Werewolf form became assymetrical/disproportionate after I used racemenu sliders from XP32 to alter my character

[zyter]

So I possibly made the mistake to install XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended mid game in order to use its additional sliders to reshape my orc the way I would have liked to but couldn't with the SAM Lite sliders. However, despite making sure XP32 lost all conflicts to other skeleton mods (such as TWO Werewolf Overhaul), the werewolf skeleton got altered and is now assymetrical in the sense that its right leg is enormous in comparison to its left leg, the posture of the werewolf also seems to not match its size anymore. Disabling XP32 and running FNIS again did not change anything, my character kept the visual appearance it gained from the XP32 sliders and so did the werewolf form. Other werewolves in the world seem to be fine and use the TWO Werewolf Overhaul settings perfectly. Creating a brand new character did show something odd, the transformation into a werewolf clearly showed the model that got built through BodySlider and TWO Werewolf Overhaul, but upon completion it got overwritten into a standard low weight form with different, multiple overlapping textures (or perhaps two bodies?). 

No measure of changing the order of mods, reinstalling mods or rebuilding the werewolf body in BodySlider seems to change the situation for the better, what else is odd is that the mod SexLabWerewolfReduxV's aggressive sex initiate button as a werewolf no longer works, there isn't even a message saying the target is invalid. Additionally, before the werewolf form broke upon installing XP32, the werewolf's genitals of my character often loaded quite late and got replaced or disappeared frequently, seemingly at random (alongside the sound of equipping or unequipping some gear). The newly created character's werewolf form (after things started to break) does correctly load the genitals immediately. Furthermore, LOOT no longer fully alters the priority order since I had to manually move some mods and plugins around.

Perhaps also interesting, ever since things started to break, the For Honor animations are often not detected in the game after having to use FNIS to load skeletons and animations. I have to use FNIS first and then Nemesis to fix those animations, this wasn't as big of an issue before. 

I'm quite new'ish at modding and it's likely I might have missed something obvious but it's clear that I am either oblivious at this moment or it's something else that I have done wrong, either way I am at a loss and would appreciate any guidance that could be offered to me.

My game version is 1.5.97 se, I use both FNIS and Nemesis Unloaded Behavior Machine and the installed mods' load order is as followed: 
Unmanaged: _ResourcePack
Unmanaged: ccBGSSSE001-Fish
Creation Club: ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode
Creation Club: ccBGSSSE037-Curios
Creation Club: ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS
DLC: HearthFires
DLC: Dragonborn
DLC: Dawnguard
SAM Light
SkyUI_5_2_SE
A Quality World Map - Classic with All Roads
AddItemMenuSE_114_SKSE2019
High Poly Head SE
SAM_Adult Accessoires
SAM Morphs for RaceMenu
SAM SE Vanilla Armour
SAM High Poly Conversion SE
Bodybuilder Naked Armor for SAM Lite SE v_
Paired Animation Improvements
Animation Queue Fix
Address Library (All in One)
Open Animation Replacer
Leviathan Animations II - Male Idle Walk And Run
Leviathan Animations II - Sprint
Animation Motion Revolution
Nemesis Creatures BEHAVIOUR compatibility
Moddern Stagger Lock Framework
Nemesis Unlimited Behavior Engine
dTry's Key Utils SE
Animation Motion Fix
Dynamic Block Hit
MaxsuBlockOverhaul
Spell Perk Item Distributor
powerofthree's Tweaks
Expressive Facial Animation - Male Edition
Expressive Facial Animation - Female Edition
Attack MCO-DXP
Payload Interpreter
One Click Power Attack NG (disabled but not uninstalled)
MCM Helper
Northern Farmhouses - Non Parallax Version
Static Mesh Improvement Mod
ENB Helper SE 1.5 for SSE 1.5.97
EVLaS
NAT.ENB - ESP WEATHER PLUGIN v3.1.1C - Fixed
Skoglendi - A Grass Mod
Ulvenwald
Skyland AIO
Fantasia Landscapes
Skyrim is Luminous
Water Mod
Cathedral - Water
BodySlide and Outfit Studio -
SexLabWerewolvesReduxV
Monster Lipsync SE - Vanilla
SexLabFrameworkSE_v
Immersive Armors SAM
nordic carved standalone
SAM Heavy Armour Skimpy
SAM Light Armour Skimpy
Immersive Armors Retexture and Mesh Fixes SE
True Spear Combat - SSE - Weapons and Animations - NMM Installer
RyanReos Spartan Hoplite Outfit for SAM light Enhanced Edition
Geralt Ursine Armor v3
Geralt Wolf Armor v1.3 (high poly SAM) (SE)
Immersive Armors 8.1 SSE Test
SexLabArousedSSELoose
UIExtensions
AW Bald and Shaven Hair
Beards for High Poly Head
Blackbeerd's Beards
Orc Strongholds - All In One
Skyrim Unbound Reborn
JContainers SE
BEES-1_2
Ordinator 9.35.0
Dragon Souls to Perk Points - 3.2
Immersive Patrols (Main)
Precision
SSE Display Tweaks
RaceMenu Special Edition
Troll Armor_Skyrim Mod
Enchant Passive Recharge
Summermyst 4.0.7
Smooth Moveset - OAR
For Honor in Skyrim
Payload Interpreter - Nemesis Less Patch
Behavior Data Injector
Behavior Data Injector Universal Support
Disable Turn Animation V2 SE I AE
Draw Fix - Move Equip Animation Fix 1.2
Dynamic Animation Casting NG Plus
Immersive Equipment Displays for 1.5.39 - 1.6.353
Simple Dual Sheath for 1.5.39 - 1.6.353
Open Animation Replacer - IED conditions
Weapon Styles - DrawSheathe Animations for IED
War Hammer and Battle Axe fix SSE Version-51615-1-1624642290
Keyword Compatibility Framework
dTry's Key Utils extend
For Honor Power Attack
Dynamic Sprint Stop
Dynamic Sprint
Dual Wield Parrying SKSE
All Standing Stones 1.1
Ars Metallica - Smithing Enhancement
Equipment Toggle
Growl 3.7.1
[SAM] Forsworn Loincloth Refit SE
Vigilant Refit Armors for SAM SE
SAM - KSO_Civil War Armor RCB Refit
Reading Is Good SE
Configurable Perks Per Level
Patched SE SL TOOLS Updated
CreatureSummoner_MNCSE
Papyrus Tweaks 4.1.1
SLAL_SE
SexLabMatchMaker
Experimental_SexLabCreaturesV
WerewolfProstitution_V (disabled but not uninstalled)
Wearable Lanterns 4.0.3 Release
SavrenX Schlong of SAM Light SE - Continuation (disabled but not uninstalled)
TRX Male - Schlongs of SAM Patch 1.1 (disabled but not uninstalled)
Jewelry Limiter - Another Multiple Rings and Amulets Mod
Odin - Skyrim Magic Overhaul
Odin - Ordinator Compatibility Patch
Bug Fixes Ordinator SSE (Special Edition)
Extended Encounters ESL
ARTFUL DODGER - Dynamic Pickpocket Cap
Weightless NG
Moonlight Tales Mini - Main 1.25
ConsoleUtilSSE NG
Faster HDT-SMP
Creature Behavior Generator
Moonlight Tales Well Animation Fix
Simple Werewolf Favourite Howls Menu
Sinding's Werewolf Voice Overhaul (SE-AE)
CustomSAMSliders (disabled but not uninstalled)
Family-man Sinding
Sinding's Werewolf Voice Overhaul patch FIXED
Authentic Sinding Follower (Official Update)
Wolf cuirass shows amulet
Werewolf Time Meter - Keep Armor v2.26 ESP
Dragon Among Beasts - Shouts in beast form
PapyrusUtil SE - Scripting Utility Functions
DynDOLOD Resources SE
Terrain Lod Redone
Indistinguishable VANILLA Medium
textures_output
DynDOLOD_Output
The Omnibus - 1k
Rape Till Dearh WIP
Were-Circle
Diverse Werewolves Collection
XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended
CreatureFrameworkV
HornyCreaturesofSkyrimSE
MoreNastyCrittersSE
Authentic Sinding Follower and Total Werewolf Overhaul compatibility patch
More Nasty Critters script tweak
Sexlab Werewolves script tweak
Longer Days
Werebears and Diverse Werewolves Patch installer
M2M_Animations_9.00_SE
Billyy's SLAL Animations 10.3
BestialityAnimationPack
Hug A Werewolf Today
TWO Schlongs of Skyrim
TWO - Total Werewolf Overhaul
TWO - Alternate Textures

The PlugIns are as followed:
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm (disabled but not uninstalled)
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
High Poly Head.esm
kcf.esm
HugAWerewolfToday.esl
Simply Smaller Trees.esm
_ResourcePack.esl (disabled but not uninstalled)
DynDOLOD.esm
SkyUI_SE.esp
TerrainLodRedone.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
water mod.esp
Ulvenwald.esp
Skyrim is Luminous.esp
Skyland Watercolor - Slow Green-Vanilla.esp
Cathedral - Water.esp
Orc Strongholds - All In One.esp
NAT-ENB.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Lit Road Signs.esp
Skoglendi - A Grass Mod.esp
Skoglendi - Brown Tundra Add-On.esp
Northern Farmhouses.esp
Attack_MCO.esp
DynamicBlockHit.esp
Keytrace.esp
SexLabWerewolves.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Odin - Skyrim Magic Overhaul.esp
Jewelry limiter.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
High Poly Head Vampire Fix.esp
Growl - Werebeasts of Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Unbound Addon - Orc Strongholds.esp
allStandingStones.esp
DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp
AuthenticSindingFollower.esp
MonsterLipSync1.esp
Spears.esp
TSC-Staves.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
ars metallica.esp
SpartanHoplite.esp
Nordic Revealing Standalone.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
KL-GeraltWolf.esp
KL-GeraltUrsine.esp
UIExtensions.esp
Blackbeerd's Beards.esp
Beards for High Poly Head.esp
AwBaldandShavedHair.esp
MBW Dragon Souls to Perk Points - v3-2.esp
Precision.esp
MCMHelper.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
AddItemMenuSE.esp
BodybuilderNakedArmor.esp
RaceMenuPluginSAM.esp
AdultAccessoriesForMen.esp
M2M_Animations_SE.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Troll Armor - Den987.esp
PassiveWeaponEnchantmentRecharging.esp
Smooth Moveset.esp
Disable Turn Animation.esp
Draw Fix - Move Equip Animation Fix.esp
Sprint Stop.esp
Dynamic Sprint.esp
[SAM] Forsworn Loincloth Refit.esp
ReadingIsGood.esp
configurable_perks_per_level.esp
SexLabTools.esp
CreatureSummoner.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
SexLabMatchMaker.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Extended Encounters.esp
Artful Dodger - Dynamic Pickpocket Cap.esp
FSMPM - The FSMP MCM.esp
Moonlight Tales Mini.esp
WerewolfQuickMenu.esp
HugAWerewolfToday_DWC_patch.esp
FamilyManSinding.esp
HugAWerewolfToday_SindingFollower_patch.esp
WereCircle.esp
HugAWerewolfToday_WereCircle_patch.esp
WolfCuirassShowAmulets.esp
DTWerewolfMeter.esp
BeastShouts.esp
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
RapeTillDeath.esp
XPMSE.esp
For Honor Power Attack.esp
For Honor in Skyrim.esp
HornyCreatures.esp
Werewolves.esp
WerewolvesHCOS.esp
WerewolvesExtras.esp
WerewolvesExtrasGrowl.esp
AuthenticSindingFollower_CF.esp
DWC_CF.esp
Werebears.esp
WerebearsCF.esp
WerebearsGrowl.esp
longerdays.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Odin - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Skyrim Unbound.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

 

 

[traison]

40 minutes ago, zyter said:

Disabling XP32 and running FNIS again did not change anything...

 

Not surprising considering XP32 most likely doesn't contain anything that actually does any node scaling. That work is almost certainly offloaded to NiOverride. FNIS doesn't have anything to do with node scales.

 

40 minutes ago, zyter said:

...I am at a loss and would appreciate any guidance that could be offered to me.

 

1. Revert back to normal form, and make a save if you don't already have one as a non-werewolf.
2. Open RaceMenu.
3. Save a preset of your character.
4. Open the resulting jslot file in Notepad.
5. Go through the transforms array and remove all entries that affect the problem areas. If in doubt, empty the entire array.
6. Start the game again and load your non-werewolf save.
7. Reapply your fixed jslot file to your character.
8. Test again.

Example of empty transforms array:

   "transforms" : [],

 

Edited June 10 by traison

[zyter]

By reverting back to normal form, do you mean being cured from being a werewolf altogether or simply reverting back to- in my case, an orc with the werewolf power?

I will take a look at the transform arrays but I am quite new at that as well, any additional tips on recognising transform array entries that affect problem areas? 

And thank you for your help so far, I appreciate it!

[traison]

9 minutes ago, zyter said:

By reverting back to normal form, do you mean...

 

Don't open RaceMenu when transformed into a werewolf.

 

11 minutes ago, zyter said:

...any additional tips on recognising transform array entries that affect problem areas?

 

Well, you're having leg problems, so assuming the leg nodes are named in a logical way you'd probably be looking for things like "leg", "thigh", "foot" and "calf"; "forehead" and "ballsack" probably do not apply. If the node names are not named like this then you'd have to open the werewolf mesh in NifSkope or Outfit Studio and see what they are.

[zyter]

Fully clearing the transforms array and applying the altered preset unto my character seems to have worked, the werewolf form is symmetrical again albeit perhaps a little bit less bulky overall. Thank you for helping me out on this problem!

If there is any further advice regarding the genitals being removed randomly and SexLabWerewolfReduxV's aggressive mate button not working then that would be lovely, however I understand it's not this topic's title so if there isn't then I'm already grateful for the main issue being resolved. 
 

[traison]

57 minutes ago, zyter said:

If there is any further advice regarding the genitals being removed randomly and SexLabWerewolfReduxV's aggressive mate button not working...

 

The dick disappearing is either an equipment or partition slot conflict, or there is some mod that actually removes it. When the dick is not visible:

1. Open the console.
2. prid 14 OR select the dickless werewolf.
3. inv
4. Check if the dick armor is in the inventory, and whether or not it is equipped.

If it's in the inventory and not equipped: Something unequipped it, or you have an equipment slot conflict.

If it's in the inventory and equipped: Partition slot conflict.

If it's not in the inventory: Something removed it.

 

As for the button not working, start from the Papyrus log.

Edited June 11 by traison

[zyter]

An update: the earlier approach of clearing the transform array did reset the werewolf model, but it also altered my orc character's appearance while not transformed. I suspect that some showracemenu sliders, more precisely the ones from from XP32, seem to affect the skeleton of both my "human" character and my werewolf form, while sliders from SAM Lite do not seem to. I tested this by making some differences to my orc and transforming into a werewolf afterwards, the changes I made to the chest and shoulders were also visible on my werewolf. Interestingly, the leg being disproportionate also came back (I used the lower body to upper body proportion slider).

Is there a way make sure that the changes made in racemenu are exclusively for my "normal" form and do not affect the werewolf form?

 

[traison]

My guess would be NiOverride applies node transforms based on their name. If you increase the scale of your feet nodes, then transform into a sheep that has a nose node named "NPC L Foot" then you'd probably get a large-nosed sheep. You can see this limitation in the API:

Function AddNodeTransformScale(ObjectReference akRef, bool firstPerson, bool isFemale, string nodeName, string key, float scale) native global

 

Key is a mod identifier. There is no mention of a skeleton nif path, or actor race filter.

 

Renaming mesh nodes is not practical.

 

Edit: Should again clarify that yes there's a way to make this per-race, but no NiOverride is not going to do it for you. Create a Papyrus script that removes node transforms when it detects a werewolf transformation, then restores them when appropriate. I do this with SexLab to remove NiOverride transforms.

 

Edit again: I'm fairly certain there's even an event sent out when transforming, so that bit should be simple.

Edited June 11 by traison

[zyter]

I see, I am quite unexperienced when it comes to scripting or coding, do you know of a tutorial which is closest to what I want to achieve and how to implement it?

[traison]

16 minutes ago, zyter said:

I see, I am quite unexperienced when it comes to scripting or coding, do you know of a tutorial which is closest to what I want to achieve and how to implement it?

 

My personal approach to this is to find a mod that does something similar on the Nexus, download it and pick out the bits I need. Many of the changes I have in my "merged patch" mod is from various single-edit esp mods. Rather than finding which game setting or object it is I want to fix or change, it's much faster to download that 1kb esp and merge it.

 

Your biggest challenge is going to be to get Papyrus compiling. You'll most likely need to do the following:

• Download the Creation Kit.
• Find the script sources for all relevant mods. With a project like this you'd most likely only need the sources from RaceMenu and SKSE.
• Normalize existing mods to use the same script source folder, then configure the CK to also use this if needed.

If you can get through that, you'll have a powerful new toy to play with in Skyrim. Sky is the limit.

 

Edit: The same in English: Find a mod that that claims to do something when transforming into or out of werewolf form. Make sure it's scripted in Papyrus, and not a dll. You're most likely looking for something based on this.

 

Edit again: OnLycanthropyStateChanged seems to deal with curing lycanthropy, so maybe that's not it.

Edited June 11 by traison