My game keeps crashing to desktop without errors on several different occasions and I don't know what to do

[SophieModan]

From this modlist do you guys have any idea what might be causing them?

 

 10  a     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
254 FE  2b Unofficial Skyrim Creation Club Content Patch.esl
254 FE  2c SurvivalControlPanel.esp
 11  b     SexLab.esm
 12  c     SexLabAroused.esm
 13  d     SexLab Attraction.esm
 14  e     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 15  f     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 16 10     High Poly Head.esm
 17 11     DynDOLOD.esm
 18 12     SkyUI_SE.esp
 19 13     SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
 20 14     ELFX - Exteriors.esp
 21 15     IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
 22 16     RaceMenu.esp
 23 17     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 24 18     EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
 25 19     Cathedral Weathers.esp
 26 1a     Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
 27 1b     Better Survival Mode ENG.esp
254 FE  2d EVE - Footstep Sounds Restored.esp
 28 1c     Nemesis PCEA.esp
 29 1d     Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
 30 1e     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 31 1f     dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
 32 20     EBT - IC PATCH.esp
 33 21     PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
 34 22     PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
254 FE  2e DSer360MovementBehavior.esp
 35 23     SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
 36 24     Scrolling Speed.esp
254 FE  2f dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
254 FE  30 SexlabLightMeUp.esp
254 FE  31 ABMM.esp
 37 25     SLAnimLoader.esp
 38 26     CBBE.esp
 39 27     Beards.esp
 40 28     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 41 29     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
 42 2a     MaximumCarnage.esp
 43 2b     SOSRaceMenu.esp
 44 2c     XPMSE.esp
 45 2d     FNIS.esp
 46 2e     High Poly Head Vampire Fix.esp
 47 2f     StormLightning.esp
254 FE  32 ELFX Fixes.esp
 48 30     Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
 49 31     Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
 50 32     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 51 33     EmbersHD.esp
 52 34     Keep It Clean.esp
 53 35     SunHelmSurvival.esp
 54 36     SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
 55 37     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
254 FE  33 ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
 56 38     ENB Light.esp
 57 39     SSEDITMERGEDPATCH.esp
 58 3a     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
 59 3b     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 60 3c     Water for ENB (Mineral Teal) (iNeed).esp
254 FE  34 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
 61 3d     DynDOLOD.esp
 

[flutie]

if you can list the last few locations and actions you were performing, it may help narrow it down

[SophieModan]

26 minutes ago, flutie said:

if you can list the last few locations and actions you were performing, it may help narrow it down

I was in Haelga's Bunkerhouse and storing things I looted on a dresser so I could order my follower (Marcurio) to take them for me, It crashes right aftere I store some of them

[flutie]

have you got any mods that change meshes or textures of items in the game?

does it crash after one particular item you store or various items?

do you have any skui plug ins that change the inventory menu?

where are you storing the items and does ur game crash before you close the inventory screen?

I do not see anything in the load order that would cause a CTD, but I would check the above also go into different  building and try to recreate the crash

[SophieModan]

14 hours ago, flutie said:

have you got any mods that change meshes or textures of items in the game?

does it crash after one particular item you store or various items?

do you have any skui plug ins that change the inventory menu?

where are you storing the items and does ur game crash before you close the inventory screen?

I do not see anything in the load order that would cause a CTD, but I would check the above also go into different  building and try to recreate the crash

 

Hello, so I've tested in a few other houses and the CTD didn't happen, however when exploring the roads CTDs happen occasionaly after a quickload or a death, as I said these crashes seem very random, the mods that change weather, meshes and textures are Cathedral Weathers, Vivid Weathers, ENB Light, static mesh improvement and the sexlab mods

[flutie]

Random CTD'S happen, esp in outdoor cell, so that means it's something with the bunkhouse, u can try one item at a time,  in the bunkhouse, to narrow it down more

[SophieModan]

On 7/23/2021 at 3:06 PM, flutie said:

Random CTD'S happen, esp in outdoor cell, so that means it's something with the bunkhouse, u can try one item at a time,  in the bunkhouse, to narrow it down more

 

Hello so I just had another random CTD outdoor, I didn't get to repeat the bunkhouse thing

[flutie]

2 hours ago, SophieModan said:

 

Hello so I just had another random CTD outdoor, I didn't get to repeat the bunkhouse thing

Skyrim is prone to crash, even in the vanilla game, it is something we have to live with, it's sad, but playing for a few hours then crashing, is considered a stable game

[nemocdt]

I looked over your load order which you have Loot sorted. and i don't see any compatibility patches at all. 

your load order does not have anything out of the ordinary that i can see.

if your are using mo2 delete your overwrite folder and start a new game.  if you have been adding and removing mod's while playing then your posted load order won't help.

install enb boost. don't use a preset. use this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/4143

check your weather and lighting mod page's for compatibility patch's. elfx uses speciifc meshes for lighting (may not seem like much but it is)  lighting and weather conflicts are very important. 

accessing a container, even if it only has vanilla item's added by a removed mod's stored in your save is insta desktop. container's are important. (start a new game)

 

[Elizinator]

when it comes to CTD diagnosis, .net framework is a pretty crucial tool. it usually (not not always) produces a crash log that can point in the right direction. If the culprit is a bad mesh or texture, itll name and shame it directly.

[SophieModan]

On 7/28/2021 at 3:29 AM, nemocdt said:

I looked over your load order which you have Loot sorted. and i don't see any compatibility patches at all. 

your load order does not have anything out of the ordinary that i can see.

if your are using mo2 delete your overwrite folder and start a new game.  if you have been adding and removing mod's while playing then your posted load order won't help.

install enb boost. don't use a preset. use this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/4143

check your weather and lighting mod page's for compatibility patch's. elfx uses speciifc meshes for lighting (may not seem like much but it is)  lighting and weather conflicts are very important. 

accessing a container, even if it only has vanilla item's added by a removed mod's stored in your save is insta desktop. container's are important. (start a new game)

 

How does the tool work? I have Rudy's ENB installed, will the tool delete it?

 

On 7/28/2021 at 4:47 PM, Elizinator said:

when it comes to CTD diagnosis, .net framework is a pretty crucial tool. it usually (not not always) produces a crash log that can point in the right direction. If the culprit is a bad mesh or texture, itll name and shame it directly.

How can I diagnose with .net framework?

[Elizinator]

57 minutes ago, SophieModan said:

How can I diagnose with .net framework?

as i said, it generates a crash log. sometimes just red herrings, but might also just say whats wrong. whenever you get a crash, open up the .net framework folder, navigate to the crash subfolder, open the file that corresponds to the time of the crash, and see what it says.

[perrymwt]

18 hours ago, SophieModan said:

How does the tool work? I have Rudy's ENB installed, will the tool delete it?

 

How can I diagnose with .net framework?

There is this doc on the Nexus. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/49130.  It's a .NET Script Framework crash guide.

[nemocdt]

On 7/30/2021 at 11:24 AM, SophieModan said:

How does the tool work? I have Rudy's ENB installed, will the tool delete it?

 

 

 

No the tools wont delete it you have to delete it manually just open the zip that you installed from, both enb binary and ruby zip's and use as a reference to delete the file's in your game folder.

the enb manager is amazing you can youtube how to use it,

trust me it's worth it. you can install 40 presets and swap enb's  at the click of a button before you start a game.

you cant not have it.

Edited August 3, 2021 by nemocdt

[SophieModan]

On 7/26/2021 at 6:09 AM, flutie said:

Skyrim is prone to crash, even in the vanilla game, it is something we have to live with, it's sad, but playing for a few hours then crashing, is considered a stable game

 

Hello, so the crash I had a few days ago os probbaly not so random because It keeps happening at the same location in this particular save file, it happens around Shor's Stone and I suspect the culprit might be the remnants of custom enemy skeletons from immersive creatures, although it might also be some of the graphics mods, is there a log I can see?

[SophieModan]

On 7/29/2021 at 9:25 PM, Elizinator said:

as i said, it generates a crash log. sometimes just red herrings, but might also just say whats wrong. whenever you get a crash, open up the .net framework folder, navigate to the crash subfolder, open the file that corresponds to the time of the crash, and see what it says.

I tried looking at he .net framework folder but I didn't see any crash folder, well I guess I'll have to do trial and error and disable mods

[Just Don't]

1 hour ago, SophieModan said:

I tried looking at he .net framework folder but I didn't see any crash folder, well I guess I'll have to do trial and error and disable mods

Which means you didn't manage to install Net Script Framework or its requirements properly. Moving on trying to pinpoint the problem blindly doesn't seem the best approach TBH.

[Elizinator]

16 hours ago, SophieModan said:

I tried looking at he .net framework folder but I didn't see any crash folder, well I guess I'll have to do trial and error and disable mods

if you are using MO2, look in your overwrite folder. If you have .netframework installed correctly, sometimes it just doesnt generate a crash log. nobody knows why. restart MO and try again.

[Papitas]

Barring corrupted assets or too much heavy duty scripts running at the same time, I usually get random CTDs using Sexlab matchmaker-like mods, ie. mods that make NPCs have sex between them.

 

I don't know many of your mods you listed, but if you have one of those, it may be worth to check if disabling them stops those CTDs 

[Tlam99]

Just some basic hints for a setup

 

Use BC7 compression on at least large texture mods.

Don't use stuff like 4k nails or chicken shit. Make a better use of the freed vram by creating mipmaps

for regulary used textures, e.g. clothing, skin.

Limit the used skins, use one default skin for all and maybe some in addition for special followers.

Free vram as much as possible (BC7, not sh..t4k stuff). Reduce cpu use as much as possible (mipmaps)

Go to the default 59, 60 fps, have vsync enabled, don't fiddle around with ini files, let Bethini do this settings.

Install fps stabilizer to calculate time for scripts.

Avoid using homes, quests etc which change vanilla stuff, chose the ones which create a own ID for new, modified stuff.

After installing a new mod check with xedit for possible dangerous overwrites. Delete stuff which places another chest to the

tons placed around riverwood. Remove not needed npc selling those clothes in some mods.

Make a save after new mod install and check this save with resaver.

This list could be longer, but as said, some basic things to do on the way to no ctd for a complete play through.

And yes, it is possible.

 

[SophieModan]

15 hours ago, Papitas said:

Barring corrupted assets or too much heavy duty scripts running at the same time, I usually get random CTDs using Sexlab matchmaker-like mods, ie. mods that make NPCs have sex between them.

 

I don't know many of your mods you listed, but if you have one of those, it may be worth to check if disabling them stops those CTDs 

 

14 hours ago, T-lam said:

Just some basic hints for a setup

 

Use BC7 compression on at least large texture mods.

Don't use stuff like 4k nails or chicken shit. Make a better use of the freed vram by creating mipmaps

for regulary used textures, e.g. clothing, skin.

Limit the used skins, use one default skin for all and maybe some in addition for special followers.

Free vram as much as possible (BC7, not sh..t4k stuff). Reduce cpu use as much as possible (mipmaps)

Go to the default 59, 60 fps, have vsync enabled, don't fiddle around with ini files, let Bethini do this settings.

Install fps stabilizer to calculate time for scripts.

Avoid using homes, quests etc which change vanilla stuff, chose the ones which create a own ID for new, modified stuff.

After installing a new mod check with xedit for possible dangerous overwrites. Delete stuff which places another chest to the

tons placed around riverwood. Remove not needed npc selling those clothes in some mods.

Make a save after new mod install and check this save with resaver.

This list could be longer, but as said, some basic things to do on the way to no ctd for a complete play through.

And yes, it is possible.

 

 

Hello, so turns out the mod causing the crashes outside was actually Immersive Creatures, the problem is that I really like this mod, it adds challenge and variety to the game and would like to keep it, is there a possible way to fix it?

[Tlam99]

Place above MNC.

This mod is known to cause issues.

 

[SophieModan]

So I disabled a few options from Immersive Creatures and got rid of the CTDs for good actually, but I have installed new mods and now my problem is that whenever my companion Marcurio conjures something the game stutters for half to a whole second, is kinda annoying and I'm certain it has nothing to do with my specs as I can run this game at constant 60 FPS on ultra if I'm not using ENB, if you guys can help I'd appreciate it a lot, here are my mods and plugin load orders:

 

Mod load order:

 

rim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ccqdrsse001-survivalmode.esl
cceejsse004-hall.esl
ccbgssse025-advdsgs.esm
cceejsse001-hstead.esm
cceejsse002-tower.esl
ccbgssse008-wraithguard.esl
cceejsse003-hollow.esl
ccedhsse002-splkntset.esl
ccmtysse002-ve.esl
ccbgssse031-advcyrus.esm
ccbgssse016-umbra.esm
ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl
ccbgssse040-advobgobs.esl
ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl
ccvsvsse002-pets.esl
ccpewsse002-armsofchaos.esl
ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl
ccbgssse003-zombies.esl
ccbgssse041-netchleather.esl
ccbgssse035-petnhound.esl
ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl
ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl
cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon.esm
ccffbsse001-imperialdragon.esl
ccbgssse036-petbwolf.esl
ccbgssse045-hasedoki.esl
ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl
ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl
ccbgssse060-ba_dragonscale.esl
ccbgssse062-ba_dwarvenmail.esl
ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail.esl
ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim.esl
ccbgssse058-ba_steel.esl
ccbgssse064-ba_elven.esl
ccqdrsse002-firewood.esl
ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl
ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl
ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl
ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl
ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl
ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
ccbgssse063-ba_ebony.esl
ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl
ccbgssse037-curios.esl
ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl
ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl
ccvsvsse001-winter.esl
ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine.esl
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Creation Club Content Patch.esl
SurvivalControlPanel.esp
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
SexLab Attraction.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
High Poly Head.esm
IFPVDetector.esl
DynDOLOD.esm
SkyUI_SE.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
Vivid WeathersSE.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Cathedral Weathers.esp
Better Survival Mode ENG.esp
EVE - Footstep Sounds Restored.esp
Nemesis PCEA.esp
Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
EBT - IC PATCH.esp
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
Scrolling Speed.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
SexlabLightMeUp.esp
ABMM.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
CBBE.esp
Beards.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
High Poly Head Vampire Fix.esp
StormLightning.esp
ELFX Fixes.esp
Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
EmbersHD.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
ENB Light.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - Classic.esp
FNIS.esp
SSEDITMERGEDPATCH.esp
SunHelmSurvival.esp
SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
MaximumCarnage.esp
PeeAndFart.esp
No More Ugly Effects SE.esp
Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visuals.esp
Dirt and Blood - Shader Tweak.esp
TrueDirectionalMovement.esp
DIS_Armor_Fractions.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Water for ENB (Mineral Teal) (iNeed).esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

 

Plugin load order:

 

*ccqdrsse001-survivalmode.esl
*cceejsse004-hall.esl
*ccbgssse025-advdsgs.esm
*cceejsse001-hstead.esm
*cceejsse002-tower.esl
*ccbgssse008-wraithguard.esl
*cceejsse003-hollow.esl
*ccedhsse002-splkntset.esl
*ccmtysse002-ve.esl
*ccbgssse031-advcyrus.esm
*ccbgssse016-umbra.esm
*ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl
*ccbgssse040-advobgobs.esl
*ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl
*ccvsvsse002-pets.esl
*ccpewsse002-armsofchaos.esl
*ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl
*ccbgssse003-zombies.esl
*ccbgssse041-netchleather.esl
*ccbgssse035-petnhound.esl
*ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl
*ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl
*cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon.esm
*ccffbsse001-imperialdragon.esl
*ccbgssse036-petbwolf.esl
*ccbgssse045-hasedoki.esl
*ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl
*ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl
*ccbgssse060-ba_dragonscale.esl
*ccbgssse062-ba_dwarvenmail.esl
*ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail.esl
*ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim.esl
*ccbgssse058-ba_steel.esl
*ccbgssse064-ba_elven.esl
*ccqdrsse002-firewood.esl
*ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl
*ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl
*ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl
*ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl
*ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl
*ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
*ccbgssse063-ba_ebony.esl
*ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl
*ccbgssse037-curios.esl
*ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl
*ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl
*ccvsvsse001-winter.esl
*ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine.esl
*Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
*Unofficial Skyrim Creation Club Content Patch.esl
*SurvivalControlPanel.esp
*SexLab.esm
*SexLabAroused.esm
*SexLab Attraction.esm
*ZaZAnimationPack.esm
*Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
*High Poly Head.esm
*IFPVDetector.esl
*DynDOLOD.esm
*SkyUI_SE.esp
*SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
*ELFX - Exteriors.esp
*Vivid WeathersSE.esp
*IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
*RaceMenu.esp
*RaceMenuPlugin.esp
*EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
*Cathedral Weathers.esp
*Better Survival Mode ENG.esp
*EVE - Footstep Sounds Restored.esp
*Nemesis PCEA.esp
*Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
*dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
*dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
*Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
*EBT - IC PATCH.esp
*SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
*Scrolling Speed.esp
*dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
*SexlabLightMeUp.esp
*ABMM.esp
*SLAnimLoader.esp
*CBBE.esp
*Beards.esp
*Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
*SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
*SOSRaceMenu.esp
*XPMSE.esp
*High Poly Head Vampire Fix.esp
*StormLightning.esp
*ELFX Fixes.esp
*Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
*Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
*Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
*EmbersHD.esp
*Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
*ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
*ENB Light.esp
*Vivid Weathers SE - Classic.esp
*FNIS.esp
*SSEDITMERGEDPATCH.esp
*SunHelmSurvival.esp
*SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
*MaximumCarnage.esp
*PeeAndFart.esp
*No More Ugly Effects SE.esp
*Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visuals.esp
*Dirt and Blood - Shader Tweak.esp
*TrueDirectionalMovement.esp
*DIS_Armor_Fractions.esp
*Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
*Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
*Water for ENB (Mineral Teal) (iNeed).esp
*Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

[SophieModan]

On 8/2/2021 at 9:01 PM, nemocdt said:

 

No the tools wont delete it you have to delete it manually just open the zip that you installed from, both enb binary and ruby zip's and use as a reference to delete the file's in your game folder.

the enb manager is amazing you can youtube how to use it,

trust me it's worth it. you can install 40 presets and swap enb's  at the click of a button before you start a game.

you cant not have it.

But is it worth it if I'm using only one ENB?

[nemocdt]

18 hours ago, SophieModan said:

But is it worth it if I'm using only one ENB?

 

yes. there will come a time when you want to change enb's. and manually removing the files is a bit of a drag.

maybe you don't need it right now but if you reinstall or setup a new game. i highly recommend you use it.

it just works. ?