Screenshozs of brutality

[EmilySinclair]

Hey there,

 

I joined the forum to ask you to do me a favor. I ask you for screenshots of sexout showing brutality. I'm doing a project in fine arts and I'm very fascinated by this game. Unfortunately I'm not so interested in playing it myself, and even a little try would make me spend days on trying to install anything (as I#m really bad in such things).

What I find interesing is that you play your fantasies, they get more real than if they were staying in your mind. You're closer to the edge of reality atlhough everything remains absolutely fictional. I'm interested in how society deals with aggressions nowadays and how communication via our bodies takes place. For illustrating and giving a somehow interesting view on it I want to quotate playing this game as well.

 

Would you mind posting some screenshots of very brutal incidents, please? I wolud be very thankfull and appreciating your efforts!

 

I thank you very much in advance!

[nonusnomeni]

"by this game"

which game?

"fine arts"

didn't know pseudojournalism have so fancy name...

"What I find interesing is that you play your fantasies, they get more real than if they were staying in your mind. You're closer to the edge of reality atlhough everything remains absolutely fictional."

really? or in translation: such amount of violence must be reflected on reality and i can prove then violence in the "game" cause all evil on the world...

" I'm interested in how society deals with aggressions nowadays"

why don't you try middle east,mexico,rwanda; places well none for they high violent gaming society...

[GSBmodders]

Hey there' date='

 

I joined the forum to ask you to do me a favor. I ask you for screenshots of sexout showing brutality. I'm doing a project in fine arts and I'm very fascinated by this game. Unfortunately I'm not so interested in playing it myself, and even a little try would make me spend days on trying to install anything (as I#m really bad in such things).

What I find interesing is that you play your fantasies, they get more real than if they were staying in your mind. You're closer to the edge of reality atlhough everything remains absolutely fictional. I'm interested in how society deals with aggressions nowadays and how communication via our bodies takes place. For illustrating and giving a somehow interesting view on it I want to quotate playing this game as well.

 

Would you mind posting some screenshots of very brutal incidents, please? I wolud be very thankfull and appreciating your efforts!

 

I thank you very much in advance!

[/quote']

 

Oblivion, fallout and skyrim have moments of brutality but they are rather tame in comparison to starwars title's and tamer still in comparison to dragon age 2, mass effect 3, call of duty, and so on. I am afraid that you have picked a rather weak game to study if your intentions are true to your word. Further more if you truly want to study the effects of violence I suggest that you look at the MMORPG titles and study those that still offer open world PvP where the players get off on killing the characters of other players and then tormenting other players themselves.

[gregathit]

And if you want screenshots\videos then just type that into google, it will bring up tons of pictures\vids.

[EmilySinclair]

"by this game"

which game?

"fine arts"

didn't know pseudojournalism have so fancy name...

"What I find interesing is that you play your fantasies' date=' they get more real than if they were staying in your mind. You're closer to the edge of reality atlhough everything remains absolutely fictional."

really? or in translation: such amount of violence must be reflected on reality and i can prove then violence in the "game" cause all evil on the world...

" I'm interested in how society deals with aggressions nowadays"

why don't you try middle east,mexico,rwanda; places well none for they high violent gaming society...

[/quote']

 

Sorry if my words were misleading. I'm talking about Sexout New Vegas. Maybe you should know, that english is not my mothertongue. So if I use words that don't mean the same to you as their meaning appears to me, we should discuss that. I think you misunderstood my intention. I think, natural urges like aggression are declared as something retarded in people, nothing you should ever take serious. A person that's angry is nothing but a victim and therefore you shoukd have pity and disrespect. I think, that all persons still are aggressive somehow, but are not able to deal wit it healtyly in a way (I DON'T TALK ABOUT PLAYING COMPUTER GAMES! Rather setting wrong priorities, making themselves victims as consumers of beaty products etc.)

I'm alos looking at sexualized violence, also in comparison to violence-related sexual orientations or preferrences. I'm not judging it, nor do I have a thesis that I'd like to prove. I'm trying to get a feeling for the complexity of this subject.

 

I'm not only looking at the western society, but also consider what affects the people in other cultures. But I'm more interested in the cultures I at least have little chance to understand at least a tiny part of, and that's where I put my focus on.

 

My special interest in sexout is, somehow I guess, the same interest that people had in shooting games after people ran amok some years ago. Well, not exactly the same. I ask myself, if people would find it acceptable to live certain desires in a virtual world and if this kind of compensation maybe is even needed to cope with the world.

 

I don't mean, that people playing this game have something they have to compensate, not directly. It's more like they may be a part of a phenomenon in western society. And I picked this game because of the sexuality. I think physical disputes have some remarkable parallels to sex, on which levels do we deal with corporeality?

 

I think I still didn't mention everything unclear, but still I'd be very happy to see screenshots of brutal, sex-related sexout-situations. On the internet I have already found some. E.g. women with missing limbs being molested etc.

 

To some people these pictures may occur disturbing, but to return back to other cultures and countries on war, for people there that may seem more common because they have to see it every day. And then, e.g. the question appears: is ca certain amount of brutality a need of everybody? And then you can go on and on and more an more questions will come up and you can make a pseudo-philosophical construction and develop an moral opinion...

 

But I'm not interested in that. I prefer the unsolved questions.

So could you post pictures that may pose these questions to other people?

 

Thank you again!

[EmilySinclair]

Hey there' date='

 

I joined the forum to ask you to do me a favor. I ask you for screenshots of sexout showing brutality. I'm doing a project in fine arts and I'm very fascinated by this game. Unfortunately I'm not so interested in playing it myself, and even a little try would make me spend days on trying to install anything (as I#m really bad in such things).

What I find interesing is that you play your fantasies, they get more real than if they were staying in your mind. You're closer to the edge of reality atlhough everything remains absolutely fictional. I'm interested in how society deals with aggressions nowadays and how communication via our bodies takes place. For illustrating and giving a somehow interesting view on it I want to quotate playing this game as well.

 

Would you mind posting some screenshots of very brutal incidents, please? I wolud be very thankfull and appreciating your efforts!

 

I thank you very much in advance!

[/quote']

 

Oblivion, fallout and skyrim have moments of brutality but they are rather tame in comparison to starwars title's and tamer still in comparison to dragon age 2, mass effect 3, call of duty, and so on. I am afraid that you have picked a rather weak game to study if your intentions are true to your word. Further more if you truly want to study the effects of violence I suggest that you look at the MMORPG titles and study those that still offer open world PvP where the players get off on killing the characters of other players and then tormenting other players themselves.

 

thank you as well! I picked this game and this modders-forum because of the sexual violence, Can you recommend any other games, too?

[EmilySinclair]

Last but not least: to make the "fine arts"-thing clear, I thought taht would be the correct term for dividing art (acting etc.) from contemporary art. I thougt, If someone said he/she would study fine arts, everybody got the meaning of the sentence.

[GSBmodders]

Hey there' date='

 

I joined the forum to ask you to do me a favor. I ask you for screenshots of sexout showing brutality. I'm doing a project in fine arts and I'm very fascinated by this game. Unfortunately I'm not so interested in playing it myself, and even a little try would make me spend days on trying to install anything (as I#m really bad in such things).

What I find interesing is that you play your fantasies, they get more real than if they were staying in your mind. You're closer to the edge of reality atlhough everything remains absolutely fictional. I'm interested in how society deals with aggressions nowadays and how communication via our bodies takes place. For illustrating and giving a somehow interesting view on it I want to quotate playing this game as well.

 

Would you mind posting some screenshots of very brutal incidents, please? I wolud be very thankfull and appreciating your efforts!

 

I thank you very much in advance!

[/quote']

 

Oblivion, fallout and skyrim have moments of brutality but they are rather tame in comparison to starwars title's and tamer still in comparison to dragon age 2, mass effect 3, call of duty, and so on. I am afraid that you have picked a rather weak game to study if your intentions are true to your word. Further more if you truly want to study the effects of violence I suggest that you look at the MMORPG titles and study those that still offer open world PvP where the players get off on killing the characters of other players and then tormenting other players themselves.

 

thank you as well! I picked this game and this modders-forum because of the sexual violence, Can you recommend any other games, too?

 

I am trying to remember her name, she wrote a series of games all text based thus the writing part. The writing is extremely well done even though I had to stop reading after time due to the nature. She had a thing for blood play and fantasized about cannibalizing others and ultimately being cannibalized herself. for the life of me i cannot remember her name. i think if you are interested in looking those over you would have to google adult interactive sories and games.

 

other then that as far as violent sex acts go the japanese games are the place to look for those. Such as the japanese ryona series and violated heroine game for that you will want to change your browser to permit foreign search results. I do however vaguely remember a 3do game that was outlawed in the usa about 20 years ago. it depicted killing scantily clad women with a giant drill of sorts.

[ChancellorKremlin]

Sorry if my words were misleading. I'm talking about Sexout New Vegas. Maybe you should know' date=' that english is not my mothertongue. So if I use words that don't mean the same to you as their meaning appears to me, we should discuss that. I think you misunderstood my intention. I think, natural urges like aggression are declared as something retarded in people, nothing you should ever take serious. A person that's angry is nothing but a victim and therefore you shoukd have pity and disrespect. I think, that all persons still are aggressive somehow, but are not able to deal wit it healtyly in a way (I DON'T TALK ABOUT PLAYING COMPUTER GAMES! Rather setting wrong priorities, making themselves victims as consumers of beaty products etc.)

I'm alos looking at sexualized violence, also in comparison to violence-related sexual orientations or preferrences. I'm not judging it, nor do I have a thesis that I'd like to prove. I'm trying to get a feeling for the complexity of this subject.

 

I'm not only looking at the western society, but also consider what affects the people in other cultures. But I'm more interested in the cultures I at least have little chance to understand at least a tiny part of, and that's where I put my focus on.

 

My special interest in sexout is, somehow I guess, the same interest that people had in shooting games after people ran amok some years ago. Well, not exactly the same. I ask myself, if people would find it acceptable to live certain desires in a virtual world and if this kind of compensation maybe is even needed to cope with the world.

 

I don't mean, that people playing this game have something they have to compensate, not directly. It's more like they may be a part of a phenomenon in western society. And I picked this game because of the sexuality. I think physical disputes have some remarkable parallels to sex, on which levels do we deal with corporeality?

 

I think I still didn't mention everything unclear, but still I'd be very happy to see screenshots of brutal, sex-related sexout-situations. On the internet I have already found some. E.g. women with missing limbs being molested etc.

 

To some people these pictures may occur disturbing, but to return back to other cultures and countries on war, for people there that may seem more common because they have to see it every day. And then, e.g. the question appears: is ca certain amount of brutality a need of everybody? And then you can go on and on and more an more questions will come up and you can make a pseudo-philosophical construction and develop an moral opinion...

 

But I'm not interested in that. I prefer the unsolved questions.

So could you post pictures that may pose these questions to other people?

 

Thank you again!

[/quote']

 

Hi Emily,

 

From reading this post of yours, I have to say first and foremost, that I disagree with most if not all of the conclusions you're reached about the community of gamers that play Sexout (for Fallout New Vegas) - since this is the game you've chosen to do your project about.

 

Now, you must think that obviously, I'd (or we'd) be defensive, given both the nature of this community (gaming pornography) and perhaps even my status (a moderator, and obviously a Sexout fan) but let me tell you now that, while this may be the easy way out of rationalising this, it is no in fact, the truth.

 

You mention both "not directly having to compensate for something in real life" by playing these sort of sex-adding, demeaning and oft-called "violent" mods, that is, we play these mods for some sort of "thrill" we don't get in real life, and further, that this is a "western phenomenon". Well, neither could be farther from the truth.

 

Look up "rapelay" - a very Eastern (hell, about as Eastern as you can get!) experience where you not only stalk a family, which includes schoolgirl age girls, but also molest them, rape and them break them! I can tell you this now, nothing in Sexout even comes close to this!

 

By and by, most Sexout plugins focus exclusively on the sex, and that is always a sort of fetishist-woman-loses-her-freewill-is"raped"-likes/dislikes-is-then-set-free-scenario. If you're wondering why I have put "raped" in speech marks, it is because most of the time, the plugins hint that the player/victim really enjoyed/wanted the rape to happen (an obvious outcome for most male players who want to see their female avatars lose control) and thus, being consensual, doesn't really amount to rape at all) - that is for the most part. Very few, if any plugins, have any real punishment for refusing sex, other than... dun dun dun, sex! That's right, refuse sex, and you get sex!

 

I can't think of a plugin where, if you refuse sex, something horrid happens to the player. Sexout by and by, steers clear from mutilation, violence (other than the aforementioned "rape" and even then, it is worth mentioning there are no bludgeoning, beating or physical violence animations, just "vanilla" sex ones) and the only place where death and threads are employed, it is generally as a deterrent so the player complies with the scenario put before him/her.

 

So returning to your original request, to find "brutal" depictions of rape, violence and sexual assault, I can tell you you'll have no such luck with Sexout. You'll find no real physical violence or anything that attests to it, like scars, marks, blood or even gore. You could argue, from your artistic point of view, that either the majority of people aren't turned on by that, or that the gaming world simply hasn't reached that stage yet, but whatever you chose, I can tell you, Sexout is not where you will find your answer.

 

I hope this has made things somewhat clearer to you.

[GSBmodders]

^^^ is why i recommended her to the japanese games such as ryona and violated heroine. the japanese are about the only ones who mix slaughter and kill with sex.

[EmilySinclair]

Thank you all very much. I haven't come to any conclusion yet. I'm kind of exploring it, that's all. As you may have noticed, I'm not quite familiar with this subject and I'm very lucky that you took so much time to reply.

And to calm down the person that has posted above me: I'm not a journalist and I have no interest in making a story about anything that habppens here. The pictures would be a very, very small part of a big project. And that's the reason why I wanted this kind of things displayed (the most brutal that game can get - and I know it's far from the most brutal thing that has been develloped) - I wanted to get the most extreme impression you can get from this game (even if that's not comparable to the brutality of asian games). Often there's not the time to get the interest of people by telling them the whole story but they get curious if they see something catchy. I make a summary of very catchy pictures relatedted to corporeal communication in western society. I think, things are too complicated to understand the direct influences on each other, I only want to display the complexity somehow. I want to flood people's minds with a lot of different pictures and these pics have to show the essence of a thing that happend to cross my way.

 

I'm sure I wasn't sensitive enough, or my words lead to wrong conclusions, because I wasn't able to make my point clear.

 

Basically I think our society is developping some pathologies, or phenomenons that can be seen pathological but may also mean the opposite. We have lots of possibilities to develop, network, communicate, ... more than ever before. That provides the possibilities of crowd sourcing but also things like the information bubble (just to mention two contrasting phenomenons of the network society). It means that there a ne requirements, but also new ways to cope with everything. We have the opportunity to develop a better society, but we also have the possibility to develop a more pathological society. I don't know wether playing fantasies like in computer games is good or bad (and I don't see any possibility or need o judge about that), but it is a fact that people play.

 

I have known before, that there are some asian games that are a lot more brutal and "ill" or whatever. But I'm not familiar with this culture and all I can assume is, that conditions there a maybe worse then here (conditions for individuals in working-life e.g.). From gore-sites on the internet I know that there are many asians and they deal with a large variety and intensity of kinky stuff and their networks are better developped than european ones I think. But I'd like to look at western society and its specific phenomenons. Even if they are not as extreme as in asia. And to be honest, to read the intructions and descriptions of certain plugins was very funny. It may be a possibility as well, that people get more open with their sexual desires and are able to take it to a humorous level - as one of the possible interpretations I find that very appealing :-)

 

I'll attach some photos i found related to sexout on google that show the kind of pictures I'm interested in. It's true that they are far from extreme, but it's "brutal" for this game... (pic with dogs because of themselves being rotten or something like that).

[gregathit]

Pictures 2 and 4 don't have anything to do with sexout. Those are merely poses that you can get by installing the vanilla game, a nude body mod and a pose mod.

[Corpus Vile]

Often there's not the time to get the interest of people by telling them the whole story but they get curious if they see something catchy. I make a summary of very catchy pictures relatedted to corporeal communication in western society. I think' date=' things are too complicated to understand the direct influences on each other, I only want to display the complexity somehow. I want to flood people's minds with a lot of different pictures and these pics have to show the essence of a thing that happend to cross my way.[/quote']

 

Then I'd suggest skipping games altogether, "brutality" in games isn't extreme or graphically defined enough to draw anyone's attention if they only get to catch a brief glimpse of a screenshot, especially not in western games which try to appeal to the generally prudish and hypocritical politically correct demands of the audience.

I'd rather look for it in movies:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073650/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1273235/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093608/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086541/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080491/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870984/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204700/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101420/ (just kidding)

These are just examples, sex+violence is a theme that's been around since animal life began on this planet, but it hasn't been explored thoroughly enough in games yet.

Not that there's anything inherently complex behind it, by the way, it's just that: sex and violence, just another way to satisfy one's senses.

[EmilySinclair]

The most brutal that game can get is putting a bullet through someones head and splattering there brains against a wall. What your missing is that what you have so far in pic's is nothing more then fetish. Picking "sexout" alone is suspicious enough because in and of itself it is not Brutal' date=' the game itself is. Sexout only adds the ability for fetishism, wherever a person wants to take it. Your being too specific looking just at Sexout as a means of brutality. Leave Sexout out of the equation. Look at the game itself. It is far more brutal then anything you'll get from sexout. And you have failed to prove your intentions nor have I calmed, I am even more suspicious. Go to the source if you want the inside story of brutality, not LoversLab. It is nothing more then a fictional game of a worse case scenario. All the recent hype about "Brutal Games Making Kids Killers in Real Life" and you want me to be calm? No, Hell No, No Fucking Way. Until I'm proven wrong about this, Hell No. I like this community, they are at least real, and when I see something that has the potential to do it harm I get a bit "testy" shall we say.

Putting up a bunch of Brutal "Screenshozs" as you call them, is the worse thing this community could do to itself. and it's Screenshots, z is far away from t to be a mistake.

[/quote']

 

It was a typing-thing. German tastatures have t and z as neighbours (y isn't used so often in my mother tongue). Again I get the feeling, that I expressed my intentions in a wrong way. You give me more power than I have. I'm not able to destroy your community and I don't want it at all. I find sexout very interesting, if my fetish desires could be fullfilled by it, I'd even try to install it myself (even if that would be very complicated for me). But i#m turned on by other things than sexout could provide. As I told you before I'm also interested in the fetish thing in comparison to the unconsensual violence, whose border can easily be crossed and isn't always so defined. I'm not interested in exploiting your efforts nor do I try to find an "expleantion" for real-life-behaviour. The only thing I do, is to do a little research for an arts project, that only very few people are going to see and fewer people will be able to understand. I'm not going to present any "opinion" but only things that cought my iterest. I leave it to the observer to get to his/her own conclusion if they want (or just let them be emotionally confused)

 

I DON'T JUDGE! Maybe I don't think gaming reflects your behaviour in real life, as you propose. At least I don't believe in it. But maybe it's interesting to find out, what power gaming has and how this additional, formerly not existing, part of life can enrich it but also can have other influences on our society. As far as I can, I stay neutral.

 

And there's one thing I don't agree with you: putting a bullet through ones head and see his brain al over the place is surely not the most brutal a game can get! There a ways of torturing people (and I know that you can play games like that) that are not comparable to a quick "painless" death. It's always also dependent on the gamers themselves, what they find brutal.

 

I think I'm not able to make you less suspicious. How shoul I PROVE my intentions?

 

And I post a last request to all: Please send me two or three screenshots that show an aspect of sexout, that may seem brutal to some persons (but maybe to others not). If your actually intending to help me, don't hesitate to ask further questions!

 

Thank you!

[EmilySinclair]

Often there's not the time to get the interest of people by telling them the whole story but they get curious if they see something catchy. I make a summary of very catchy pictures relatedted to corporeal communication in western society. I think' date=' things are too complicated to understand the direct influences on each other, I only want to display the complexity somehow. I want to flood people's minds with a lot of different pictures and these pics have to show the essence of a thing that happend to cross my way.[/quote']

 

Then I'd suggest skipping games altogether, "brutality" in games isn't extreme or graphically defined enough to draw anyone's attention if they only get to catch a brief glimpse of a screenshot, especially not in western games which try to appeal to the generally prudish and hypocritical politically correct demands of the audience.

I'd rather look for it in movies:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073650/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1273235/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093608/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086541/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080491/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870984/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204700/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101420/ (just kidding)

These are just examples, sex+violence is a theme that's been around since animal life began on this planet, but it hasn't been explored thoroughly enough in games yet.

Not that there's anything inherently complex behind it, by the way, it's just that: sex and violence, just another way to satisfy one's senses.

 

Thanks for the hints. The difference between the movies and the games is, that you are a silent observer in a movie, but your playing actively. Futhermore games are more recent and a phenomenon of the information age and the network society, which has developped only in the last 15 years.

But I thank you very much for taking me serious. I thought with the mods you leave the hypocritical part of gaming, as people design it with their own visions.

[ChancellorKremlin]

You know, I've never really understood what happened to art. As an artist, I want you to tell me what is your field's obsession with violence, gore, brutality and poor taste? Is it the shock effect?

 

Here I am on LL and seeing an "artist" request pictures of Sexual brutality. The other day, I read an "artist" held an exhibition in Argentina entitled "Life and Death" where he put goldfish in blenders/liquefiers, and allowed the visitors to either kill them or let them live. Obviously, some people opted to turn the things on. The day before, I read about how an "Australian" artist invited a Brazilian virgin to lose her virginity via auction, for an "art project". The day before that, an "artist" made a sculpture of Auschwitz' train station out of gold teeth from the remains of holocaust victims, the day before that, an "artist" stole, STOLE ashes from cremated holocaust victims and painted a fresco with it. The week before, a friend of mine, an "artist" needed to make an "art project", so she decided to scrape off roadkill and make it out of that.

 

So tell me EmilySinclair, when did it become more about this...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And less about this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You want brutality? Go to the nearest art convention near you.

[EmilySinclair]

You know' date=' I've never really understood what happened to art. As an artist, I want you to tell me what is your field's obsession with violence, gore, brutality and poor taste? Is it the shock effect?

 

Here I am on LL and seeing an "artist" request pictures of Sexual brutality. The other day, I read an "artist" held an exhibition in Argentina entitled "Life and Death" where he put goldfish in blenders/liquefiers, and allowed the visitors to either kill them or let them live. Obviously, some people opted to turn the things on. The day before, I read about how an "Australian" artist invited a Brazilian virgin to lose her virginity via auction, for an "art project". The day before that, an "artist" made a sculpture of Auschwitz' train station out of gold teeth from the remains of holocaust victims, the day before that, an "artist" stole, STOLE ashes from cremated holocaust victims and painted a fresco with it. The week before, a friend of mine, an "artist" needed to make an "art project", so she decided to scrape off roadkill and make it out of that.

 

So tell me EmilySinclair, when did it become more about this...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And less about this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You want brutality? Go to the nearest art convention near you.

 

it is a natural urge in art, I thinkn to explore and use freedom in order to reflect reality and to puah things forward (as art ican be the most free section of life). There has been a lot of production of aethetic things (as I would call the second block of pictures), but aethetic things are very limited compared to the absolute freedom.

 

It is the question what function art has and role art plays or should play in a society. My answer is, that there are no limits to art. It can either provide a place where you can be impressed by beautiful things, that move you in a positive way and broaden your emotional horizont, or you can also put up a mirror to try to see what people do if they can see themselves better (that's what I do). There are many fields you can explore and while doing that you're automatically fathoming certain frontiers. What's science, what's art? What can have a value and what is this value for? Who sets values? ... these a tiny tiny tiny questions of so many that can be posted.

 

Formerly the role of art was defined very strictly and the understanding of it was limited to a certain elite. This is still the case somehow, but things could change. Everything could change. Now art is mostly still something you can buy, a good, but things will change to more immaterial ways of expressing things.

 

Your hint with the art exhibition was very unhelpful by the way. I'm somehow angry, that nobody tries to understand, why I need the screenshots of sexout

 

I could write a text about 100 sites I guess. But I'm busy, really busy. And I try to answer in honouring way to everyone posting something. But I think nobody's going to help me I see. You're suspicious and defending (although I'm not attacking anyone) So I quit posting after some time of waiting again.

[zippy57]

No one is giving you what you're looking for because it's not here. Sexout does not add violence or brutality to the game. What we don't understand is why you don't understand that. If you want examples of violence or brutality in New Vegas, go here instead.

[EmilySinclair]

Or better yet' date=' explore your own brutality by playing the game yourself and creating your own screenshots. linking sexout to brutality is wrong because it is not. The screenshots you posted are not from sexout, they are from pose mods then photoshoped to look brutal. the game does most of the work for you in that it has already dismemberment and the ability to move corpses that have already been mutilated. what you show has nothing to do with sexout. Sexout only adds the ability to have indiscriminate sex period. If you want brutal dismemberment sex, you'll have to create your own with what mods are available and your own creativity. we won't make it for you. or I should say since I don't speak for others here, I surely won't make it for you, it's not my thing.

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I don't want ot install it, because my sexual desires go in a whole different direction. It's my "professional" interest that brought me here (professional in the sense of not being connected to my own personal desires). I personally don't like gory sex. Thought you mixed it up.

 

Maybe if I was into that personally I'd try to create mods, but my professional interest isn't that strong. If what I#m looking for is not here - ok. I'll try to contact the poster of these pics personally to ask him how these pics were created.

 

Thank you and Sorry for bringing you to a mood where your styles of writing all sound a bit tempered to me.

[nonusnomeni]

so i was wrong

i hate when "I" am wrong

i can understand then somebody else make mistake

but me?

that is unacceptable...

i am sorry for such defensive hostility, but pseudo scientist and pseudo journalist are very aggressive this days...

as for the sexout, well sexout is really wrong address for getting that what you looking for, simple because sexout is what name said;

sex out, it make only possible to have some sex with some NPC and nothing else, no gore, no dismemberment or mutilation...

worst thing, the most aggressive or the most offensive as you like, in the game is to be raped by some monster what will broke almost all your bones but you wont see you character or NPC without arms or legs...

and that is all about sexout; romance, prostitution, rape, but not torture or mutilation or other heavy gore stuff...

and look like art, after games and TV, will be next goat to be blamed for natural human blood thirst...

[DoctaSax]

I don't want ot install it, because my sexual desires go in a whole different direction. It's my "professional" interest that brought me here (professional in the sense of not being connected to my own personal desires). I personally don't like gory sex. Thought you mixed it up.

Actually, the sexout family of mods provides a whole lot of different types of content so you don't even know for sure whether it meets your own interests or not. Gory sex happens to be one of the few things we don't have, along with pederasty. You've made assumptions that resulted in expectations we can't meet.

 

There are things in the sexout spectrum that can be disturbing to some people, like slavery or monster sex fantasies, but none of that dismemberment stuff at all. Even if we did have it, I don't think you could interpret any of it properly without playing the game & the mods for a good while, to see it in the context of a game that is completely over the top and tongue-in-cheek about gore and the results of a nuclear apocalypse as it comes out of the box. The fact that you express no interest in exploring that context while asking for pics of stuff so extreme we don't even have it, does not inspire confidence.

 

We live in an age where people who don't know anything about games blame games for a lot of things and want to censor this & that. Not to mention that people who aren't interested in sex mods for games have an awful lot to say about those too, none of it good. We're used to people 'from the outside' not understanding what we're about, because they haven't played, which results in them mocking what we do and being insulting and prejudiced. It's more than natural that we become defensive by default.

 

Which is why we'd rather have no publicity than bad publicity - people who want to play these mods will find us anyhow - and while you say you don't judge, what about your audience or some local press? Can they see things in context? And are you really as neutral and non-judgmental as you think when you only wish to select the most extreme? The way I read it, you want something with shock value to underline some ideas about the function of art. But things with shock value create moral panic, and we're not interested in getting mixed up with any of that at all.

[R733]

Violence, its reason and nature, should be the major subject for every artist. Violence, evil, negativity whatever you call it is one of biggest issues of our species (next to ignorance) and must be adressed with appropriate attention.

 

I wrote my graduate work about violence. It sucked. It sucked big donkey dicks, however during passing years I was able to expand my views on the subject. First of I suggest to stay away from biology and psychology. That was mistake. Biology and psychology is mainly based on false assumptions (like most of our science) and leads to self-contradicting, confusing implications.

 

To understand human nature you must first understand the energy that created it. Start from physics. Frankly it's the only real science as it contains all other branches inside of it; everything is made of energy that physics attempts to describe. Most of mainstream science is under corporate/governmetal control so you must learn how to examine scientific data (experimental evidence) and create coherent (logical) conclusions out of it. Mojority of scientific community is still based on self-contradicting objective causality principle, search for independent, open-minded scientists.

 

As to "sources" in our culture/art I'd suggest "American Psycho" book. It's probably one of the the best, most conclusive, introvertive books about violence/philosophy of comparison. It's also the most detailed and unrestricted in portrayed fantasies. Cannibalsim, dismemberment, using dismembered parts for masturabation, sewing small animals inside vagina and then chainsawing it in half... you name it and it probably is in American Psycho. The book is not really about violence or sex in violence, it's about competiton mode and its results with violence being only a symptom. Inside philosophy of comparison satisfaction can be only achieved by domination.

 

As for movies I'd suggest "Natural Born Killers" and "Clockwork Orange". Both very good, but Oliver Stone movie is more complex and deeper. There is also "American Psycho" movie, which is good, but lacks many of conclusions from the book. Thre is also "Bitter Moon" by Polanski, but it is rather about psychological than physical torture.

 

As for games fallout 3, Skyrim and oblivion is low art so I'd stay away from it. Most of mods don't go outside concept of porn. Fallout New vegas is this weird construct between high art games like Morrowind and mainstream -censored- like Skyrim. The only interesting adult mod for Fallout NV (I'm aware of) is "Playthings" that recently has been deleted/castrated as someone didn't liked that author used copyrighted sounds. "Playthings" did offer torturing girls but nothing extreme (nothing you won't find on xvideos). There is also my mod for morrowind, probably most extreme one, but -fortunately for me- no one plays morrowind any more. And even my mod dosen't really allow something that you can't see on xvideos.

 

Id like to point out that there is no difference between violence and sexual violence, it's the same mechanism just overlapped on sexual activities. Anyway, I suggest to base your research on scientific data and some philosophical movies. Game industry is nowadays only industry and has nothing to do with art.

[EmilySinclair]

Wow I'm so impressed and lucky because of the last three posts! Again my theories prove that's always worth asking people. It may not lead to what you've expected but most of the time it's broadening your horizont.

 

You've identified me as an outsider, which is totally the fact. The reasons why I don't play games at all, are at first, that there are so many things in life I have to decide for or against, the things that structure my life and should give it a sense, that I had to make a decision against gaming. I decided in this way, because I try to stay away from addictive substances as far as possible, because my condition is very affective to any kind of adiction. Even if it may sound ridicolous: I really had a hard time struggling with tetris in my puberty, I can hardly imagine the effects of a game like this to me. I have zero media-competence, as I assume and a weak will.

 

But still I'm very interested in the life of people who are capable of playing and I'm fascinated by the worlds that are created. It must sound strange to you and I really can understand it. And if you're telling me, I should just try it myself - you're probably right, but I can't.

 

You've given me an Insight thta will surely prevent me from exaggerating anything. I'm not sure if I'd been able to say that, before your comments. I would have tried, but maybe would not been able to do it. DoctaSax, I think if you read my posts before, you could come to the conclusion, that I'd like to simply shock people, you're right. But I'd prefer to create a bizarre feeling, maybe a bit cynical (due to the chosen ignorance of art-elite-people), that isn't able to be reached by shocking.

 

So far, I'd try to find descriptions of the different mods and use them as soundtrack, to simply show the posiibilities you have as a gamer and modder, in combination of some pictures of the differnet mods (the pictures of the different aspects I've collected so far are also accompanied by sound). The descriptions often speak for themselves, they amused me, and I think others will as well be amused. They won't be shocked, but maybe ask, how they can find it amusing to hear the description of "brutalrapers". Somebody wrote through which mods the gory pictures I posted were created, maybe I'll use the description of these mods as well. But I'll make shure to be responsible for not mixing up what loverslab does and what others created.

Would you accept that? Again I want to stress, that the pictures surely won't be seen by many people, they are are part of an overloaded thing, that the few visitors will have to be lucky to pick exactly the sexout part.

 

To answer the last post, I have to tell you that I prefer the term aggression concerning my project. I find you're recommendation "American Psycho" quite fitting, because I look at aggression in comparison to the current society which is strongly influenced, maybe even intrumentalised by the current condition of capitalism which causes the so intensively internalised competition mode, as you describe it.

 

For rating the differnt sciences, I'm too ignorant. But for me, I potentially always am suspicious because of the MANY axioms and premises of all sciences :-) But when you're willing to accept certain premises, I probably would agree with you (but I'm sometimes (very, very infrequnetly) refusing to use logic as measurement, because the trust in logic is only the believe in it, noone can prove that you're getting closer to truth by thinking logically).

 

Thank you for the other reccommondations, I understand why you've chosen them.

 

I'm really thankfull for your conclusion concerning the gaming-world and the description of playthings.

 

I like the Thought that games are part of a big industry (as art is often itself), but which you can modify and make it artistical in a way yourself. But not all computer games are represented via big companies, aren't they?

 

For my researches I also used sientific texts and date (as you proposed), but I'm also exploring it intuitively - whicht brought me here :-)

 

(I'm still open to screenshots ;-) If it's not "brutal"-brutal, it's ok. But interesting or beautiful maybe help aswell? - and SORRY I don't play myself...)I

 

thank you again a lot.

[R733]

But still I'm very interested in the life of people who are capable of playing and I'm fascinated by the worlds that are created.

 

Why not contemplate our world then - the third mall from the sun is our creation. I cannot imagine anything more obscene' date=' obnoxiously wasteful and retarded than capitalism.

 

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So far' date=' I'd try to find descriptions of the different mods and use them as soundtrack, to simply show the posiibilities you have as a gamer and modder, in combination of some pictures of the differnet mods (the pictures of the different aspects I've collected so far are also accompanied by sound).[/quote']

 

I'd suggest these tracks. I think that they're copyrighted though. Not that I belive in intellectual property.

 

 

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I prefer sex when its an animal act,

Oh yeah.

 

So you sent me pictures of you,

Fucking someone else,

Progress, Incense,

Now we're getting somewhere.

Now that we've acknowledged,

That we're going nowhere,

I couldn't even pretend to care.

 

His eyes are lost, and his form is gone,

His time was up and he lies in the fields,

In the banks of rivers and on the edges.

 

Urge to kill and love and hold and smash.

Stomach.

 

Power energy fucking huge holes,

in the face of the universe,

The power is here.

that bastard has nothing.

The heart is in my crotch,

The powerful static,

Show me your insides,

Lets stick lies into each others skins.

 

His eyes are lost, and his form is gone,

His time was up and he lies in the fields,

In the banks of rivers and on the edges.

 

Urge to kill and love and hold and smash.

Stomach.

 

So turn off your dusty stares,

Because we're all alone out here.

I couldn't even pretend to care.

 

I prefer sex when its an animal act.

Beast. Mammal.

Beast. Mammal.

Beast. Mammal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Cry at my feet; The god made of man,

Drinking your face with my hands,

You were the one clinging to me,

There's nothing but the sex you gave us both,

I was always stronger than you,

I'm burying your soul with my boots,

Walking away, fucking and drunk.

 

Remember ten minutes of your worst time for me.

The ocean was trying to swallow the land,

I don't remember, the words never leave.

Those moments won't... Fuck I forgot.

 

Lets burn down forever.

Lets burn down our children together.

 

I'll spit on you again but I don't know when,

I'll wait to see you outside the gates of heaven,

Now I could explain what I couldn't back then,

The devil walk me away with a sympathetic grin.

 

Lets burn down together.

Lets burn down our houses together.

Lets burn down forever.

Lets burn down our children together.

 

Burn me down, shoot me in the chest,

Burn me down, shoot me in the chest,

Burn me down, shoot me in the chest,

Lets fuck one last time, In a burning bed.

Lets fuck one last time, In a burning bed.

Lets fuck one last time, In a burning bed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

For rating the differnt sciences' date=' I'm too ignorant. But for me, I potentially always am suspicious because of the MANY axioms and premises of all sciences :-) But when you're willing to accept certain premises, I probably would agree with you (but I'm sometimes (very, very infrequnetly) refusing to use logic as measurement, because the trust in logic is only the believe in it, noone can prove that you're getting closer to truth by thinking logically).[/quote']

 

Logic is abstract concept based on operations on objectivity. If you are able to get statment trivial enough to be objective, you'll get truth as result of logical operations on objective statments. It's important to aknowledge logic as verification of every theory. While the universe itself is not a machine it contains -or better- it can be reduced (at some level) to a machine. Computer you use would not work if not the element of predictable objectivity.

 

Our science is on treshold; they have to combine objectivity (mechanics) and subjectivity (science of the "soul"; creativity, chaos etc) in order to grow. Most of scientists cling to objectivity as this gives them position of "knwoledge" and authority that used to be domain of the ancient priesthood.

 

Use your intuition but along with logic. Without logic you won't be able to get any useful conclusions from gained experience. Without objective framework creation would become incomprehensible chaos without ability to get any feedback for evolving consciousness.

 

noone can prove that you're getting closer to truth by thinking logically).

 

Scientfic evidence is experimental verification of theory/assumption. While most of science is just theory (you don't really do prove in science) there is good and bad science; good one is faithful to experimental evidence and its logical implications' date=' while bad contradicts experiments and is illogical. Logical implications always bring us closer to the truth, if the assumptions are truth. There comes another condition for good science; few assumptions. This is why string theory is a pseudo-science.

 

To answer the last post, I have to tell you that I prefer the term aggression concerning my project.

 

Aggression is a man's thing, psyche of man have been manufactured or -at least- heavily influenced by archetype of warrior for thousends of years in human culture. It's very primitive, animalistic (mechanical) psychology that was possible to introduce mostly by feeding on ignorance and low (average) intelligence of our species along with over-stimulated adrenaline output. Instinct kill or die have been cultivated. It's the reasoning based on domination (lead) or submit (obey). Both of these postures are essence of malevolence and limitation of energy. Energy is most potent when is unrestricted. Agression/effort has been promoted as main tool of solving problems to reinforce survivalistic mode with little or no energy left for education which could lead to unwanted change - advanced maturity.

 

I can look for some screens, although I play mostly morrowind. Something on the "light side".