How to avoid sims doing gay stuff?

[morten rud]

Hey all
I am fine with all LGBT relationships. But I find it annoying that very often my straight male SIMS will blowing off each other in scenarios with more than one man in like 3somes .... How can I avoid this?

[Scorpio]

35 minutes ago, morten rud said:

Hey all
I am fine with all LGBT relationships. But I find it annoying that very often my straight male SIMS will blowing off each other in scenarios with more than one man in like 3somes .... How can I avoid this?

Hard to avoid them as there are so many MFM/MMF Animations available for use, plus the other ones for orgies with more than 3P.

 

But you can pause the game and shift+click on one of the Sims and use the Wicked > Sex > Disable for Autonomy cheat to turn them off as needed so they won't play again.

 

The only other way is by changing the WW settings to follow strict gender rules but this method only allows 2P sex with no 3P or Group Sex.  

[SkyBarbie]

Adding to what Scorpio said, I feel your pain!  This has been a struggle for me since WW was released.

 

The core of the problem is animation authors not following the guidelines that Turbodriver set for WW animations.  I've had several discussions with Turbodriver about this issue.

 

There is an animation.xml file in the .package file of each WW animation mod.  This xml sets who can be in what position and role.  There is a B flag that signals that either gender can fill the role.  The B flag is heavily abused/misused by many authors.  Many authors setup their animations to be bisexual and homosexual.

 

Turbodriver has bent over backwards numerous times trying to fix exactly what you are describing!  He has done everything possible on his end to solve this issue.  It is the animation authors that are the problem!

 

Avoid animation mods from these authors:  Anarcis, GamerBoy - they are the worst offenders.  I don't use their animation mods anymore.

 

You can also configure WW to avoid the issue but you will end up disabling or not using over 50% of your installed animations.

 

For example, in the Dynamic Animation Disabler option, you can disable all bisexual and homosexual animations (see attached image).

 

There are lots of other settings you can set to avoid this issue, however it will greatly decrease the number of available animations.  I have 12,000+ animations installed in my game and I only use 25% of them due to only wanting heterosexual sex.

 

You can try my WW settings and import them.  I've become somewhat of an expert at configuring WW to make it work the way I want it to.  Copy the file to /WickedWhimsMod/WickedWhimsSettings/ and Import it.

My_Sexy_Settings_1_general.json

[SkyBarbie]

There will always be a few animations that will slip through and you will have to disable manually.  This is a pain but necessary.  I've manually disabled 200+ animations.  In nearly every case, the animation author used the B flag for every role and position.

 

There is an option in WW where you can set the functionality of the B flag to female only.  I don't recommend doing this however as it can cause other problems.

 

I feel your pain!  Let us know how it goes...

[SkyBarbie]

1 hour ago, morten rud said:

Hey all
I am fine with all LGBT relationships. But I find it annoying that very often my straight male SIMS will blowing off each other in scenarios with more than one man in like 3somes .... How can I avoid this?

After reading your post again, I have some bad news.  You won't be able to have LGBT relationships/sex AND have your straight Sims only have heterosexual sex.  It just isn't possible currently.  You can have one or the other but not both - All Sims being bisexual or all sims being heterosexual.

 

Again, the reason for this is the misuse of the B flag in many authors WW animation mods.  They are to blame for this mess.

[Scorpio]

28 minutes ago, SkyBarbie said:

After reading your post again, I have some bad news.  You won't be able to have LGBT relationships/sex AND have your straight Sims only have heterosexual sex.  It just isn't possible currently.  You can have one or the other but not both - All Sims being bisexual or all sims being heterosexual.

Yes it can be done with 2 WW gender rules settings but you have to give up on using any group sex.

Sex pairs are then determined by individual Sims gender settings so you can still have MM, MF, & FF.

 

However the bad tags in some animations will still allow MM pairs to use MF animations and FF pairs to use them also which is rather dumb IMO. 

[Khlas]

58 minutes ago, SkyBarbie said:

After reading your post again, I have some bad news.  You won't be able to have LGBT relationships/sex AND have your straight Sims only have heterosexual sex.  It just isn't possible currently.  You can have one or the other but not both - All Sims being bisexual or all sims being heterosexual.

 

This is not true  I have straight and gay sims in my game, and never had any issues. You just have to remove wrongly tagged animations and set sims preferences accordingly.

Animators tag their animations as bisexual because probably patrons asking bisexual or gay stuff, I dunno, however most of those animations aren't even suited for gay or bisexual intercourse anyway, so better to just remove them (it's obviously made for futa females instead).

Edited April 4, 2022 by Khlas

[Khlas]

6 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Yes it can be done with 2 WW gender rules settings but you have to give up on using any group sex.

Sex pairs are then determined by individual Sims gender settings so you can still have MM, MF, & FF.

 

However the bad tags in some animations will still allow MM pairs to use MF animations and FF pairs to use them also which is rather dumb IMO. 

 

This is an issue when animator force themselves to do something they don't want, so they tag random animations to let pretend they do animations for everything, which in fact is not even true.

There's a lot of animations tagged as both or even M/M where males are touching their non-existant vagina. No one like these animations.

[Scorpio]

7 minutes ago, Khlas said:

This is an issue when animator force themselves to do something they don't want, so they tag random animations to let pretend they do animations for everything, which in fact is not even true.

There's a lot of animations tagged as both or even M/M where males are touching their non-existant vagina. No one like these animations.

True, and it's been going on for years but I think it's become even worse over time and I think some authors just like to have their animations play more often or are too lazy to make new animations specifically for MM & FF ONLY.

I don't like to disable so many good MF animations just because they are tagged for both so I tend to just stick with straight sex sims.

 

FF pairs using Strap-Ons just allows them to use existing MF animations which is just a cop out and an unrealistic Porn Hub Fantasy.

And then with my MF pair the female equips a Strap On to have anal sex with the Male.

A more realistic fetish would be her using a butt-plug or dildo on him instead rather than the over used Strap Ons.    

[morten rud]

Hey folks
First of all thanks for not boxing me as homophobe... lol
Second thanks for your input... I see we are pretty much in same situation... I am not the only one doing the hard choices whether to keep animations or not...

[SkyBarbie]

2 hours ago, Khlas said:

 

This is not true  I have straight and gay sims in my game, and never had any issues. You just have to remove wrongly tagged animations and set sims preferences accordingly.

Animators tag their animations as bisexual because probably patrons asking bisexual or gay stuff, I dunno, however most of those animations aren't even suited for gay or bisexual intercourse anyway, so better to just remove them (it's obviously made for futa females instead).

Wrong.  You can only do this if you disable group sex and only allow Sim pairs to have sex (MF as an example).

[Khlas]

30 minutes ago, SkyBarbie said:

Wrong.  You can only do this if you disable group sex and only allow Sim pairs to have sex (MF as an example).

 

No. It's an issue with some animations only because as you said they are wrongly tagged. It never happens with perfectly tagged animations, unless you did something wrong in your end. (for example, you activated an option where you have to set gender manually, but this is not necessarily the only reason).
the tag B means both, not bisexual, some animators use it as if it was bisexual, which is not the case, so you will need to remove those animations. Because if you set your sim as straight and there's a B tag, WW will pick your sim thinking it's for both gender, while the animator wanted to make it as bisexual, but it doesn't work like that.

With correctly tagged animations, you will never see a male straight doing gay things, because WW will check if there's any F gender for anything, group sex included.  I'm sorry you are running with this issue, but it's something wrong with your settings or the animations you installed.

 

An animation can perfectly be tagged as M/M/F but have the male doing gay things, since the animator decided to animate it like this. However, if perfectly tagged, he should have added BISEXUAL as hidden tag which prevent the animation to be played for straight sims you set in the attraction system yourself.

 

As an example, my animations will never be played by straight sims or females randomly unless YOU decided it that way (aka activating anything goes settings for example).

 

1 hour ago, morten rud said:

Hey folks
First of all thanks for not boxing me as homophobe... lol
Second thanks for your input... I see we are pretty much in same situation... I am not the only one doing the hard choices whether to keep animations or not...

 

To be honest, people could also ask animators directly so they could fix their animations. 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Khlas

[SkyBarbie]

4 minutes ago, Khlas said:

 

No. It's an issue with some animations only because as you said they are wrongly tagged. It never happens with perfectly tagged animations, unless you did something wrong in your end. (for example, you activated an option where you have to set gender manually, but this is not necessarily the only reason).
the tag B means both, not bisexual, some animators use it as if it was bisexual, which is not the case, so you will need to remove those animations.

 

 

To be honest, people could also ask animators directly so they could fix their animations. 

Based on my observations 75% of animations are improperly tagged (3+ Sims).  That is a huge amount of animations to manually disable.  So saying that you never had a problem simply isn't realistic.  You would have had to disable hundreds if not thousands of animations after you have your WW settings and Sims settings perfectly tuned.

 

Yes, the B flag indicated both genders. B = Both.  I never said otherwise.

 

Even with using the 'Dynamic Animations Disable' feature in WW (disabling all HO and BI animations) and setting WW to only use the preferred role/gender, I still spend lots of hours manually disabling animations.  If you only have a few animations installed this may be easy as you suggest.  If you have 12,000+ animations installed like I do it is a completely different story and experience.

 

If you only want Sim pairs and not group sex, then the job is MUCH easier!  I want group sex - heterosexual only.  I am continually disabling animations that put my Sims in homosexual or bisexual roles/positions.

 

I even run the following WW console command to ensure that all my Sims are heterosexual:  ww.preference_hetero 100 all

I run that command once per game session to make sure.

 

Anarcis and GamerBoy are the worst offenders when it comes to improperly tagged animations.  I no longer use these animation mods.

 

The bottom line is that the vast majority of animation authors do not follow Turbodriver's recommendations when it comes to the animation.xml files.  I've had several conversations with Turbodriver and he told me, "The animations authors don't listen, I've told them several times how to configure them properly."

 

Turbodriver has bent over backwards trying to fix the issue.  He has done everything possible to solve the problem aside from re-writing the animation.xml files for all WW animation mods.  This would be a monumental task!  Since many authors are still active, it would have to be constantly updated.  I've tried fixing some of the animation.xml files and it is extremely boring and tedious.  I gave up after a while.

[Khlas]

16 minutes ago, SkyBarbie said:

Based on my observations 75% of animations are improperly tagged (3+ Sims).  That is a huge amount of animations to manually disable.  So saying that you never had a problem simply isn't realistic.  You would have had to disable hundreds if not thousands of animations after you have your WW settings and Sims settings perfectly tuned.

 

Yes, the B flag indicated both genders. B = Both.  I never said otherwise.

 

Even with using the 'Dynamic Animations Disable' feature in WW (disabling all HO and BI animations) and setting WW to only use the preferred role/gender, I still spend lots of hours manually disabling animations.  If you only have a few animations installed this may be easy as you suggest.  If you have 12,000+ animations installed like I do it is a completely different story and experience.

 

If you only want Sim pairs and not group sex, then the job is MUCH easier!  I want group sex - heterosexual only.  I am continually disabling animations that put my Sims in homosexual or bisexual roles/positions.

 

I even run the following WW console command to ensure that all my Sims are heterosexual:  ww.preference_hetero 100 all

I run that command once per game session to make sure.

 

Anarcis and GamerBoy are the worst offenders when it comes to improperly tagged animations.  I no longer use these animation mods.

 

The bottom line is that the vast majority of animation authors do not follow Turbodriver's recommendations when it comes to the animation.xml files.  I've had several conversations with Turbodriver and he told me, "The animations authors don't listen, I've told them several times how to configure them properly."

 

Turbodriver has bent over backwards trying to fix the issue.  He has done everything possible to solve the problem aside from re-writing the animation.xml files for all WW animation mods.  This would be a monumental task!  Since many authors are still active, it would have to be constantly updated.  I've tried fixing some of the animation.xml files and it is extremely boring and tedious.  I gave up after a while.

 

So why are you saying I'm wrong when you just said what I say? You just proved my point. It's animations issues. A lot of animators does not use the hidden tags for their animations. It's the same tag that are used for context and function, which are necessary for WW to use the genders features correctly.

The XML does not need any recoding, animators just need to be aware.

 

Edit : removed the list of tags because it's on the site so redundant. But the homosexual tag is actually useful to prevent straight playing those animations for example.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Khlas

[SkyBarbie]

1 hour ago, Khlas said:

 

So why are you saying I'm wrong when you just said what I say? You just proved my point. It's animations issues. A lot of animators does not use the hidden tags for their animations. It's the same tag that are used for context and function, which are necessary for WW to use the genders features correctly.

The XML does not need any recoding, animators just need to be aware.

 

Edit : removed the list of tags because it's on the site so redundant. But the homosexual tag is actually useful to prevent straight playing those animations for example.

Mostly yes, but you've made some incorrect statements like saying you didn't have any issues (saying that I was wrong) and then admitting that there were lots of issues with the animation mods.  It can't be both.

 

You made an additional incorrect statement in your last message, "The XML does not need any recoding, animators just need to be aware."

 

This is false.  Turbodriver released a console command to help disable "ambiguous" animations such as those which overuse/misuse the B flag (both genders can fill the position/role):

 

ww.disable_ambiguous_animations

 

It looks at the animation.xml file to determine which animations to disable.  So your statement is false.

 

I'm not trying to continue an argument here, I just don't like misinformation. 

[Khlas]

5 hours ago, SkyBarbie said:

Mostly yes, but you've made some incorrect statements like saying you didn't have any issues (saying that I was wrong) and then admitting that there were lots of issues with the animation mods.  It can't be both.

 

You made an additional incorrect statement in your last message, "The XML does not need any recoding, animators just need to be aware."

 

This is false.  Turbodriver released a console command to help disable "ambiguous" animations such as those which overuse/misuse the B flag (both genders can fill the position/role):

 

ww.disable_ambiguous_animations

 

It looks at the animation.xml file to determine which animations to disable.  So your statement is false.

 

I'm not trying to continue an argument here, I just don't like misinformation. 

Hmm I think you don’t understand what I wrote because I don’t have those issues in game since I don’t use such bad tagged animations. 
 

and this is not a xml recoding at all. The xml hasn’t changed since decades. It’s called a workaround to fix a mess created by animators themselves. So I’m nowhere to be wrong just because you want it to be. 
 

you were the one sharing misinformation by saying it’s not possible to play group sex while having both heterosexual sims and homosexual sims in the game, which is not true. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Khlas

[SkyBarbie]

9 hours ago, Khlas said:

Hmm I think you don’t understand what I wrote because I don’t have those issues in game since I don’t use such bad tagged animations. 
 

and this is not a xml recoding at all. The xml hasn’t changed since decades. It’s called a workaround to fix a mess created by animators themselves. So I’m nowhere to be wrong just because you want it to be. 
 

you were the one sharing misinformation by saying it’s not possible to play group sex while having both heterosexual sims and homosexual sims in the game, which is not true. 

You really aren't worth talking to at this point because you keep making stuff up.  If you don't know what you are talking about you shouldn't call people out.

 

Nearly every author has badly tagged animations.  It is unavoidable if you have even a small amount of animations installed.  You are living in fairyland.  You are OK with homosexual and bisexual animations so you don't see a problem in your game.

 

No, you are completely wrong about the animation XML files.  There is an XML file with each animation mod packaged in the .package file.  You obviously aren't aware of this.  Attached are two images of animation XML files from two different authors.  As you can see, they are unique and completely different.  There is your proof.

 

I didn't share any misinformation.  I'm still not able to play group sex with heterosexual Sims without one or more Sims being put in a homosexual or bisexual role.  I'm still manually disabling lots of badly coded animations.  I've sunk over 20 hours in it and I'm still not there yet.  So yes, for the vast majority of people it isn't possible without a huge time investment.  There is no turn key solution for this currently.  The only turn key solution is to only allow Sim pairs to have sex which isn't an acceptable solution in my opinion as you end up eliminating 90% or more of your installed animations.  I don't mention this solution to players because I don't view it as an acceptable solution that players are willing to live with.

 

Until you know what you are talking about, which you clearly don't, please stop telling people that they are wrong.

[Matthewn]

@SkyBarbie Khlas likely has more experience than you in this domain. Stop being pretentious. Khlas is an animator himself, he knows all of those. You are just a random user bringing nothing to this forum other than trying to gives argument to an experienced animator. You are like a karen trying to tell how modding is done to a modder. This is incredibly stupid. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Matthewn

[Khlas]

17 hours ago, SkyBarbie said:

You really aren't worth talking to at this point because you keep making stuff up.  If you don't know what you are talking about you shouldn't call people out.

 

Nearly every author has badly tagged animations.  It is unavoidable if you have even a small amount of animations installed.  You are living in fairyland.  You are OK with homosexual and bisexual animations so you don't see a problem in your game.

 

No, you are completely wrong about the animation XML files.  There is an XML file with each animation mod packaged in the .package file.  You obviously aren't aware of this.  Attached are two images of animation XML files from two different authors.  As you can see, they are unique and completely different.  There is your proof.

 

I didn't share any misinformation.  I'm still not able to play group sex with heterosexual Sims without one or more Sims being put in a homosexual or bisexual role.  I'm still manually disabling lots of badly coded animations.  I've sunk over 20 hours in it and I'm still not there yet.  So yes, for the vast majority of people it isn't possible without a huge time investment.  There is no turn key solution for this currently.  The only turn key solution is to only allow Sim pairs to have sex which isn't an acceptable solution in my opinion as you end up eliminating 90% or more of your installed animations.  I don't mention this solution to players because I don't view it as an acceptable solution that players are willing to live with.

 

Until you know what you are talking about, which you clearly don't, please stop telling people that they are wrong.

 

It's true that I don't know everything in this world, however this is my workspace, I'm working with XML every fucking days. While I'm trying to help you explaining the reason why it happens in your game, you have the audacity to bring your false knowledge no one asked for.

I'm an animator, I'm literally doing XML myself. I didn't want to answer but since you are even more spreading more lies...

Please, learn how XML works because you seems to have no clue. Those examples you shared are the same XML format, which are used for every animations package. XML are used to interact with wickedwhims, they can't used different functions than what WW can use, so they can't use anything more than what WW can use. 

The only difference you saw on these XML are muted script lines that are not used to call functions with WW. Adding " <--- blablabla ---> will not make it a different XML. Or functions that one xml use and another one does not use because it doesn’t need it. But every XML can use the same call functions to interact with WW. Every animators can add the tag "homosexual" to fix their animations with bisexual or gay intercourse in them. Every animators can remove the "BOTH" gender in their xml snippet.

Example :



As I said, my animations, for example, will never be played with straight sims unless you want it to be. Threesome, orgy or anything does not matter, it will never happen because it's properly tagged. So an user can have both heteroexual and homosexual sims in their games without having the straight sims doing gay things with properly tagged animations installed. Something you said wasn't possible.

In one of your example, Ozzy does not even use the animations_tags in their snippet. Obviously his animations will have issues with gender if he creates gay or bisexual animations, and it's the animator's fault, not WW.

Recoding how XML will make every animations break. Turbo added already everything to prevent such situation to happens, animators just don't use them properly. What he provided is a workaround for users to somewhat fix animator's mess. But the XML format never changed other than having more features through the year. 

The only thing that does not work is if you have a bisexual male and a straight female, and you try to play a MMF threesome with the homosexual tag. Since the female is straight, the animation will not be able to be played afaik, unless you changed the ww settings accordingly. But since most of these animations aren't tagged as such, they tend to be played for straight sims anyway. which is what your issue seems to be.

I think one of the reason why you are stuck with your issue, it's because you seems obstinated with what you think is true. I'm afraid no one can help you in this matter. 

Edited April 6, 2022 by Khlas

[SkyBarbie]

On 4/5/2022 at 6:16 AM, Matthewn said:

@SkyBarbie Khlas likely has more experience than you in this domain. Stop being pretentious. Khlas is an animator himself, he knows all of those. You are just a random user bringing nothing to this forum other than trying to gives argument to an experienced animator. You are like a karen trying to tell how modding is done to a modder. This is incredibly stupid. 

I'm afraid that you are the one being pretentious.  You don't know my knowledge, experience, or expertise.  Just because someone is an author doesn't mean that they are right.

 

You've made several stupid assumptions.  I guess I'll be ignoring you as well.  Don't assume things you don't have first hand knowledge of.  Facts are facts and the truth in on my side.  You clearly don't have the knowledge or expertise to know the difference so you shouldn't get involved, sad.

[DoctaSax]

Thread closed due to pointless bickering.