U-Wing Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 While in Geirmund's Hall I suddenly became unable to load from a save file without an immediate CTD after a certain point. To be clear, I have a save that I can load to, but after that certain point, any save I make will cause a CTD if I attempt to load from it. Also, interestingly, Re-saver keeps erroring out and telling me it can't read the Papyrus section of the save file, to include the one that I can load to successfully in game. I have disabled auto-update from Steam but my Skrim version is 1.6.353. SKSE is 2.1.5. FNIS version is 7.6. Though I do have papyrus logging enabled withinin Skyrim.ini it does not seem to generate a log on the CTD...my guess is because it never makes it into the game. I have verified integrity of game files from Steam, used SSEedit, and LOOT. I have also used Wrye bash to create a bash patch. I have also attempted to load one of the affected saves from the test room (specific name?) accessible from the main menu, but it still CTDs. Any assistance would be appreciated. I have a sneaking suspicion it is because I have a few *cough* too many mods, but before I start digging I was hoping to get some confirmation on that. Below is my mod list: Active Mod Files: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 Hearthfires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm 06 ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl 07 ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl 08 ccBGSSSE056-BA_Silver.esl 09 ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm 0A RSkyrimChildren.esm 0B Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp [Version 4.2.6a] 0C EFFCore.esm 0D ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 0E Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 0F LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm 10 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm 11 SMSkyrim.esp [Version 5.1.6] 12 BBLuxurySuite.esm 13 Campfire.esm 14 Falskaar.esm 15 FlowerGirls SE.esm 16 Wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.19.8] 17 FlowerGirls SE Threesome Fix.esl 18 ApachiiHair.esm 19 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 1A OSA.esm 1B SkyUI_SE.esp 1C Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp [Version 3.1] 1D SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp 1E Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp 1F Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 20 Immersive Wenches.esp 21 NSUTR_bugfixes.esp 22 NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp 23 NSUTR_improvements.esp 24 Better Dynamic Snow.esp 25 AOS_ISC_Integration.esp 26 FlowerGirls SE - Maids II Deception.esp 27 FlowerGirls SE - IW Patch.esp 28 FlowerGirls SE - Bathing Beauties Patch.esp 29 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 2A Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 2B The Flora of Skyrim Trees SSE.esp 2C ELFX - Exteriors.esp 2D ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp 2E iNeed.esp 2F iNeed - Extended.esp 30 ELFX Fixes.esp 31 Immersive Weapons.esp 32 AI Overhaul.esp 33 VioLens SE.esp [Version 2.30] 34 RaceMenu.esp 35 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 36 DBM_ISC_Patch.esp 37 DBM_RSChildren_Patch.esp 38 DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp 39 FNIS.esp 3A Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp 3B ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp 3C ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L3.esp 3D SimplyKnock.esp 3E FalskaarRSChildrenPatch.esp 3F RSC Falskaar Patch.esp 40 Falskaar - Bug Fixes.esp 41 Campfire BDS Patch.esp 42 Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp 43 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 44 FGCumEffect.esp 45 Falskaar - iNeed Patch.esp 46 Keep It Clean - Falskaar patch.esp 47 TFoS Aspens Yellow large SSE.esp 48 TFoS Aspens RAT large SSE.esp 49 Myrkvior Ablaze.esp 4A RaceMenuHH.esp 4B LazyTools.esp 4C SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp [Version 1.0] 4D SMSkyrim - Meshes.esp [Version 1.1] 4E DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp 4F CampfireLover.esp 50 EMHearthfireMoveKidsfix.esp 51 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 52 TouringCarriages.esp 53 Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 3.1.11] 54 RealisticRoomRental.esp 55 Combat Evolved.esp 56 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 57 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp [Version v7.0.2] 58 EBT - IC PATCH.esp 59 RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp 5A Helgen Reborn.esp [Version 106] 5B Solitude Expansion.esp 5C TFoS Large Juniper trees in the Reach SSE.esp 5D BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp 5E SeranaDialogAddon.esp 5F Original Opening Scene.esp 60 ELFX - Weathers.esp 61 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp 62 WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp 63 Opening Scene Overhaul Patch.esp 64 MarriageModSE.esp 65 SIC ACE Patch.esp 66 CBBE.esp 67 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 68 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_WACCF_Patch.esp 69 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp 6A Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp 6B Keep It Clean.esp 6C RRR_Keep it Clean Patch.esp 6D BDS_FSK_WYR.esp 6E More idle markers.esp 6F moonpath.esp 70 JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp 71 CRF - Lighting Overhaul.esp 72 BetterDynamicSnow_PATCH.esp 73 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 4.0.3] 74 High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition.esp [Version 1.6SE] 75 Cloaks.esp 76 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 77 MilkSSE.esp 78 DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp 79 Inigo.esp 7A DBM_SolitudeExpansion_Patch.esp 7B TFoS Trees of Whiterun Tundra SSE.esp 7C SE - Better Docks Patch.esp 7D Arcanum.esp 7E Immersive Patrols II.esp 7F Frostfall.esp 80 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 81 SDA-AA Patch.esp 82 SofiaFollower.esp 83 DBM_IW_Patch.esp 84 TFoS Trees and Plants of Whiterun SSE.esp 85 Solitude Expansion Navmesh Fixes.esp 86 DBM_ELFXExteriors_Patch.esp 87 DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp 88 AOS_EBT Patch.esp 89 Vilja Re-Imagined SE.esp 8A Falskaar - Better Dynamic Snow Patch.esp 8B CRF_RSChildrenPatch.esp 8C RSChildren.esp [Version 1.2.0.] 8D RSC CRF Patch.esp 8E RSChildren + AI Overhaul Patch.esp 8F RSC HR Patch.esp 90 HelgenRebornRSChildrenPatch.esp 91 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 92 High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition - Falskaar.esp [Version 1.6SE] 93 USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp 94 IW_AIOverhaul_Patch.esp 95 Keep it Clean - RRR.esp 96 Moonpath Music - Sky and Lighting fix - merged.esp 97 CiceroFemaleSE.esp 98 FlowerGirls SE - Cicero.esp 99 Mariana&Laura BAC_Followers.esp 9A Serana Renewal.esp 9B SDA Campfire Patch.esp 9C marrymeserana.esp 9D BBD_SkyrimFishing.esp 9E TFoS Trees of Whiterun Town SSE.esp 9F FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp A0 iNeed-Milk_USSEP_patch.esp A1 DBM_CRF_Patch.esp A2 DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp A3 DBM_AOS_Patch.esp A4 TFoS Cherry trees for Enhanced Solitude Expansion SSE.esp A5 TFoS Hand Placed Unique Trees for Enhanced Solitude Expansion SSE.esp A6 TFoS Trees of Whiterun Tundra SuperLight SSE.esp A7 DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp A8 DBM_MAS_Patch.esp A9 TFoS Trees of Whiterun Town Lore SSE.esp AA TFoS Cherry Trees SSE.esp AB SOS - Shop.esp AC ForgottenCity.esp AD Sneak Tools.esp AE DBM_Falskaar_Patch.esp AF DBM_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp B0 DBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.esp B1 DBM_IA_Patch.esp B2 DBM_KeepitClean_Patch.esp B3 wizDynamicThings.esp B4 imp_helm_legend.esp B5 imp_helm_legend_WACCF_Patch.esp B6 SIC WACCF_ICH Patch.esp B7 imp_helm_Immersive_Armors.esp B8 TFoS Trees of Solitude SSE.esp B9 iNeed-Milk_patch.esp BA WetandCold.esp BB Wet&Cold - WaterFix - Addon.esp BC EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp BD RSC Forgotten City Patch.esp BE No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp BF TFoS Trees of Windhelm SSE.esp C0 DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp C1 Wintersun - SIC Patch.esp C2 DBM_Moonpath_Patch.esp C3 BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp C4 LustmordVampireArmor.esp C5 FlowerGirls SE - Volcanic.esp C6 SeranaLustmordArmorReplacePatch.esp C7 LycHairstyler.esp C8 CaesiaFollower.esp C9 FlowerGirls SE - Caesia.esp CA Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Climates of Tamriel Patch.esp CB Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp CC MoonAndStar_RSC_Patch.esp CD Crimson Blood Armor.esp CE SDA DX Crimson Blood Patch.esp [Version 1.0CrimsonRedux] CF SIC - Immersive Sound Integration.esp D0 XPMSE.esp D1 LycHairstylerFG.esp D2 FlowerGirls SE - Wintersun.esp D3 trawzifiedsSimplyKnockWintersunPatch.esp D4 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp D5 DBM_CCOR_Patch.esp D6 Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp D7 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp D8 CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp D9 Cloaks_CCOR_Patch.esp DA SIC CCOR Patch.esp DB Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp DC DBM_CACO_Patch.esp DD CACO_Falskaar_Patch.esp DE CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp DF CACO_Wintersun.esp E0 SDA Wintersun Patch.esp E1 CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp E2 CACO_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp E3 CACO_Moonpath_Patch.esp E4 Inigo_CACO_Patch.esp E5 CACO_Keep It Clean.esp E6 iNeed CACO Patch.esp E7 CACO_Milk Drinker.esp E8 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul_CCOR_Patch.esp E9 CACO_True Fortify Effects for Magic Skills.esp EA Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp EB CCOR_Ordinator.esp EC CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp ED Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp EE Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp EF EFFDialogue.esp F0 Serana Dialogue Edit.esp F1 SDA SDE Patch.esp [Version 6.0SDEPatch] F2 RRR - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp F3 SDA RDO Patch.esp F4 CFTO.esp F5 Winterhold Restored.esp F6 CFTO - Immersive Citizens Patch.esp F7 Winterhold Restored - NSUTR Patch.esp F8 Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp F9 HelgenReborn+CFTO.esp FA Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp FB Convenient Horses.esp FC CH FAL_WYR.esp FD TouringCarriages-ICAIO.esp FE Open Cities Skyrim.esp [Version 3.1.6] FF OCS + LOTD5 Patch.esp [Version 1.0.2] 100 Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp 101 AI Overhaul - Open Cities.esp 102 SE -OC Patch 2.esp 103 ELFX - Exteriors Open Cities Patch.esp 104 ELFX - Hardcore.esp 105 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 106 RealisticWaterTwo - Keep It Clean.esp 107 ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp 108 WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp 109 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
ttts1 Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Does the crash only happen in Geirmund's Hall? Or does it happen other places as well? If it is just Geirmund's Hall, there may be an issue related to something there in one of your mods. Either a bad location cell, a missing/bad texture file for a creature, or something like that. Does it happen in the same place each time, or is it random?
U-Wing Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 17 hours ago, ttts1 said: Does the crash only happen in Geirmund's Hall? Or does it happen other places as well? If it is just Geirmund's Hall, there may be an issue related to something there in one of your mods. Either a bad location cell, a missing/bad texture file for a creature, or something like that. Does it happen in the same place each time, or is it random? It happens at saves on or after Geirmund's hall. For example I cleared it, exited, and made a save immediately outside. I then attempted to load from that save. CTD. As far as when it happens within? I narrowed it down to start happening in the room immediately after the 4 pillar key to unlock the door thing. I'm not sure if it is related.
U-Wing Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 Update: Nothing fixed by any means. I went back in Re-saver and attempted to load saves into it and see where the issue started. Note that the "Error while reading the Papyrus Section" in Resaver didn't start appearing in Re-saver until after this CTD on load problem started. The only save file I can load is before I thought I had fixed an earlier issue where I was CTDing on any kind of save. After some digging I found a "Netscriptframework Crash Compilation.txt" on Vortex that I downloaded. It directed that I do the below: "PREVENTION ADVICE: To prevent this issue from happening, common consensus states it is wise to set the "SaveGameMaxSize" in "SSE Engine Fixes" ini(toml) file to true. I also recommend increase your minimum and maximum paging file size to a decent amount respectively in BethINI under Customs: Section-Papyrus. I personally use 1024 and 3072 respectively. This should help give a reasonable amount of memory to the game when it comes to running scripts. Due note, this is an individualized tweak that works for MY load order. I would always recommend making changes that would help fit yours as you not only have different hardware, but different mods as well. I also suggest getting rid of autosaves and quick saves as the saving procedure for these MAY be a bit different than regular saves(While this has not been documented, I err on the side of cautiousness. It would be nice if someone extensively tested and affirms to this theory once and for all). If you insist on having some sort of quicksave feature, I suggest enabling "Regular Quicksaves" in SSE Engine Fixes that would make the quicksave hotkey make a new save each time. Make sure, however, to regularly delete old saves that you might not load in your playthrough. Another suggestion that I have heard from many people is to set SaveGameMaxSize to true in SSE Engine Fixes(This, however, should already be enabled but verification won't hurt). Lastly, a reasonable suggestion that goes along with my recommendation for modifying the pagefile size is modifying fUpdateBudgetMS. This is, again, a change that should be personalized and adhere to the performance your hardware is presenting." I thought that this fixed the issue, but then I noticed that the game viewed any save I made AFTER I did the above as a whole new character. As of now any save I made after I did the above cannot be read by Resaver, though some I can load to.
ttts1 Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 I am not an expert and I am not a mod creator or know coding, so I cannot be sure what is causing the problem. Could be a couple of different causes. A few I could think of: 1) If the cause is a missing texture for a particular creature (or something similar) it is causing the crash anytime you get near enough for the game to attempt to generate it. This would cause a CTD before you could even see the creature (or NPC or whatever "thing" has the missing texture or file). Anytime you are coming across whatever is the cause would cause the crash. 2) Whatever is the problem has found its way in to your save files. If it is #1, then it would happen every time you come across it with no exceptions. If you can complete Geirmund Hall, and I don't think dungeon creature spawns are random, then it is unlikely to be caused by #1. If the problem is #2, no matter what the original cause (mod conflicts, mod errors, or whatever), it will always appear even if you correct the problem in question. That is, even if you turn mods off and on to try and isolate the problem you will still have the error in the save files. Which means you can only test the fix in a new save game with a new character and can only fix it by using a save game editor...and only after solving the original problem. Sorry I can't give more help but I don't know any particular solution for you. When I have a problem like this, I use some trial and error for a little bit to try and find a solution. And if that doesn't work, then start a new game and see if it happens again. Maybe someone with more technical skills will see this and know, but there are a lot of potential causes for this.
ttts1 Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, U-Wing said: ,,, The only save file I can load is before I thought I had fixed an earlier issue where I was CTDing on any kind of save. After some digging I found a "Netscriptframework Crash Compilation.txt" on Vortex that I downloaded. It directed that I do the below: "PREVENTION ADVICE: ... Very interesting. This is beyond my knowledge, so I can't give advice. I believe I have seen other threads on save game files getting too big and the problems that causes but I didn't have that problem so didn't really read the threads.
U-Wing Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, ttts1 said: Very interesting. This is beyond my knowledge, so I can't give advice. I believe I have seen other threads on save game files getting too big and the problems that causes but I didn't have that problem so didn't really read the threads. Thank you both. As far as the above...I'm only like 70, 80 hours in and though I know Skyrim gets buggier the longer you go I didn't think that would be an issue. Second, and to my point regarding too many mods, according to Vortex I have 256 active enabled plugins in my load order NOT counting the update, skyrim, hearthfires, dragonborn, dawnguard and a couple of other .esm files. Could that be causing it?
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