EasyGirl Outfits for CBBE and SHB - Bodyslide"
"0132","+","HN66s EasyGirl Outfits - Fusion Girl and BodyTalk3 Bodyslide Files"
"0133","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 5 - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0134","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 5 - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0135","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 1 - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0136","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 1 - Fusion Girl BodySlide Conversion"
"0137","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 7 - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0138","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 7 Materials 2K"
"0139","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 7 - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0140","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 6 - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0141","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 6 - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0142","+","Vtaw Utility Pack - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0143","+","Vtaw Utility Pack - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0144","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 2 - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0145","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 2 - Fusion Girl BodySlide Conversion"
"0146","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 4 - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0147","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 4 - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0148","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 8 - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0149","+","Vtaw Wardrobe 8 Fusion Girl Body Slide Conversion"
"0150","+","Kharneth Slave Clothes - Fusion Girl - CBBE"
"0151","+","Clothes Pack 4 by DonEb14n - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0152","+","Clothes Pack 4 FG"
"0153","+","Children of Atom - Fanatics Outfits (full .esl version)"
"0154","+","Children of Atom - Fanatics Outfits - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0155","+","Clothes Pack 3 by DonEb14n - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0156","+","Clothes Pack 3 FG"
"0157","+","Atom Girl Outfit CBBE"
"0158","+","Atom Girl Outfit and Skin Override - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0159","+","Clothes Pack by DonEb14n"
"0160","+","Clothes Pack by DonEb14n - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0161","+","Clothes Pack 2 by DonEb14n"
"0162","+","Clothes Pack 2 by DonEb14n - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0163","+","Collection of tops v2.0 by DonEb14n"
"0164","+","Collection of tops v2.0 by DonEb14n - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0165","+","Delyte's Charm and Essence CBBE"
"0166","+","Delyte's Charm and Essence - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0167","+","TankTop"
"0168","+","TankTop - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0169","+","Banshee Recon Armor CBBE"
"0170","+","Banshee Recon Armor - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0171","+","Baggy TankTop - CBBE - BodySlide"
"0172","+","Radiation Queen Baggy tank-tops Redux For Fusion Girl"
"0173","+","Sarah Rage Armor - CBBE - Bodyslide"
"0174","+","Sarah's Rage Armor Fusion Girl 1.75 conversion"
"0175","+","Shade Girl Leather Outfits - CBBE"
"0176","+","Shade Girl Leather Outfits - Fusion Girl Bodyslide Files"
"0177","+","Shino Vault-Tec Pack CBBE-BodySlide"
"0178","+","Shino Vault-Tec Pack Fusion Girl 1.8"
"0179","+","HN66s Plain Earrings for FO4"
"0181","+","Start Me Up Redux - Fixes and Update for Alternate Start and Dialogue Overhaul"
"0185","+","PipboyRemover"
"0186","+","Pip-Boy Flashlight (Pipboy - Power Armor - Lamp Overhaul) Primary"
"0187","+","Pip-Boy Flashlight (Pipboy - Power Armor - Lamp Overhaul)"
"0246","+","Accelerator Plasma Energy Weapon"
"0247","+","Accuracy International AX50 Anti-Materiel Rifle"
"0248","+","AER15 Modern Laser Assault Rifle"
"0249","+","Agency Arms Benelli M2 - Shotgun"
"0250","+","Ak5C - A Nordic Relic"
"0251","+","AK74M - Assault Rifle"
"0252","+","AnotherOne TEC-9"
"0253","+","AQUILA - Laser Rifle"
"0254","+","Bullpup Bozar"
"0255","+","Cazador Missile Launcher"
"0256","+","Combined Arms - Modern Weapon Pack"
"0257","+","Combined Arms - Expansion Pack"
"0258","+","Combined Arms Integration Project (CAIP)"
"0259","+","FN-FAL"
"0260","+","GIAT FAMAS"
"0261","+","Glock 19X - Pistol"
"0262","+","Heckler und Koch - MP7"
"0263","+","Heckler und Koch - UMP"
"0264","+","HK USP - Pistol"
"0265","+","HS Produkt VHS-2 Rifle"
"0266","+","McMillan CS5 - A Standalone Sniper Rifle"
"0267","+","MK18 CQBR"
"0268","+","Mossberg 500 Pump-Action Shotgun"
"0269","+","RPG-7V2"
"0270","+","RU556 - Assault rifle"
"0271","+","SIG MCX - Assault Rifle"
"0272","+","SIG Sauer MPX 001e"
"0273","+","Springfield Armory M1A"
"0274","+","SREP REDUX - Service Rifle Expansion Project"
"0275","+","Steyr AUG A3 - Modular Assault Rifle"
"0276","+","Modern Weapon Replacers - All-In-One Pack - FOMOD Installer"
"0277","+","DOOMBASED Weapons Merged (Weapon Pack)"
"0308","+","Be Exceptional - Skills and Perk Overhaul"
"0309","+","LevelUpMenuEx"
"0377","+","Backpacks of the Commonwealth"
"0378","+","Accessible Backpacks"
"0379","+","The Mobile Mechanic - Portable Workbenches and Junk Scrapping"
"0383","+","Animated Backpack Inventory - Accessible Backpacks addon"
"0492","+","HUDFramework"
"0493","+","Extended Dialogue Interface"
"0495","+","Kill Tips and Hit Sound (Remastered)"
"0496","+","Mod Configuration Menu"
"0497","+","FallUI - Confirm Boxes"
"0498","+","FallUI"
"0499","+","FallUI - HUD"
"0501","+","FallUI - Sleep and Wait"
"0502","+","FallUI - Workbench"
"0503","+","FallUI - Map"
"0504","+","Satellite World Map"
"0505","+","FallUI - Icon Library"
"0506","+","Fallsouls - Unpaused Game Menus"
"0507","+","Immersive HUD - iHUD"
"0508","+","FIS - The NEW FallUI Item Sorter"
"0509","+","Third Person First Person Aiming"
"0510","+","Fallout 4 Wheel Menu"
"0511","+","Q.M.W (Quick Modification Weapon)(Only mod weapon)"
"0512","+","S.T.A.L.K.E.R. HUD PRESET FOR FALLUI - HUD 2.0"
"0513","+","Wheel Menu - FallUIified"
"0514","+","Wheel Menu - FallUI (FIS) Preset"
"0523","+","Super Ultra Wide Interface (32x9)"
"0525","+","Address Library for F4SE Plugins"
"0526","+","Better Console - F4SE"
"0527","+","RAW INPUT - The Ultimate Mouse Sensitivity Fix"
"0539","+","Baka Framework"
"0545","+","FusionGirl Vanilla Clothes Built Meshes"
"0546","+","BodyTalk Vanilal Clothes Meshes"
"0547","+","Custom Bodyslide Preset Files"
 

 

The load order is here;

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
HUDFramework.esm
XDI.esm
BakaFramework.esm
KillTips_by_tooun.esl
BodyTalk3-RaiderNormalsFix.esl
HiPolyFacesCompanionPlugin.esl
PPF.esm
Quick_Modification_Weapon_by_tooun.esl
BetterCoastalWaves.esl
CoAFanaticsGirl.esl
Clarity.esp
CRP1.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Quest.esp
Vivid Waters.esp
Clean Water - Crystal.esp
BlurKillerComplete.esp
DYNAVISION.esp
StartMeUpShaunDefaultAppearance.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp
Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Summer.esp
Vivid Weathers - Natural Bright.esp
Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp
FusionGirl.esp
ZeX-BodyGen.esp
LooksMenu.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
KSHairsFemsheppingRadbeetle.esp
HiPolyFaces.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
CombinedArmsNV.esp
CombinedArmsEXPack.esp
CombinedArmsIntegrationProject.esp
Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
AccessibleBackpacks.esp
Aigni_UltraWide.esp
PipboyRemover.esp
RAW INPUT.esp
TheMobileMechanic.esp
M8rDisablePipboyEffects.esp
Immersive HUD.esp
ThirdPersonFirstPersonAiming.esp
WheelMenu.esp
Be Exceptional.esp
bTankTop.esp
Clothes Pack 2 by DonEb14n.esp
Clothes Pack 3 by DonEb14n.esp
Clothes Pack 4 by DonEb14n.esp
Collection of tops v2.0.esp
DelyteC&E.esp
DonEb14n Clothes pack.esp
DX_Atom_Girl_Outfit.esp
DOOMMerged.esp
DX_Banshee_Recon_Armor.esp
HN66Fo4_EarringsV1.esp
HN66Fo4_EasyGirl_BS.esp
Kharneth_Slave_Clothes.esp
NiTeNull - Shade Girl Leather Outfits.esp
sarahRageArmor.esp
CCOCheekyCasualsReplacer.esp
SigMCX.esp
1CAS_ServiceRifle.esp
CazadorML.esp
ehtyeci_MPX.esp
Ak5C.esp
Shino Vault Pack.esp
TTMerch.esp
VtawUtilityPack1.esp
VtawWardrobe1.esp
VtawWardrobe2.esp
VtawWardrobe4.esp
VtawWardrobe5.esp
VtawWardrobe6.esp
VtawWardrobe7.esp
VtawWardrobe8.esp
CCOCaitCorsetReplacer.esp
CCOFoxyFactionsReplacer.esp
CCOHeatherCasdinReplacer.esp
CCOSaucySettlersReplacer.esp
CCOSilverShroudReplacer.esp
CCOVulgarVillainsReplacer.esp
FO4HHS_AAF.esp
HHFootsteps.esp
TrueHiddenHelmets.esp
MK18.esp
AER15.esp
SteyrAUGnv.esp
RU556.esp
M2Agency.esp
HsProduktVhs2.esp
Mossberg500.esp
AK74M.esp
FN-FAL.esp
Glock19x.esp
HaxRPG7.esp
BullpupBozar.esp
AQUILA.esp
AX50.esp
MP7.esp
GIAT_FAMAS.esp
HK_UMP.esp
M1A.esp
TEC9.esp
Quad_Accelerator.esp
Energy Weapon Replacer - Accelerator - Plasma Guns.esp
Energy Weapon Replacer - AER15 - Laser Muskets.esp
HKUSP9mm.esp
McMillanCS5.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Agency Arms Benelli M2 - Combat Shotguns.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Combined Arms - SG550 - Laser Guns.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - AnotherOne TEC-9 - Pipe Guns.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - AK74M - Assault Rifles.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - AX50 - Hunting Rifles.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Bullpup Bozar - Combat Rifles.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Cazador Missile Launcher - Missile Launchers.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Combined Arms - M1911 - Pipe Revolvers.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Combined Arms - AUG - Institute Guns.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Combined Arms - M9A1 - Deliverer.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Combined Arms - Desert Eagle - .44 Revolvers.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - CombinedArmsEXPack - Mk12 - Handmade Rifles.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - FN FAL DOOMBASED - Radium Rifles.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - GIAT FAMAS - Submachine Guns.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Glock 19x FX0x01 - Gamma Guns.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - HK USP - 10mm Pistols.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Mossberg 500 - Double Barrel Shotguns.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - MP7 - Pipe Bolt Action.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - RPG-7V2 - Fat Man.esp
Modern Weapon Replacer - Springfield Armory M1A - Lever Action Rifles.esp
StartMeUp.esp
StartMeUpNukaWorldPatch.esp
PRP.esp
PRP-Compat-Clarity-42.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
SatelliteWorldMap.esp

 

Many thanks to anyone who can help out. I've never come across this issue before, in spite of having a significantly larger number of mods than this.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Plaguetard2.0

[Plaguetard2.0]

In the event someone else has this issue and stumbles upon this thread. The issue ended up (I think) being with an idle animation. This is why I think it was so sporadic. My best guess, is that some idle animation didn't play as default, but somehow had a script condition set, and when it ran, it changed the skeleton base. I mean, that is the best guess I can think of anyways.

 

It was extremely frustrating, but ultimately I haven't had it happen since moving those things around. However, it isn't the first time I 'fixed' it, and it would come back 15-20 minutes into a new game. Currently I'm a good hour into a playthrough though, and it has not resurfaced. I went back to my previous setup (many of the main mods, to be honest, just a few differences) and it never came back.

 

That section of mods (Non-AAF Animations) are the following;

 

"0195","-","Animations (Non-AAF)_separator"

"0196","+","Immersive Animation Framework"

"0197","+","Reanimation Pack for Combat Shotgun and Rifle"

"0198","+","Lowered Weapons"

"0199","+","Better Female Walk"

"0200","+","Girly Animation"

"0201","+","More Girly Animation"

"0202","+","JUST NEW FEMALE ANIMATIONS"

"0203","+","Butt Sleeps - a Sleeping Animation mod"

"0204","+","See you sleep CW - 2.1 Beta"

"0205","+","Female Sexy Sitting and Standing Animation Replacer"

"0206","+","Female PC cute animations without Pip"

"0207","-","Sexy Idle Pose (Busty) Alt"

"0208","+","SneakIdle"

 

The mod that caused this might still be amongst them, as I didn't get RID of any mods, I just started resolving conflicts, get to this section, and moved things around based on the theory that perhaps it was an idle animation. Hope it can help someone one day if they have this and stumble upon this thread.

[Plaguetard2.0]

Disregard. After playing for a couple hours. Making it all the way to Diamond City... the issue has suddenly come back. An exit to desktop and coming back in resolves the issue.

[Plaguetard2.0]

Alright, alright... so I'm just talking to myself here, but hoping this might help someone else. I found another thread (likely seen nearby) on the topic, and it seems it has to do with having a clash of physics between clothing and armor. I've altered MTM 3B OCBP - OCBPC Physics and Collision Preset to simply ignore armor (I previously had armor set to no movement) and have armor act the same way as clothing. After another hour, I haven't seen the issue come up again. This makes sense, as the first time I thought this glitch was somehow being caused by Armorsmith Extended, which was odd since I have it installed on other playthroughs with no issue. Then it still happened, with less frequency, and I thought it was from an idle animation. However, it came back, but with less frequency with another idle animation.

 

So overall, the theory on this is that there is a clash between physics when I had the clothing setup to have physics, but the armor to be firm without physics. Therefore, when looking back, it does appear the issue would happen when I was wearing armor over clothing. With Armorsmith Extended, you get more options to do this, which is why it was happening more frequently. With the idle animation, I think there was less movement, so therefore less "bounce" to occur between the clothing and the armor pieces. I think any time that the clothing was trying to apply physics and the armor was saying no physics, it was basically causing Fallout to have a meltdown and just make the PC torso that was having the conflict just cease to exist.

 

It is probably annoying that I keep posting on this thread, just hoping that perhaps someone with the same issue in the future doesn't spend 4 days trying to fix it like I have, and additionally, perhaps someone with more knowledge can look into the issue. This issue goes beyond my knowledge of xEdit, patching issues, and minor mod configuration.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Plaguetard2.0
clarify what I had previous MTM setting at

[DeathApproaches]

it's probably that you're out of VRAM that's assignable. The texture can fit in the game memory but can't be assigned.

 

There's a few reasons - 1) truly no free VRAM, if you have a small card by 2017 standards, 6 or 8G VRAM say, and you've got a lot of mods, and you have 15 browser windows open, and you have the steam client interface open, and you've got a paint program, a chat program, etc... you could be tanking. close all that crap. 2) you have your .ini tweaked without knowing what settings do what, just "this makes things better!" etc without knowing the impact to view distance and resource consumption and the like. go into your Fallout 4 directory under Documents\My Games and make a subdir called BACKUPS and move all 3 .ini files into there (or copy and then delete, the point being, fire up the game and let it create it's own virginal ones non-tweaked other than low/med/hi/ultra in the loader)

 

I'm going with #1 though since you are getting weird errors like no physics, etc. and that if you exit the game it goes away but then returns.

 

You're out of resources. If however you DO have an 8+ Gig VRAM card or more? Close down whatever else is stealing all your GPU's VRAM. maybe start monitoring what's using up your valuable VRAM... and if you're using ENBs, knock that shit off! I don't know about AMD tools but if you run an Nvidia setup with CUDA support, there will be a handy-dandy text-only logging and monitoring app called 'nvidia-smi.exe' that you run from a cmd.exe prompt... when the game is running, alt-tab over, run a cmd.exe window as administrator, and do nvidia-smi. You'll see just how close to "full" you are when playing... (AMD must have something similar.)

 

re: Physics and armor is up to you, you get to choose, and it's been covered a million times... myself I like to treat armor as non-physic and "solid" and constrain the bits within, but you do you.

Edited March 30, 2023 by DeathApproaches