xxxxtxxxx Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 Hi All, I bought Skyrim Special Edition this week, and first followed the "SKYRIM : SPECIAL EDITION 2019 GRAPHICS TUTORIAL 100 Mods Edition" on Predcaliber. In addition to the files from this guide (all body mods are CBBE), I also went ahead and installed FNIS, FNIS spells and Schlongs, as well as placed the FNIS "overwrite file", which was generated by FNIS, after XPMSE (mod priority #106-110. The list below list contains all mods currently installed. While the graphics are awesome, I didn´t yet install CBBE-3BBB, CBPC, HDT-SMP and SexLab. My first question would be; Where do they fit in the priority list? On top of that, I was wondering if there are there any other essential mods I am missing? What about animations? I found "ZAZ Animation Packs for SE 1.0.0" on your website, however, from the description, it is unclear if I should download the ZAZ 7.0SE-Rev1.7z file, located under the green "Download this file" button, or the ZAZ 8.0+ CBBE HDT Rev3 file posted as a Mega link in the info section (or both). Apart from that, where should this animation be placed in the mod list? Thanks for helping out a newbie and stay safe! Mod manager used: MO2 #Mod_Priority,#Mod_Name "0000","DLC: HearthFires" "0001","DLC: Dragonborn" "0002","DLC: Dawnguard" "0003","Official Master Files - Cleaned" "0004","skse data files" "0005","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch" "0006","Cutting Room Floor" "0007","A Quality World Map - Classic with All Roads" "0008","SkyUI_5_2_SE" "0009","Immersive HUD - iHUD" "0010","RASR - Random Alternate Start Reborn SE" "0011","Skyrim_Realistic_Overhaul_Part_1" "0012","Skyrim_Realistic_Overhaul_Part_2" "0013","Skyrim_Realistic_Overhaul_Part_3" "0014","Skyrim_Realistic_Overhaul_1.8._Update" "0015","Skyrim_Particle_Patch_for_ENB-SSE" "0016","Enhanced Textures Detail (UV-Tweaks)" "0017","SMIM SE 2-08-659-2-08" "0018","Ruins_Clutter_Improved_SE_NMM" "0019","Skyland - A Landscape Texture Overhaul" "0020","Blended Roads" "0021","Tamriel Retextured - Main File" "0022","Skyrim 3D Landscapes Groundcovers 4k" "0023","HD Skyrim Overhaul - Highest Quality Pack" "0024","HD Lava (4k)" "0025","Just Ice 4k" "0026","Soul Cairn 4K" "0027","Sovngarde HD 4K" "0028","Skyrim" "0029","Farmhouse Addon" "0030","Indistiunguishable VANILLA Vivid Weathers Lighting" "0031","Underground - a dungeon texture overhaul" "0032","Gecko's Nordic Ruins - ULTRA Quality" "0033","Gecko's Dwarven Ruins Textures" "0034","CC's HQ Mines Redone - AiO - 1.5" "0035","Skyland Imperial Forts and Dungeons" "0036","SSE 2K Textures" "0037","Fluffy Snow - 2K" "0038","Mossy Bridge" "0039","Astral Aspect - 4K - 1.4" "0040","Stunning Statues of Skyrim" "0041","Mara FULL Saturation 4k" "0042","Obsidian Weathers - 1.07" "0043","ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition - 2K" "0044","Skyrim Textures Redone Enhanced Night Sky" "0045","Smooth Sky Mesh" "0046","02-red-rocks" "0047","The Elder Scrolls - Veydosebrom" "0048","Enhanced Vanilla Trees SE v1.9.0" "0049","Skyrim 3D Plants 3.4.1" "0050","3D Plants - Yashed Cut 1.3" "0051","Skyrim 3D Landscapes 1.0.6" "0052","Skyrim 3D Landscapes BILLBOARDS" "0053","Skyrim 3D Rocks" "0054","Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods" "0055","GeneratedLods" "0056","JK's Skyrim all in one" "0057","R's Farmhouse" "0058","Red Ivy Hotfix 2.0 (by Greenback12 and lornpel)" "0059","SMIM Rope Patch 2.0 (The forgotten Ropes)" "0060","Skyrim 3D StoneWalls" "0061","CC's HQ Carts - 4K - 1.0" "0062","3Ddoor" "0063","RUSTIC WINDOWS - Special Edition - 2K" "0064","HD Photorealistic Ivy" "0065","Enhanced Textures Detail (UV-Tweaks) - Compatibility Patch" "0066","R's Farmhouse and Handcarts - Compatibility Patch" "0067","Farmhouse Floor 4k" "0068","4K Retextured Mage Tables" "0069","Archery Target Retexture" "0070","Training Dummies 4k Texture Replacer" "0071","Ancient Automatons 4K" "0072","Ancient Dwemer Metal 4K" "0073","CC's Enhanced Ore Veins SSE - 4K - 7.2" "0074","Ennead Banners 4K.7z" "0075","CC's HQ Roadsigns SSE - HD - 4.2" "0076","Immersive Armors 8.1 SSE Test" "0077","Immersive Weapons" "0078","Dragonbone Weapons 4K HD" "0079","2k Dragonscale Armor" "0080","Ancient Falmer Armor HD" "0081","Outlandish Chitin Armour" "0082","Frankly HD Nightingale Armor and Weapons [SSE]" "0083","Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor and Weapons" "0084","Frankly HD Thieves Guild Armors" "0085","Frankly HD Shrouded Armor" "0086","Frankly HD Miraak [SSE]" "0087","Frankly HD Miraak HOTFIX 1.11" "0088","Frankly HD Miraak - CBBE SE" "0089","Frankly HD Imperial Armor And Weapons 4k" "0090","4k" "0091","ApachiiSkyHair_v_1_6_Full_optimized" "0092","ApachiiSkyHairFemale_v_1_5_Optimized" "0093","ApachiiSkyHairMale_v_1_2_Optimized" "0094","KS Hairdo's SSE - Female" "0095","Immersive KS Hairdos" "0096","The Men of Winter SSE" "0097","The Ordinary Women SSE 3.0 CBBE" "0098","Improved Bards 1.3 - CBBE Nude" "0099","Improved Bards CBBE SE - updated esp" "0100","Bijin Warmaidens SE v3.1.3" "0101","Bijin NPCs SE 1.2.1" "0102","Bijin Wives SE 1.1.2" "0103","Seranaholic SSE - Fomod - v1.1.0" "0104","Claire" "0105","Toccata Follower SE v1.4.2" "0106","FNIS Behavior SE" "0107","FNIS Spells SE 7.0" "0108","Schlongs of Skyrim SE" "0109","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended" "0110","FNIS Output" "0111","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-" "0112","Fair Skin Complexion for CBBE v10.0" "0113","The Eyes Of Beauty - Player" "0114","esp update for Player edition" "0115","The Eyes of Beauty - NPC" "0116","The Eyes of Beauty - Vampire Eyes SE" "0117","Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack" "0118","BellyAches HD Dragon Replacer 1.4" "0119","Shuffler90's Skeleton 4k retexture - 4k-2k version" "0120","Realistic Horse Breeds by Kritta Kitty" "0121","Horse Saddle Retextures 1.0" "0122","Archet's Dark Brotherhood Pack - Improved Shadowmere - Gray Saddle.zip" "0123","Enhanced Lights and FX" "0124","R's Handcart" "0125","AltStartELFXPatch And RaceMenuActivator" "0126","Unofficial ELFX SMIM fps performance patch" "0127","WEBS SE x2048" "0128","WEBS SE lighting mod patch" "0129","Realistic Water Two" "0130","Realistic Water Two - ENB Textures" "0131","Enhanced Blood Textures" "0132","VolcanicHeatHaze-by-fadingsignal.rar" "0133","High Poly Project" "0134","Weather Control" "0135","SSELodgen"
CanoLathra Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 Are you using Vortex, NMM, or Mod Organizer 2? If the answer is 'none of the above', look up Vortex and MO2 and choose one of them. Otherwise, we need to know which mod platform you are using. Also, get and use LOOT, as it will fix a lot of load order problems automatically, at which point you simply have to tweak anything it got wrong.
xxxxtxxxx Posted April 26, 2020 Author Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, CanoLathra said: Are you using Vortex, NMM, or Mod Organizer 2? If the answer is 'none of the above', look up Vortex and MO2 and choose one of them. Otherwise, we need to know which mod platform you are using. Also, get and use LOOT, as it will fix a lot of load order problems automatically, at which point you simply have to tweak anything it got wrong. Ah, sorry. I am using MO2. :)
CanoLathra Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 19 hours ago, vel88 said: Ah, sorry. I am using MO2. MO2 should be able to sort out the load order on its own for the most part. You will need for 3BBB to overwrite CBBE. If you use 3BBB Amazing (I highly recommend it), and your computer can handle it, select the HDT Full setting during installation, and make sure that HDT-SMP overwrites any conflicts with CBPC. Sexlab is its own thing, and shouldn't have any conflicts with anything else. To use it, you will need to use SexLab Animation Loader (SLAL), along with any animation packs you want. Make sure SLAL and all animation packs come after SexLab (MO2 should do this automatically), and run FNIS after you have installed all animation packs. If you do choose to use HDT-SMP, download the ZaZ 8.0 rev3 from the Mega link on the ZaZ SSE page. If you stick with just CBPC, there might be a non-HDT version of ZaZ 8 you can find, but otherwise just go wiith the latest version of ZaZ 7. Good Luck
xxxxtxxxx Posted April 27, 2020 Author Posted April 27, 2020 5 hours ago, CanoLathra said: MO2 should be able to sort out the load order on its own for the most part. You will need for 3BBB to overwrite CBBE. If you use 3BBB Amazing (I highly recommend it), and your computer can handle it, select the HDT Full setting during installation, and make sure that HDT-SMP overwrites any conflicts with CBPC. Sexlab is its own thing, and shouldn't have any conflicts with anything else. To use it, you will need to use SexLab Animation Loader (SLAL), along with any animation packs you want. Make sure SLAL and all animation packs come after SexLab (MO2 should do this automatically), and run FNIS after you have installed all animation packs. If you do choose to use HDT-SMP, download the ZaZ 8.0 rev3 from the Mega link on the ZaZ SSE page. If you stick with just CBPC, there might be a non-HDT version of ZaZ 8 you can find, but otherwise just go wiith the latest version of ZaZ 7. Good Luck Many thanks for your feedback. Just to double check: both CBPC and HDT-SMP are required for 3BBB. Does this mean that the load order should be CBBR, CBPC, HDT-SMP (so if automatically overwrites CBPC?) and then 3BBB. During the setup of 3BBB I should select HDT Full. Then, I should install SexLab, SLAL, animations and then run FNIS. It's ok if FNIS has a higher priority than the above packs? Or should it be at the end? Someone told me FNIS should be before XPMSE and the Overwrite output should be after. Is this correct?
CanoLathra Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 9 hours ago, vel88 said: Many thanks for your feedback. Just to double check: both CBPC and HDT-SMP are required for 3BBB. Does this mean that the load order should be CBBR, CBPC, HDT-SMP (so if automatically overwrites CBPC?) and then 3BBB. During the setup of 3BBB I should select HDT Full. Then, I should install SexLab, SLAL, animations and then run FNIS. It's ok if FNIS has a higher priority than the above packs? Or should it be at the end? Someone told me FNIS should be before XPMSE and the Overwrite output should be after. Is this correct? The human files from XPMSE should overwrite everything else, period. The animal and werewolf files from XPMSE can be overwritten by anything that changes them. The order of FNIS and the animation packs doesn't matter since the animations are called by the files FNIS generates, which will always load with FNIS. Anything other than animations in the animation packs (meshes+textures for props, audio, etc.) has no bearing on load order, as nothing should be trying to add/change those files (unless two packs use the same asset from another mod but neither wanted to make it a dependency). CBBE (if got directly from the Nexus page) should load first and be overwritten by everything. HDT-SMP should always overwrite CBPC if both are going to be used. If using 3BBB Amazing then you should select HDT Full and allow it to overwrite anything it wants. After that, the only things that should overwrite 3BBB are female texture replacers. Technically, 3BBB doesn't need HDT-SMP. It just looks a lot better with it. Don't forget to activate the HDT-SMP physics in-game (3BBB starts with them off by default). Otherwise, it will use CBPC for everything.
xxxxtxxxx Posted April 28, 2020 Author Posted April 28, 2020 5 hours ago, CanoLathra said: The human files from XPMSE should overwrite everything else, period. The animal and werewolf files from XPMSE can be overwritten by anything that changes them. The order of FNIS and the animation packs doesn't matter since the animations are called by the files FNIS generates, which will always load with FNIS. Anything other than animations in the animation packs (meshes+textures for props, audio, etc.) has no bearing on load order, as nothing should be trying to add/change those files (unless two packs use the same asset from another mod but neither wanted to make it a dependency). CBBE (if got directly from the Nexus page) should load first and be overwritten by everything. HDT-SMP should always overwrite CBPC if both are going to be used. If using 3BBB Amazing then you should select HDT Full and allow it to overwrite anything it wants. After that, the only things that should overwrite 3BBB are female texture replacers. Technically, 3BBB doesn't need HDT-SMP. It just looks a lot better with it. Don't forget to activate the HDT-SMP physics in-game (3BBB starts with them off by default). Otherwise, it will use CBPC for everything. Great, many thanks! With female texture replacers you mean hair, eyes, fairskin etc?
CanoLathra Posted April 29, 2020 Posted April 29, 2020 12 hours ago, vel88 said: Great, many thanks! With female texture replacers you mean hair, eyes, fairskin etc? That sort of thing, yes. Most of the time eyes and hairstyles are just additional options and won't overwrite anything, but some do, and skin texture mods always do.
xxxxtxxxx Posted May 1, 2020 Author Posted May 1, 2020 On 4/27/2020 at 4:02 PM, CanoLathra said: MO2 should be able to sort out the load order on its own for the most part. You will need for 3BBB to overwrite CBBE. If you use 3BBB Amazing (I highly recommend it), and your computer can handle it, select the HDT Full setting during installation, and make sure that HDT-SMP overwrites any conflicts with CBPC. Sexlab is its own thing, and shouldn't have any conflicts with anything else. To use it, you will need to use SexLab Animation Loader (SLAL), along with any animation packs you want. Make sure SLAL and all animation packs come after SexLab (MO2 should do this automatically), and run FNIS after you have installed all animation packs. If you do choose to use HDT-SMP, download the ZaZ 8.0 rev3 from the Mega link on the ZaZ SSE page. If you stick with just CBPC, there might be a non-HDT version of ZaZ 8 you can find, but otherwise just go wiith the latest version of ZaZ 7. Good Luck I just noticed there is a file called JContainers SE This file is required for SLAL. How should I install this?
CanoLathra Posted May 1, 2020 Posted May 1, 2020 8 hours ago, vel88 said: I just noticed there is a file called JContainers SE This file is required for SLAL. How should I install this? There is a version of it on the Nexus. I would grab it from there.
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