NPC's Frozen in Battle. Path-grid Issue?

[Duchess_Gummybuns]

I have a strange glitch. My NPC's path-grids seem to "DISAPPEAR" every time I enter a battle. As in all AI objects twitch in place &, when "Close" enough, will vainly swing at one another. I recently downloaded Break Undies armors, but deactivating these has no effect on the characters glitchs. Vilja, my girl, works perfectly fine while exploring but once an enemy spots me, both she & all near by creatures stop moving. I first noticed this in an oblivion gate after leaving the testinghall to nab some modded armor (BU Compilation pack by gregathit.) I just reinstalled everything. No love.

All up to date: I have the latest official patch, I use OBMM, NMM, and, recently, Wrye Bash. (I have not Bashed anything, so if someone could also give me tips on what could benefit from a Bashing, please speak up. (The lovers mods are in correct order. No problem there, I erased their plugin names for the more conservative forums I've posted on.)
 
load order

GameMode=Oblivion

Oblivion.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
Lovers
Lovers
TantrivayliaChimer.esm
BreakUndies.esm
CM Partners.esm
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Oblivion Vwalk.esp
Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Files 4.esp
Francesco's Optional Files 1.esp
Francesco's Optional Files 2.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS.esp
DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk.esp
ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Lush & Gaudy Water.esp
Lush & Gaudy SI Water.esp
Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp
Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50 Vwalk.esp
Beautiful_Women_Vampires.esp
Beautiful_Women_Vampires Vwalk.esp
Beautiful_Women_SI.esp
Beautiful_Women_SI Vwalk.esp
Beautiful_Women_NotSoNice_Bonus.esp
Beautiful_Women_NotSoNice_Bonus Vwalk.esp
Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp
Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly Vwalk.esp
Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp
Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon Vwalk.esp
Handsome_Gents_Vampires.esp
Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp
Handsome_Gents_SI.esp
Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp
Better Looking NPC.esp
Better Dungeons.esp
RedBag - Dangerous Animals.esp
RedBag - Friendly Animals.esp
Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
Capucines Character Expansion.esp
Cazy Hairs.esp
Cool Hair & Eyelashes.esp
EyelashesForVanillaRaces1.0.esp
No psychic guards v1.2.esp
No psychic guards harder v1.2.esp
SMYB Love Full.esp
ROADZeldaRemake.esp
VA_BetterGold.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp
SuccubusRace.esp
Moonshadoweyes.esp
Nude Humanlike Spriggan HGEC B.esp
Elytramount.esp
BBBRoseoftheGuard.esp
Kafei's Circlets Reforged.esp
Ryk_SorceressArmor.esp
SDHeartbreaker.esp
SylvanArmor.esp
Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp
minibloomers_recolor.esp
Peasant_Gowns_HGEC.esp
ZealotF.esp
adTreeHome.esp
ShiveringTreehouses.esp
Dangerous Waters.esp
DJS_Ride_Wild_Horses.esp
Septim Mansion.esp
Tantrivaylia.esp
Tantrivaylia Vwalk.esp
PTMudwater.esp
Elegance_HGEC.esp
Tiamat the Firedrake.esp
Shivering Isles Root System.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp
Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion Vwalk.esp
lights for bliss.esp
lights for crucible.esp
palace lights.esp
ReneersNotesMod.esp
Immersive Interiors.esp
Immersive Interiors - Landscape Addon.esp
AW_Wings.esp
equipablestuff.esp
equipablestufftail.esp
ANBWearableEars.esp
Bandit Hideouts.esp
Personal Portable Paradise.esp
AnavirsPool.esp
Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
MagicContainer_StandAlone.esp
Cliff_BetterLetters.esp
Lynges Unlimited Death Reload Time.esp
Purge Cell Buffers - Cell Change.esp
Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp
More Female Servants.esp
Demoness.esp
YamsMazken.esp
n_Dywyll_Elves.esp
0ssan_auriga UI Behavior Mod.esp
ChaseCameraMod.esp
AncientGuardianRobe.esp
BlackLuster.esp
Silverlight Armor Addon by Xcytress.esp
Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
MSE Hairs And Eyes 03.esp
Skingrad_OpenRoad.esp
1em_Vilja.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.esp
CallMountStableMaster.esp
Retma Dresses.esp
CL_Chillrend_Replacer.esp
CL_Chillrend_Replacer_NoLvL.esp
CL_Chillrend_Replacer_NoLvL_realWeight.esp
Elisyum.esp
OHs&blight2.esp
Sophitia_BKS.esp
BIE.esp
CM Partners.esp
CM Partners Vwalk.esp
CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.esp
CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp
CM Partners More NPCs NE Vwalk.esp
CM Partners NPC NE.esp
CM Partners NPC.esp
CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp
Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp
Legend of Zelda Equipment (placed).esp
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
Lovers
zBUArmors.esp
 

 

 

[gregathit]

I think you need to double check some of readme.txt files to make sure you really can use things like the below together:

RedBag - Dangerous Animals.esp
RedBag - Friendly Animals.esp

and

Handsome_Gents_Vampires.esp
Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp

and

equipablestuff.esp
equipablestufftail.esp

and

CL_Chillrend_Replacer.esp
CL_Chillrend_Replacer_NoLvL.esp
CL_Chillrend_Replacer_NoLvL_realWeight.esp

and

No psychic guards v1.2.esp
No psychic guards harder v1.2.esp

and

DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS.esp
DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk.esp

Getting the idea?  Some of these "may" be usable with others but many I think you were supposed to choose one or the other.

 

I also STRONGLY recommend you learn how to make a bashed patch.  None of the vwalk stuff should be enabled but rather merged into a bashed patch.  While it won't kill you to have them enabled, it does help stabilize things when you do have one.

 

I also recommend you dump CM Partners.esp and use a combo of MCS (mad companionship spells) and From2chanlives (which adds upwards of 200+ NPC's wandering around that you can partner up with if you choose).  Of course this would require that you install both MBP and MBP++ (which means using a bashed patch).

 

Another item I recommend is dumping things like:

Purge Cell Buffers - Cell Change.esp
Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp

and instead installing Streamline 3.1 and OSR (oblivion stutter remover).

 

Normally "addons" should be under what they are adding on to:

Silverlight Armor Addon by Xcytress.esp
Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp

Check what the readme.txt has to say about load order (if anything).

 

Finally, you should look into using Tes4gecko to combine your armor\clothing mods and perhaps even these:

Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.esp
Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.esp

Seems silly to have horse mods taking up 6 esp slots.  I am guessing you could combine these into one.

 

[Duchess_Gummybuns]

Yeah. That makes sense. I haven't had to deal with large amounts of mods before. Though I feel a little blind sighted about your first point. The read me's never specified picking one or the other, though I may have figured out to use only one before I reinstalled & just don't recall. Thank you for the help.

EDIT: Fixed redundant .esps & things. Worked with Wrye Bash. (Not much
luck there, but I highly doubt it's conflicting with my game. It's too
recent a problem.) It's unrelenting. No good news.

EDIT: I've been continually digging around with this glitch. I have made no
progress what so ever. Could it be caused by use of the console? I'm
getting quite desperate, it's not an enjoyable experience when your
enemies wait for you to kill them...

[gregathit]

Console usage in and of itself won't hurt anything.  HOWEVER certain console commands can indeed break things.

 

[Duchess_Gummybuns]

Say, toggling object collision?

 

[gregathit]

If you are toggling it on anything other than the PC then yes, it is possible.

[Duchess_Gummybuns]

Never used referencing when I used the command TCL. It doesn't effect anything when it has a target, even if it's me.

[gregathit]

Wrong.  Targeting anything removes its collision.  When you use it, you need to hit the console and click a few places if necessary, to make SURE nothing is targeted, THEN use the TCL command and it will only then effect the PC (enabling them to move through walls, floors and even fly).

 

I wonder if you didn't accidentally type tai (toggle ai) which if there was no target it would shut off all close NPC's ai's.

[Poontank]

But an un-targeted use of TAI isn't stored in the savegame, it will be reset upon quitting and relaunching the game. A targeted TAI however is being saved.

Actors with their AI switched off will be frozen in place upon loading the game, sometimes causing weirdness.

 

I don't think this glitch is actually a pathgridding problem at all but rather some kind of conflict which is messing up the combat AI. Since I have no experience with all those fancy Francesco mods and other stuff you have installed, I can't say much about their conflict potential. Nevertheless one (or more) mod(s) in your load order seem to override the game's combat AI and seem to prevent proper execution of combat routines. Fighting actors 'vainly swinging at each other' without causing damage is a surefire symptom for deactivated AI.

 

The only real way to find out the culprit would be to switch off plugins one by one and test if the problem persists, at least the ones which deal with combat (meaning you can omit equipment and beautification mods and such).

 

It's also recommended to get the unofficial patches for Oblivion and SI. You can drop the 'KT Custom Race Fix' then because the 'Unofficial Oblivion Patch' contains this fix as well, together with many other helpful fixes.

[Duchess_Gummybuns]

Informative. Thank you. I'll give it another try.

                                   So sad... I should've just left my game as perfect as it was. :"(