TheJuice Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Not sure where else to ask this since every time I look for help on other forums it takes damn near never to get an answer,So my wrye bash is acting weird, and by that i mean I can't manually sort and organize the mods any more. In other words I can't click and drag the plugins. Any clue as to what the issue is? It happened earlier tonight after I installed better cities and did a CBash patch...bash. I've uninstalled and re-installed both oblivion and wrye bash, but it just doesn't seem to want to cooperate. Link to comment
geonosis Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 had this problem too. i fixed this with running in admin mode (stupid folder protection) Link to comment
TheJuice Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 Radical, thanks dude I'll try it out tomorrow. Edit: Looks like that didn't work :/ Any other ideas folks? I suppose I could sort it through OBMM then bash but it's gonna get tedious rather quickly. Link to comment
Myst42 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Maybe you have "lock times" turned on... if you get the message "Auto ordered files cannot be manually moved" Then its lock times working Link to comment
Poontank Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 That's most probably the case here, 'Lock times' active. Maybe it's on by default. To switch off this option, simply right-click on the 'Files' header bar at the top in the 'Mods' tab and uncheck this option in the middle of the appearing context menu. After making the desired changes to the load order it's best to switch this option back on. After external changes to mods WB will put that plugin back to its original place thanks to this option, by restoring the timestamp it had before the change. Examples are cleaning with 'TES4Edit'. Or editing an esp in the CS. Link to comment
GMac2021 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 After external changes to mods WB will put that plugin back to its original place thanks to this option, by restoring the timestamp it had before the change. Examples are cleaning with 'TES4Edit'. Or editing an esp in the CS. Or after watching BOSS completely destroy a perfectly functioning load order. Or running OBMM... Link to comment
Myst42 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 That's why I don't use BOSS I extract all the juice out of the Balo Group functionality... sadly only available up to v 291.1 I think They removed it in later versions and earned my everlasting hatred for it in the process It works perfectly with lock times on and resets everything just the way you like it The only work one has to do is set the groups properly, put everything in exactly the group where you wanted, lock times on and never worry again about load order, no BOSS, no OBMM Every new mod installed doesn't get last it gets to "NONE" group where you can leave it there or put it somewhere else Link to comment
Poontank Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Yeah. Two times I gave BOSS a chance. On both occasions things broke. Since then I prefer not to give it any more tries. Took some time to fix the issues it caused and I had to find workarounds to restore functionality to a few mods. One major problem is the mass of customized mods I have installed. Merged mods, esps I made myself - they all aren't recognized by BOSS. For a total of almost fifty esps the software has no clue whatsoever where to put them! That 'Balo' stuff - is this related to the group types you can assign to plugins, like 'Animation/Poses', 'Cosmetic' or 'Tweak'? Link to comment
gregathit Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 I have said it many times but it bears repeating at least once more, BOSS should only be run after you do a clean install and install all your base mods (non lovers stuff). Once that is done you really should stick to hand sorting from that point on. Doing otherwise risks breaking or making a mess of things as folks have detailed above. Link to comment
Poontank Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 That's what I know now after finding out the hard way. The funny thing is - it happened again. After the first time I really should have let it go, but no! Let's run this tool again and muck up a working install for a second time, because troubleshooting is such an interesting puzzle! Playing mod Sherlock Holmes instead of the game itself is a lot of fun. I wonder why I still have it installed? Hmm, let's see... Maybe I could... Just one more time to be sure... Link to comment
Myst42 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 That 'Balo' stuff - is this related to the group types you can assign to plugins, like 'Animation/Poses', 'Cosmetic' or 'Tweak'? Yeap But every group can be entirely customized, you can add extensions to groups in positive and negative numbers, name them as whatever you like and place them in whatever order you like A while ago I was having issues with some mods, after re installing some stuff some issues went away... I hope they don't come back again cause I never found the real problem Some trouble with Dwemer Skyship driving animations and some messed up shadow issues... the shadow issues seemed to be related to installing Unnecessary Violence II, then HUD Status Bars, then shadows broke, re installing UVII over itself fixes the thing... the weirdest part, is that HUD Status Bars doesnt change any UV ini settings, overwrite anything... it just happens because I installed one and then the other... It's probably the most fucked up issue I've ever seen... but at least I got a way to solve it... Anyway I mention this because I posted it some time ago... and nobody seemed to care... But I put in there my load order cause I thought that was a place to look for errors... Have a look, you can see what you can do with Balo groups... it undergoes some changes every time but the basic structure remains the same... I almost never got load order issues and If I do they're very easy to identify and solve http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20166-dwemer-skyship-v2-shadow-issues-and-stuff/ BTW in that structure, If I got Lovers, those would have to be either before or after where I put "Race" groups Link to comment
Poontank Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 I had seen that post of yours, but I was clueless what could have cause the weird shadow issue. Seems you are playing with skin texturing active, something I'm not used to anymore for years now. This mod grouping is indeed what I have been doing more or less instinctively ever since I started using Bash. That way it's much easier to find several plugins at once for mass-deactivation. Pose mods for example. I only have five of them active at a time and swap them out with other pose mods after a while. At a single glance into the 'Groups' column they can be found, unchecked and all moved to the 'Hidden' directory at once. Thanks to 'Lock times' active the 'fresh' pose mods I unhide are then placed in the exact spot the previous pose mods were occupying. So this is called a 'Balo' group. I was only unfamilar with the term but love using this technique. And they really removed this function in later versions?! Link to comment
TheJuice Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 I don't know if I had lock times on or not but it works now after right clicking the files header. Thanks folks Link to comment
Guest Leonardo W Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 as requested My load order, after a year of testing and reinstalling now this 100% Any questions send pm because what works for me may not work for others Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm 02 Cobl Main.esm [Version -1.00] 03 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm 04 Lovers with PK.esm 05 TamagoClub.esm 06 HiyokoClub.esm 07 LoversCreature.esm 08 TantrivayliaChimer.esm 09 Hair Style Master.esm 0A CM Partners.esm 0B Lattamerv3.esm 0C DiabloEF 6 in 1.esm 0D ShieldOnBack.esm [Version 3.4.1] 0E xeorace.esm 0F AIRrace Evy.esm 10 FFRace.esm 11 x117race.esm 12 Chanpon.esm 13 wolfzqraceEV85.esm [Version 0.85] 14 wolfzqcustom85EV.esm [Version 0.85EV] 15 MbpGirlImp.esp 16 MbpGirlRed.esp 17 MbpGirlBosmer.esp 18 MbpGirlAltmer.esp 19 MbpGirlNord.esp 1A MbpGirlKhajiit.esp 1B MbpGirlBreton.esp 1C Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.2] 1D UOPS Additional Changes.esp 1E UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] 1F Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp 20 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 21 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0] 22 USIPS Additional Changes.esp ** Loading Screens - Vanilla No Text.esp 23 Our Days & Months.esp 24 Oblivion_BR.esp 25 AFK_PrayerIdles.esp [Version 1.0] ++ 1HweaponOnBack.esp [Version 1.0] 26 Streamline 3.1.esp ++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp 27 VipCxj_HighHeels.esp 28 Cobl Glue.esp [Version -1.00] 29 EnchantmentRestore.esp ++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp 2A StolenItemOwnership.esp 2B Kvatch Rebuilt.esp 2C Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.3] 2D Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp [Version 1.3] ++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp 2E Populated Prisons.esp 2F Trolls Under Bridges.esp 30 Smarter Bandits.esp 31 Adult_BookStore.esp 32 Bandit Hideouts.esp 33 aLHerobook01.esp 34 Housewives v101.esp 35 AnvilBayMisteryHouse.esp 36 GlenvarCastle.esp ++ DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp 37 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp 38 AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp 39 icearmor.esp 3A Chained.esp 3B Midnight Gymnastics.esp 3C SwordDancerRemodel.esp 3D R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp 3E SPB DMMC Ribbon Armor 1_5.esp 3F DMRA - Bouncing Butts.esp [Version 10] 40 Neo'sFelicia.esp 41 DesuChan's Store.esp 42 XelusBayonettaHGEC.esp 43 XELUSMirandaOutfit.esp 44 SPB Body Suit 2.esp 45 BSK Break Undies.esp 46 WickaCloth_and_Indekchu.esp 47 GouchoGirl.esp 48 Adventurer Set.esp 49 Dragon Song.esp 4A sonya.esp 4B SnowySignatureOutfit.esp 4C Supergirl.esp 4D Powergirl.esp 4E Wonder Woman.esp 4F draeneiraider.esp 50 1SB_PureFantasyMage_Outfits.esp 51 Dangerous.esp 52 Kasumi.esp 53 humunculusGirl.esp 54 ShevaTribal.esp 55 HTBDragonSongOutfits.esp 56 milkslave.esp 57 DQcow.esp 58 AssassinAngel.esp 59 Chin CatSuit.esp 5A blackmarshmaiden.esp 5B Dream Walker.esp 5C SArmor.esp 5D Demon Lilith.esp 5E Naughty_Joana_01.esp 5F Hentai Mania.esp 60 FutaPriory.esp 61 Retbury Village.esp [Version 1.1-Cobl] 62 Damsels In Distress.esp 63 Tantrivaylia.esp 64 Dibella Temple Final.esp 65 Lops_hidden_village.esp 66 Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp [Version 3.1] 67 DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp [Version 1.1] 68 Whispered Warning.esp 69 Colourwheels Sexy Tavern HGEC.esp 6A Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp 6B ColourWheels Sexy Milk Maid HGEC.esp 6C Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp 6D Colourwheels Sexy Silk Lingerie HGEC.esp 6E MONSTERGIRL-DEMON HIVE.esp 6F the punished girlbox.esp 70 CHILDREN ANNUAD.esp 71 Neverender.esp 72 MCaleb's_Decompose_Corpse_v1.2.esp 73 Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp 74 CharGenAmulet.esp 75 Kill.esp 76 BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp 77 SetEssentialActors.esp 78 TamagoBreak.esp 79 TamagoNews.esp 7A TamagoShop.esp 7B TamagoTopic.esp 7C TamagoConfide.esp 7D LoversTamagoClub.esp 7E HiyokoGenerator.esp 7F TamagoSetBody.esp ++ LoversBreakArmor.esp 80 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp 81 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp 82 LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp 83 LoversRaperS.esp 84 LoversContraception.esp 85 Lovers with PK.esp [Version 96] 86 LoversCreature.esp 87 LoversBitch.esp 88 LoversMagic.esp 89 LoversClubCats.esp 8A LoversClubCatsSx.esp 8B LoversOrgy.esp 8C LoversChorus.esp 8D LoversImmoralSisters.esp 8E LoversImmoralGuards.esp 8F LoversSlaveTrader.esp 90 LoversProstitute.esp [Version 0.25a] 91 LSTBravilUnderground.esp 92 LSTaddonIn.esp 93 SetBody.esp ** LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp 94 Abriael_Human.esp 95 Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp [Version 2.0] ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp ** Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp 96 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Dialog.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp 97 From2ch Lives.esp 98 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp 99 Real_Mannequin.esp 9A x117race.esp ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp ++ x117Race ENG Race.esp 9B Lop-ears Elf.esp 9C AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp 9D LattamerV3.esp 9E FFRace.esp 9F AIRrace Evy.esp A0 DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp A1 Kaleencolors.esp A2 Kaleenspiked.esp A3 SMChorrol.esp A4 Synx.esp A5 xeoice.esp A6 CM Partners.esp A7 From2ch Lives Boss.esp A8 F2L_FaceChange.esp A9 Ta22's 01Army.esp AA F2LMiqoteAddon.esp AB 117NPCs.esp AC F2LAddon_MSElves.esp AD F2LHideRaces.esp AE SMSynx.esp AF CM Audrey.esp B0 Android_Jenny_EN.esp B1 CM SASHEIRA THE ARCHER.esp B2 CM DESTINY BK.esp B3 Ariane.esp B4 Zodiac Companions.esp B5 CM Emilia.esp B6 CM Laika & Miyu.esp B7 GG_Luna.esp B8 GG_Lynx.esp B9 GG_Ashley.esp BA GG_Ivy.esp BB GGC_Kirin.esp BC CursedAnita.esp BD GGC_Mila.esp BE GGC_Messiah.esp BF Aleatha.esp C0 Kalen.esp C1 Kira.esp C2 eyja.esp C3 CM Pym.esp C4 CM Partner SweetCakes LaBash.esp C5 DAJadeAmberSheevaTabaxi.esp C6 DAMerpeople.esp C7 FuroGeneratorTrap.esp C8 UChainBeast.esp C9 zzEstrus.esp CA wolfzqmylover85EV.esp [Version 0.85] CB wolfzqcursed85EV.esp [Version 0.85EV] CC wolfzqTentacle85EV.esp [Version 0.85EV] CD BreakArmor.esp [Version 1.10.f] CE Bashed Patch, 0.esp CF MONSTERGIRL-CoC.esp D0 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp D1 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp D2 Lovers3dorgasm2.esp D3 Lovers3dorgasm.esp Link to comment
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