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My mom was very good and nice to me and I turned to be a bad girl.

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My mom was very good and nice to me and I turned to be a bad good girl.

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It will be hard advice

I do not know if this will help, but - I think his mother is projecting her own issues onto him.

I am going to guess, though:

People get base their understanding of other people on their own experiences. This is completely natural but all-too-often unpleasant.

Sad news indeed. Yet I'm confident Prince will overcome it. And sooner or later, his mother will want to see his child ; accompanied in this with his sister. After the rain comes the fine weather, or so we are told.

1 hour ago, sen4mi said:

I do not know if this will help, but - I think his mother is projecting her own issues onto him.

 

I am going to guess, though:

 

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Spoiler: bible verses ahead.

 

I am guessing his mother is misinterpreting some part of the bible, thinking that suggestions specific to some other people's situations was intended to describe your relationship.

 

So, first, I am going to point out some bible verses she probably is trying to pretend do not exist. Verses which strongly suggest that complicated relationships can be legitimate. (Though, of course, those relationships are not your relationships, also.)

 

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Exodus 21:10 -- "If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights."

 

Genesis 29 -- Jacob,Rachel and Leah's relationship (the basis of the tribes of Israel).

 

And then Song of Solomon (the whole book and related writings) - Solomon had 600 wives and 300 concubines (probably in part trying to recover population after war, and of course also to create alliances to keep from being wiped out, and also possibly with other males involved or lots of close female-female relationships or something because otherwise it would have been probably too lonely, even for the sort of highly structured system that military discipline tends to create).

 

John 4 (the entire chapter) - here was a woman with five husbands. Especially note: (a) Jesus did not tell her to stop sinning or any such thing, and (b) she was extremely happy with his acceptance of her.

 

So, basically, what I am trying to point out here, is that his mother probably believes that the entire foundation of the bible is sinful.

 

Then there's the other side of the story - his mother's side of the story.

 

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I think she's basing her opinion off of opinions formed from people reading "Paul"'s writings, and from surviving some really awful relationships.

 

Now... "Paul" (originally named "Saul") was infamous for attempting to destroy the Christian Church. Mostly, I think he was expressing views of a particular sect to people that bothered him - probably also he was strongly influence by Roman culture. Anyways, ... for some reason it's really popular to imagine that what Paul wrote overrides anything else in the bible. And I imagine that that's what's happening here.

 

My belief is that she is projecting her own sin (or her own ideas of sin - I rather strongly suspect that someone with her background can't adequately understand what sin really is -- but sin has to include the sort of foolishness that gets people killed) onto you all. 

 

In other words, I expect she is a part of a religious group that is based on claiming to respect the Bible while actually trying to destroy everything it stands for. And, so: lots of snide remarks and implying things without actually saying them - of necessity, because it's sort of nonsense and sort of based on completely different situations. This is the legacy of tv preachers...

 

Which is kind of depressing, but also kind of boring (since that has been the way of things for some people throughout history).

 

That said, ... if we look at history, ... there are going to be plenty of reasons for people to not be in relationships. Also, sexual relationships tend to have limited size (because diseases if nothing else, but also because of emotional and practical limitations of people). But... his mother's using the Bible as an excuse to criticize your relationship probably means she has not read it, or has utterly failed to comprehend it.

 

Then again, I am just guessing. I have not actually met her, and  maybe she's just using phrases like "living in sin" because that's the in-thing to do in her social group, and/or she has some other entirely different reason for saying such things???  Probably not, though, so I am expecting the boring explanation to be accurate here.

 

 

 

People get base their understanding of other people on their own experiences. This is completely natural but all-too-often unpleasant.

Interesting points. In my opinion, one could found a lot of messages in the bible, some of then relatively contradictory (the Messiah which was supposed to destroy Israel's enemies being one of those, the Jews are still waiting for that part to come true while Christians went for a completely different interpretation). So in the end, regardless of what the text does say, the added weight of tradition and interpretations are what define how the roman church calls out for the Christians to behave. And currently, that tradition goes by marriage. And here goes the obstacle for polygamy in the Christian church. So, as you mentioned, it's not a pure consequence of the texts. 

What would be a straight consequence from the texts however, would be NOT to reject the ones considered as sinners, and on the contrary give them extra attention. That can be found in the Bible, and is at the complete opposite of the attitude of quite a lot of Christians. Not of all of them though.

30 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

What would be a straight consequence from the texts however, would be NOT to reject the ones considered as sinners, and on the contrary give them extra attention. That can be found in the Bible, and is at the complete opposite of the attitude of quite a lot of Christians. Not of all of them though.

I agree to your interpretation! From the depth of my heart.

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

Interesting points. In my opinion, one could found a lot of messages in the bible, some of then relatively contradictory (the Messiah which was supposed to destroy Israel's enemies being one of those, the Jews are still waiting for that part to come true while Christians went for a completely different interpretation). So in the end, regardless of what the text does say, the added weight of tradition and interpretations are what define how the roman church calls out for the Christians to behave. And currently, that tradition goes by marriage. And here goes the obstacle for polygamy in the Christian church. So, as you mentioned, it's not a pure consequence of the texts. 

I am also inclined to think some about the "what is marriage" thing.

Is it a certain kind of ceremony?

Is it a certain legal status?

etc.

(Obviously, originally, none of these. Personally, I imagine originally, it was both the act of sex (mating) and the sorts of relationships which naturally grow out of that. Everything else, I feel, is after-market addons...)

Weight of history, indeed...

Your hormones being wild is not gonna go away until you give birth Eva ☺️, its natural.

As for her mother, Prince should cut her off honestly, this religious crusade of her has no place in your life and your kid too, last thing would need she start force converting the kid some fanatic like that Kurt guy. ?

He is rightfully angry, but I think he can get over this, no way he gonna let her rampage your lives.

Thank you, guys for wonderful comfort. My Prince sleeps and my Ivy is awaken with me because I can't sleep. We had a long walk and talk last night and he feels much better.  You see, he and his disabled sister were very close. She enormously loves him and my Prince suffer because he knows how hard it is for her not seeing her brother. He was her whole world after father's death. He just hope she won't have any other mental complications after their mother's decision to not to see each other.

@worik> I turned to a good girl thanks to my Prince. But before I met him, I was very bad person in every way. My father wasn't hard on me like Prince's mother was hard on my Prince, but he knew to be rough and senseless when he had enough of my mischief. My mother was always full of understanding, patient and love for me. I simply ignored her good heart. As for my Prince, he blocked his mother on his phone. He told her to call him only if she is ready to accept our marriage and Ivy and me. But she was slick and she used his sister tablet to provoke him. Kurt incredibly spoiled her mind and she became very fanatical and extremist. I'm grateful that our parents accepted him as their own son and they love him and support him (and us). My Prince told me that his mother read the Bible every day and she was very active member of some Pentecostal church, but she lived "emotional" Christianity and didn't understand the Bible. Her worldview was the same as of Inquisition.  Therefore, all the things she couldn't understand and agree with she marked as evil and from the devil.

@sen4mi> Thanks for theological insight. I know nothing about it, but my Prince does for his father has Master's degree and theology, psychology and philosophy. They talked a lot about god and meaning of life. According to my prince he is sure that his father will accept our marriage and support it if he would be alive. Some people are still blind minded regardless of hundreds of sermons they listened. If something doesn't fit to their "religious box", it must be wrong according to them. I can only imagine how hard it was to my Prince to live with such a woman. I believe that his mother is one of the main reasons why he is strongly against any kind of oppression and forcing.

@Tirloque> He will recover. He always does. Ivy, me and our baby gives him strength to go on. After his father's death and before he met us, he was mostly on tranquilizers, depressed and withdrawn, although he was a good guy. I hope that his mother will change some day and that she will realize that her son is more important to her than some fanatical religious person like Kurt. I hope that her true motherhood will come to surface again and that she will accept all of us. Thank you for the word of encouragement.

@Resdayn> My Prince never let her molest us. When she did it in the past, he drove her out from our house after several warnings to stop. He will keep her away from us until she change. As for our child, I0m million times sure he will not let her even to try to force her religion on it. Thanks for the support and nice words.