PhilMc2 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Hi, I have a little request...I´m still trying to make SexoutSlavery and SexoutLegion playable... The problem With SexoutLegion.esm and SexoutSlavery.esm enabled the game begins to stutter after a period of around 5 to 30 minutes...this stuttering gets stronger the longer I play. The stuttering is already starting when the basic fps is still over 40...but as time passes the fps will be killed down to 3-4. I tested everything I can think of including different graphic settings, performance optimization, resolving mod conflicts, lowering folder size, NVSR - stutter remover, enb mods, VSync, Multithreading, Preload limits, various ini tweaks...and a lot more...without effect There are a few more people having this problem. Though my rig can handle a modded Skyrim with ultra settings easily my system specs should not be the reason. Please can anyone who: - has the mentioned plugins enabled and who can play the game over an hour without stuttering (exteriors + interiors) - has a 64bit windows operating system (important) ...please send me some of his specs? I would like to copy the inis and the settings to see if that makes things better plus I would like to narrow the cause of the issue down. Info I would appreciate: - all 3 ini files (as attachment maybe?) - have performance optimizing stuff installed? (NVSR, 4gb enabler...) - average fps - Load order (only optional) For people having the same issue and who are thinking about upgrading their systems just to resolve this special issue...you still might have this issue when you have the following specs and mods -> My system: AMD Athlon II X4 640 Processor 8,0 GB RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (1GB VRAM) MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 My load order: [X] FalloutNV.esm [X] HonestHearts.esm [X] GunRunnersArsenal.esm [X] NSkies - Vanilla Edition.esm [X] Lings.esm [X] Sexout.esm [X] SexoutCommonResources.esm [X] SexoutPregnancyV3.esm [X] SexoutSlavery.esm [X] SexoutLegion.esm [X] SexoutStore.esm [X] Readius_NV.esp [X] The Mod Configuration Menu.esp [X] populatedcasino-medium.esp [X] PerkEveryLevel.esp [X] m110.esp [X] silenced 9mmpistol.esp [X] NV_AsharasFormalClothing.esp [X] NVRefugee Outfits.esp [X] Roberts_NewVegas.esp [X] Companions Commander.esp [X] 101Billboards.esp [X] 101Posters.esp [X] noautoaim.esp [X] dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp [X] dD-Smaller Wounds.esp [X] dD-More Gore.esp [X] dD-Reduced Ragdoll Force.esp [X] RWD-NV v1.4 [standard Version].esp [X] UsableCigarettes neunen Ver for New Vegas.esp [X] FNNsysNV.esp [X] MoonShadowRace.esp [X] Jewelry.esp [X] Type3MClothing.esp [X] AnimatedDrinks_1_0.esp [X] no karma loss for stealing.esp [X] SuperJump_Land_3x.esp [X] Project Hat+Hair.esp [X] SmallerTalk.esp [X] st.esp [X] SexoutNotify.esp [X] Sexout LevelUp.esp [X] SexoutSex.esp [X] SexoutHookupsAlt.esp [X] SexoutResolutions.esp [X] SexoutDocMitchell.esp [X] SexoutZAZ.esp [X] SexoutCompanions.esp [X] SexoutConsequences.esp [X] SexoutFadeToBlack.esp [X] SexoutConsequences EX.esp [X] SexoutRocket.esp [X] SexoutPowderGangers.esp [X] SexoutNCR.esp [X] SexoutFiends.esp [X] SexoutKhans.esp [X] SexoutKings.esp [X] SexoutWorkingGirl.esp Yes, I have removed various DLC plugins due to testing if size matters ^^ ...and no smaller is really not better even with the right techniques I would be really glad to get some info for comparison. Big Thanx for your help PS: Please no basic tipps for performance optimization ^^ ...I tested all of them ;D ...only if you have some REALLY rare tweaking tipps ^^
zippy57 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I've never had a problem with stutter. Intel Core2 Duo Processor 2.53GHz 6GB RAM NVidia GeForce GTX 260M 1GB Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 Using the 4GB Loader [spoiler=Load Order] FalloutNV.esm DeadMoney.esm ACES - Casino Data Extension.esm HonestHearts.esm OldWorldBlues.esm LonesomeRoad.esm GunRunnersArsenal.esm ClassicPack.esm MercenaryPack.esm TribalPack.esm CaravanPack.esm Ambient Temperature.esm IWS-Core.esm NosCo Companion System.esm Advanced Recon Tech.esm Caliber.esm CaliberXhonesthearts.esm CaliberXgunrunners.esm CHEMS.esm dangame.esm decwithreg.esm Inventory Access.esm AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm MoMod.esm More Perks.esm More Perks for Companions.esm More Perks for Dead Money.esm More Perks for Honest Hearts.esm More Perks for Old World Blues.esm More Traits.esm More Challenges.esm NVEC BugFixes + NVCE.esm NSkies URWLified.esm NVInteriors_Core.esm NVInteriors_WastelandEditonAWOP.esm Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm NVR-Strip.esm Primary Needs HUD.esm Project Nevada - Core.esm Project Nevada - Equipment.esm RH_IRONSIGHTS_NV.esm Run the Lucky 38.esm Lucky38Suite_Reloaded.esm Selective Fire.esm LREP Core.esm Sexout.esm SexoutCommonResources.esm SexoutSlavery.esm SexoutLegion.esm SpeedyResources.esm Tales from the Burning Sands.esm War Never Changes.esm Weapon Mod Expansion.esm WME - GRA.esm WME - DLCs.esm wsex.esm ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm Lings.esm Foxy Fiends.esm MAC.esm D.E.I.M.O.S..esm wsexInnuendoNPCs.esp RHKGilbertCompanion.esm SunnyCompanion.esp SexoutLust.esp SexoutAffairs.esp z57 - Outfits.esp Arwen_NV_Core.esm HDTshop.esm NVInteriors_Urban_Edition_AWOP.esm NVEC Reduce CTD.esp DarNifiedUINV.esp Bobblehunt.esp HUD Extended.esp HUD Extended - Ambient Temperature.esp Readius_NV.esp The Mod Configuration Menu.esp The Weapon Mod Menu.esp AWOPMonsterPatch.esp Monster Mod Wasteland Edition.esp Area 51 - Project Roswell.esp New Vegas Trade Center.esp SDs Lucky 38 Suite Trophies.esp z57 - Trophies.esp The New Bison Steve Hotel.esp NVR-NPCs.esp NVR-ELECTRO-CTIY_Patch.esp NVR-Version_10.esp NVFR-NVR-NVTC-Version_2.esp Arwen_NV_Realism_Core.esp Arwen_NV_Hard-Core.esp ATP - Hardcore - PN.esp Arwen_NV_Old_World_Blues.esp Arwen_NV_Encumbrance.esp Arwen_NV_Med-Tec.esp Arwen_NV_Dead_Money.esp ATP-CP-PNEquipment.esp Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp Project Nevada - Old World Blues.esp ATP-CP-OldWorldBluesPN.esp Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp ATP-CP-LonesomeRoadPN.esp Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp Project Nevada - Extra Options.esp Selective Fire - Project Nevada.esp avangraffscorned.esp awilderwasteland.esp betsybrahmin.esp Machienzo-Behold The Riches.esp NewVegasBounties.esp NewVegasBountiesII.esp NewVegasBountiesII Fixes - DLCs.esp outsidebets.esp Pacersgambit.esp QRhymeRenegade.esp rotfacetoriches.esp TheCollector.esp War Never Changes.esp wsexInnuendoAnims.esp wsex.esp More Perks Update.esp More Perks for Companions Update.esp More Perks for Dead Money Update.esp More Perks for Honest Hearts Update.esp More Perks for Old World Blues Update.esp More Traits Update.esp SnowGlobePerks.esp DrugsAreBadMKay.esp FeelingIrradiated.esp IWS-Core-Patrols.esp IWS-Core-Guards.esp IWS-Core-Civilians.esp IWS-DM.esp IWS-HH.esp IWS-OWB.esp IWS-LR.esp SexoutFiends.esp SignatureWeapons.esp AmmoCraftingSchematics.esp ACS-CaliberX.esp ACS-DeadMoney.esp ACS-HonestHearts.esp ACS-LonesomeRoad.esp ACS-GunRunnersArsenal.esp Advanced Recon Gear.esp Advanced Recon Tech.esp Advanced Recon Armor.esp Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp HDTshop.esp Powered Power Armor.esp Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp LingsPrettyThings.esp AWOPDeadMoney.esp AWOP DLC + GRA Conflict Error Fixes.esp AWOPCaliberXAmmoPatch.esp NVWillow.esp SexoutWillow.esp UnlimitedCompanions.esp MiscItemIconsNV.esp ShilohDS-Color Maps and Icons.esp Imp's More Complex Needs.esp Ambient Temperature - IMCNNV.esp IMCNNV - HUD and Hotkeys.esp More Realistic Aiming.esp Quick Trade.esp WeaponJamming.esp RH_IronSights_NV_Vanilla.esp RH_IronSights_NV_NewWeapons.esp Weapon Mod Expansion.esp WME - Arwen Core.esp Project Nevada - WME.esp WME - GRA - Weapon Integration.esp WME - GRA - Vendor Reform.esp WME - GRA - Unique Integration.esp WME - GRA - Just Guns.esp WME - GRA - All Weapons.esp WME - DLCs.esp EVE FNV.esp EVE FNV-[GRA Patch for EVE 1.3].esp Project Nevada - EVE.esp WMEVE.esp Ambient Temperature - URWLified Nevada Skies.esp NSkies URWLifiedOWB.esp NSkies URWLifiedHH.esp NSkies URWLifiedDM.esp Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition - No Lucky38.esp ILO - NSkies URWLified Patch.esp ILO - A World of Pain.esp Jet Classic.esp SexoutBrutalRapers.esp SexoutConsequences.esp SexoutConsequences EX.esp SexoutZAZ.esp SexoutLust - pHUD.esp SmallerTalk.esp SexoutAffairsLings.esp z57 - Perks.esp Machienzo - Regional Slots.esp The Chase.esp Gnome_Wrangler.esp LREP - XPac.esp The Door.esp MAC - NOSCO PATCH.esp Foxy Fiends NPC ONLY.esp ACES - Casino Overhaul.esp NCCS Silent Companions.esp SecuritronsRetextured.esp NVInteriors_AWOP_Tweaks_DLC.esp Advanced Recon Riot Gear Helmet.esp Backpack.esp Dynamic and Rebalanced Karma v1.0.esp LadderRestorationProject.esp LRPWatertowers.esp RHKGilbertCompanion-Lings.esp SexoutIMCNNV.esp Caravaner.esp The Preservation Act - Ammo.esp The Preservation Act - Armor.esp The Preservation Act - BodyPartData.esp The Preservation Act - Ingestible.esp The Preservation Act - Container.esp The Preservation Act - Typos.esp The Preservation Act - Object Effect.esp The Preservation Act - Leveled Item.esp The Preservation Act - Explosion.esp The Preservation Act - NPC.esp The Preservation Act - Projectile.esp The Preservation Act - Perk.esp The Preservation Act - Quest.esp The Preservation Act - Script.esp The Preservation Act - Recipe.esp The Preservation Act - Actor Effect.esp The Preservation Act - Misc Item.esp The Preservation Act - Class.esp The Preservation Act - Faction.esp The Preservation Act - Race.esp The Preservation Act - Light.esp The Preservation Act - Moveable Static.esp The Preservation Act - Package.esp The Preservation Act - Creature.esp The Preservation Act - Door.esp The Preservation Act - Eyes.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp The Preservation Act - Weapon.esp z57 - New Content.esp The Preservation Act - MAC.esp The Preservation Act - Worldspace.esp The Preservation Act - Cells.esp The Preservation Act - Dialogue.esp The Preservation Act - wSex.esp z57 - Becky Tweaks.esp Total active plugins: 195 Total plugins: 330 Plugins in green are merged into the Bashed Patch. Plugins in blue are false-flagged so I can reference them in the GECK. "The Preservation Act" plugins are manual merging of mods I have to do because the Bashed Patch either doesn't do it at all or screws it up.
zippy57 Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 This issue is not caused by SexoutSlavery and/or SexoutLegion. If it was, I would be having the issue. I am not, therefore the cause must be something else. Have you tried deactivating Pregnancy? Pregnancy is a much higher impact mod when compared to Legion and Slavery and when set up to do so adds and runs scripts on every NPC in the area.
PhilMc2 Posted January 8, 2013 Author Posted January 8, 2013 Whut? O.O I have never seen so many mods before and you can play that properly? Awesome!! Please pretty please can you copy or attach your ini files, please? But you do not have all the Tryout plugins installed (except SexoutFiends), do you? Have you tested those together with all your current mods? Especially workinggirl and SexoutPowderGangers seem to be quite intense from point of performance for me o.0
PhilMc2 Posted January 8, 2013 Author Posted January 8, 2013 This issue is not caused by SexoutSlavery and/or SexoutLegion. If it was' date=' I would be having the issue. I am not, therefore the cause must be something else. Have you tried deactivating Pregnancy? Pregnancy is a [i']much[/i] higher impact mod when compared to Legion and Slavery and when set up to do so adds and runs scripts on every NPC in the area. Yep the pregnancy mod is quite heavy but it is not the cause of this "special" stuttering I am experiencing...I have tested the game via new game with only the tryout plugins and slavery enabled...every other mod even the DLCs where deinstalled...the stutter appeared again It must be some special settings that are not good for those two plugins.
zippy57 Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 But you do not have all the Tryout plugins installed (except SexoutFiends)' date=' do you? Have you tested those together with all your current mods? Especially workinggirl and SexoutPowderGangers seem to be quite intense from point of performance for me o.0 [/quote'] I've attached my .ini files as .txt files because it won't let me upload .ini files. I don't use WorkingGirl or PowderGangers because they add events that will never have a chance to happen in my game so having them in my load order is pointless. I can't speak to their impact on my setup's performance.
PhilMc2 Posted January 8, 2013 Author Posted January 8, 2013 I thank you a lot...I will go through the inis and make some more tests...maybe I can find something...if not we can exclude a lot of possible reasons for the stutter problem. I will give feedback.
PhilMc2 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Posted January 12, 2013 So far my tests were not very satisfying...Did play around with various possibilities but the main problem still occurs. It SEEMS (at least for my system) that the inis are not responsible for the stuttering problem...you can improve performance by changing special values but eliminating the legion/slavery stutter failed Well I reached a point where my will of resolving this issue fades away (3 month is enough). I downloaded the Tryout mod available at Nexus and this works well without stuttering...and I really like that version so I will use this one instead and give up on the tryout version for sexout. Can`t have everything ^^
BCk9 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 It was suggested to me that the problem MIGHT be the DirectX version on the computer is somehow conflicting with/or glitching SexoutNG scanner, although how that could be I don't know. I've had the same problem consistently since I upgraded to the new SexoutNG and after removing all the script heavy mods [Tryouts, Slavery, Pregnancy, and others] did help some, but didn't totally eliminate the issue [still running SexoutNG, SexoutSex, SexoutCompanions, SmallerTalk, AltHookups]. My current DirectX is 9.0c, which is the best I can get for Win XP OS I'm told, apparently DirectX v10 and up won't work with it [Marketing ploy, forcing you to upgrade to the newer OS's and spend our bucks on glitchy ****]. Nuther thot, could it be the new nvse extender from prideslayer playing havoc with older systems? Cancel that question, I see systems specs listed that are making me drool and they seem to have the same problems.
PhilMc2 Posted January 14, 2013 Author Posted January 14, 2013 I have checked various DirectX versions for F:NV but nothing worked...or I missed something very important...but if it would have been very important I would have read about it I guess The nvse extender from Prideslayer works perfectly...I ran the game together with RePopulatedWasteland, Populatedcasinos, a lot of Sexout plugins (except L/S) and the game ran smoothly for hours even with higher scanner frequencies... it must be something with the Legion/Slavery mod itself that does not work properly on every system...or the G.E.C.K. screwed some tiny hidden part of the mod file ^^
zippy57 Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 You can't fix something if you don't know what's causing it. It's not the scanner. I have the same plugins on my game and I don't get this lag you speak of. The problem is something else. Maybe combined with the scanner, maybe on its own. But if the problem were the scanner by itself, I would have the issue. And I don't.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Zippy, do you have an ATI or Nvidia card? Is anybody experiencing this problem on an ATI card on a 64bit system?
wardminator Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Zippy' date=' do you have an ATI or Nvidia card? Is anybody experiencing this problem on an ATI card on a 64bit system? [/quote'] I have an ATI 6770 on a 64 bit system. I have only experienced this at the NCRCF. I have a brand new GTX 650 sitting here at the house I have been thinking about putting in as an alternate video system, just to see if Fallout runs any better on that.
wardminator Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 One thing I did notice was I got enormous stuttering problems like they describe here when I first installed bouncing breasts and had the wrong skeleton installed.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 I have a brand new ATI 7970 and I still get loads of lag. The issue is more pronounced in the RCRCF because of the concentration of NPC's. Going inside one of the cell blocks fixes it. But if you have populated wasteland/casinos, going to the 188 trading post or one of the cassinos eventually gets your game to a crawl. That is to say, I'm experiencing it too. I'm convinced this is an ATI driver problem. Regardless of how good my specs are, I never get good FPS in FNV. It infuriates the hell out of me. I get better FPS playing Crisis 2 or The Witcher 2 on maximum with all my video card graphics options maxed out.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 It would be interesting to find nVidia user suffering from this problem. Thanks Zippy.
wardminator Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 I just installed the nVidia GTX 650 I had laying around here and did about 30 to 40 minutes in the game. With game setting to Ultra and everything maxed, plus running on an HDMI connection (amazing what HDMI does for graphics enhancement and quality) I consistently got between 40-60 FPS with high 50's in a lot of places. Big FPS hit when I got to the prison while everything loaded. Then I was running between 35-45 FPS at the prison without the stuttering I experienced with the ATI 6770.
PhilMc2 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Posted January 15, 2013 I have a GeForce GTX 550 Ti with 306.97 drivers on 64bit OS...I had an ATI before (forgot the name) but bought the NVidia card only to solve my F:NV issues !...the general performance is better but this special stuttering was there with the ATI card and is still there with the NVidia card...so I for myself excluded a problem with ATI cards as the cause for the stutter
maelion Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 I have nvidia GTX570 with latest driver, 8gb ram and suffering from stutter after 30mn. FPS is good, i have micro stutter. Ran the game in window mode (fake fullscreen) and i noticed less stuttering in interior...but problem is still there in the wastelands. I run sexout compilation.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Damn, I was convinced this was related to the facegen issue with ATI cards (you know, the one that is supposedly solved by that D3d9.dll thingie, which never worked for me) I am on the verge of trading in my AMD/ATI Radeon HD 7970 for a similar or slightly inferior nVidia card just because of this crazy as hell FPS problem I have with FNV. I know all about the stutter, and it gets progressively worse in heavily crowded areas. It is probably related to memory leakage by the game, which is prone to do this. I reckon the scanner must exacerbate it, as enough people have reported the issue. What bugs me is why do some people (like Zippy, and there are others) not get it too?
theskid Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I've tried lots of things...with this latest install I'm just using a default config of high details but I'm running a much lower resolution 1280 by 720 letterbox instead of my native 1920by 1080 resolution. To be fair I have really awful Nvidia card (a GT 420) compared to most others but so far it's running very smooth. Got stutter remover and configator on standby though if things start to get choppy. I had this issue with both FO3 and New Vegas, with various different cards on various different computers though, and that's before I was even playing with mods. I'm convinced the engine itself is just crap.
Chase Roxand Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 I too have noticed stutter recently. I think it's an NVIDIA driver issue, since I don't remember this happening before. Only other thing I can think of is that Slavery and the Tryouts heavily use the Sexout scanner.
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