Nathala Posted March 4, 2021 Posted March 4, 2021 I recently made the jump to Special Edition after playing Legendary Edition for a few years. On LE, I used a suite of 2k textures, high poly meshes, a handful of heavy scripted mods such as Mortal Weapons and Armors, Deviously Cursed Loot, Hot and Sweaty, and a few more alongside a lot of smaller scripted mods. Apart from the expected CTD every now and then, it was stable enough to play comfortably. Now, in Special Edition, with roughly the same load order, I can't even get through the door. Literally. The only issue keeping me from starting a new playthrough is infinite loading screens. I wouldn't even call them infinite loading screens, since the game goes into "not responding" mode and leaves me on a black screen with the ambient sounds of the interior playing. This either happens after an hour of going in and out of interiors with very few scripted SexLab mods, or instantly with my preferred load order, making this very time consuming and inconsistent to test. All my searches for solutions have told me "the game is running out of memory" and to download SSE Engine Fixes, which I have had installed since the beginning of my SE modding. I've played around in the .toml file, switching some settings from true to false or false to true, but nothing I've tried so far has helped. I've also been told to uncomment the "[Memory]" section in SKSE.ini, which I have, and have the values set to "DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768" and ScrapHeapSizeMB=256." I've also tried setting "DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=1024" but neither value has helped. Can this value go higher? Does it cause instability? My next attempt to fix it was to completely reinstall Skyrim SE from Steam and reinstall my ENB, SSE Engine Fixes (parts 1 and 2), and reconsider everything in my load order. No dice. I achieved some momentary success after refreshing my .inis with BethINI, allowing me to enter and exit interiors as I pleased for well over an hour and a half. Naively thinking I had solved the problem I installed my preferred load order, configured all my MCM setting, and set off on a new adventure. I ran around the overworld for a bit, found a neat little trap door, and entered hoping for the best. as you can probably tell from the existence of my thread here, I was immediately faced with an infinite loading screen, exactly as I had faced many times before. I'm at my wits end now, and will probably go back to LE if I can't fix this with what I learn from this thread. What appears to be causing the ILSs? Is Skyrim SE running out of memory? How do I give it more memory to play with? Is there something I haven't tried yet? Do I need to configure SSE Fixes differently? You can find some posts I made about this issue on the "Should I switch from oldrim to SE" thread starting here. You'll find my load order below. There are a lot of ESL patches and a handful of merges. If you want to know what is in the merges, let me know. I heard from another user that I have too many patches, but trying playthroughs with none, to some, to all of the patches has not helped. I do have a handful of location altering mods as well, but it does not matter which kinds of interiors I enter, modded or vanilla. Thanks for reading and for any help in advance! Spoiler Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp FISS.esp AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl Remove Mods from System Menu.esl WhiterunHoldForest.esp High Poly Head.esm Heels Sound.esm SexLab.esm EFFCore.esm MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm Landscape and Water Fixes.esp Cathedral - 3D Mountain Flowers.esp High Poly NPC Overhaul - Skyrim Special Edition.esp Unofficial Skyrim SE Fixes.esp MajesticMountains_Moss.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm Campfire.esm RaceCompatibility.esm Skyrim Fixes Collection.esp Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm Resources - The Great Cities.esp Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl VarAttre.esl Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm SexLabAroused.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm CreatureFramework.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm daymoyl.esm Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm HentaiPregnancy.esm DeathExpressions.esl SkyUI_SE.esp Skyrim Landscape and Water Fixes - Light Sources.esp Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp TrueStormsSE.esp Obsidian Weathers.esp SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp FNIS.esp UIExtensions.esp AddItemMenuSE.esp halfdragonrace.esp FNIS_PCEA2.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp RaceMenuHH.esp VioLens SE.esp Half Dragon High Poly Head.esp DeathCamOptions.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Merge - Env 1v3.esp Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp JKs Skyrim.esp The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp The Great Cities of JK's Skyrim - Patch.esp SD Cages.esp Book Covers Skyrim.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp Blues Skyrim.esp JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp ELFX Fixes.esp S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp The Great Town of Karthwasten.esp The Great Town of Shor's Stone.esp Skyrim Reborn - Whiterun Hold.esp Treeswinedave.esp Merge - Gameplay 1v1.esp EnchantingAwakened.esp The Great Village of Old Hroldan.esp MERGE - SL 2v3.esp SeaPointSettlement.esp SexLab_Solutions.esp xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp WindhelmEntranceOverhaul.esp Elemental Destruction.esp OCW_ELFX_FEPatch.esp OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp The Great Village of Mixwater Mill.esp Skyrim Reborn - Hjaalmarch Hold.esp SimplyKnock.esp SexLab Confabulation.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp SL Survival.esp Hunterborn.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp CBBE.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 3BBB.esp HeightSizeFix.esp SinkOrSwim.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Lore Weapon Expansion.esp Point The Way.esp Merge - Gameplay 2v2.esp No More Passive Health Regeneration.esp TERAArmorsSSE.esp sanguinesDebauchery.esp AwakenedMagicka.esp JBMod.esp Better Dynamic Snow.esp S3DRocks.esp MajesticMountains.esp PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp MoreNastyCritters.esp AOS_ISC_Integration.esp BetterDynamicSnow_PATCH.esp SkyTEST-Settings.esp XPMSE.esp WhiterunDefenses.esp fallentreebridgesSSE.esp Deviously Cursed Loot.esp TacticalValtheim.esp Populated Lands Roads Paths Reborn.esp Foggy Morthal and Swamp.esp NewArmoury.esp DawnguardArsenal.esp Ars Metallica.esp Bijin AIO.esp Merge - Armors 1.esp OCW_BCS_FEPatch.esp Dr_Bandolier.esp BandolierForNPC.esp Common Clothes and Armors.esp Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp Populated Cities Towns Villages Reborn.esp SexLab_Dialogues.esp Frostfall.esp Skyrim Reborn Hjaalmarch Hold - CRF Patch.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp OCW_CRF_FEPatch.esp InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp Merge - Weapons 1.esp Morgensterns Mushroom Circles.esp Drinking Fountains of Skyrim for SSE.esp Mortal Weapons & Armor.esp The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp Merge - Armors 2.esp SkyrimReputation_SSE.esp Favor Jobs Overhaul.esp daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp Sneak Tools.esp Missives.esp Deviously Enslaved.esp Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp SpousesEnhancedSE.esp MF_RadiantProstitution.esp ICNs_Lite.esp hunter_camp.esp SexLab Eager NPCs.esp A Lot More Idle Marker.esp Kyne's Grass.esp Alternative Field Grass.esp Alternative Tundra Grass.esp KaliliesBrows.esp Better Dynamic Snow - Snowy Farmhouses.esp NoGrassias Extended.esp Northern Pine Forest Grass.esp SnowGrassDisableAllNoRocks.esp aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp TKDodge.esp Skytest Creature Extension.esp TaberuAnimation.esp DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp DeadlySpellImpacts.esp wizDynamicThings.esp Foggy Morthal and Swamp - Audio Overhaul Patch.esp CrossbowsOfSkyrim.esp hz_NonExploitableCrossbowReload.esp KSHairdosSMP.esp NoSpells.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp ImmersiveSpellLearning.esp ElisifTheFair.esp FleshFX.esp StormLightning.esp Alchemist's Vestments.esp AlchemistsVestmentsIntegrationClothingCraft.esp Daring_Gigaduex_Outfit.esp How Hard Is This Persuasion Check.esp More Dialogue Options.esp Lantern Oil Recipes.esp Economy.esp Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items.esp Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_AOS Patch.esp Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_ISC Patch.esp Frost Meshes Patch.esp High Poly NPC Overhaul - Dawn of Skyrim.esp High Poly NPC Overhaul - JK's Skyrim.esp Landscape and Water Fixes - Patch - ELFX.esp Missives - Carriage and Ferry Travel Overhaul Patch.esp Skyrim Reborn Hjaalmarch Hold - Better Dynamic Snow Patch.esp SkyTEST Appropriate Aggression.esp skytest less aggressive slaughterfish.esp TeraArmorsSSE Leveled Lists Rare.esp TeraArmorsSSE RARE USSEP Patch.esp VtawWardrobe4 [SE].esp Dark Face Bug Fix.esp Merge - UI 1v1.esp Merge - Eyes and Makeup.esp Merge - Hairs.esp YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp YOT - Immersive Sounds.esp YOT - OCW.esp YOT - Wearable Lanterns.esp OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp OCW_ACE_FEPatch.esp OCW_AO_FEPatch.esp OCW_BDS_FEPatch.esp OCW_LightingPatch_Darker.esp GoToBed-Hunterborn-patch.esp GoToBed.esp SleepToGainExperience.esp CT_FavorJobsChanges.esp DR Alicia by Team TAL.esp Quieter Dungeons and Caves.esp fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp More Dirt-Snow-Ash on the Roads.esp BlendedRoads.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Merge - EBT.esp AOS_EBT Patch.esp imp_helm_legend.esp Dynamic Stamina.esp Racial Body Morphs.esp [Christine] Altmer Archer.esp [Christine] Venom Blade Maiden.esp [SunJeong] Dark Sorceress.esp [SunJeong] First Summoner Witch.esp SnowWhiteSE.esp DawnguardArsenal_WACCF-ACE_Patch.esp imp_helm_legend_WACCF_Patch.esp ImprovedClosefacedHelmets_WACCF.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp Unique Uniques.esp Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp SIC HB patch.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SexLab sslAnimationSlots 2000.esp SexlabLightMeUp.esp SexLabTools.esp SLAnimLoader.esp BadDogSchlongCore.esp BakaFactoryABC.esp Devious Devices SE patch.esp GagSFX.esp Merge - Bad Dog 1.esp Merge - Schlongs of Skyrim 1.esp SexLab Inflation Framework.esp SLSO.esp TAWOBA REMASTERED Leveled List.esp Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp DD Escape Overhaul.esp FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp SexLabDefeat.esp SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp SLAdventures.esp sr_FillHerUp.esp EstrusChaurus.esp EstrusSpider.esp FMEA Skyrim.esp pchs_loansharks.esp SexLab Approach.esp SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp SexLab_PaySexCrime.esp BodySearch.esp Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells Reborn.esp DeviouslyHelpless.esp Spank That Ass.esp esturk_armbinder2ropes.esp Arctic - Immersive Sounds Compendium Patch.esp AudibleNPCDialogues.esp Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Improved Traps Patch.esp BandolierForNPC - Realistic Enchantements.esp BandolierForNPC - Alternate Book & Vial Holder.esp BandolierForNPC - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp BandolierForNPC - Immersive Armors Patch.esp BandolierForNPC - Less Common.esp BandolierForNPC - Weapons Armor Clothing Clutter Patch.esp BDS - MM Patch.esp S3DRocks - Better Dynamic Snow - Patch.esp Cathedral_S3D_MountainFlowerOverride.esp Cathedral_S3D_MountainFlowerOverride_USSEP_Patch.esp Common Clothes and Armors - ACE Patch.esp Common Clothes and Armors - CRF Patch.esp Cutting Room Floor - Herebane Sorenshield Reborn.esp Cutting Room Floor - NPCs Overhaul.esp DEST_ISL.esp DumplingsbyKadraeus.esp DW.esp FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp GDOS - Glorious Solitude Door - Rotation Fix.esp GDOS - Splendid Mechanized Dwemer Door.esp HD Stone Quarry and Clay Deposits SE.esp Immersive Patrols - Guards Armor Replacer patch.esp Qw_BijinAIO_CRF Patch.esp SexistGuards.esp Skyrim Reputation Patch.esp SkyTEST - WeirdChamp Animals Fix.esp USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp WACCF - CRF Consistency Patch.esp WACCF - USSEP Arch-Mage Consistency Patch.esp WACCF and ACE - USSEP Arch-Mage Consistency Patch.esp WACCF_SneakTools_Patch.esp Sexlab - Cum Overlays.esp MLU.esp ZIA_Complete Pack.esp MLU - ZIA.esp ImprovedDaedricArtifacts.esp OCW_MLU_FEPatch.esp MLU - CRF.esp MLU - Improved Closefaced Helmets.esp MLU - Unique Uniques.esp MLU_EZupdate.esp MLU - Animated Armoury Patch.esp MLU - Lore Weapon Expansion.esp MLU - InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp Containers and Leveled Lists Fixes.esp CLLF - ACE Patch.esp CLLF - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp MLU - CCOR.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp Merge - MLU v2.esp CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp DawnguardArsenal_CCOR_Patch.esp Dr_Bandolier_CCOR_Patch.esp Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp PrvtI_HeavyArmory_CCOR_Patch.esp Unique Uniques_CCOR_Patch.esp AnimatedArmouryCCOR.esp Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp Merge - RNAD.esp Taberu Animations CACO Patch.esp Soljund's Sinkhole.esp Landscape and Water Fixes - Patch - CACO.esp Favor Jobs Overhaul - CACO.esp Merge - Obsidian TS.esp Hunterborn_CACO-SE_Patch.esp CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp CLLF - CACO Patch.esp CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp Bathing in Skyrim and Hunterborn - CACO.esp Bathing in Skyrim - CACO.esp Common Clothes and Armors - CACO Patch.esp Qw_CACO_ArsMetallica Patch.esp Qw_CACO_BookCoversSkyrim Patch.esp WEHealingPotions Patch - CACO.esp Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp Apocalypse - Balance Patch.esp Merge - Comb and Mag 1.esp YOT - Ordinator.esp Ordinator Enchantment Tweaks.esp YOT - Apocalypse.esp CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp CCOR_Ordinator.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp RDO Updated.esp Merge - NPC 1v2.esp TheChoiceIsYours.esp CFTO.esp The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns Falkreath ICAO Patch.esp CFTO-JK-Patch.esp CEOWindhelm - ICAIO Patch [ESL].esp Merge - Patches 1v2.esp TCIY_CRF_Patch.esp MERGE - SL 1v3.esp Cutting Room Floor - Relationship Dialogue Overhaul Patch.esp Qw_CACO_RDO Patch.esp The Choice is Yours - WACCF Consistency Patch.esp ELFX - Hardcore.esp Merge - Locations 1v3.esp Merge - Sounds of Skyrim v2.esp OCW_CellSettings.esp Alternate Start ELFX Fix.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp RNAD_RWT_Patch.esp Bathing in Skyrim SE - RWT Watercolor Patch.esp PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp Speed And Reach Fixes.esp Scarcity SE - Less Loot Mod.esp Merge - SLAL.esp Merge - Bottom of Load Order 3.esp Merge - Bottom of Load Order 4.esp Scarcity SE - SIC Compatibility Patch.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp ASIS-Dependency.esp ASIS.esp Total plugin count is 420. Hehehe. loadorder.txt
mouton18 Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 Can I see your Xedit after you set the filter to show errors please, just to see how many are affected, infinite loading screen other from a SSD/HHD defect usually go down to some mod using too much juice with scripts or mismatched records in esp. I don't see any papyrus log option, or mod that could enchance it such as Papyrus Extender for SSE or PapyrusUtil SE because they are not esps. Also, there is no such thing as the Dark Face bug so the DarkFaceBugFix esp seems like easily avoidable problem. it's just an exemple of poorly stack esp or wrong doing in term of meshes/texture, this esp unless a patch for your own setup, is already something that should be removed. WIth the papyrus log we could see what's taking much of the script in between loading and in the background. That would help, if you would crash with the FrameWork DMP, we would see culprits, but infinite loadings are harder to catch, but we'll get there. I run a lot of mods and esp, mostly light, and always clearing records to green and patching my own stuff I would suggest a patch for npc and one for exterior that just forward your every change to it, keeping it below the 4096 records and flagging it esl.
Nathala Posted March 6, 2021 Author Posted March 6, 2021 17 hours ago, mouton18 said: Can I see your Xedit after you set the filter to show errors please, just to see how many are affected, infinite loading screen other from a SSD/HHD defect usually go down to some mod using too much juice with scripts or mismatched records in esp. ... I run a lot of mods and esp, mostly light, and always clearing records to green and patching my own stuff I would suggest a patch for npc and one for exterior that just forward your every change to it, keeping it below the 4096 records and flagging it esl. Thanks for responding! I'm not sure if I applied the filter correctly, if not, let me know and I can redo it correctly. I just hit "apply filter to show conflicts" on all the mods (not the bethesda esms) and I also did a Check for Errors on all the same files. I'll put the results of both in files attached. A lot of mods are showing up as red, which is expected. It's too much for me to make any conclusions with. I do check which records are overwriting others sometimes and will do a little manual patch here or there, but only after I experience a problem in game after testing, since manually patching everything to green would be quite the task. Regarding the SSD/HDD comment, since these ILS were not present in the LE build I was using a few weeks ago I do not think my SSD is going wonky. Other games on it play just fine, as well, like Enderal. Quote I don't see any papyrus log option, or mod that could enchance it such as Papyrus Extender for SSE or PapyrusUtil SE because they are not esps. I do have both Papyrus Extender and PapyrusUtil installed since they are required by a handful of other mods I'm using. Quote Also, there is no such thing as the Dark Face bug so the DarkFaceBugFix esp seems like easily avoidable problem. it's just an exemple of poorly stack esp or wrong doing in term of meshes/texture, this esp unless a patch for your own setup, is already something that should be removed. I was having an issue with dark faces with cutting room floor NPCS, once I dropped the esp to fix it in there, the dark faces went away. I tried looking at the npcs in xEdit that were having the dark face problem but xEdit told me nothing was overwriting or conflicting with them so I wasn't sure what to do. I could take the time to shift esps around and see if I can fix it without the additional esp, but.... eeeehhh... I don't really wanna Quote WIth the papyrus log we could see what's taking much of the script in between loading and in the background. That would help, if you would crash with the FrameWork DMP, we would see culprits, but infinite loadings are harder to catch, but we'll get there. I've tried using the Papyrus Log to help trim down any script heavy mods, but disabling them only puts off the ILS until later in the game (about an hour, usually), if at all. Since what happens is technically a freeze and not a crash, no crash logs appear in my NetScriptFramework crash logs (if that is what you are referring to). Again, thank you for responding and looking over all this. Spoiler check for errors.txt Papyrus.0.log
Nathala Posted March 19, 2021 Author Posted March 19, 2021 Sorry for the double post, but I just want to boost this thread before I give up completely on SSE. One update I would like to share is that now I am able sometimes able to enter interior cells. When loading into the game, there is a random, small chance that I can play the game normally for a few hours before running into another infinite loading screen. It is inconsistent to the point of randomness, and I am unable to reproduce it with any tricks or series of actions. I was able to run around as I pleased in Riften, but leaving Riften and going to the Lost Prospect Mine, for example, would produce and infinite loading screen sometimes. I would just reload, try and enter, CTRL ALT DEL and kill the game in task manager if it froze, and try again until I got inside. Right now, I cannot enter anything and have become frustrated enough to dig up this old post. Playing the game like that is unsustainable. If this is being caused by a mod/mod issue, I would not know. Playing the game without sexlab mods would not produce an infinite loading screen, but introducing even a few beyond the necessities would. I would experiment with different load orders of sexlab mods to try and weed out a particular mod causing the issue, but I could not solve it with this method, leading me to believe there is something else going on. The nature of the issue keeps me from being able to consistently test it, since infinite loading screens could appear and halt my playthrough completely hours after normal play. I feel like I'm the only one with the issue, as I have not found any old post or such with someone having a similar issue. Again, I was told this is Skyrim running out of memory, which troubles me because my playthroughs on Skyrim LE had similar load orders and did not have this problem, which is why I am tempted to go back. Again, sorry for bringing up my old troubleshooting post, but it will most surely be the last time I do.
.thumb.jpg.87043043e2c18d5afacfa68f54330350.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.