Alternative to WW?

[xRina89x]

29 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

 

Go for it. Yeah the WW animations work in DD. 

I tested it and liked it so far? Unfortunately for me it also makes the game slower probably because of MCCC.

I only use MCCC to increase relationships faster. Do you maybe know a single mod that can do that, so that I could maybe leave MCCC out of the game?

Because with DD my game works like before and I don't have any more bugs.

[SoCalExile]

I don't use anything relationship wise other than Etheria's Romance Overhaul. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by SoCalExile

[xRina89x]

Okay, thanks ?I just found something on Patreon that I'm going to test. Anyways thanks for your help ?

[MrGrey]

I've never seen "forced sex" in WW, and I don't believe it's there. Feel free to prove me wrong, however. The "Great High School Bruhahah" has educated me on more than one thing.

[Gambit]

3 hours ago, MrGrey said:

I don't see anything non-consensual in WW or even NWP. Even the "dolls" have free will, they're just mind controlled into liking the owner a lot, and teens were 18-19. You still can't have sex with Lilly Feng without a condom, for example, even if she's a doll

 

A person under influence of drug or mind conditioning or anything else doesn't give any consent.

DD by it self doesn't contain violence, bestiality, or other stuff. You have to add modules for that.

 

[havoc_onion]

Devious Desires doesn't even acknowledge that child or toddler sims exist. You can't even access the settings for DD if your active sim is below Teen. Anyone can build a mod that adds on to another mod. You should ask how TD feels about the fact that on the screenshots I've seen, the child add-ons work by adding onto WW not DD. 

And good grief, claiming that CN is stealing code from any of the spaghetti mess that makes up WW? That's laughable. Have any of you actually looked at the coding style of the two? CN's style doesn't even resemble that mess.

[MrGrey]

The claim that a person has the right to be hostile and insulting because the person they're being hostile to has NOT visited an alleged child porn website is a non sequitor and one questions the rational of such a belief.

 

I thought, from the errors thrown by MCCC and I think IIRC WW that the problem was in DD. What people appeared to say is that DD used WW code. To which folks rightfully asked "where is the proof"? And from the errors thrown, I also wondered "where's the proof of that?" I assumed, because of the ban that LoverSlab put on DD's author, that the code copying was real, tho how you can claim copyright on created material that EA claims for both is ... Well, not my call that's the decision of the LoverSlab moderators. Again, no one here was explained; explanations seemed to be banned as well.

 

Then someone shows a screen shot of a the CNWW mods that depends on the WW mod, CNWW types. Now that would be a legit beef, if someone made a mod of WW that jeopardized WW reputation and thus damaged support of your mod. If it was allowed, EA might shut the whole WW mod  down. We know from EA that they will ban any player who has these mods if they can find them.

 

But that's not DD, that is these CNWW mods that aren't on LoverSlab. DD doesn't require WW. It looked like those CNWW mods did. Clearly DD != CNWW. 

[havoc_onion]

If any of these people throwing the accusations of code stealing took a look at TD's code and then at CN's code they would realize how stupid these allegations are. Decompile a sampling of mods and take a look for yourselves. CN's coding style is elegant and concise. I can't say the same of other popular modders.

[roxx13221]

14 hours ago, xRina89x said:

I tested it and liked it so far? Unfortunately for me it also makes the game slower probably because of MCCC.

I only use MCCC to increase relationships faster. Do you maybe know a single mod that can do that, so that I could maybe leave MCCC out of the game?

Because with DD my game works like before and I don't have any more bugs.

There's UI Cheat Extensions mod, which lets you do lots of things by right clicking the necessary areas. You can also set need sliders by clicking on them too. And right clicking a sim on the relationship tab would let you numerically set the friendship and romance level you want. Not sure if it's a complete subsitute for MCCC, but would fix your problem on relationships.

 

I too think a DD-only game without WW or MCCC would be better, it crashes way less, both game loading and even pie-menu interactions are faster, at least in my case. I currently use WW+DD together on 1.85.203, without MCCC they work out fine, so i keep on enjoying mods that were made for WW while also having the ability to enjoy DD content.

Edited August 4, 2022 by roxx13221

[Simsy McSimsface]

6 hours ago, SoCalExile said:

All the "archives" seem  to be are some reportedly cut screenshots ... I'm seeing TD throw out some bullshit why would I trust the earlier accusations?

UTTER BULL-SH1T! ?
"Reportedly cut screenshots" my arse! Proof of CNs pedo modding past is all up on the Interner Wayback Machine, neatly archived for everyone to see. If anybody's interested, check out the dossier TD compiled on this, the links are all there!

LMAO, what's next, did Turbo faked the archives too? Gimme a break. 

[GreyNaya]

29 minutes ago, The Masked Moddess said:

UTTER BULL-SH1T! ?
"Reportedly cut screenshots" my arse! Proof of CNs pedo modding past is all up on the Interner Wayback Machine, neatly archived for everyone to see. If anybody's interested, check out the dossier TD compiled on this, the links are all there!

LMAO, what's next, did Turbo faked the archives too? Gimme a break. 

I guess, the next option will be about Turbo himself signed up on ATF under the CN's name just to take these pics to discredit him in the future. And more crazier stuff for connoisseurs - CN doesn't exist, it's just the evil side of Turbo. 

To be clear: guys, it's not a guide for action, just a joke, lol.

[sushi]

9 hours ago, The Masked Moddess said:

UTTER BULL-SH1T! ?
"Reportedly cut screenshots" my arse! Proof of CNs pedo modding past is all up on the Interner Wayback Machine, neatly archived for everyone to see. If anybody's interested, check out the dossier TD compiled on this, the links are all there!

LMAO, what's next, did Turbo faked the archives too? Gimme a break. 

Thank you.  I'll give this a read.

[SoCalExile]

10 hours ago, The Masked Moddess said:

UTTER BULL-SH1T! ?
"Reportedly cut screenshots" my arse! Proof of CNs pedo modding past is all up on the Interner Wayback Machine, neatly archived for everyone to see. If anybody's interested, check out the dossier TD compiled on this, the links are all there!

LMAO, what's next, did Turbo faked the archives too? Gimme a break. 

Missed this one. 

Notice the sources sited are the screens themselves, which are clipped. 

 

Also they've edited that document ALOT since it was first released. TD accused CN of being transphobic in it at first based on one post of a much larger discussion and despite the fact that there are openly trans members on that Discord that are treated respectfully. 
 

[Simsy McSimsface]

43 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

Notice the sources sited are the screens themselves, which are clipped. 

"Muh cropped screenshots"... Stop embarrassing yourself. Here, happy now:

1. ATF - CNWW Modules (archived)
2. ATF - CNWW Child Module (archived)
3. ATF - CNWW Toddler Module (archived)
4. ATF - Sims4 Mods Wiki (archived)

By the way, it's none of my business if you guys wanna have a hate-boner for Turbo, whatever, all of you can go and install DD. It's up to you.
But all this "it's just screenshots", and "it's only circumstantial evidence, it could have been another ColonolNutty who made the pedo mods" is getting pretty lame.

 

Edited August 4, 2022 by The Masked Moddess
dead links updated

[SoCalExile]

2 hours ago, SoCalExile said:

 

 

Ok, let's look at this whole internet slapfight logically. I am a person who started playing TS4 after I came to LL for another game. I don't have any connection to CN other than playing DD and being on his Discord, which I'll get to later below:

 

1. DD and it's modules, changes nothing with child or younger sims.

 

2. I have no clue what ATF actually is. Is it actually a pedo site? Or is it an edgelord site much like LL is? Still, it's kinda weird that TD is telling people to make an account there - does he have an account there? What's the history of WW and ATF? There's a lot of context to explore and it's not as simple as, "LOOK A WITCH! BURN THEM!"
 

3. Your archive link has one HUGE PROBLEM: if you look at the history of that archive link, what you posted was taken at 17 Mar 2021 09:54:07 UTC. The archive taken at  17 Mar 2021 09:55:32 UTC and thereafter is where ColonolNutty's alleged mod IS NOT PART OF THE LIST. The only proof of CN being guilty here is are screenshots of a fucking WIKI for JUST ONE DAY. You know, a WIKI where anyone can edit.

 

4. Literally the only accusation of guilt you have with that archive is that ColonolNutty's online name is attributed to a mod on that site. Afterward he's not mentioned because DD doesn't do anything with kids. NisaK and a few others are mentioned, why aren't they getting the same treatment?

 

5. If you go to the main page of that archive, there is a disclaimer: 

- Modifications and additions may have been done to the game and/or existing mods. These changes do not in any way represent the intended functionality of the said game or mod. Original authors of these have not been involved in the process and everything is done without their permission or approval. Do not ask them for any help or support.

According to this ATF Wiki, if it is to be provided as valid evidence at all, says that CN didn't give approval. Well shit, looks like you need more evidence. 

 

But let's for the sake of argument say that CN did a mod like that:

 

1. DD and it's modules, changes nothing with child or younger sims. Nor does it allow sex with a child, toddler, or baby sim. 
 

2. Sims are not people. For some reason people who spend their time on the internet think that pixels have feelings. 
    - Do the Sims for which WW allows "Forced Sex" upon have feeings? Sorry, "forced sex" is literally the definition of rape, which TD criticizes DD for. 
    - Do the children that Sacrificial's mods kill have feelings?

    - Do the Sims that Basemental's mods get addicted to drugs have feelings?
    - Do the Sims that Nisa's mods enable prostitution, or mind-controlled slavery have feelings?

The problem with pedophilia is that a child is exposed to sex before they have the mental acumen to consent or to process sexuality in a healthy manner. Obviously this doesn't apply to Sims. Not to mention that some of y'all might not have an issue with that happening in RL schools. 

3. Your boos mean nothing I've seen what makes you laugh. Yeah, all those really young looking manga/anime/hentais that y'all look at and post on your Discords. And those weird stores y'all tell with Sims. Kinda pervy. Not to mention the aforementioned Toddlers & Tiaras shit on TSR. 

The irony and elephant in the room is that some people that have been influential in regards to gender theory have endorsed or been involved in pedophilia: John Money, Michael Foucault, and Gayle Rubin to name a few. Questioning their research gets you banned in many online circles and certainly on TD/DP's Discords. Double standards abound here. 

4. A few months ago the sheer wailing on this issue peaked my curiosity and I took a look myself: I went on the Discords of those involved in this drama, including CN's. There is no Pedo shit allowed there, and I've seen more disturbing shit on other Discords in my life. CN doesn't comment much other than to help people or direct them to the proper subs. We've discussed grooming and pedos and they get no excuses there. We can act like adults and we can disagree strongly and still be friendly otherwise. It's actually a pretty down-to-earth place. No love for pedos just a few kinks on the internet. 

 

No I've not gone to ATF or the other site and didn't know about them until TD's dossier. He literally told people where to find these mods. Good job TD; bless your heart. ? 

I did get banned from Deaderpool's Discord for wondering out loud (on CN's Discord!) if his Discord was going to follow Reddit in banning of the word "groomer". Oh my' that shows you how obsessed they are with this issue and how fucking nuts they are about 'burning the witch' on this issue. 

Again DD does not allow sex with kids. 

Good Lord we're back to the Satanic Panic mentality here on a video game sex site! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One addendum to this: 

Redemption. 

 

CN, even by TD's own admission, is not currently involved with any mods other than DD, much less any pedo mods. At the worst if these accusations are true, CN repented. 

Yet TD admitted to some shitty things himself, like deliberately breaking other mods, but he want's forgiveness and grace - while the only path to redemption for CN is to stop competing with TD by removing DD, which does nothing regarding kids. That's interesting considering How much  money TD gets off WW. 

[SoCalExile]

2 minutes ago, The Masked Moddess said:

"Muh cropped screenshots"... Stop embarrassing yourself. Here, happy now:

1. ATF - CNWW Modules (archived)
2. ATF - CNWW Child Module (archived)
3. ATF - CNWW Toddler Module (archived)
4. ATF - Sims4 Mods Wiki (archived)

By the way, it's none of my business if you guys wanna have a hate-boner for Turbo, whatever, all of you can go and install DD. It's up to you.
But all this "it's just screenshots", and "it's only circumstantial evidence, it could have been another ColonolNutty who made the pedo mods" is getting pretty lame.

 

Well half of those work, lol. 

 

Read the above. If anyone has a hate-boner it's Turbo himself, considering he's keeping a running document on CN that he's edited quite a lot. 

I guess you would if your $100k+ livelihood was threatened by a hobbyist. 

 

[SoCalExile]

1 minute ago, sushi said:

I used to think it was just young people who like drama.  I mean, they have the most energy for it.  But whooo,  I have seen drama on other platforms, people as old as 60, having feuds that go on for months.

 

At my middle age, I just want some Pepto and a nap.  ?

 

War. War never changes...

[sushi]

1 hour ago, The Masked Moddess said:

"Muh cropped screenshots"... Stop embarrassing yourself. Here, happy now:

1. ATF - CNWW Modules (archived)
2. ATF - CNWW Child Module (archived)
3. ATF - CNWW Toddler Module (archived)
4. ATF - Sims4 Mods Wiki (archived)

By the way, it's none of my business if you guys wanna have a hate-boner for Turbo, whatever, all of you can go and install DD. It's up to you.
But all this "it's just screenshots", and "it's only circumstantial evidence, it could have been another ColonolNutty who made the pedo mods" is getting pretty lame.

 

Right.  I just got through reading everything in Turbo's Google Document also.  If I go Googling for some of these sources(I'm not going into ATF though) I can see CN some of those posts still up on various social media.  And nobody is asking, whether he made the mods p*do back then, or regardless of year, why tf was he on ATF in the first place?  

Turbo must be exhausted from this bs.  I'm exhausted just reading it and he had to sit through it.  I like to look at every side and angle because I'm the kind of person that doesn't like to see any person unfairly accused of anything.  But what I am seeing here, from CN, are the same kind of excuses I've seen from p*dos before.  The same gaslighting tactics(there is study to show that p*do****** and psychopathy have a commonality, so yes, gaslighting) from him.  His fans see him as a very nice and helpful developer, of course, because he's very nice and helpful to them.  So it's easy for these fans to take up his side, repeat all his talking points, and fight for his honor.  Are You a Narcissist's Flying Monkey?  I refuse to be misled and roped up in that bs.  

 

Now they're gonna be mad mad at what I just said.  Well, they can put on a cape and be Supermad.      

[SoCalExile]

11 minutes ago, sushi said:

Right.  I just got through reading everything in Turbo's Google Document also.  If I go Googling for some of these sources(I'm not going into ATF though) I can see CN some of those posts still up on various social media.  And nobody is asking, whether he made the mods p*do back then, or regardless of year, why tf was he on ATF in the first place?  

Turbo must be exhausted from this bs.  I'm exhausted just reading it and he had to sit through it.  I like to look at every side and angle because I'm the kind of person that doesn't like to see any person unfairly accused of anything.  But what I am seeing here, from CN, are the same kind of excuses I've seen from p*dos before.  The same gaslighting tactics(there is study to show that p*do****** and psychopathy have a commonality, so yes, gaslighting) from him.  His fans see him as a very nice and helpful developer, of course, because he's very nice and helpful to them.  So it's easy for these fans to take up his side, repeat all his talking points, and fight for his honor.  Are You a Narcissist's Flying Monkey?  I refuse to be misled and roped up in that bs.  

 

Now they're gonna be mad mad at what I just said.  Well, they can put on a cape and be Supermad.      

 

Let me ask you this: why is WW still being used by the ATF crowd; why aren't they using DD? Why hasn't Turbo gone after them with the same energy, or sent them a cease and desist letter? Instead, he goes after something that isn't pedo but is more of a direct competitor for Sims sex animations. 

 

Maybe it's not actually about pedophilia?

 

ETA: for the record CN himself really isn't urging anyone to fight for him. He's kinda given up and is just focused on DD or whatever. It's really Turbo and his fans that are really keeping the fire lit on this. 

 

Hey, use whatever mod floats your boat. DD or it's modules don't do pedo shit so it's all moot anyway. 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2022 by SoCalExile

[Rose Princess]

5 hours ago, sushi said:

Right.  I just got through reading everything in Turbo's Google Document also.  If I go Googling for some of these sources(I'm not going into ATF though) I can see CN some of those posts still up on various social media.  And nobody is asking, whether he made the mods p*do back then, or regardless of year, why tf was he on ATF in the first place?  

Turbo must be exhausted from this bs.  I'm exhausted just reading it and he had to sit through it.  I like to look at every side and angle because I'm the kind of person that doesn't like to see any person unfairly accused of anything.  But what I am seeing here, from CN, are the same kind of excuses I've seen from p*dos before.  The same gaslighting tactics(there is study to show that p*do****** and psychopathy have a commonality, so yes, gaslighting) from him.  His fans see him as a very nice and helpful developer, of course, because he's very nice and helpful to them.  So it's easy for these fans to take up his side, repeat all his talking points, and fight for his honor.  Are You a Narcissist's Flying Monkey?  I refuse to be misled and roped up in that bs.  

 

Now they're gonna be mad mad at what I just said.  Well, they can put on a cape and be Supermad.      

 

I just wanted to quote this because it's pretty much exactly how I feel whenever I see this topic come up. I don't post this to pick fights either - I just don't really understand, in all honesty. I don't really want to argue either, since at the end of the day it's not like my feelings have more weight than anyone else's.

Also apologies if any of this sounds rude or passive aggressive, I'm not great at wording my thoughts.

 

There's proof that CN worked on a mod that enabled sex functions for child and toddler sims. According to the screenshots and archived posts in Turbo's doc, CN even started coding this pedophilic mod to suit his own interests when the initial programmer lapsed in updating it. Also, as the above poster said: Why was he on a forum for pedophiles in the first place? ATF's entire purpose is to be a site for pedophiles to engage in that behavior since they're (rightfully) shunned everywhere else.

 

So this is the part I guess I don't understand: Regardless of whether or not DD has pedophilia in it directly...Why would you want to defend a mod that's maintained by someone who has expressed pedophilic interests at all? I guess I get people arguing 'fiction isn't reality' but it feels weird to me to handwave the sexualization of children like that whether they're pixels or not. It also feels weird considering that, like...Someone who has an interest in pedophilia doesn't exactly stop having those desires. Even if his mod doesn't contain pedophilia, CN still has interest in pedophilic kinks and whenever this WW vs DD argument comes up people are willing to jump in on the behalf of someone like that. 

 

Maybe some people can handwave his interests since it's not directly related to his mod but for me (and I believe some others?) it's just not really possible. I flip-flopped between using DD - before the pedophilia stuff came to light - as I would enjoy the lactation stuff, but I just really can't stomach using it knowing what I do now. I'm sure there are people that can and actively want to continue using DD for the integration of their kinks into Sims 4 - and that's their choice, I suppose. I'll just play something else if I want access to lactation stuff - I don't need to play the Sims 4 to indulge in it. ?‍♀️

Edited August 5, 2022 by Rose Princess
correcting typos

[xRina89x]

On 8/4/2022 at 8:51 AM, roxx13221 said:

There's UI Cheat Extensions mod, which lets you do lots of things by right clicking the necessary areas. You can also set need sliders by clicking on them too. And right clicking a sim on the relationship tab would let you numerically set the friendship and romance level you want. Not sure if it's a complete subsitute for MCCC, but would fix your problem on relationships.

 

I too think a DD-only game without WW or MCCC would be better, it crashes way less, both game loading and even pie-menu interactions are faster, at least in my case. I currently use WW+DD together on 1.85.203, without MCCC they work out fine, so i keep on enjoying mods that were made for WW while also having the ability to enjoy DD content.

Oh that sounds good, Thanks !

I still haven't figured out what's making my game slower. I had MCCC out of the game but it keeps getting stuck every few seconds in live mode and my Sims icons have disappeared.

I have to see what could be causing it. But you have a lot more options than in WW, it's a lot more complex I've seen.

[SoCalExile]

1 hour ago, xRina89x said:

Oh that sounds good, Thanks !

I still haven't figured out what's making my game slower. I had MCCC out of the game but it keeps getting stuck every few seconds in live mode and my Sims icons have disappeared.

I have to see what could be causing it. But you have a lot more options than in WW, it's a lot more complex I've seen.

 

I dumped WW/MCCC and just use DD. I don't have performance issues in game and it loads much faster. 

Some have reported that to fully get rid of WW you have to reinstall. I haven't so I can't confirm. 

[SoCalExile]

10 hours ago, Rose Princess said:

 

I just wanted to quote this because it's pretty much exactly how I feel whenever I see this topic come up. I don't post this to pick fights either - I just don't really understand, in all honesty. I don't really want to argue either, since at the end of the day it's not like my feelings have more weight than anyone else's.

Also apologies if any of this sounds rude or passive aggressive, I'm not great at wording my thoughts.

 

There's proof that CN worked on a mod that enabled sex functions for child and toddler sims. According to the screenshots and archived posts in Turbo's doc, CN even started coding this pedophilic mod to suit his own interests when the initial programmer lapsed in updating it. Also, as the above poster said: Why was he on a forum for pedophiles in the first place? ATF's entire purpose is to be a site for pedophiles to engage in that behavior since they're (rightfully) shunned everywhere else.

 

So this is the part I guess I don't understand: Regardless of whether or not DD has pedophilia in it directly...Why would you want to defend a mod that's maintained by someone who has expressed pedophilic interests at all? I guess I get people arguing 'fiction isn't reality' but it feels weird to me to handwave the sexualization of children like that whether they're pixels or not. It also feels weird considering that, like...Someone who has an interest in pedophilia doesn't exactly stop having those desires. Even if his mod doesn't contain pedophilia, CN still has interest in pedophilic kinks and whenever this WW vs DD argument comes up people are willing to jump in on the behalf of someone like that. 

 

Maybe some people can handwave his interests since it's not directly related to his mod but for me (and I believe some others?) it's just not really possible. I flip-flopped between using DD - before the pedophilia stuff came to light - as I would enjoy the lactation stuff, but I just really can't stomach using it knowing what I do now. I'm sure there are people that can and actively want to continue using DD for the integration of their kinks into Sims 4 - and that's their choice, I suppose. I'll just play something else if I want access to lactation stuff - I don't need to play the Sims 4 to indulge in it. ?‍♀️

 

 

Bottom line is that DD isn't pedo nor do I want to simulate that. That makes the drama irrelevant IMO. 

 

The alternative is a bloated program run by someone acting like an online Karen trying to dictate what I do in my games by directly breaking mods and creating a huge controversy to cancel anyone that threatens his weird perverted little empire. I'd rather just not deal  with that and just use DD which is just a simple reliable mod. 

[Guest]

Anything created by Colonel Nutty is highly dubious and suspect. He creates a framework which has the potential to be used and abused illegally. WW has no such loopholes or devious/criminal potential.

Teens in the Sims 4 are depicted physically as adults, so 'Inappropriate Unlock' is for those of us who want to RP in a fantasy environment. No animals and certainly no children.

 

DD is a mod you want to stay away from.

[LavenderCat]

1 hour ago, Winter Soul said:

Anything created by Colonel Nutty is highly dubious and suspect. He creates a framework which has the potential to be used and abused illegally. WW has no such loopholes or devious/criminal potential.

Teens in the Sims 4 are depicted physically as adults, so 'Inappropriate Unlock' is for those of us who want to RP in a fantasy environment. No animals and certainly no children.

 

DD is a mod you want to stay away from.

This is starting to give me a headache and make me feel like a broken record.

Please give us proof that his mod allows for children to partake in adult acts.

ATF likely modifies both mods (WW and DD), but only one of them has been confirmed to be ATF's go-to (Wicked Whims is the one mainly used by ATF).

Both CN and TD make a framework mod that has the potential to be used illegally, the only difference is CN knows he can only do so much without totally bricking the games of people who use his mod.

One is not really better than the other, it's just a matter of which author you prefer or what fetishes you'd like in your game.

Also, "philia"s are different from "fetishes".