ArieWasTaken Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 Recently, I began to notice that my saves took longer to save. In addition to that, when I'd use the showracemenu command, some options disappeared (as in, CBBE morphs, head, face, eyes, all of the options underneath those sections were just gone.). I checked PDTwrapper and my papyrus logs and found nothing conclusive other than the fact my latest save was 10mb in size, and it's only been 40 hours of gameplay. I don't crash (thank GOD.) but again, the time it takes to save, coupled with the size of my save files has me a little worried. Active Mod Files: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp [Version 3.0.8a] 06 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 07 EFFCore.esm 08 hdtHighHeel.esm 09 SGHairPackBase.esm 0A HighResTexturePack01.esp 0B HighResTexturePack02.esp 0C HighResTexturePack03.esp 0D Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.2.1] 0E SkyUI.esp 0F Dual Sheath Redux.esp 10 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp 11 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 12 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 13 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp 14 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp 15 Dead Body Collision.esp 16 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 17 SFO - Dragonborn.esp 18 EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp 19 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 1A TAVEWhiterunSN.esp 1B SMIM-Merged-All.esp 1C RealisticWaterTwo.esp 1D RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 1E RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp 1F RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp 20 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp 21 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp 22 Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp 23 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp 24 Vivid Landscapes.esp 25 Immersive Wenches.esp 26 Deadly Wenches.esp 27 BijinAIO-2016_3.1.1_SV.esp 28 Males of Skyrim.esp 29 YurianaWench.esp 2A LostGrimoire.esp 2B EFFDialogue.esp 2C Real Roads.esp 2D SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp 2E No_stretching.esp 2F FNIS.esp 30 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 31 RaceMenu.esp 32 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 33 Beards.esp 34 Brows.esp 35 12FemaleBrows.esp 36 Eyes of Aber.esp 37 KS Hairdo's.esp 38 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 39 Lieyes_v1.0.esp 3A TheEyesOfBeauty.esp [Version 9] 3B TrueEyes.esp 3C TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp 3D TheCoenaculiMALE.esp 3E SGHairPackAIO.esp 3F YMMP.esp 40 EmpyreanCS.esp 41 EmpyreanWarpaints.esp 42 FreckleMania.esp 43 ExtraPocket.esp 44 RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - CBBE.esp 45 SGEyebrows.esp 46 Neithteam Warpaint.esp 47 SOSRaceMenu.esp 48 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 49 CitrusHead - Standalone.esp 4A Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 4B SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 4C SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 4D SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 4E XPMSE.esp 4F UIExtensions.esp 50 AddItemMenu.esp 51 Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp 52 Notverigud Nordic Carved Bikini.esp 53 Wolfbikini.esp 54 SteelPlateBikini.esp 55 SteelBikini.esp 56 Dwarvenbikini.esp 57 DragonBoneBikini.esp 58 BladesBikini.esp 59 BandedIronBikini.esp 5A Anal Torch.esp 5B TsuntsunArmor7B.esp 5C Leolic.esp 5D Black Viper's Will.esp 5E AncientDraugr.esp 5F Differently Ebony.esp 60 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 61 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp 62 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 63 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp 64 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp 65 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 66 PrisonerRagsForFemales.esp 67 Sexy Robes and Hats.esp 68 Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp 69 Immersive Wenches -SG&KS hairs- Patch.esp 6A FollowerCompatibility.esp 6B Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 3.1.5a] 6C Bashed Patch, 0.esp 6D Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp I also have an SKSE.ini file with clearinvalidregistrations enabled. I've attached a zip file with the .ess and .skse within. I'm either blind or stupid, but I can't for the life of me figure out what's causing the bloating. EDIT: I forgot to mention, I also used the save cleaner tool by Hadoram. Also, if there's any clear set tutorial I might have missed, I'd appreciate my dumb self being pointed to it. I'd rather not waste anyone's time if the issue is right in my face and all I need to do is look (again.). BloatSave.zip
terrorofmorrowind Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 Do you have a good computer t run skyrim because from what i have seen you use a lot of retexture mods. Perhaps these are the cause of adding so much lag to your save. Tbh i have a ton of quite the script heavy mods running at the moment and even i barely have 10 mb size, even with these mods. Have you tried using LOOT perhaps? Does it show any dirty edits? Are you sure that most of these mods are up t date AND are compatible with one another? Are you sure that your load order is correct?
27X Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 DSR Immersive or any other Wenches mod HDTHH Beth Hi res packs Enhanced blood get rid of these. XPMSE is way in the wrong spot so is ui extensions
ArieWasTaken Posted April 12, 2017 Author Posted April 12, 2017 Where would be a good place for them? And I actually have to get rid of DSR and Enhanced blood? ._. I didn't think those of all things could cause save bloat... Also, I've used Loot, yes. But admittedly, I haven't used it in the past few mod installations... Maaaaybe I should try that as well. Thanks for the suggestions! I'll post results. EDIT: Oops, and about texture mods, I have a pretty good computer, and I already checked that out. Prior to posting this I tried dropping all my parallax textures and my complete skyrim HD 2k textures. Same thing still happened. :L
Allannaa Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 I'm having the same problem lately, and I don't have nearly as many mods. It takes several seconds to save a game, and several seconds for a "Wait" or "Sleep" timer to begin. Most of my saves are 10 to 12 mb in size, and that's more than double the size they used to be, even after a full playthrough from Helgen to Alduin. Here's my own load order. Skyrim, Update, HF, DG, DB HiRes 1, 2, 3 XPMSE RealisticRagdollForce USLEEP SoS Core, SOS, SOS VPRA, SOSRaceMenu SL and ZaZ DragonCombatOverhaul SkyTEST RA&P Dogs of Skyrim, Quieter Dogs Populated Cities Improved Helmets Legendary PuppetMaster SLA SLAC SLDangerouslyNude Amputator AutoUnequipAmmo CRF Paarthurnax Dilemma Destroy the Thieves Guild iNeed FNIS RaceMenu AllaSkyrimMyWay (just adds a Khajiit follower) SkyUI I highly doubt the HiRes texture packs are causing this, because they never did before, and as you can see, I don't have any mods that mess with textures or lighting or weather. So any ideas?
27X Posted April 13, 2017 Posted April 13, 2017 Xpmse and ui should be close to the bottom, and yes you should try a new game without any of those mentioned mods and see your save file accordingly. Textures won't cause save bloat, but improperly formatted textures cause the engine to do weird ass shit under load so I would axe the hi res pack not because it's hi res but because it's plain old borked, there are plenty of better sets on the nexus in the right format. other load order Skytest is ooooooooold and unstable, and I'm assuming your load order isn't reversed? usleep should be at the top next to Skyrim stuff and xpmse should be at the bottom, always at the bottom. Also, populated Skyrim is an absolute mess, if you want peeps about I would use 3dnpc and inconsequential npcs instead.
Allannaa Posted April 13, 2017 Posted April 13, 2017 I tried 3dnpc -- it added way way way too much. Too many NPCs, too many quests, etc. SkyTest I've used for years. That load order is also exactly what I used, both pre-hard-drive meltdown and currently. I had it written down and saved to a flash drive, along with my instructions about what extra lines to put into the ini files to allow multiple masters for CK and so on. The only thing I've got now that I haven't used for years is Amputator, and I don't think that's the culprit, because the huge saves only started recently, long after I'd installed Amputator. I think my best bet may be to un-check every mod, and add 'em all back one at a time, starting a new game with each add, to see what's making it happen. Wish me luck! EDIT -- Would a Papyrus log give any insight? I can attach one if needed.
ArieWasTaken Posted April 13, 2017 Author Posted April 13, 2017 Xpmse and ui should be close to the bottom, and yes you should try a new game without any of those mentioned mods and see your save file accordingly. Textures won't cause save bloat, but improperly formatted textures cause the engine to do weird ass shit under load so I would axe the hi res pack not because it's hi res but because it's plain old borked, there are plenty of better sets on the nexus in the right format. other load order Skytest is ooooooooold and unstable, and I'm assuming your load order isn't reversed? usleep should be at the top next to Skyrim stuff and xpmse should be at the bottom, always at the bottom. Also, populated Skyrim is an absolute mess, if you want peeps about I would use 3dnpc and inconsequential npcs instead. I did everything you said, but my save still went up from 4.8mb to 5mb in size in just one save under a minute of gameplay. I'm actually kinda spooked by that. The save time went down drastically though (being a new save this isn't surprising.). Unless a 2mb increase like that is normal for the first save within a minute? I'm honestly not sure. Also, Papyrus is still showing hdthigheel scripts, which is weird considering it was removed. I don't see any trace of it in my data folder, and I also removed any mods that would have it as a master. Very strange. EDIT: I mean PDTWrapper is still showing hdthighheel scripts, sorry.
27X Posted April 13, 2017 Posted April 13, 2017 You're gonna have to start an entirely new game to see what's bloating and what's not. There no such animal as "cleaned" or "restored" save. You can add stuff, you can never fully take stuff away.
Sladen2019 Posted April 13, 2017 Posted April 13, 2017 10 mb for a save isnt bad at all. Mine is 19.3 MB for my character that has all main/dlc misssions done. As you do more and more quests, your save will increase in size. Optimized Vanilla Textures from Nexus is an excellent alternative to the official hi res packs. Optimized looks better and uses less memory and doesnt need an unofficial patch. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/57353/? If you look at your papyrus and see alot of "dumping stack" lines in it, try to figure out what causes those stack dumps and ask yourself how much you really need that mod.
ArieWasTaken Posted April 13, 2017 Author Posted April 13, 2017 You're gonna have to start an entirely new game to see what's bloating and what's not. There no such animal as "cleaned" or "restored" save. You can add stuff, you can never fully take stuff away. Yeah, that's what I did. Started a completely new game.
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