Fallout 4 F4SE Loader Starting Up And Reach Game Menu, Then Closes Down When Start New Game

[TheRedCroat]

Basically, I'll try to give as much information/detail as possible to solve the problem. I've followed and downloaded all the mods from the page (AAF Fucking Manual), and downloaded and followed the install instructions. 

Basically, here's the problem, I am having at the moment. Every time, I go into my data folder and click on my F4SE Loader. The game loads normally and menu options pop up like normal. But, every time, I click on start a new game it reach's the loading screen point and loads for a few seconds and than closes out of no way. 

What do you think might be considering the problem? I'm attached my mod list and video of it happening. 
 

[Sgt. Marge]

Couple things I see so far.

 

Don't install the game / mods to Program Files directory because it's a Windows Protected directory and causes issues.  Instead, make a different folder and install to it instead.  Make 1 folder for the game and another folder for mods to go.  You may be able to have Steam move the game files without re downloading it, but since you are having a problem, maybe best to have a fresh install in a custom folder.

 

Are you using Buffout 4 (more info here)?

 

Once you get the game moved to a non protected directory, be sure to run it once from Steam Directly and at least get to the menu.  This is required before mods will work.

 

Also, did you make the ini file change to enable mods in Fallout 4?  (Check out Gopher's other Fallout 4 vids, they are well done.)

[Samuraitech]

One small thing to add to Marg597's points above.   All Executables, such as F4SE, LOOT, Bodyslide, etc., should be run as Administrator.  Also your Mod Manager, at least for MO2.  Assuming this also holds true for Vortex?

[aurreth]

3 hours ago, Samuraitech said:

One small thing to add to Marg597's points above.   All Executables, such as F4SE, LOOT, Bodyslide, etc., should be run as Administrator.  Also your Mod Manager, at least for MO2.  Assuming this also holds true for Vortex?

 

No.  You should never run anything as Administrator.  That is a holdover from old versions of Windows which did not handle user and file permissions properly.  Anything that tells you it needs Admin to install or run is either written badly, or wants to do bad things to your system.  Either way you should avoid it.

 

There is something called a "supply chain attack".  It's where the provider of a program gets hacked, and all the updates they issue carry malware.  This has happened to major companies within the last year or so (Oracle, Solarwinds).  If they can get infected how hard do you think it would be to do the same to Nexus and push a virus in a Vortex update?  Running Vortex as admin makes you more vulnerable, because any malware starts with elevated privileges, making it much easier to mangle your system.

 

Install games to a separate directory, something like C:\Games.  You won't need admin privileges for that because you made that directory yourself.  Install Steam there as well.  Install all your modding tools.  Everything in there will be installed with your user permissions, in a folder with your user permissions.  It will all run fine, without having to worry about running them as Admin.

 

[Samuraitech]

4 hours ago, aurreth said:

 

No.  You should never run anything as Administrator.  That is a holdover from old versions of Windows which did not handle user and file permissions properly.  Anything that tells you it needs Admin to install or run is either written badly, or wants to do bad things to your system.  Either way you should avoid it.

 

There is something called a "supply chain attack".  It's where the provider of a program gets hacked, and all the updates they issue carry malware.  This has happened to major companies within the last year or so (Oracle, Solarwinds).  If they can get infected how hard do you think it would be to do the same to Nexus and push a virus in a Vortex update?  Running Vortex as admin makes you more vulnerable, because any malware starts with elevated privileges, making it much easier to mangle your system.

 

Install games to a separate directory, something like C:\Games.  You won't need admin privileges for that because you made that directory yourself.  Install Steam there as well.  Install all your modding tools.  Everything in there will be installed with your user permissions, in a folder with your user permissions.  It will all run fine, without having to worry about running them as Admin.

 

Software has been getting ultra Cyber Security Paranoid these days and with good reason.  

 

You pose a good question. Maybe a topic for another post.  Should executables be "Run As Administrator"?  Security Protocols are changing all the time.  I have a link below for a simple Google Search for answers on this. Just one, but I did not find anything anywhere that says "Never Run Anything As Administrator" and here is why.

What I read said anything downloaded from Microsoft will not run as Admin.  Your Browser should not run as admin because you are giving it rights to secure OS files on your system.

An Application that will not run properly except as Admin will need to be run as Admin or you won't be able to use  the application.

 

https://www.howtogeek.com/709060/what-does-run-as-administrator-mean-in-windows-10/
What Does “Run as Administrator” Mean in Windows 10?

 

Taking The Scientific Approach and using FO4 as an example I have found the following after removing admin privilege's:

 

Within MO2:

F4SE will not run.

Bodyslide will not run.

Loot will run.

Creation Kit will run only after acknowledging Windows Defender "Allow" window.

ZEdit will run.

FO4.exe says it's running in Steam but game does not launch.  There is a Buffout error "Buffout4 has loaded too late.  Try adjusting plugin preloader load method."

Same for the FO4launcher.

FO4Edit will run.

 

In the Steam Game Directory (Not in MO2):

You get the same buffout error as above.  Game will not launch but you can get to the options of the launcher.

I think this is because F4SE has not launched and buffout need extended script to run.  You are trying to run outside of MO2 and without launching F4SE.

F4SE does launch directly from the game directory outside of MO2 and game does launch.

 

So I guess some things will run with just User rights and others require Admin rights.   Is this a holdover from Win7 and earlier days?  Will these apps eventually get rewritten to not need admin rights?  

 

I guess right now today if it does not run then run it as admin.  If it runs fine as user then leave it as user. 

 

Is there another way to run apps that won't run unless as admin?  I am sure this is something everyone should know if this has changed.  

 

Spoiler

 

This is what happens when you remove Admin privilege's.  Ran fine before with Admin privilege's.

 

[aurreth]

1 hour ago, Samuraitech said:

Software has been getting ultra Cyber Security Paranoid these days and with good reason.  

 

You pose a good question. Maybe a topic for another post.  Should executables be "Run As Administrator"?  Security Protocols are changing all the time.  I have a link below for a simple Google Search for answers on this. Just one, but I did not find anything anywhere that says "Never Run Anything As Administrator" and here is why.

What I read said anything downloaded from Microsoft will not run as Admin.  Your Browser should not run as admin because you are giving it rights to secure OS files on your system.

An Application that will not run properly except as Admin will need to be run as Admin or you won't be able to use  the application.

 

https://www.howtogeek.com/709060/what-does-run-as-administrator-mean-in-windows-10/
What Does “Run as Administrator” Mean in Windows 10?

 

Taking The Scientific Approach and using FO4 as an example I have found the following after removing admin privilege's:

 

Within MO2:

F4SE will not run.

Bodyslide will not run.

Loot will run.

Creation Kit will run only after acknowledging Windows Defender "Allow" window.

ZEdit will run.

FO4.exe says it's running in Steam but game does not launch.  There is a Buffout error "Buffout4 has loaded too late.  Try adjusting plugin preloader load method."

Same for the FO4launcher.

FO4Edit will run.

 

In the Steam Game Directory (Not in MO2):

You get the same buffout error as above.  Game will not launch but you can get to the options of the launcher.

I think this is because F4SE has not launched and buffout need extended script to run.  You are trying to run outside of MO2 and without launching F4SE.

F4SE does launch directly from the game directory outside of MO2 and game does launch.

 

So I guess some things will run with just User rights and others require Admin rights.   Is this a holdover from Win7 and earlier days?  Will these apps eventually get rewritten to not need admin rights?  

 

I guess right now today if it does not run then run it as admin.  If it runs fine as user then leave it as user. 

 

Is there another way to run apps that won't run unless as admin?  I am sure this is something everyone should know if this has changed.  

 

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This is what happens when you remove Admin privilege's.  Ran fine before with Admin privilege's.

 

 

I don't run any of those as Admin.  I have all of them in C:\Games, which is where I installed Steam, Vortex, all my games, all my modding tools.  None of them run as Admin.

 

By default most things install to C:\Program Files, which is a protected system directory.  The typical practice today is to install the program there and keep all the users files in %AppData%.  But you can't do that with modded files, they have to be in the Skyrim directory.  If you have that in Program Files, a protected directory, you need Admin privileges to modify it.

 

You don't want that.  You do not want to run anything with elevated privileges you don't have to.  You avoid this by installing to a user level directory, one you make yourself.  You can then make all the modifications you want, because nothing you are modifying requires any higher privileges than your own.

 

You can scoff, but this is what I do for a living.  Information Security.  The more things you have running as Administrator the more vulnerable you are.  Here that can be avoided, easily.

[Samuraitech]

4 minutes ago, aurreth said:

 

I don't run any of those as Admin.  I have all of them in C:\Games, which is where I installed Steam, Vortex, all my games, all my modding tools.  None of them run as Admin.

 

By default most things install to C:\Program Files, which is a protected system directory.  The typical practice today is to install the program there and keep all the users files in %AppData%.  But you can't do that with modded files, they have to be in the Skyrim directory.  If you have that in Program Files, a protected directory, you need Admin privileges to modify it.

 

You don't want that.  You do not want to run anything with elevated privileges you don't have to.  You avoid this by installing to a user level directory, one you make yourself.  You can then make all the modifications you want, because nothing you are modifying requires any higher privileges than your own.

 

You can scoff, but this is what I do for a living.  Information Security.  The more things you have running as Administrator the more vulnerable you are.  Here that can be avoided, easily.

No scoffing. I was being very diplomatic and open to any new data as far as running the game is concerned.  I stated earlier how certain executables performed with and without Admin privileges, so I will not repeat that.

 

Simple fact.  The game will not run unless given admin rights.  At least with MO2.  I don't use Vortex so can't answer as to that.

 

I don't disagree with what you said about not running apps as Admin.  I don't have anything on my PC running as admin except for apps mentioned above.  Will they be upgraded or changed in the future?  Probably but I don't know.  I can only answer about right now today.

[aurreth]

8 hours ago, Samuraitech said:

Simple fact.  The game will not run unless given admin rights.  At least with MO2.  I don't use Vortex so can't answer as to that.

 

It will.  Mine does.  I just installed MO2 and it ran Skyrim fine, without requiring Admin.

 

YOU require Admin because you likely have installed the game to the default location, C:\Program Files, which is a protected system directory.  I'm saying if people would install correctly, place games and modding files in a user created directory such as C:\Games, that Admin would not be needed and your computer would be more secure.

 

So, you need to run things as Admin and don't want to change, fine.  But it's bad advice to tell other people to do it when there is a better (and more secure) setup that doesn't require it.