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Not sure where else to ask this since every time I look for help on other forums it takes damn near never to get an answer,

So my wrye bash is acting weird,  and by that i mean I can't manually sort and organize the mods any more.  In other words I can't click and drag the plugins.  Any clue as to what the issue is?  It happened earlier tonight after I installed better cities and did a CBash patch...bash.  I've uninstalled and re-installed both oblivion and wrye bash,  but it just doesn't seem to want to cooperate.

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That's most probably the case here, 'Lock times' active. Maybe it's on by default.


To switch off this option, simply right-click on the 'Files' header bar at the top in the 'Mods' tab and uncheck this option in the middle of the appearing context menu. After making the desired changes to the load order it's best to switch this option back on.


After external changes to mods WB will put that plugin back to its original place thanks to this option, by restoring the timestamp it had before the change. Examples are cleaning with 'TES4Edit'. Or editing an esp in the CS.

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After external changes to mods WB will put that plugin back to its original place thanks to this option, by restoring the timestamp it had before the change. Examples are cleaning with 'TES4Edit'. Or editing an esp in the CS.


Or after watching BOSS completely destroy a perfectly functioning load order. Or running OBMM...

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That's why I don't use BOSS

I extract all the juice out of the Balo Group functionality... sadly only available up to v 291.1 I think

They removed it in later versions and earned my everlasting hatred for it in the process


It works perfectly with lock times on and resets everything just the way you like it


The only work one has to do is set the groups properly, put everything in exactly the group where you wanted, lock times on and never worry again about load order, no BOSS, no OBMM

Every new mod installed doesn't get last it gets to "NONE" group where you can leave it there or put it somewhere else

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Yeah. Two times I gave BOSS a chance. On both occasions things broke. Since then I prefer not to give it any more tries.

Took some time to fix the issues it caused and I had to find workarounds to restore functionality to a few mods.


One major problem is the mass of customized mods I have installed. Merged mods, esps I made myself - they all aren't recognized by BOSS.

For a total of almost fifty esps the software has no clue whatsoever where to put them!


That 'Balo' stuff - is this related to the group types you can assign to plugins, like 'Animation/Poses', 'Cosmetic' or 'Tweak'?

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I have said it many times but it bears repeating at least once more,  BOSS should only be run after you do a clean install and install all your base mods (non lovers stuff).  Once that is done you really should stick to hand sorting from that point on.  Doing otherwise risks breaking or making a mess of things as folks have detailed above.

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That's what I know now after finding out the hard way. The funny thing is - it happened again. After the first time I really should have let it go, but no!

Let's run this tool again and muck up a working install for a second time, because troubleshooting is such an interesting puzzle!

Playing mod Sherlock Holmes instead of the game itself is a lot of fun.


I wonder why I still have it installed? Hmm, let's see... Maybe I could... Just one more time to be sure... :P

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That 'Balo' stuff - is this related to the group types you can assign to plugins, like 'Animation/Poses', 'Cosmetic' or 'Tweak'?



But every group can be entirely customized, you can add extensions to groups in positive and negative numbers, name them as whatever you like and place them in whatever order you like


A while ago I was having issues with some mods, after re installing some stuff some issues went away... I hope they don't come back again cause I never found the real problem

Some trouble with Dwemer Skyship driving animations and some messed up shadow issues... the shadow issues seemed to be related to installing Unnecessary Violence II, then HUD Status Bars, then shadows broke, re installing UVII over itself fixes the thing... the weirdest part, is that HUD Status Bars doesnt change any UV ini settings, overwrite anything... it just happens because  I installed one and then the other... It's probably the most fucked up issue I've ever seen... but at least I got a way to solve it...


Anyway I mention this because I posted it some time ago... and nobody seemed to care... But I put in there my load order cause I thought that was a place to look for errors...


Have a look, you can see what you can do with Balo groups... it undergoes some changes every time but the basic structure remains the same... I almost never got load order issues and If I do they're very easy to identify and solve



BTW in that structure, If I got Lovers, those would have to be either before or after where I put "Race" groups

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I had seen that post of yours, but I was clueless what could have cause the weird shadow issue. Seems you are playing with skin texturing active, something I'm not used to anymore for years now.


This mod grouping is indeed what I have been doing more or less instinctively ever since I started using Bash. That way it's much easier to find several plugins at once for mass-deactivation. Pose mods for example. I only have five of them active at a time and swap them out with other pose mods after a while. At a single glance into the 'Groups' column they can be found, unchecked and all moved to the 'Hidden' directory at once. Thanks to 'Lock times' active the 'fresh' pose mods I unhide are then placed in the exact spot the previous pose mods were occupying.


So this is called a 'Balo' group. I was only unfamilar with the term but love using this technique.

And they really removed this function in later versions?!

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Guest Leonardo W
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My load order, after a year of testing and reinstalling now this 100%
Any questions send pm because what works for me may not work for others

Active Mod Files:

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02 Cobl Main.esm [Version -1.00]
03 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
04 Lovers with PK.esm
05 TamagoClub.esm
06 HiyokoClub.esm
07 LoversCreature.esm
08 TantrivayliaChimer.esm
09 Hair Style Master.esm
0A CM Partners.esm
0B Lattamerv3.esm
0C DiabloEF 6 in 1.esm
0D ShieldOnBack.esm [Version 3.4.1]
0E xeorace.esm
0F AIRrace Evy.esm
10 FFRace.esm
11 x117race.esm
12 Chanpon.esm
13 wolfzqraceEV85.esm [Version 0.85]
14 wolfzqcustom85EV.esm [Version 0.85EV]
15 MbpGirlImp.esp
16 MbpGirlRed.esp
17 MbpGirlBosmer.esp
18 MbpGirlAltmer.esp
19 MbpGirlNord.esp
1A MbpGirlKhajiit.esp
1B MbpGirlBreton.esp
1C Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.2]
1D UOPS Additional Changes.esp
1E UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
1F Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
20 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
21 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0]
22 USIPS Additional Changes.esp
** Loading Screens - Vanilla No Text.esp
23 Our Days & Months.esp
24 Oblivion_BR.esp
25 AFK_PrayerIdles.esp [Version 1.0]
++ 1HweaponOnBack.esp [Version 1.0]
26 Streamline 3.1.esp
++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
27 VipCxj_HighHeels.esp
28 Cobl Glue.esp [Version -1.00]
29 EnchantmentRestore.esp
++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
2A StolenItemOwnership.esp
2B Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
2C Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.3]
2D Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp [Version 1.3]
++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
2E Populated Prisons.esp
2F Trolls Under Bridges.esp
30 Smarter Bandits.esp
31 Adult_BookStore.esp
32 Bandit Hideouts.esp
33 aLHerobook01.esp
34 Housewives v101.esp
35 AnvilBayMisteryHouse.esp
36 GlenvarCastle.esp
++ DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp
37 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
38 AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp
39 icearmor.esp
3A Chained.esp
3B Midnight Gymnastics.esp
3C SwordDancerRemodel.esp
3D R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp
3E SPB DMMC Ribbon Armor 1_5.esp
3F DMRA - Bouncing Butts.esp [Version 10]
40 Neo'sFelicia.esp
41 DesuChan's Store.esp
42 XelusBayonettaHGEC.esp
43 XELUSMirandaOutfit.esp
44 SPB Body Suit 2.esp
45 BSK Break Undies.esp
46 WickaCloth_and_Indekchu.esp
47 GouchoGirl.esp
48 Adventurer Set.esp
49 Dragon Song.esp
4A sonya.esp
4B SnowySignatureOutfit.esp
4C Supergirl.esp
4D Powergirl.esp
4E Wonder Woman.esp
4F draeneiraider.esp
50 1SB_PureFantasyMage_Outfits.esp
51 Dangerous.esp
52 Kasumi.esp
53 humunculusGirl.esp
54 ShevaTribal.esp
55 HTBDragonSongOutfits.esp
56 milkslave.esp
57 DQcow.esp
58 AssassinAngel.esp
59 Chin CatSuit.esp
5A blackmarshmaiden.esp
5B Dream Walker.esp
5C SArmor.esp
5D Demon Lilith.esp
5E Naughty_Joana_01.esp
5F Hentai Mania.esp
60 FutaPriory.esp
61 Retbury Village.esp [Version 1.1-Cobl]
62 Damsels In Distress.esp
63 Tantrivaylia.esp
64 Dibella Temple Final.esp
65 Lops_hidden_village.esp
66 Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp [Version 3.1]
67 DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp [Version 1.1]
68 Whispered Warning.esp
69 Colourwheels Sexy Tavern HGEC.esp
6A Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp
6B ColourWheels Sexy Milk Maid HGEC.esp
6C Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp
6D Colourwheels Sexy Silk Lingerie HGEC.esp
6F the punished girlbox.esp
71 Neverender.esp
72 MCaleb's_Decompose_Corpse_v1.2.esp
73 Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
74 CharGenAmulet.esp
75 Kill.esp
76 BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp
77 SetEssentialActors.esp
78 TamagoBreak.esp
79 TamagoNews.esp
7A TamagoShop.esp
7B TamagoTopic.esp
7C TamagoConfide.esp
7D LoversTamagoClub.esp
7E HiyokoGenerator.esp
7F TamagoSetBody.esp
++ LoversBreakArmor.esp
80 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
81 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
82 LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp
83 LoversRaperS.esp
84 LoversContraception.esp
85 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96]
86 LoversCreature.esp
87 LoversBitch.esp
88 LoversMagic.esp
89 LoversClubCats.esp
8A LoversClubCatsSx.esp
8B LoversOrgy.esp
8C LoversChorus.esp
8D LoversImmoralSisters.esp
8E LoversImmoralGuards.esp
8F LoversSlaveTrader.esp
90 LoversProstitute.esp [Version 0.25a]
91 LSTBravilUnderground.esp
92 LSTaddonIn.esp
93 SetBody.esp
** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp
94 Abriael_Human.esp
95 Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp [Version 2.0]
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
96 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Dialog.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
97 From2ch Lives.esp
98 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
99 Real_Mannequin.esp
9A x117race.esp
++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++ x117Race ENG Race.esp
9B Lop-ears Elf.esp
9C AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp
9D LattamerV3.esp
9E FFRace.esp
9F AIRrace Evy.esp
A0 DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
A1 Kaleencolors.esp
A2 Kaleenspiked.esp
A3 SMChorrol.esp
A4 Synx.esp
A5 xeoice.esp
A6 CM Partners.esp
A7 From2ch Lives Boss.esp
A8 F2L_FaceChange.esp
A9 Ta22's 01Army.esp
AA F2LMiqoteAddon.esp
AB 117NPCs.esp
AC F2LAddon_MSElves.esp
AD F2LHideRaces.esp
AE SMSynx.esp
AF CM Audrey.esp
B0 Android_Jenny_EN.esp
B3 Ariane.esp
B4 Zodiac Companions.esp
B5 CM Emilia.esp
B6 CM Laika & Miyu.esp
B7 GG_Luna.esp
B8 GG_Lynx.esp
B9 GG_Ashley.esp
BA GG_Ivy.esp
BB GGC_Kirin.esp
BC CursedAnita.esp
BD GGC_Mila.esp
BE GGC_Messiah.esp
BF Aleatha.esp
C0 Kalen.esp
C1 Kira.esp
C2 eyja.esp
C3 CM Pym.esp
C4 CM Partner SweetCakes LaBash.esp
C5 DAJadeAmberSheevaTabaxi.esp
C6 DAMerpeople.esp
C7 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
C8 UChainBeast.esp
C9 zzEstrus.esp
CA wolfzqmylover85EV.esp [Version 0.85]
CB wolfzqcursed85EV.esp [Version 0.85EV]
CC wolfzqTentacle85EV.esp [Version 0.85EV]
CD BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.10.f]
CE Bashed Patch, 0.esp
D0 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
D1 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
D2 Lovers3dorgasm2.esp
D3 Lovers3dorgasm.esp

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