HanPL Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 21.05.2013 On Tuesday May 21st, we’ll mark the beginning of a new generation of games, TV and entertainment. On that day, we’ll be holding a special press event on the Xbox campus and we invite you to join us via the live global stream that will be available on Xbox.com, Xbox LIVE and broadcast on Spike TV if you are in the US or Canada. On that day, we’ll share our vision for Xbox, and give you a real taste of the future. Then, 19-days later at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) in Los Angeles, we’ll continue the conversation and showcase our full lineup of blockbuster games. We are thrilled to pull back the curtain and reveal what we’ve been working on. A New Generation RevealedXbox Campus, Redmond WATuesday, May 21st @ 1p ET/10a PT/17:00 GMT http://majornelson.com/2013/04/24/xboxreveal/ Link to comment
Veta Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Thanks for that Han , was wondering when they were going to announce , now lets see what exclusive games we won't be able to play unless we buy their new console . Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 Pretty sure they will sell new Xbox in bundle (X720 + GTA V ) or with some new exclusive title. I'm gonna wait and see since for now I'm thinking about upgrading my PC or buying Durango/X720 if the price will be ok. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 You should be glad that new gens are coming out, finnaly something will move forward since this get took way to long. Link to comment
Kamen Rider Kuuga Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I give it a year before the game companies are complaining about the tech holding them back. Link to comment
windpl Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 You should be glad that new gens are coming out, finnaly something will move forward since this get took way to long. Maybe I would, if that x360 piece of shit didn't die on me and I haven't threw it through the window. Since then I'm enemy to "new" gen consoles. I do not see fucking point to them, they are build as pc now, there is no new or different technology used for them. Only strong point is that devs have easier life with optimization because every console have same hardware. But then they have to pay for every single game copy sold on it. So duno if it is worthwhile. Oh and xcrap have special place in my heart, thanks to heritage that it passed to pc, called Live Now they had idea to force you to stay online all the time. God they throw so much crap on gamers and they wonder why they are angry. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Main problem with consoles are that they stall the industry. For example when X360/PS3 where released everyone was like OMG look how great this game looks, smooth fps bla bla bla. But that was in 2006 and after 2-3 years typical PC was 3-5 times power powerful than X360 and now it's 7 years since orginal xbox 360 release and till now all developers had to create games for platform that was 7 years behind modern PC and porting those games on PC usually was not worth it because there was lot of effort to put into it. Just look at Rockstar GTA 4, great game but PC port was very bad and it took like 2 years before patches and moders fixed the game because game was designed with consoles in mind. Now it should get better since porting & creating games on consoles will be very similar to the PC ones. But in 2-3 years PC will already be more powerful than PS4/X720 (In fact they already are acording to Crytek devs ) Link to comment
windpl Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Consoles do not stall industry, engine devs do. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Engines don't really play big role here since devs must make and optimize their engine for specific system and build. And when you look at specs of PS3/X360 no matter how good you are you can't really make miracles with 7 year old tech. PC don't have that problem since at any given moment you can upgrade your rig. Link to comment
Kamen Rider Kuuga Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Pretty sure even a mid range gaming PC built by hand last year is more powerful than the PS4 and 720. Link to comment
Jerbsinator Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 PS4 and 720 are already obsolete as soon as released, not 2 - 3 years down the road. They are inferior products right out of the gate in terms of tech. Link to comment
windpl Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Engines don't really play big role here since devs must make and optimize their engine for specific system and build. And when you look at specs of PS3/X360 no matter how good you are you can't really make miracles with 7 year old tech. PC don't have that problem since at any given moment you can upgrade your rig. Oh they do. In old days they were more aggressive, tech demo was followed by another tech demo. Since "new" consoles came with exact atchitecture as pc. Devs switched to cosy consoles, and only slightly upgrading their flag engines. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Pretty sure even a mid range gaming PC built by hand last year is more powerful than the PS4 and 720. Well not really but power powerful yes. http://e-mpire.com/content.php/2056 Link to comment
windpl Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Pretty sure even a mid range gaming PC built by hand last year is more powerful than the PS4 and 720. Well not really but power powerful yes. http://e-mpire.com/content.php/2056 AMD and some other companies created association with same idea in mind. Making all pc components as efficient as they can. Though we have to wait for any results of it. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Windows blogger Paul Thurrott reveals rumored pricing options for Microsoft's next-gen platform, claims always-online requirement is accurate. Noted Windows blogger Paul Thurrott has claimed during the latest What The Tech episode (via NeoGAF) that the Xbox 720 will launch in November beginning at $300 for a subscription-based model. A standard model will sell for around $500, he said. He described the platform overall as "expensive." The Xbox 720 won't be the only new Xbox on shelves this season, Thurrott claimed. The writer said Microsoft is planning a $99 "Stingray" Xbox 360. He did not provide any further information about this platform. Thurrott also shared information about the Xbox 720's reported always-online requirement. He said this is a confirmed feature for the platform, claiming the system's notes specifically state that the Xbox 720 "must be Internet-connected to use." The Xbox 720 reportedly stops functioning if an Internet connection drops for three minutes. As for when the Xbox 720 could be announced, Thurrott said Microsoft is planning a reveal event on May 21. This matches up with a recent analyst report suggesting Microsoft was readying a reveal next month. The blogger added that Microsoft will share further information about the Xbox 720 during two June events: the Electronic Entertainment Expo and the Build 2013 developer conference. Thurrott further claimed that Microsoft was working on an entertainment-focused Xbox that would not play games. He said this device was called "Yumo," and speculated that Microsoft decided not to pursue this so as not to confuse the market. A Microsoft representative told GameSpot, "We do not comment on rumors or speculation. We are always thinking about what is next for our platform, but we don't have anything further to share at this time." Thurrott is a noted Microsoft insider and runs Paul Thurrott's Supersite for Windows. http://www.gamespot.com/news/subscription-based-xbox-720-priced-at-300-with-500-standard-model-6406544 Link to comment
leddis3 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I honestly can't believe Microsoft would do something so stupid as to have an always online console. Did they watch the whole PSN scandal and interpret that as a dare? If the PS4 does not require always online and has more or less the same games, console gamers will flock to that system, it's a no brainer. There's EA level out of touch with reality and then there's this. I don't understand! Link to comment
Queen Bee Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hey! They're announcing this on my birthday! Link to comment
woodenstick Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I honestly can't believe Microsoft would do something so stupid as to have an always online console. Did they watch the whole PSN scandal and interpret that as a dare? If the PS4 does not require always online and has more or less the same games, console gamers will flock to that system, it's a no brainer. There's EA level out of touch with reality and then there's this. I don't understand! Don't forget the fact that the PS4 will let you play used games, whereas the 720 won't. Microsoft is digging it's own grave right now, and I hope they fail miserably to teach devs in the future a lesson about trying to screw the consumers. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 Well we will find out everything on 21-th May but it there will be constant online + no used games then no way in hell I'm going to buy X720 lol. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Sources tell Polygon that the current version of the next-gen console includes a next-gen approach to video sharing, anti-piracy protection, social networking and a massive expansion of the Xbox 360's popular achievement system. Like the recently announced PlayStation 4, the still-unnamed next Xbox will include the ability to capture video highlights of gameplay and then share them through networks like Facebook and Ustream. In February, during the official PlayStation 4 unveiling, Sony officials detailed the heightened importance of sharing game experiences. The ability to share a snapshot from a game or show off a gameplay video is so important that a "share" button is incorporated into that upcoming console's new controller. Pressing the PS4's share button allows players to begin capturing their own gameplay in real time and then broadcast it to their friends using social networks. Microsoft is also trying to come up with a system for video sharing though all of the details are still being locked down. According to our sources, currently the next Xbox will capture your gameplay as if it were a DVR, allowing you to go back and select highlights. That function can be turned on or off, or a player can set up the console to automatically capture a recording when certain in-game events occur, like a headshot or collecting a specific achievement. Auto capturing those "magic moments" will be a feature only available on next-gen games. Those videos can then be uploaded directly from the console to social sites, like YouTube, for sharing. Sources tell Polygon that the next Xbox will indeed have some form of an always-on requirement. That will be both to support the suite of non-gaming entertainment applications that will be launched alongside the console, like streaming video services, but also as a possible anti-piracy tool. Currently, the console will support digital rights management and anti-piracy checks using an internet connection. Under Microsoft's current guidelines, which may still be changed, the decision of whether a game will require an internet connection to work and if that is a one-time authentication or a constant connection, will be left up to individual publishers. The next Xbox will allow publishers to decide if their games should require an internet connection to be played. The fact that offline gameplay, always online and one-time checks are supported, means that in the future, publishers will have much greater control over copyright protection for their games. Another thing developers and publishers will have more control over with next-gen Xbox games is the way achievements are used and updated. With the next Xbox, developers and publishers will be able to add more achievements to a game after launch, without the need to add DLC. This is designed specifically to allow developers to tweak player behavior, perhaps urging players to check out specific areas of a game or get past a difficult spot. Next-gen achievements can also be tied to broader events, like a weekend challenge or a communal goal, like contributing a set number of kills to the bigger goal of 10,000 kills over one weekend. Companies can also create cross-title achievements, like awarding points for finishing the first chapter in two different and unrelated games published by the same company. Some of these bigger, cross-title, communal achievements will be a requirement for all titles. Microsoft is playing around with cross-platform achievements as well. Ideally, these achievements could be earned by playing a game on the next-gen system and then using a companion app, a website or maybe even by playing a specific game, like a prequel to a next-gen title, on the Xbox 360. Microsoft is also looking to adjust the way Xbox Live functions to more closely align it with the way other social networks, like Twitter or Facebook, work. The next-generation Live won't have a cap on the number of friends a person can have. The way players add friends will also change. Now instead of it being a two-way friendship only, people can choose to follow one another, sort of like Twitter. We've reached out to Microsoft for comment on their support of always-online DRM, changes to Live and achievements and addition of video capture to the still-unannounced console and will update this story if and when they respond. Update: A Microsoft spokesperson had this to say in response to our questions and the article: "We're excited to share more about the new generation of games, TV and entertainment on May 21, but have nothing further to share at this time." Link to comment
leddis3 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 The very idea that anyone still thinks always-online is any form of anti-piracy is ridiculous. Time and again it has been proven that the only thing this kind of thing does is encourage piracy. I have seen people who would normally buy games seek out ways to hack and pirate them, rather than deal with this draconian and unnecessary form of control. Link to comment
HanPL Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 They will mod the x720 sooner or later same thing happend with X360 where it's possible to even operate on Linux system etc So people who have unmoded X720 will have to deal with anti-piracy and constant online while onwers of modded x720 will probably don't even bother with that issue. Link to comment
Nonsense667 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Pah. Heightened importance of sharing video my ass. And yeah, the "always online in order to prevent piracy" only holds the slightest bit of sense in regards to PC games. On a fucking console? Really? Piracy is not making near the dent that they like to act like, whether on pc or console, but on console especially. This is just them trying to eliminate used games, and to try and increase their revenue through dishonest and uncompassionate business practices. Like I've said before, fuck the next-gen xbox. (And I refuse to call it the 720, because that name is dumb as fuck.) Link to comment
leddis3 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Yeah Orth got fired about a week ago seeing as he decided to antagonize fans, engage in public arguments, make Microsoft look bad and oh yeah, violate the NDA on the Xbox 720. Link to comment
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