Infinite Loading Screens

[Nathala]

I recently made the jump to Special Edition after playing Legendary Edition for a few years. On LE, I used a suite of 2k textures, high poly meshes, a handful of heavy scripted mods such as Mortal Weapons and Armors, Deviously Cursed Loot, Hot and Sweaty, and a few more alongside a lot of smaller scripted mods. Apart from the expected CTD every now and then, it was stable enough to play comfortably. Now, in Special Edition, with roughly the same load order, I can't even get through the door. Literally. The only issue keeping me from starting a new playthrough is infinite loading screens. I wouldn't even call them infinite loading screens, since the game goes into "not responding" mode and leaves me on a black screen with the ambient sounds of the interior playing. This either happens after an hour of going in and out of interiors with very few scripted SexLab mods, or instantly with my preferred load order, making this very time consuming and inconsistent to test.

 

All my searches for solutions have told me "the game is running out of memory" and to download SSE Engine Fixes, which I have had installed since the beginning of my SE modding. I've played around in the .toml file, switching some settings from true to false or false to true, but nothing I've tried so far has helped. I've also been told to uncomment the "[Memory]" section in SKSE.ini, which I have, and have the values set to "DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768" and ScrapHeapSizeMB=256." I've also tried setting "DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=1024" but neither value has helped. Can this value go higher? Does it cause instability? My next attempt to fix it was to completely reinstall Skyrim SE from Steam and reinstall my ENB, SSE Engine Fixes (parts 1 and 2), and reconsider everything in my load order. No dice. 

 

I achieved some momentary success after refreshing my .inis with BethINI, allowing me to enter and exit interiors as I pleased for well over an hour and a half. Naively thinking I had solved the problem I installed my preferred load order, configured all my MCM setting, and set off on a new adventure. I ran around the overworld for a bit, found a neat little trap door, and entered hoping for the best. as you can probably tell from the existence of my thread here, I was immediately faced with an infinite loading screen, exactly as I had faced many times before. I'm at my wits end now, and will probably go back to LE if I can't fix this with what I learn from this thread. What appears to be causing the ILSs? Is Skyrim SE running out of memory? How do I give it more memory to play with? Is there something I haven't tried yet? Do I need to configure SSE Fixes differently?

 

You can find some posts I made about this issue on the "Should I switch from oldrim to SE" thread starting here.

 

You'll find my load order below. There are a lot of ESL patches and a handful of merges. If you want to know what is in the merges, let me know. I heard from another user that I have too many patches, but trying playthroughs with none, to some, to all of the patches has not helped. I do have a handful of location altering mods as well, but it does not matter which kinds of interiors I enter, modded or vanilla. Thanks for reading and for any help in advance!

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
FISS.esp
AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl
Remove Mods from System Menu.esl
WhiterunHoldForest.esp
High Poly Head.esm
Heels Sound.esm
SexLab.esm
EFFCore.esm
MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
Landscape and Water Fixes.esp
Cathedral - 3D Mountain Flowers.esp
High Poly NPC Overhaul - Skyrim Special Edition.esp
Unofficial Skyrim SE Fixes.esp
MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
Campfire.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
Skyrim Fixes Collection.esp
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
Resources - The Great Cities.esp
Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl
VarAttre.esl
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
daymoyl.esm
Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm
HentaiPregnancy.esm
DeathExpressions.esl
SkyUI_SE.esp
Skyrim Landscape and Water Fixes - Light Sources.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
TrueStormsSE.esp
Obsidian Weathers.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp
ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
FNIS.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenuSE.esp
halfdragonrace.esp
FNIS_PCEA2.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuHH.esp
VioLens SE.esp
Half Dragon High Poly Head.esp
DeathCamOptions.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Merge - Env 1v3.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp
The Great Cities of JK's Skyrim - Patch.esp
SD Cages.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
Blues Skyrim.esp
JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
ELFX Fixes.esp
S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp
The Great Town of Karthwasten.esp
The Great Town of Shor's Stone.esp
Skyrim Reborn - Whiterun Hold.esp
Treeswinedave.esp
Merge - Gameplay 1v1.esp
EnchantingAwakened.esp
The Great Village of Old Hroldan.esp
MERGE - SL 2v3.esp
SeaPointSettlement.esp
SexLab_Solutions.esp
xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
WindhelmEntranceOverhaul.esp
Elemental Destruction.esp
OCW_ELFX_FEPatch.esp
OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp
The Great Village of Mixwater Mill.esp
Skyrim Reborn - Hjaalmarch Hold.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
SexLab Confabulation.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
SL Survival.esp
Hunterborn.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
CBBE.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
3BBB.esp
HeightSizeFix.esp
SinkOrSwim.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
Point The Way.esp
Merge - Gameplay 2v2.esp
No More Passive Health Regeneration.esp
TERAArmorsSSE.esp
sanguinesDebauchery.esp
AwakenedMagicka.esp
JBMod.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
S3DRocks.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
AOS_ISC_Integration.esp
BetterDynamicSnow_PATCH.esp
SkyTEST-Settings.esp
XPMSE.esp
WhiterunDefenses.esp
fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
TacticalValtheim.esp
Populated Lands Roads Paths Reborn.esp
Foggy Morthal and Swamp.esp
NewArmoury.esp
DawnguardArsenal.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Merge - Armors 1.esp
OCW_BCS_FEPatch.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
BandolierForNPC.esp
Common Clothes and Armors.esp
Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
Populated Cities Towns Villages Reborn.esp
SexLab_Dialogues.esp
Frostfall.esp
Skyrim Reborn Hjaalmarch Hold - CRF Patch.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
OCW_CRF_FEPatch.esp
InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp
Merge - Weapons 1.esp
Morgensterns Mushroom Circles.esp
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim for SSE.esp
Mortal Weapons & Armor.esp
The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp
Merge - Armors 2.esp
SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp
Favor Jobs Overhaul.esp
daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Missives.esp
Deviously Enslaved.esp
Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
SpousesEnhancedSE.esp
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
ICNs_Lite.esp
hunter_camp.esp
SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
A Lot More Idle Marker.esp
Kyne's Grass.esp
Alternative Field Grass.esp
Alternative Tundra Grass.esp
KaliliesBrows.esp
Better Dynamic Snow - Snowy Farmhouses.esp
NoGrassias Extended.esp
Northern Pine Forest Grass.esp
SnowGrassDisableAllNoRocks.esp
aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
TKDodge.esp
Skytest Creature Extension.esp
TaberuAnimation.esp
DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
wizDynamicThings.esp
Foggy Morthal and Swamp - Audio Overhaul Patch.esp
CrossbowsOfSkyrim.esp
hz_NonExploitableCrossbowReload.esp
KSHairdosSMP.esp
NoSpells.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
ImmersiveSpellLearning.esp
ElisifTheFair.esp
FleshFX.esp
StormLightning.esp
Alchemist's Vestments.esp
AlchemistsVestmentsIntegrationClothingCraft.esp
Daring_Gigaduex_Outfit.esp
How Hard Is This Persuasion Check.esp
More Dialogue Options.esp
Lantern Oil Recipes.esp
Economy.esp
Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items.esp
Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_AOS Patch.esp
Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_ISC Patch.esp
Frost Meshes Patch.esp
High Poly NPC Overhaul - Dawn of Skyrim.esp
High Poly NPC Overhaul - JK's Skyrim.esp
Landscape and Water Fixes - Patch - ELFX.esp
Missives - Carriage and Ferry Travel Overhaul Patch.esp
Skyrim Reborn Hjaalmarch Hold - Better Dynamic Snow Patch.esp
SkyTEST Appropriate Aggression.esp
skytest less aggressive slaughterfish.esp
TeraArmorsSSE Leveled Lists Rare.esp
TeraArmorsSSE RARE USSEP Patch.esp
VtawWardrobe4 [SE].esp
Dark Face Bug Fix.esp
Merge - UI 1v1.esp
Merge - Eyes and Makeup.esp
Merge - Hairs.esp
YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp
YOT - Immersive Sounds.esp
YOT - OCW.esp
YOT - Wearable Lanterns.esp
OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp
OCW_ACE_FEPatch.esp
OCW_AO_FEPatch.esp
OCW_BDS_FEPatch.esp
OCW_LightingPatch_Darker.esp
GoToBed-Hunterborn-patch.esp
GoToBed.esp
SleepToGainExperience.esp
CT_FavorJobsChanges.esp
DR Alicia by Team TAL.esp
Quieter Dungeons and Caves.esp
fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp
More Dirt-Snow-Ash on the Roads.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Merge - EBT.esp
AOS_EBT Patch.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
Dynamic Stamina.esp
Racial Body Morphs.esp
[Christine] Altmer Archer.esp
[Christine] Venom Blade Maiden.esp
[SunJeong] Dark Sorceress.esp
[SunJeong] First Summoner Witch.esp
SnowWhiteSE.esp
DawnguardArsenal_WACCF-ACE_Patch.esp
imp_helm_legend_WACCF_Patch.esp
ImprovedClosefacedHelmets_WACCF.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp
Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp
Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
SIC HB patch.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SexLab sslAnimationSlots 2000.esp
SexlabLightMeUp.esp
SexLabTools.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
BadDogSchlongCore.esp
BakaFactoryABC.esp
Devious Devices SE patch.esp
GagSFX.esp
Merge - Bad Dog 1.esp
Merge - Schlongs of Skyrim 1.esp
SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
SLSO.esp
TAWOBA REMASTERED Leveled List.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp
DD Escape Overhaul.esp
FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
SLAdventures.esp
sr_FillHerUp.esp
EstrusChaurus.esp
EstrusSpider.esp
FMEA Skyrim.esp
pchs_loansharks.esp
SexLab Approach.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
SexLab_PaySexCrime.esp
BodySearch.esp
Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells Reborn.esp
DeviouslyHelpless.esp
Spank That Ass.esp
esturk_armbinder2ropes.esp
Arctic - Immersive Sounds Compendium Patch.esp
AudibleNPCDialogues.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Improved Traps Patch.esp
BandolierForNPC - Realistic Enchantements.esp
BandolierForNPC - Alternate Book & Vial Holder.esp
BandolierForNPC - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
BandolierForNPC - Immersive Armors Patch.esp
BandolierForNPC - Less Common.esp
BandolierForNPC - Weapons Armor Clothing Clutter Patch.esp
BDS - MM Patch.esp
S3DRocks - Better Dynamic Snow - Patch.esp
Cathedral_S3D_MountainFlowerOverride.esp
Cathedral_S3D_MountainFlowerOverride_USSEP_Patch.esp
Common Clothes and Armors - ACE Patch.esp
Common Clothes and Armors - CRF Patch.esp
Cutting Room Floor - Herebane Sorenshield Reborn.esp
Cutting Room Floor - NPCs Overhaul.esp
DEST_ISL.esp
DumplingsbyKadraeus.esp
DW.esp
FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
GDOS - Glorious Solitude Door - Rotation Fix.esp
GDOS - Splendid Mechanized Dwemer Door.esp
HD Stone Quarry and Clay Deposits SE.esp
Immersive Patrols - Guards Armor Replacer patch.esp
Qw_BijinAIO_CRF Patch.esp
SexistGuards.esp
Skyrim Reputation Patch.esp
SkyTEST - WeirdChamp Animals Fix.esp
USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
WACCF - CRF Consistency Patch.esp
WACCF - USSEP Arch-Mage Consistency Patch.esp
WACCF and ACE - USSEP Arch-Mage Consistency Patch.esp
WACCF_SneakTools_Patch.esp
Sexlab - Cum Overlays.esp
MLU.esp
ZIA_Complete Pack.esp
MLU - ZIA.esp
ImprovedDaedricArtifacts.esp
OCW_MLU_FEPatch.esp
MLU - CRF.esp
MLU - Improved Closefaced Helmets.esp
MLU - Unique Uniques.esp
MLU_EZupdate.esp
MLU - Animated Armoury Patch.esp
MLU - Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
MLU - InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp
Containers and Leveled Lists Fixes.esp
CLLF - ACE Patch.esp
CLLF - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
MLU - CCOR.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp
Merge - MLU v2.esp
CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp
DawnguardArsenal_CCOR_Patch.esp
Dr_Bandolier_CCOR_Patch.esp
Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory_CCOR_Patch.esp
Unique Uniques_CCOR_Patch.esp
AnimatedArmouryCCOR.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
Merge - RNAD.esp
Taberu Animations CACO Patch.esp
Soljund's Sinkhole.esp
Landscape and Water Fixes - Patch - CACO.esp
Favor Jobs Overhaul - CACO.esp
Merge - Obsidian TS.esp
Hunterborn_CACO-SE_Patch.esp
CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp
CLLF - CACO Patch.esp
CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp
Bathing in Skyrim and Hunterborn - CACO.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - CACO.esp
Common Clothes and Armors - CACO Patch.esp
Qw_CACO_ArsMetallica Patch.esp
Qw_CACO_BookCoversSkyrim Patch.esp
WEHealingPotions Patch - CACO.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Apocalypse - Balance Patch.esp
Merge - Comb and Mag 1.esp
YOT - Ordinator.esp
Ordinator Enchantment Tweaks.esp
YOT - Apocalypse.esp
CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
CCOR_Ordinator.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO Updated.esp
Merge - NPC 1v2.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
CFTO.esp
The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns Falkreath ICAO Patch.esp
CFTO-JK-Patch.esp
CEOWindhelm - ICAIO Patch [ESL].esp
Merge - Patches 1v2.esp
TCIY_CRF_Patch.esp
MERGE - SL 1v3.esp
Cutting Room Floor - Relationship Dialogue Overhaul Patch.esp
Qw_CACO_RDO Patch.esp
The Choice is Yours - WACCF Consistency Patch.esp
ELFX - Hardcore.esp
Merge - Locations 1v3.esp
Merge - Sounds of Skyrim v2.esp
OCW_CellSettings.esp
Alternate Start ELFX Fix.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
RNAD_RWT_Patch.esp
Bathing in Skyrim SE - RWT Watercolor Patch.esp
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
Speed And Reach Fixes.esp
Scarcity SE - Less Loot Mod.esp
Merge - SLAL.esp
Merge - Bottom of Load Order 3.esp
Merge - Bottom of Load Order 4.esp
Scarcity SE - SIC Compatibility Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
ASIS-Dependency.esp
ASIS.esp

 

Total plugin count is 420. Hehehe.

 

loadorder.txt

[mouton18]

Can I see your Xedit after you set the filter to show errors please, just to see how many are affected, infinite loading screen other from a SSD/HHD defect usually go down to some mod using too much juice with scripts or mismatched records in esp.

 

I don't see any papyrus log option, or mod that could enchance it such as Papyrus Extender for SSE or PapyrusUtil SE because they are not esps. 

Also, there is no such thing as the Dark Face bug so the DarkFaceBugFix esp seems like easily avoidable problem. it's just an exemple of poorly stack esp or wrong doing in term of meshes/texture, this esp unless a patch for your own setup, is already something that should be removed.

WIth the papyrus log we could see what's taking much of the script in between loading and in the background. That would help, if you would crash with the FrameWork DMP, we would see culprits, but infinite loadings are harder to catch, but we'll get there.

 

I run a lot of mods and esp, mostly light, and always clearing records to green and patching my own stuff

I would suggest a patch for npc and one for exterior that just forward your every change to it, keeping it below the 4096 records and flagging it esl.

 

 

[Nathala]

17 hours ago, mouton18 said:

Can I see your Xedit after you set the filter to show errors please, just to see how many are affected, infinite loading screen other from a SSD/HHD defect usually go down to some mod using too much juice with scripts or mismatched records in esp.

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I run a lot of mods and esp, mostly light, and always clearing records to green and patching my own stuff

I would suggest a patch for npc and one for exterior that just forward your every change to it, keeping it below the 4096 records and flagging it esl.

 

Thanks for responding! I'm not sure if I applied the filter correctly, if not, let me know and I can redo it correctly. I just hit "apply filter to show conflicts" on all the mods (not the bethesda esms) and I also did a Check for Errors on all the same files. I'll put the results of both in files attached. A lot of mods are showing up as red, which is expected. It's too much for me to make any conclusions with. I do check which records are overwriting others sometimes and will do a little manual patch here or there, but only after I experience a problem in game after testing, since manually patching everything to green would be quite the task. Regarding the SSD/HDD comment, since these ILS were not present in the LE build I was using a few weeks ago I do not think my SSD is going wonky. Other games on it play just fine, as well, like Enderal.

 

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I don't see any papyrus log option, or mod that could enchance it such as Papyrus Extender for SSE or PapyrusUtil SE because they are not esps. 

 

I do have both Papyrus Extender and PapyrusUtil installed since they are required by a handful of other mods I'm using.

 

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Also, there is no such thing as the Dark Face bug so the DarkFaceBugFix esp seems like easily avoidable problem. it's just an exemple of poorly stack esp or wrong doing in term of meshes/texture, this esp unless a patch for your own setup, is already something that should be removed.

 

I was having an issue with dark faces with cutting room floor NPCS, once I dropped the esp to fix it in there, the dark faces went away. I tried looking at the npcs in xEdit that were having the dark face problem but xEdit told me nothing was overwriting or conflicting with them so I wasn't sure what to do. I could take the time to shift esps around and see if I can fix it without the additional esp, but.... eeeehhh... I don't really wanna

 

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WIth the papyrus log we could see what's taking much of the script in between loading and in the background. That would help, if you would crash with the FrameWork DMP, we would see culprits, but infinite loadings are harder to catch, but we'll get there.

 

I've tried using the Papyrus Log to help trim down any script heavy mods, but disabling them only puts off the ILS until later in the game (about an hour, usually), if at all. Since what happens is technically a freeze and not a crash, no crash logs appear in my NetScriptFramework crash logs (if that is what you are referring to). Again, thank you for responding and looking over all this.

 

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check for errors.txt

Papyrus.0.log

[Nathala]

Sorry for the double post, but I just want to boost this thread before I give up completely on SSE.

 

One update I would like to share is that now I am able sometimes able to enter interior cells. When loading into the game, there is a random, small chance that I can play the game normally for a few hours before running into another infinite loading screen. It is inconsistent to the point of randomness, and I am unable to reproduce it with any tricks or series of actions. I was able to run around as I pleased in Riften, but leaving Riften and going to the Lost Prospect Mine, for example, would produce and infinite loading screen sometimes. I would just reload, try and enter, CTRL ALT DEL and kill the game in task manager if it froze, and try again until I got inside. Right now, I cannot enter anything and have become frustrated enough to dig up this old post. Playing the game like that is unsustainable.

 

If this is being caused by a mod/mod issue, I would not know. Playing the game without sexlab mods would not produce an infinite loading screen, but introducing even a few beyond the necessities would. I would experiment with different load orders of sexlab mods to try and weed out a particular mod causing the issue, but I could not solve it with this method, leading me to believe there is something else going on. The nature of the issue keeps me from being able to consistently test it, since infinite loading screens could appear and halt my playthrough completely hours after normal play.

 

I feel like I'm the only one with the issue, as I have not found any old post or such with someone having a similar issue. Again, I was told this is Skyrim running out of memory, which troubles me because my playthroughs on Skyrim LE had similar load orders and did not have this problem, which is why I am tempted to go back.

 

Again, sorry for bringing up my old troubleshooting post, but it will most surely be the last time I do.