Mod Lists suggestions?

[vonwraith]

Hello LL community!  I've tried installing many mods and continue to have issues with crashing, possible mod conflicts, etc.

 

I use NMM, FNIS, SkyUI, LOOT, Wyre, Tes5Edit, Bodyslide. I want to get as stable a game as possible.

 

I intend to reinstall and start from a completely *Clean* Skyrim Legendary! 

 

I will be following the http://www.loverslab.com/topic/43043-skyrim-modding-guide/ to install as cleanly as I can. 

 

** What I am looking for is a mod list Suggestion that is known to be pretty stable ** (obv. if installed correctly)

 

I'd like to have UUNP, SexLab, Devious Devices, an ENB would be nice, and something that uses DD. 

 

The following is my current mod list that I cannot for the life of me figure out WTF i'm doing wrong to stop it from crashing.

(not looking for help Troubleshooting, just posting for reference)

 

 

 

 

Some SOS is Sounds of Skyrim, not Shlongs.

 

GameMode=Skyrim

 

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1

hdtHighHeel.esm=1

RSkyrimChildren.esm=1

EFFCore.esm=1

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm=1

Campfire.esm=1

AOM.esm=1

SexLab.esm=1

ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1

SexLabAroused.esm=1

Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1

Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1

CompanionArissa.esm=1

OSA.esm=1

Devious Devices - Expansion.esm=1

HighResTexturePack01.esp=1

HighResTexturePack02.esp=1

HighResTexturePack03.esp=1

iHUD.esp=1

Vivid Landscapes.esp=1

immersive roads.esp=1

SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp=0

Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp=0

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1

Helgen Reborn.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1

Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp=0

SexLab_Solutions.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1

SoS - Civilization.esp=1

SoS - The Wilds.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp=1

SoS - The Dungeons.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1

Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp=1

Heavenly Weather Systems.esp=0

Heavenly Weather Systems AoS.esp=0

Dark Fantasy Weather Systems.esp=0

Dark Fantasy Weather Systems AoS.esp=0

RaceMenu.esp=1

TKAA.esp=1

RSChildren - Complete.esp=0

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

Babette.esp=0

KS Hairdos - HDT.esp=1

KS Hairdo's.esp=1

Brows.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp=1

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp=1

Immersive Weapons.esp=1

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1

SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=1

Bijin Wives.esp=1

The Ordinary Women.esp=1

Bijin NPCs.esp=1

Serana.esp=1

RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp=1

FNIS.esp=1

FNIS_PCEA2.esp=1

FNISSexyMove.esp=1

Heavenly Weather Systems SoS.esp=0

Dark Fantasy Weather Systems SoS.esp=0

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1

iLuvLoading.esp=1

RutahTattooPack.esp=1

Neithteam Warpaint.esp=1

BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp=1

UIExtensions.esp=1

JaxonzEnhGrab.esp=1

HelmetToggle2.02b.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1

Convenient Horses.esp=1

DeadlyDragons.esp=1

DeadlyMonsters.esp=1

Duel - Combat Realism.esp=1

InigoPerkPointGiver.esp=1

SimplyKnock.esp=1

AOM.esp=1

Cloaks.esp=1

SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1

Males of Skyrim.esp=1

EFFDialogue.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1

SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp=1

Deviously Cursed Loot.esp=1

Complete Pack.esp=1

Frostfall.esp=1

Recorder Follower Base.esp=1

SofiaFollower.esp=1

KNM_AcalyphaFollower.esp=1

EmbersHD.esp=1

Bijin Warmaidens.esp=1

SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp=1

SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeonLighting.esp=1

Davjes_UNPSorceressArmorHHS.esp=1

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1

Emfy Cleric Robes.esp=1

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1

Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp=1

Arcane Knicker.esp=1

AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp=1

Devious Deviants.esp=1

Black Viper's Will.esp=1

Black Jacket.esp=1

Cassandra Frost Witch.esp=1

Celes Nightingale Armor.esp=1

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1

Elewin Jewelry.esp=1

Leah Lilith Jewelry.esp=1

DenassaG_MageRobesBoots.esp=1

DenassaG_MageRobes.esp=1

Merta Assassin Armor.esp=1

Merta Assassin Tattoos.esp=1

Merta Black Rose Armor.esp=1

Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp=1

Tembtra Thief Armor.esp=1

GoddessDiana.esp=1

NewVampChainsGloves.esp=1

NewVampChainsCuirass.esp=1

NewVampChainsArmorReplacer.esp=1

VSCiriProjectTW3.esp=1

1nivWICCloaks.esp=1

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=0

Witch Of The Wild.esp=1

FS_UltimateAssortment.esp=1

Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_v2.1.esp=1

Ranger Outfit.esp=1

BloodthirstVampireFeeding.esp=1

SOSRaceMenu.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

DeviouslyHelpless.esp=1

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1

Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp=1

XPMSE.esp=1

Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1

 

 

 

 

The following are my CPU specs. 

 

 

 

Win 10 - 64bit

Intel i5-6400 2.7g (4cpu), ~2.7g

16g Ram

Geforce GTX 970 (12g total memory, 4g display memory)

 

 

 

Finally any suggestions are always welcome!

 

 

[Lodakai]

You should consider switching to MO if you plan to be able to make your mods as compatible as possible.

Opt for loose files wherever you can over BSA packages.

 

As a baseline, you should keep USLEEP in your list.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214/?

You will need XPMSE skeleton and bodyslide to go alongside your uunp.

Racemenu should be included in your baseline as well.

Crash fixes is a staple now for modding and I would highly recommend including it along with the SKSE preloader. Remember to enable osallocators in the config files.

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2551-crash-fixes/

 

 

Start off light

 

[Uncle64]

And make sure that you install your mods in correct order. You cant simply throw them in. It will not work.

[dankmemesxd]

Using M0 he can throw them as he wants to . Having PC like this,you should handle it. I always start with this guide 

(mods are listed in the description). Now your graphics are ready. (you can choose whatever ENB you want) I would recommend watching some videos about MO before starting. And then you stack your SL mods, you begin with SL ,then SLAL,SLAL packs and whatever you want to. It always works for me. Hope I helped a little.

[vonwraith]

I should definitely make the switch to MO?

 

I should NOT use BSA if possible? 

 

If I D/L using NMM can MO access those files?

 

I thought that I had seen someone mention that you should NOT have Steam / Skrim in /Programs Files(x86) directory. Is this true? If so how unstable does it make the mods or game?

 

 

[Lodakai]

I should definitely make the switch to MO?

 

I should NOT use BSA if possible? 

 

If I D/L using NMM can MO access those files?

 

I thought that I had seen someone mention that you should NOT have Steam / Skrim in /Programs Files(x86) directory. Is this true? If so how unstable does it make the mods or game?

 

I would strongly recommend making the switch.  MO has a bit of a learning curve, but it gives you a lot more control over what assets you want to use in your game.  This goes a long way to making mods compatible and troubleshooting problems.

 

If a mod offers loose files, it makes it easier to manipulate the assets to use only the ones you desire.. such as skeletons body types etc.  Since mod organizer keeps every mod in its own folder, you do not need to worry about stray assets.

 

If you use MO.. you should not use NMM to download mods.  You can set it up for the links on nexus to use MO instead of NMM, so there really is no need to use NMM if you decide to use MO.

 

Yes it is preferable to keep steam and skyrim in a directory outside of program files.  Program files overprotects file manipulation and can cause issues when trying to read/write/delete files in there using automated programs. This should not cause any instability to your game.

[Unmotivatedpride]

This is the mod I'm currently most thankful for. Continue Game No Crash.  If you get crashes on trying to load a save after launching skyrim, that mod changes that load to circumvent something by entering a normal load screen. Has been a saviour for me. Before I kept having to load old saves before loading the newest one. Previously I thought my saves were always getting messed up, but it seems it just couldn't handle trying to load all the things at the same time. 

 

Boring recommendation if you don't struggle with save loading ctd's though.

[Lodakai]

This is the mod I'm currently most thankful for. Continue Game No Crash.  If you get crashes on trying to load a save after launching skyrim, that mod changes that load to circumvent something by entering a normal load screen. Has been a saviour for me. Before I kept having to load old saves before loading the newest one. Previously I thought my saves were always getting messed up, but it seems it just couldn't handle trying to load all the things at the same time. 

 

Boring recommendation if you don't struggle with save loading ctd's though.

 

You only need this if you get the FootIK error.  Otherwise you do not need to go through the doubleload process this mod offers.

The footIK error usually occurs if you have a large number of animations. (if you install crash fixes, it will alert you when you run into this problem)

[Unmotivatedpride]

 

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You only need this if you get the FootIK error.  Otherwise you do not need to go through the doubleload process this mod offers.

The footIK error usually occurs if you have a large number of animations. (if you install crash fixes, it will alert you when you run into this problem)

 

 

Yee I'm sure there's some in-depth look I could've done to figure out wtf made it always crash. But as I never got errors and couldn't see anything in the papyrus logs it was like a miracle fix. Best ignore the mention if the problem isn't occurring anyway.

 

Other than that I have no recommendations though as mods are a bit personal taste related. Can agree on MO being great though!

Edit: Though some may find stuff ending up in the overwrite folder a bit confusing to begin with.

[Nazzzgul666]

Stable game vs recommendations: the point is, there are a lot of good mods, usually stable for themselves, many work very nice together, BUT:

you can't use all of them at once. in my experience it's less important which mods you use (there are exceptions, though), than how much. And the limit depends on some settings as well as on your hardware, other software like AV stuff running in the background,... and finally, even if you play without mods it's no guarantee it doesn't crash.

 

So, instead of a modlist, i will give you some more general recommendations:

1. Read the descriptions of mods carefully, especially the stuff about conflicts/known problems. Each, including the requirements you're installing for them. That takes some time, but in most cases if there is a conflict, it's mentioned (on LL, Nexus mods often aren't aware or don't care about LL mods, or they just say "conflict: all LL mods" which is just bullshit). There are too many mods to know all of them for a single person i think, nobody else will do that work for you.

Also look at the upload time, if it's too old it's possible that it doesn't work anymore, but not necessarily. 

 

2. Keep a save before installing mods you're not sure if you want to use them. If you don't like it, uninstall and load that save. Save game cleaners do a good job in.. 90%, i guess. Which means, after installing and uninstalling 10 mods it's quite likely that some scripts are still in your save, even after cleaning, and that they will cause problems. And it's totally possible that it happens for each of those 10 mods, just less likely.

Alternativly, start a new game. Questmods on Nexus often expect that you have a high level character and learned a lot of stuff, but LL mods often expect a low level character which hasn't done much vanilla quests yet. There are exceptions, but at least that's my general impression. If you want to play several questmods on LL, it's totally fine to chose some few, play them, then start a new game with some few others. It usually won't go wrong if you are lvl 321 and already learned all shouts, but sometimes you'll miss some content.

And imho it makes much more sense if my lvl2 toon is defeated and enslaved than for an overpowered dragonborn back from Sovngarde. That's more personal taste, but when you know you'll just play those few quests before you start a new game anyways, it's also a good way to test some other mods and it isn't too bad if it becomes a bit unstable during playing.

 

3. Watch for script heavy mods. Although i said earlier it depends on the number of mods, it is possible to get a quite unstable game with only 5-6 mods. It doesn't mean they are bad, often they are awesome and -each for itself- totally stable. But you can't run them all at once.

It actually depends on how many scripts you have running at once. I didn't do a scientific analysis which mod runs how many scripts how often. And partly it depends on your settings. It can make a big difference if for example Creature Framework runs a cloak spell every 3 seconds or none at all.

I'd suggest, install some mods you want, see if they have some settings how often/if they run scripts, see if you really need it (that often). Check your papyrus logs, if something throws a lot of errors that might be bad, but in my experience it's worse if a mod runs a lot of scripts or one very often although everything is fine. If you are sure you want that mod, keep in mind that this will reduce your options for other mods. Papyrus is no final thing, some mods don't log anything (by default), but run a lot of scripts anyways. But it gives you some clue about most. "Stack" is what you should look for (and some stuff before), because it means it couldn't execute that script in the given time and will try again. "Dumping stack" means, there are so many scripts running that some won't be executed at all, which can cause pretty much anything from "I don't see a difference" to "I don't see anything anymore and my keyboard doesn't work anymore, but according to the noises half skyrim is fucking and the other half fighting."

Those usually happen when several mods run some scripts quite often plus a certain event for another mod is triggered and runs a lot of scripts once. At this point you should definitly use less.

[KoolHndLuke]

This is my most stable game so far. After about 20hrs I only had one crash. Every time I try to add any random spawns to exterior worldspace- that is when I start having problems. Also I play offline as it seems to help. Also keep in mind the 65000 string limit that causes corrupt saves. For that I use crash fixes. Loot will only help with your load order and you will need to move some esps manually.

 

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm
7 7 Falskaar.esm
8 8 ApachiiHair.esm
9 9 ApachiiHairFemales.esm
10 a ApachiiHairMales.esm
11 b SexLab.esm
12 c Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
13 d SexLabAroused.esm
14 e Devious Devices - Assets.esm
15 f Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
16 10 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm
17 11 SMSkyrim.esp
18 12 WinterholdDestruction.esm
19 13 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
20 14 MiasLair.esp
21 15 Devious Devices - Integration.esm
22 16 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
23 17 TERAArmors.esm
24 18 Simplycirclets.esm
25 19 hdtHighHeel.esm
26 1a SGHairPackBase.esm
27 1b SGHairPackAIO.esp
28 1c FNIS.esp
29 1d RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
30 1e RaceMenu.esp
31 1f RaceMenuPlugin.esp
32 20 SkyUI.esp
33 21 ExMakeup_v4.1.esp
34 22 MoreEyes.esp
35 23 RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - UNP.esp
36 24 AK_RM_PubicStyles_All_In_One.esp
37 25 LindsHumanEyes.esp
38 26 KS Hairdo's.esp
39 27 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
40 28 Brows.esp
41 29 WyldMenuPlugFemale.esp
42 2a WyldMenuPlugMale.esp
43 2b TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
44 2c Elvenia.esp
45 2d Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
46 2e Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp
47 2f Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp
48 30 12FemaleBrows.esp
49 31 ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
50 32 FNIS_PCEA2.esp
51 33 SexLabDefeat.esp
52 34 DeviouslyHelpless.esp
53 35 Purity.esp
54 36 Ghosu - Project Flintlock.esp
55 37 Ghosu - Project Flintlock - Ammo Addon.esp
56 38 Unique Grasses.esp
57 39 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
58 3a Phenderix Magic World.esp
59 3b winterhold_improvements.esp
USKP_NPCoverhaul_Patch.esp
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61 3d skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
62 3e Captured Dreams.esp
63 3f 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowerRes_HighSpawn.esp
64 40 Skytest Creature Extension.esp
65 41 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
66 42 CD - Female Embassy Guards.esp
67 43 ColorfulLightsNoShadows.esp
68 44 SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp
69 45 SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp
70 46 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
71 47 BDYEB.esp
72 48 Redguard_Shields.esp
73 49 SexyKunoichi2ndByNausicaa.esp
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77 4d Witch Of The Wild.esp
78 4e Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp
79 4f Legionettes.esp
80 50 Convenient Horses.esp
81 51 Default Teammate Weapon Draw Distance.esp
82 52 Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp
83 53 Basnpc.esp
84 54 SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp
85 55 SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp
86 56 kuzak-bodyandstockings.esp
87 57 RM_Barbarian.esp
88 58 LadyHorus_TERA.esp
89 59 CharmingHighHeels.esp
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91 5b ScarletDawnArmor.esp
92 5c Immersive Weapons.esp
93 5d NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp
94 5e AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
95 5f Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
96 60 Shields of Jorrvaskr by Hothtrooper44.esp
97 61 TweakDamageOfLegendary.esp
98 62 FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
AOM.esp
99 63 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
100 64 JK's Falkreath.esp
101 65 ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp
102 66 SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
103 67 KS Jewelry.esp
104 68 Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp
105 69 Victoria Velina Revamped.esp
106 6a JKs Riften.esp
107 6b JK's Morthal.esp
108 6c Populated Forts Towers Places.esp
109 6d Immersive Wenches.esp
110 6e SimplyCircletsDistro.esp
111 6f JessJewelryArmor.esp
112 70 TacticalValtheim.esp
113 71 Immersive Patrols II.esp
114 72 Immersive Followers.esp
115 73 TrissArmorRetextured.esp
116 74 Devious Deviants.esp
117 75 dawnguardelitesprotectors.esp
118 76 SBF All In One + DLC.esp
119 77 SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp
120 78 Skysan_UltraSkimpy.esp
121 79 Carmella.esp
122 7a Immersive Wenches -SG&KS hairs- Patch.esp
123 7b TGCO_Sapphire.esp
124 7c TGCO_Karliah.esp
125 7d DeadlyDragons.esp
126 7e daedric remodeled.esp
127 7f Ursine Armor Pack.esp
128 80 SMSkyrim - General Compatibility Patch.esp
129 81 Beautiful Whiterun.esp
130 82 JKs Skaal Village.esp
131 83 SOS - Shop.esp
fishinginskyrim.esp
132 84 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
133 85 Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp
134 86 summersetisles.esp
135 87 Davjes_7BSorceressArmorHHS.esp
136 88 Wolfbikini.esp
137 89 BladesBikini.esp
138 8a LustmordVampireArmor.esp
139 8b RealisticWhiterun.esp
140 8c R18pn - lingerie Set.esp
141 8d amk Border Lace Lingerie.esp
142 8e FNISspells.esp
143 8f ThunderBirdArmor.esp
144 90 Warhammer Sorceress Robes.esp
145 91 HTBWigsApachiiSkyHair.esp
146 92 AsharaDimonizedDress.esp
147 93 newmillerChBikini.esp
148 94 Elewin Jewelry.esp
149 95 fox46 Armor.esp
150 96 XN_MicroBikini.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn.esp
151 97 GlassCrownCraftable.esp
152 98 ElvenCrownCraftable.esp
153 99 EbonyCrownCraftable.esp
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157 9d IronMaiden.esp
158 9e 1nivWICCloaks.esp
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160 a0 Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
161 a1 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
162 a2 Footprints.esp
163 a3 Footprints - Ash.esp
164 a4 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - 2x Brighter.esp
165 a5 WetandCold.esp
166 a6 WetandCold - Ashes.esp
167 a7 Orc Female Bandits.esp
168 a8 TESVMerged.esp
169 a9 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
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