Convienient Horses, Mounted Combat, and my mods...

FastestDogInTheDistrict · May 7, 2013

Hey there! Your help is needed, people!

I am currently trying to help a player who believes they are experiencing a conflict between my "Children of Skyrim" presets & guards mods and Mitchalek's Convenient Horses ("I can't hit anything"). I have been using these mods together for a long time now through several updates of each and have never experienced any problems with mounted combat at all, and I have re-confirmed this today (tested with my mods on & off - no change). The player does not use BOSS. I am currently seeking a load order. I am certain that any problem is being caused by some other mod.

In the meantime - can I please get some feedback from anyone who is using my mods? I need confirmation ASAP!

FastestDogInTheDistrict · May 8, 2013

Player's load order:

"Well i was using boss until it made my game CTD all the time. anyways here is the list, take heart my friend! its a long one...

again thanks for taking the time to see this through!

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

WinterholdDestruction.esm=1

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm=1

SPIKE.esm=1

JSwords.esm=1

AzarHair.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

all_stone_powers.esp=1

tundra lodge.esp=0

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp=1

RLO - Adaptive Interiors Vanilla Weathers Patch.esp=1

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp=1

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp=1

DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp=1

Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1

TradeBarter.esp=1

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp=1

Convenient Horses.esp=1

DeadlyDragons.esp=1

AchieveThat.esp=1

Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp=1

HighResTexturePack01.esp=1

HighResTexturePack02.esp=1

HighResTexturePack03.esp=1

Automatic Variants.esp=1

HighResTexturePackFix.esp=1

KDC - kevinsterable - Deadly Stronger Poisons.esp=1

BetterWhitePhialEffects.esp=1

Double Effect.esp=1

Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp=1

ESFCompanions.esp=1

BetterQuestObjectives.esp=1

BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp=0

ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp=1

Follower Trap Safety.esp=1

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1

Hunting in Skyrim.esp=1

MageFriendlyDragonPriestMasks.esp=1

Map Markers Complete.esp=1

MorePerksPerLevel.esp=1

moveitLWT.esp=1

My Home Is Your Home.esp=1

ArmorPerkHelmetRemover.esp=1

PumpingIron.esp=1

WetandCold.esp=1

Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1

BabettesFeastBalanced.esp=1

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp=1

RND_BabettesFeast-Patch.esp=1

Realistic Wildlife Loot - Reduced.esp=1

WATER.esp=1

WATER Plants.esp=1

RND_RWL-Patch.esp=0

RND_RWLReduced-Patch.esp=1

RND_Water-Patch.esp=1

RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1

SaveHotKey.esp=1

Run For Your Lives.esp=1

roadsidethief_simple_armor.esp=1

SkyHavenTempleEnhanced.esp=1

Sky Haven Teleporter 1.2.esp=1

SilverListExpansion.esp=1

Magnus100.esp=1

Magnus20.esp=0

Magnus50.esp=0

MageRobesChoice.esp=1

The Dance of Death.esp=1

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp=1

Training Dummies XP.esp=1

ValsCraftingMeltdownAlpha.esp=1

WildPeace.esp=1

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1

Better Skyforge Weapons.esp=1

Compelling Treasure Maps.esp=1

AT - Faster Arrows Improved +50%.esp=1

AT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp=1

AT - Loot Arrows -25%.esp=1

AT - Merchants Arrows -25%.esp=1

AT - Recover 10% Less Arrows.esp=1

Als Treasure Vault.esp=1

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp=1

RiverwoodHuntingCabin.esp=1

Immersive Battles.esp=1

Immersive Brigands.esp=1

Immersive Events.esp=1

Immersive Factions.esp=1

Immersive Mercenaries.esp=1

Immersive Patrols.esp=1

Immersive Travelers.esp=1

Immersive Werewolves.esp=1

ImprovedSkillBooks.esp=1

LimbwoodManor.esp=1

Point The Way.esp=1

InigoPerkPointGiver.esp=1

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1

SlicedCheeseRecipesMod.esp=1

Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp=1

1nivWICCloaks.esp=1

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp=0

1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp=0

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-No Imp.esp=0

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-No ImpGuards.esp=0

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-NoGuards.esp=0

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1

Cloaks.esp=1

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp=1

Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp=1

Chesko_WearableLantern_Caravaner.esp=1

manny Lantern Caretakers.esp=1

Dr_Bandolier.esp=1

BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp=1

BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp=1

BandolierForNPCsCheaperBandoliers_BalancedWeight.esp=1

Masters of Death - Sicarius Armor (Standalone).esp=1

CollegeBootsonCorpse.esp=1

ColovianLeather.esp=1

Dread Huntress Armor.esp=1

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

IA6npc01.esp=1

LeftHandRings.esp=1

Krev The Skinner's Mantle by Hothtrooper44.esp=1

SabreFurBag.esp=1

StrongBoxesOnAlchemyLabsAndArcaneEnchanters.esp=1

kimono's witcher silver swords.esp=1

LostLongSwords.esp=1

UnlockUniqueEnchantments.esp=1

UniqueBows.esp=1

LB_GroveMatronStaff.esp=1

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp=1

Immersive Weapons.esp=1

Dragonbone Weapons - Faster Arrows.esp=1

Dragonbone Weapons.esp=1

Realistic Running Speed.esp=1

MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp=1

LovelyHairstylesLITE.esp=1

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1

Delphine.esp=1

Children of Skyrim - NORD PRESETS 1-10 v1.1.esp=0

Children of Skyrim - NORD PRESETS 11-20.esp=0

Children of Skyrim - TOWN GUARDS.esp=0

Brows.esp=1

Beards.esp=1

Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp=1

Hunter's Perks Plus.esp=1

VariedGuards.esp=1

TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp=1

KWTelescope.esp=1

GuessDistance.esp=1

RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp=1

No More Glowing Edges (MCM).esp=1

dynamic fires.esp=1

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - RLO.esp=1

SkyRealism - Time and Travel.esp=1

JehennianLeather.esp=1

NordicIronCuirass.esp=1

Archer's.esp=1

DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp=1

GDRangerArmor.esp=1

zz_GDRAHoods.esp=1

Wandererarmor.esp=1

nordicrangerarmor.esp=1

hunterarmornofur.esp=1

the ones in green are mods that i added after deactivating all my mods and reactivating them. also note that your mod is currently deactivated."

People, if you're able to help with this, it would be awesome!

FastestDogInTheDistrict · May 8, 2013

SOLVED! :lol:

Okay - I spoke to Mitchalek, and he directed me HERE: "Attention Mod Authors - Mounted Combat and Race Records"

Here is Mitchalek's post to me - it was very helpful:

"(Mitchalek - in response to OP query, sent via PM)

Hello,

I know exactly where the problem comes from and it is not any kind of conflict between mods. It is a mod that modifies races missing mounted combat attack data. I don't know if it is your mod or not but if your mod modifies races then you must use update.esm along with skyrim.esm as parent and rebuild race modification from scratch.

Other way would be to manually edit attack data records for all altering races and add missing information. Here is the link to forum post on forums explaining the procedure of updating the attack data: http://forums.nexusm...d-race-records/

Maybe it is not your mod but at least now you know where the problem of "not being able to hit in mounted combat" comes from and how should modder fix it.

Alek"

"(FastestDog)

Ah-HA! Mine replace the presets - does that count?

UPDATE: That post described exactly what I experienced in my own game - and what I thought was normal (ie: in horse combat you can only hit things immediately in front of you). Just disabled everything & checked, combat is indeed different on the flanks (easier to hit!). Re-enabled ONLY my preset mods - same result! *WHEW!!!* It's not my mods! YAY!!

Thanks Mitchalek!

... now to find out what's doing it... "

(Mitchalek)

I think not but I'm not sure as I never tested what effects presets have on it, because at the end player does not have preset race assigned to it. To be on a safe side make sure attack data matches one from update.esm. I think I gave you enough info to fix your mod if it needs fixing or help the person who's in trouble and give him a heads up. If it is on user's end you can tell them to use Tes5Edit tool to open all their plugins and then look for one that modifies RACE records then try out in game without these mods until they pinpoint the mod that is causing it, then they can contact the correct mod author.

(FastestDog)

(Ah! You beat me to the reply! I updated my post above - many thanks!!!!)

UPDATE: That post described exactly what I experienced in my own game - and what I thought was normal (ie: in horse combat you can only hit things immediately in front of you). Just disabled everything & checked, combat is indeed different on the flanks (easier to hit!). Re-enabled ONLY my preset mods - same result! *WHEW!!!* It's not my mods! YAY!!

Thanks Mitchalek!

... now to find out what's doing it...

UPDATE: I found it - in my case, it was MissJennaBee's old "Improved freckles" mod. No idea what's causing it in the other player's game, but I can now safely rule-out my own mods!! You've been a great help Mitchalek - thanks!!

I have thus been able to rule out any of my mods as the cause! WOOHOO!!! :lol:

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