astor Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 I've just about got my issues resolved. Been smooth playing for a few hours. Then I started to notice lag when trying to loot. When I die, I can take 10+ minutes to load the save. Hitting [Esc] takes a long while to respond as well. When I disable all Sexout mods and plugins, the issue is gone. I've disabled all the *.esp but left the *.esm files active and the issue persists, albeit slightly lessened. I cannot think of how to test further beyond this, as Sexout.esm and SexoutCommonResources.esm are required for the other to run. Any advice on how to proceed would be welcome. Active Mod Files: 00 falloutnv.esm 01 DeadMoney.esm 02 HonestHearts.esm 03 OldWorldBlues.esm 04 LonesomeRoad.esm 05 GunRunnersArsenal.esm 06 ClassicPack.esm 07 MercenaryPack.esm 08 TribalPack.esm 09 CaravanPack.esm 0A Sexout.esm 0B SexoutCommonResources.esm 0C SexoutSlavery.esm 0D SexoutLegion.esm 0E SexoutStore.esm 0F msexBase.esm 10 FreesideOpen.esm 11 FOOK - New Vegas.esm 12 FOOK - New Vegas DLCs.esm 13 MoMod.esm 14 NVEC Complete + NVCE.esm 15 NVEC BugFixes + NVCE.esm 16 AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm 17 NSkies URWLified.esm 18 NVInteriors_Core.esm 19 NVInteriors_ComboEdition_AWOP.esm 1A NVInteriors_Urban_Edition_AWOP.esm 1B Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm [Version 6.5] 1C Primary Needs HUD.esm 1D Project Nevada - Core.esm 1E rePopulated Wasteland.esm 1F WARZONES - Misanthropy Pure.esm 20 Weapon Mod Expansion.esm 21 WME - GRA.esm 22 WME - DLCs.esm 23 ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm 24 ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm 25 aHUD.esm 26 iHUD.esm 27 RHKGilbertCompanion.esm 28 MikotoBeauty.esm 29 UWHNV-Core.esm 2A DWCNV.esm 2B jokristinascloset.esm 2C SpeedE Wheels Travel Systems.esm 2D CASM.esp 2E Further3rdPersonCamera.esp 2F FreesideOpenPatch.esp 30 Readius_NV.esp 31 The Mod Configuration Menu.esp [Version 1.5] 32 The Weapon Mod Menu.esp [Version 1.2] 33 MikotoBPWastersOverhaul.esp 34 NV Interiors - El Ray Motel.esp 35 NV Interiors - West Vegas Fringe.esp 36 NV Interiors - Cottonwood Cove.esp 37 UWHNV-Addon-DLC.esp 38 UWHNV-Addon-GRA.esp 39 UWHNV-Addon-FollowerHome.esp 3A FOOK - New Vegas.esp 3B FOOK - New Vegas DLCs.esp 3C GRA - The Right to Bear Arms.esp 3D NoFastTravel_NV.esp 3E Glow Sticks.esp 3F epock.esp 40 Free Tribal Outfits.esp 41 merccustom.esp 42 Sack of Holding-NV.esp [Version 1.0.0] 43 sexysleepwearnr.esp 44 WastelandCourier.esp ++ sexysleepwearreplacera.esp ++ Mens Magazines Replacer.esp 45 1nivVSLArmors.esp [Version 1.2] ++ 1nivDWSLPatch.esp [Version 1.2] 46 Type3MClothing.esp 47 Type3MClothing_HH.esp 48 Type3MClothing_OWB.esp 49 NCRCF Reinforcements.esp ++ RSCR-Enhanced.esp 4A RSCR-Expansion_Decks.esp 4B AllCompanionsEssential 2.0b.esp 4C Companions teleporter.esp 4D Companion Sandbox Mode.esp [Version 2] 4E SunnyCompanion.esp 4F noautoaim.esp ++ realistic headshots HC VATS.esp 50 UsableCigarettes neunen Ver for New Vegas.esp ++ Weapon Mod Expansion.esp ++ WME - AWOP.esp ++ WME - GRA - Weapon Integration.esp ++ WME - GRA - Vendor Reform.esp 51 WME - GRA - Unique Integration.esp ++ WME - GRA - Just Guns.esp 52 WME - GRA - Complete.esp ++ WME - GRA - Arenovalis.esp ++ WME - GRA - All Weapons.esp ++ WME - DLCs.esp ++ WME - DLCs Arenovalis.esp 53 AWOP FOOK Weapon Patch.esp 54 Alternative Start.esp 55 AWOPFSOPatch.esp 56 AWOPDeadMoney.esp 57 NVEC Complete NVCE FOOK Patch.esp 58 NVEC Complete NVCE AWOP Patch.esp 59 NSkies URWLifiedOWB.esp 5A NSkies URWLifiedHH.esp ++ NSkies URWLifiedDM.esp 5B Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp [Version 6.5] 5C ILO - GS Shack.esp [Version 1.2] ++ ILO - PipBoy Light.esp [Version 1.0] 5D ILO - NVInteriors Project - AWOP.esp [Version 1.5] 5E ILO - NSkies URWLified Patch.esp [Version 1.1] 5F ILO - A World of Pain.esp [Version 1.1] 60 FNNsysNV.esp ++ UWHNV-Addon-Time for Bed NV.esp 61 UseableToilets.esp 62 sleep_on_back_sexy.esp 63 UWHNV-Useable_Toilet_Bath_Shower.esp 64 RHKGilbertCompanion-Mikoto.esp ++ Roberts_NewVegas.esp 65 MikotoBeauty.esp 66 MiscItemIconsNV.esp 67 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 68 SmallerTalk.esp 69 SexoutZAZ.esp 6A SexoutResolutions.esp 6B SexoutDiscounts.esp 6C SexoutConsequences.esp 6D SexoutCompanions.esp 6E SexoutSS_C.esp 6F msexCourtesan.esp 70 msexFort.esp 71 msexVeronica.esp 72 SexoutBrutalRapers.esp 73 SexoutRapist.esp 74 SexoutStraponSex.esp 75 SexoutFiends.esp 76 SexoutKhans.esp 77 SexoutKings.esp 78 SexoutNCR.esp 79 SexoutPowderGangers.esp 7A SexoutWorkingGirl.esp 7B SexoutHookupsAlt.esp 7C SexoutFadeToBlack.esp 7D SexoutRocket.esp 7E SexoutASB.esp
BruceWayne Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 You can get rid of the menu lag by going to the console and typing in "pcb" without the quotes. It means purge cell buffer. This is an old bug with the Gamebryo engine and was existant with FO3 and Oblivion too. The more mods you have, the faster it happens.
astor Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 i just tried that. The console didn't reject it, but it didn't say anything after that either; nor did it make hitting [Esc] work any faster.
BruceWayne Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Since you restarted your game after disabling those mods your buffer was cleared again, so you've noticed no lag. Try restarting the game, if pcb doesn't have any effect. Memory clutters up after extended playtimes. Maybe try a system reset even. This is a known problem with the game and has nothing to do with sexout in particular, but with the amount of mods as a whole.
astor Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 I know that with all my mods enabled except sexout, the issue vanishes. Even before a clean save. When I enable the sexout mods the issue returns. On new games, it's not apparent, the game that i've got about 5 hours playtime on is heavily bogged down with interface lag with sexout enabled, but runs fine with out them.
BruceWayne Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Did you just disable or did you completely remove the sexout mods from the data folder? If you just disabled them, without removing them and you have created a savegame while they were active, they are still loaded with your save. I'm not denying that they might be one of the causes for menu lag over time, but this kind of lag happens with and without it. Just remove them completely, play for a couple of hours straight and you're going to see it again soon with that kind of load order. Just try "pcb" as soon as you notice it. If it still doesn't go away, restart your game.
astor Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 Will try that. Thanks for the advice. I do need to reduce my load order, just not sure where to start. Dropping Sexout isn't really an option, I like the visceral "reality" that it tries to bring to the game.
BruceWayne Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Will try that. Thanks for the advice. I do need to reduce my load order, just not sure where to start. Dropping Sexout isn't really an option, I like the visceral "reality" that it tries to bring to the game. We all are.
prideslayer Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Just to be clear when you say with/without sexout, do you mean strictly sexout.esm, or do you mean that + all the other sexout things you're using? If the latter, try them one by one. Sexout.esm itself shouldn't cause any lag -- it doesn't do anything beyond init and the scanner, and the scanner runs really fast. Once upon a time, every sexout mod had it's own scanner, and they didn't cause any delays -- just each had their own bugs, and would have caused delays eventually if more people kept making them, so I added one to sexout that can report what it finds to any interested mods.
astor Posted May 27, 2013 Author Posted May 27, 2013 I mean without the plugins *.esp files. I've not been able to determine which *.esm file could be causing it but it does happen even when running only the various sexout *.esm files.
prideslayer Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 It's possible, though unlikely, that a formlist or the NX savefile associated with your save, has become extremely bloated. Disable all the sexout mods, load your game, save it to a new slot, quit, enable the sexout mods, and load the new save you made. If it loads fast, it's probably a formlist bloat problem from some mod or another. If not, it's probably a munged up NX save. Open your falloutNV directory and look in data/nvse/plugins/Extender/Saves Look for any files there that are huge. These grow over time as your game progresses but should not be reaching into multiple-megabyte territory or beyond under normal play -- I don't think anyway.
astor Posted May 28, 2013 Author Posted May 28, 2013 Upon initial start the game loads rather quickly for the number of mods I'm using. It's after I die and the game reloads the save that it can take a very very long time. The little roulette wheel starts, stops and stutters for a long while. I'm only a few hours into a new game. The saves in that folder are all 10kb or less. The saves in Documents\My Games\Fallout NV\Saves are 6mb+. i do not know how big those saves can get before being considered bloated. Trying your advice now.
prideslayer Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Try the first thing I mentioned -- a save and load to clean out the sexout formlists. This will also clean out lingering spells on the player and NPCs, scripted items, and so on. Your savegame file size and NX file size are all quite normal and so aren't the source of your problem.
astor Posted May 28, 2013 Author Posted May 28, 2013 I've tried the first thing you mentioned several times over a few days before posting here for help and since. I've also done it a couple of times since you recommended it. My results have either been the problem starts immediately or within a few minutes. I know part of the problem was the Willow mod. For some reason i've always had issues with Willow and Sexout even without the sexout plugins made for Willow. I'm betting another mod is exacerbating the issue, but i daresay i don't know which one and i've been disabling/reordering/removing them completely for a couple of days now. Game works fine until I load the Sexout *.esm's. EDIT: Edited o.p. to reflect current load order.
prideslayer Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I'm trying to be.. systematic. I'd like to know at what point in the following the error occurs. Prep work Disable everything except FalloutNV.esm. Load your game and then save it in a new slot. Now, test loading that game with the following load orders: Test 1 FalloutNV.esm Sexout.esm Test 2 FalloutNV.esm Sexout.esm SexoutCommonResources.esm Test 3 FalloutNV.esm Sexout.esm SexoutCommonResources.esm SexoutSlavery.esm Test 4 FalloutNV.esm Sexout.esm SexoutCommonResources.esm SexoutSlavery.esm SexoutLegion.esm SexoutStore.esm .... you get the idea? I am trying to determine exactly *which* sexout ESM or ESP is causing your problems and I can only do that if you repeatedly test loading the game with only *one* new ESM/ESP added. Since you said it was happening with just ESMs, those are the only ones you have to test. I don't know every sexout mod and which ones are ESMs vs which aren't, so I can't give an exhaustive 'search pattern'. You should also be disabling the mods in FOMM's package manager. I don't know if you're aware, but if you uncheck a bunch of ESMs but accidentally leave an ESP checked off that uses one of them as a master, that master (and all the masters it needs) will be silently loaded in the background. E.g. if you disable every sexout related ESM but leave something like SexoutNCR.esp checked, then Legion, slavery, scr, and sexout are all going to get loaded anyway. The only way to ensure this doesn't happen is to remove the ESMs from your data directory entirely -- and the easiest way to do that is through the FOMM package manager.
astor Posted May 28, 2013 Author Posted May 28, 2013 In Wrye, just unchecking Sexout.esm disables all the sexout mods that depend on it. No inadvertently leaving an *.esp checked. I've followed your test pattern with the sexout mods and the results were as i've stated above. Doing that with ALL of the mods i have installed will take a great deal of time which i will spend if necessary to resolve this. Hoping for some precedent for this to give me some insight on which mod/s are the likely culprit.
prideslayer Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I might have missed it, but I don't see the specific esm mentioned. You said Game works fine until I load the Sexout *.esm's.The question is, which one? Just sexout.esm by itself causes the problem?
astor Posted May 28, 2013 Author Posted May 28, 2013 That's just it. Some of the *.esms rely on others to work, so while having Sexout.esm and SexoutCommonResources.esm loaded might not cause a problem (after 20+/- of playtime they didn't seem to), the other *.esm files require those two to work, so at best i'm testing 3 at a time and the issue can take some time to show up. I can start a new save and play for a couple of hours with no issue with all of the sexout mods loaded, but after that the cookie starts to crumble. I really do appreciate your efforts to help and i'm sorry if i'm not giving you the information you need to better understand what i'm doing on my end to rectify this.
t3589 Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 This just started happening to me as well. Never happened before. Takes a fair while though, so I've been dealing with it by restarting the game. I have no more mods than I had before (less than 100). The problem is, when I update I don't always play. So this began sometime between updating the following mods. Current Stable Preg Current Stable SCR Current SOSReplacer Possibly Hookups? And possibly any sexout mod update after 5/18. I'm going by memory so take this with a grain of salt. I do know for certain I have not updated any mods except Sexout mods, and this hasn't ever happened to me until at the earliest 5/23 - 5/25 (first time back to playing after updating). Granted my game has always gotten bogged down after hours of play, but I have never had the loot lag problem or the space loading problem until as I describe above. I see this as a minor issue because I have always had to restart my game after several hours of play. EDIT: OK I don't think it's SOFO or Tryouts. Eliminating those.
prideslayer Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 If anyone with the issue can manage a 'sexout lite' experience for a while to test, you can grab the SSR download from the SexoutNG Beta release thread, which includes updated tryouts, workinggirl, and sewerslave -- and does not need SCR. If it's SCR or an SCR dependant mod causing the issue or not, using that group of plugins (and unfortunately, only that group) will tell us.
astor Posted May 28, 2013 Author Posted May 28, 2013 Will go grab that. Thank you kindly. I started it up and it popped a warning about needing to install ZaZ. Should i just ignore that? EDIT: I've been running that Beta stuff for a few hours and I've not yet experienced any loot/interface or load lag.
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