LemonMan Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 I’ve been having an issue with the way armor bends when my character crouches or sits. It works fine when you start a new game but after reloading a save, the way the ‘skirt’ part of the armor wraps around the character’s body seems to expand and morph into a weird open shape. Here are some screenshots. I do my best to document the problems. https://imgur.com/a/9qvhdAo This bug also happens with female characters. https://imgur.com/a/SAg7EVD I have tried a few things, but I haven’t managed to figure out what the problem is or if anyone else has had a similar problem before. Please help. My Skyrim SE has been downgraded to 1.5.97.0 with the BestofBoth SkyrimCK Downgrade Patcher SKSE is on version: 2.0.20 I am using Vortex Mod Manager I have pasted my load order and list of plugins below. Please inform me if I have failed to provide any other important pieces of information that may be helpful, I’m rather new to this. 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SIC.esp *Ram Horn Witch [SE].esp *Collygon - Niohoggr Warpaints.esp *RSChildren.esp *dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp *Sleeping Expanded.esp *FGCumEffect.esp *UnreadBooksGlow.esp *Use Those Blankets.esp *TimingIsEverything.esp *dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp *EBT - IC PATCH.esp *LunarGuardArmor.esp *[dint] BDO Striker BI.esp *AMatterOfTime.esp *WondersofWeather.esp *3DNPC0.esp *3DNPC1.esp *AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp *Immersive Weapons.esp *male npc overahul se.esp *DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp *OBIS SE.esp *SeranaDialogAddon.esp *SDA Castle Volkihar Rebuilt Patch.esp *SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp *Fort(ified) Dawnguard.esp *Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp *Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp *Hunters Not Bandits.esp *Silent Player SE - Combat-Out Of Breath-Death.esp *SpellAbsorptionAndTwinSoulsFix_SE.esp *Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp *No Leveled Uniques.esp *Unique Uniques.esp *0Kaidan.esp *EnchantAnywhere.esp *BWB - Kaidan 2 Extra Dialogue.esp *Run For Your Lives.esp *Lore Weapon Expansion.esp *WarmongerArmory_SSE.esp *Crimson Blood Armor.esp *SDA DX Crimson Blood Patch.esp *NARC SE for SkyTEST.esp *OBIS SE - 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VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp *Schlongs of Skyrim.esp *Smalls.esp *RaceMenuHH.esp *SPERG_ApocalypsePatch.esp *SPERG_ImmersiveArmorsPatch.esp *SPERG_USSEPPatch.esp *Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp *CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp *CFTO.esp *Immersive Horses.esp *CFTO - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp *NARC SE patch - Immersive Horses.esp *Skyrim Unbound.esp *ELFXEnhancer.esp *RealisticWaterTwo.esp *Atlas Map Markers.esp *Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp Load Order Spoiler # Automatically generated by Vortex Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp iWant Widgets.esl OSA.esm Lanterns Of Skyrim II.esm 3DNPC.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm FlowerGirls SE.esm Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl High Poly Head.esm hypercubeSE.esl FISS.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm Particle Patch for ENB.esp SkyUI_SE.esp Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp MuJointFixToggleSLandOstim.esp TESL-LoadingScreens.esp TESL-LS-AddonMain.esp TESL-LS-Tweaks.esp TESL-LS-VanillaLSRemover.esp Auto Unequip Ammo.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Brows.esp KS Hairdo's.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp FGAnimationSelector.esp FlowerGirlsGearSlots.esp Vivid WeathersSE.esp IcePenguinWorldMap.esp OStim.esp Vivid Weathers - Extended Rain.esp Vivid Weathers SE - Extended Snow.esp Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp NARC SE patch - SIC.esp Ram Horn Witch [SE].esp Collygon - Niohoggr Warpaints.esp RSChildren.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Sleeping Expanded.esp FGCumEffect.esp UnreadBooksGlow.esp Use Those Blankets.esp TimingIsEverything.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp EBT - IC PATCH.esp LunarGuardArmor.esp [dint] BDO Striker BI.esp AMatterOfTime.esp WondersofWeather.esp 3DNPC0.esp 3DNPC1.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp Immersive Weapons.esp male npc overahul se.esp DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp OBIS SE.esp SeranaDialogAddon.esp SDA Castle Volkihar Rebuilt Patch.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp Fort(ified) Dawnguard.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp Hunters Not Bandits.esp Silent Player SE - 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Magic of Skyrim.esp TESL-LS-AddonApocalypse.esp LustmordVampireArmor.esp SDA Lustmord Patch.esp kanospellabsorbtionring.esp StrangeRunes.esp VioLens SE.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp Smalls.esp RaceMenuHH.esp SPERG_ApocalypsePatch.esp SPERG_ImmersiveArmorsPatch.esp SPERG_USSEPPatch.esp Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp CFTO.esp Immersive Horses.esp CFTO - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp NARC SE patch - Immersive Horses.esp Skyrim Unbound.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp Atlas Map Markers.esp Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
traison Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Some of the older (I guess?) versions of SMP has a bug like that where the collision spheres wander or expand (not sure which). Fast-SMP has fixed this.
LemonMan Posted January 21, 2023 Author Posted January 21, 2023 2 hours ago, traison said: Some of the older (I guess?) versions of SMP has a bug like that where the collision spheres wander or expand (not sure which). Fast-SMP has fixed this. I uninstalled HDT-SMP and have tried replacing it with Faster HDT-SMP versions 1.18 and 1.49.3 but the problem persists. So unless I'm doing something wrong, maybe SMP isn't the problem?
traison Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 Could be. You didn't mention whether the skirts were physics enabled, so I didn't have much to go on there. The thing is though that weightpainting as far as I know has never been changing between game instances; and that's the only other thing that affects how meshes move with the characters. I would disable physics entirely here, if nothing else then just to cut out a variable. That is both SMP and CBPC, regarless of how unrelated either may seem.
LemonMan Posted January 21, 2023 Author Posted January 21, 2023 3 hours ago, traison said: Could be. You didn't mention whether the skirts were physics enabled, so I didn't have much to go on there. The thing is though that weightpainting as far as I know has never been changing between game instances; and that's the only other thing that affects how meshes move with the characters. I would disable physics entirely here, if nothing else then just to cut out a variable. That is both SMP and CBPC, regarless of how unrelated either may seem. Yeah, I thought it was super weird that it only affected save files I loaded but didn't have that problem when I created a new character. I did a clean reinstall of the game and redownloaded some of the mods and I think the problem came from Mu Joint Fix (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/61479?tab=files) However, I am still uncertain what is causing the problems or how to fix it without disabling the mod.
traison Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) Mu Joint Fix shows up in a lot of crash logs, probably better off not using it regardless. Edited January 21, 2023 by traison
LemonMan Posted January 21, 2023 Author Posted January 21, 2023 8 hours ago, traison said: Mu Joint Fix shows up in a lot of crash logs, probably better off not using it regardless. Ah snap, guess I'll be stuck with broken knees for a while then. Thanks for the help.
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