Attractiveness and gender problems

[V-Dr]

I can't find a way to fix this, and it's been several days of fruitless googling and trial and error.

I had an engaged couple pre Wohoo and intalled Wicked Whims. Set everything to limit the autonomy and similar so I can keep full control, gave the couple several days of loving interaction (still no Wohoo), did some tests without saving them and adjusted settings multiple times. (They are still saved as Pre-wohoo/-sex)

But the problem I keep getting is that I can't get them Attracted to each other (not Saving whenever they express lack of it).

And the barrier is "I'm not into [insert the fiance's gender/sex]" no matter what I try.

I first set the recognition to gender and manually assigned male sex role to the male and female to the female, wrong (they even ended up transgender somehow, female goes "you make me feel like a man" and the male "[...]like a woman", I haven't seen this the other way around yet), so later I set it to by sex, also wrong.
I set him to top and her to bottom, still wrong.

I set male's preference to female and picked her bodytype traits, did the same for the female, wrong. So I set their preferences to based on Sim and picked each other, also wrong, made them bi on top of that and STILL the guy is not into women and the gal not into men...
They both have Unique Appearance and Attractiveness Ambivalent (this is what fits the characters those 2 Sims represent)
OFC they do get the "have sex with [fiance Sim]" and "do [romantic interaction] with [fiance Sim]" whims as intended. But it bugs me WW doesn't recognize them as attracted to each other,
They are together for almost 2 Sims years by now.

I just can't get past this, I tried queueing the Ask about Attractiveness Preferences interaction several times in a row and all I'm getting is "I'm not into [your gender/sex]".
What am I missing?

 

Intended behaviour:
zero autonomy, closed MF relationship/faithfulness
not transgener
the fiances being attracted to each other, possibly not shallow
characters being as innocent as they can be and loving, sex wil happen later and will be frequent as a bond strengthening act, I'm just setting it all up first (the story, settign etc.)

extra:
the male wears feminine addons: make up, hair, mixed clothing and has one of the 3 left voices (feminine I guess) lowered so it sounds like a tenor/countertenor, is very thin

the female is on the feminine side but has small breasts and is fit, has short male hair

Please help, which settings should I change to what to fix this?

[Scorpio]

1 hour ago, V-Dr said:

Please help, which settings should I change to what to fix this?

Wow you got quite a mess, lol.

 

First thing is don't select Roles by clicking on sims as they are for Gay and Lesbian Couples only.

This determines which Male or which female is the dominant sim and plays the top.

 

Look in your Saves folder and Delete the WickedWhims folder.

Now move your WickedWhimsMod folder to desktop for now.

Delete your localthumbcache.pkg in your TS4 folder.

Load your game into played household and do a 'Save As' Testing or whatever then exit game.

This will reset WW settings back to defaults.

Load the new save as you just made.

 

Now move the WickedWhimsMod folder back into mods folder and start the game.

 

Once your household loads and finishes displaying all the info...

 

Open the cheat window using Ctrl+Shft+C and type... ww.preference_hetero 100 all

(This sets all your sims to be straight sex gender preference obviously)

(You can fix any gay or lesbian sims later)

 

Now go into WW Settings and disable WW Attractions for now.

 

WW Settings/Relationship Settings:
/Personality Settings: Disabled
/Attractiveness Settings: Disabled
Open Relationships: ON (Cheating)
Romance Age:ON (OFF by default.. Now requires game restart after changing)
Cheats: Desire Switch: ON, Global Jealousy: (Your Choice), Global Incest: (Your Choice)  
*New setting added for random sims gender preference generation

Set to 0, 100, 0, 0

This is for new sims added to game after initial game start to make them all hetero.

 

Next you want WW Settings to use gender rules for MF pairs.

 

WW Settings/Sex Settings:

Sex Interaction Settings: Respect Gender Preference: ON 

 

/Cheats: Always Accept (0 or 1 Bar) (2 bars bypass gender rules)

 

WW Settings/Sex Settings/Autonomy Settings/Autonomy Awareness:

Player Sims: ON, Joining Sex: ON, Relationship Awareness: OFF,(Cheating)
Pregnancy Awareness: OFF, Sex Location Memory: ON, Sex Animation Memory: ON
Block around Children: (Your Choice)
***Joining Sex Gender Compliance: ON (OFF for sims to auto join in group sex)***
Joining Sex Relationship Compliance: OFF (ON=less joining in sex if in romantic relationships)

 

The other settings are up to you and how you want to tune WW for personal game play.

 

You should also edit your Player Sims in CAS and make sure the Male has Masculine Frame and the Female has Feminine Frame.

 

Let me know what else you need changed if it needs more adjustments after testing.

Edited August 31, 2021 by Scorpio

[Husk]

That'd be due to the Attractiveness Ambivalent setting.

 

It's simply displaying an incorrect message - the correct one would be "I don't care about looks."

So your Sims technically don't find each other attractive, because they don't perceive other Sims as attractive by their looks, but their personality and bond between them.

Will be fixed in the next release.

[V-Dr]

1 hour ago, Scorpio said:

Open Relationships: ON (Cheating)

Romance Age:ON (OFF by default.. Now requires game restart after changing)

 

WW Settings/Sex Settings/Autonomy Settings/Autonomy Awareness:

Player Sims: ON, Joining Sex: ON, Relationship Awareness: OFF,(Cheating)

***Joining Sex Gender Compliance: ON (OFF for sims to auto join in group sex)***

 

The other settings are up to you and how you want to tune WW for personal game play.

 

You should also edit your Player Sims in CAS and make sure the Male has Masculine Frame and the Female has Feminine Frame.

 

Let me know what else you need changed if it needs more adjustments after testing.

It's a lot, thanks for a detailed reply

 

I only play 1 family, so at least I don't need to worry about fixing other SIMs' orientations
the masculine/feminine frames should be fine with characters in question? (if I undertstood what "frame" is here: male gender using masculine body type base in this case? aka Base Game's default?), I made both Sims in base game pre-modding (I simply ignored the clothing norms by closing the item filters), only added horns (CAS, hat) and WW genitals(non CAS) later, they also both equip correct genitals

 

But... if enabling infidelity/autonomy/orgy etc. settings (those I left in the quote, except "Romance age" because I have no clue what it does atm) is required for (cis)genders/sexes and  attractiveness to work, then I'd rather leave the feature broken as is ^^; true I'd like to fix those and have my couple be full&complete but not at all cost:P

 

So, for now I think I'll wait for the WW update first. In the meantime, when I'll have some more time to play, I'll try to check if removing either the Unique Appearance or/and Attractiveness Ambivalent traits will improve anything here or not, and if the problem stays after those least invasive attempts, then I'll try reinstalling WW without touching the gender roles settings area this time and see if this is enough or not, so I'm definitely saving your instruction for later and try to play with it to some extend (without enabling the stuff I can't cope with thoguh) if needed,
If I'll have to give up something, I'll give up the attractiveness part and keep the control over what my Sims do and what shows on my screen. I'd like to at least try within my boundaries first though.

[Scorpio]

37 minutes ago, V-Dr said:

If I'll have to give up something, I'll give up the attractiveness part and keep the control over what my Sims do and what shows on my screen. I'd like to at least try within my boundaries first though.

Well you could at least set your played sims Attractiveness settings to One Gender Only and Deselect the other.

Don't pick any Dislikes. 

[V-Dr]

9 hours ago, Husk said:

That'd be due to the Attractiveness Ambivalent setting.

 

It's simply displaying an incorrect message - the correct one would be "I don't care about looks."

So your Sims technically don't find each other attractive, because they don't perceive other Sims as attractive by their looks, but their personality and bond between them.

Will be fixed in the next release.

 

I just tried test removing this trait (Attractiveness Ambivalent), and applied the attractiveness based on Sim (each other), guy got the mild(positives) level, gal the middle level:
This changed them to say something else indeed, it's: "I like revealing outfits" from both and "I like the color white" from the guy:P (idk why it's white and just white, since he also likes 3 other colors and she wears lots of red in all outfits) it seems to be just those two texts (both from guy, 1 from gal) but it's still better than being stuck with "I'm not into [your sex]":P

After this, I tried to assign preferences by hand on the gal (after setting her as "based on Sim" on the 1st [positives only] level) and she actually started saying relevant things such as the hip width (his) or hair color (his).

But I finally managed to find a way to make it work at all with no changes to any other part of WW:) Which is a success to me, thanks Husk, a spot on advice! Attractiveness Ambivalent trait was obviously  indeed the cause.

They show the hearts of attraction for each other now:)
(Phew, I'm so glad I didn't have to touch the files in the end! or the settings I'd rather never see changed xD)

OFC I do prefer those two to be not much appearances based in the end (I'd like them as close to demisexual as I can get, and Attractiveness Ambivalent feeels like a trait a demi needs to be demi-like, I guess) so I guess I'm looking forward for the update:P I hope it will take this trait into account a bit more and give its possessors something nice to say about the Sim "questioning them":) It may be hard to set it with the current settings though, since all attrativeness preferences options are not linked to personality/behavour (etc.) related traits atm, the entire section would probably need to get expanded in such case ?
But, with my overall settings, I personally can live without this trait and pretend they developed those preferences from each other:P Would be neat to give demisexuality some love tho. e.g. by making it less dissatiisfying to play^^ Even if just to be mindful and inclusive:) But I digress!

 

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Scorpio:

I had it set at one gender and expanded to bi later as a give up I'm leaving the dislikes empty though, thanks:)

Edited August 31, 2021 by V-Dr

[Scorpio]

40 minutes ago, V-Dr said:

I had it set at one gender and expanded to bi later as a give up I'm leaving the dislikes empty though, thanks:)

Didn't realize you wanted bi-sexual sims.

 

I've never used the (Attractiveness Ambivalent) Attribute because it isn't needed anyway.

Sims will have sex with anybody irregardless of their looks or any WW Attractions settings.

And I've made suggestions to TURBO long ago that Attractions have no 'teeth' when it comes down to who does what with who.

 

My male player sim is Romantic and/or highly attracted to some females and also high relationships.

Yet in a Nightclub with 20 other sims who always asks for sex first... Total Strangers.

Before this was a big letdown as I had only a few select Sims edited with CC that actually made them Attractive.

The rest were Fugly EA random spawns and those were the Total Strangers asking all the time.

 

But now I have over 100 sims edited and saved to Tray so all my sims are attractive, some more so than others of course.

So it doesn't bother me as much at least, however those same strangers are the ones always asking and my sims Lovers always get ignored.

My sims Lovers are Extremely Attractive.

Strangers are Extremely Unattractive.

WW Attractions don't matter as they are only 'fluff'.

I've disabled Attractions until they actually do something.   

[V-Dr]

10 hours ago, Scorpio said:

Didn't realize you wanted bi-sexual sims.

 

I've never used the (Attractiveness Ambivalent) Attribute because it isn't needed anyway.

Sims will have sex with anybody irregardless of their looks or any WW Attractions settings.

And I've made suggestions to TURBO long ago that Attractions have no 'teeth' when it comes down to who does what with who.

 

My male player sim is Romantic and/or highly attracted to some females and also high relationships.

Yet in a Nightclub with 20 other sims who always asks for sex first... Total Strangers.

Before this was a big letdown as I had only a few select Sims edited with CC that actually made them Attractive.

The rest were Fugly EA random spawns and those were the Total Strangers asking all the time.

 

But now I have over 100 sims edited and saved to Tray so all my sims are attractive, some more so than others of course.

So it doesn't bother me as much at least, however those same strangers are the ones always asking and my sims Lovers always get ignored.

My sims Lovers are Extremely Attractive.

Strangers are Extremely Unattractive.

WW Attractions don't matter as they are only 'fluff'.

I've disabled Attractions until they actually do something.   

With no autonomy and such I don't mind them bi in the end, but now the problem was found they are set as soft hetero, it's not necessary tho, at least for the female. All I care about here is a positive 100% 1-1 relationship and no random porn in random moments and places:) I achieved that by now, so I'm quite content.

Not sure if the Ambivalent trait is not needed, as I said, it feels like a trait a demisexual Sim should have (since demis get attracted after knowing someone for who they are, and looks mean nothing) but the way it is now is just very dissatisfying (and I mean for someone who wants demi)^^;
but true, would be nice if the attractiveness had stronger influence alltogether (generally in all my tests my couple had sex many times in a row even if 2 or 3 of their base needs bars were red and without persuasion or any similar helping trait I think, and while they still kept saying they don't see anyone interesting while Scooping the room they shared. I thought my mods should let them refuse each other at some point but they never did too xD I just had no clue if it's their full pink bar or sth else).
(But if your settigns are the same as those you suggested to me, no wonder your Sims bonk like anything that moves:P)

Mostly fluff it seems, yeah, but generally the game itself is mostly fluff too (nearly no memories, just generalized stats hidden somewhere and events seem not attached to "with whom" or anything; even with a mod that is supposed to give them memories - since all they seem to remember there is food and the score of dating out but also not with whom it was).

But the attractiveness did change "complement body" to "complement sexy body" for my couple xD It just feels more wholesome to play to me if at least some things are somewhere in their code instead of all just in my head^^ This is why I started grabbing some gameplay influencing mods:)

[Scorpio]

3 hours ago, V-Dr said:

This is why I started grabbing some gameplay influencing mods:)

Yes Sims 4 lacks in Drama and Depth and WW is basically just a mechanical Sex mod that adds some Attractiveness buffs 'after the fact' along with some cute notifications here and there.

There are a few other Drama mods and Romance mods but some are too extreme and some are too mild.

Tried quite a few and they weren't quite what I wanted.

I think the problem is the games design limitations doesn't allow much leeway for mod creators to do certain things.

Everyone has a different play style so it isn't always easy to please everyone.

TURBODRIVER continues to add and adjust Attractions features and other better things may be 'in the works'.

 

Yes my setup is a 'bonk fest' but it's intentional only because of my game setup and play style.

I have Cheating disabled globally but only have 4 males in game including my own sim.

One is Married and only bonks his wife but his wife has the Adulterer WW Attribute.

2-3 Married female couples that are all bi-sexual

The other 2 males are harmless from Strangerville.

Oh, there is also a Married male transexual with a vagina and boobs that is Gay #5 male.

Forgot about Bernard the Ghost at Von Haunt Estate #6 male.

 

My sim has the Serial Romantic Aspiration so he needs the Adulterer Trait also.

The backstory is the plague from Strangerville killed off all the males from a genetic mutation and only 4 males were immune.

But they can only produce female babies, (MCCC settings at work)

 

Yes I could have left all the males in game but I didn't like seeing all of them at different locations all the time as I prefer to see females instead.

Male visitors knocking on my door just isn't my thing.

Since I've been playing Sims for years I've done almost all scenarios imaginable tho. 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Scorpio