CTDing during game play, Cannot figure out what its caused by. ._.; Also, another question...

[ArieWasTaken]

Alright, formalities out of the way first... 

 

Active Mod Files:

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32  Brows.esp
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34  KS Hairdo's.esp
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44  Neithteam Warpaint.esp
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77  Cassandra Frost Witch.esp
78  Gwelda Red Riding Hood.esp
79  Gwelda Dawnguard Armor.esp
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92  PeroPeroArmorPack.esp
93  Dalight.esp
94  Dual Sheath Redux.esp
95  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 3.1.5a]
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I'm using the latest versions of SKSE, and XPMSE, but FNIS is outdated. I use 6.2, not 6.3. I also use the most up to date version of Bodyslide for CBBE, as well as Dual Sheathe redux. 

 

Now, I'm not sure where I went wrong, but in trying to trouble shoot my issue, I've removed several, and I mean SEVERAL mods, all being ineffectual in fixing the issue. The ones I hadn't removed were ones that didn't give any issues in previous playthroughs (such as one that basically had 100 hours.) but for some reason, my recent playthroughs have just been crashing, and I just can't pinpoint a cause. At one point I was CTDing in the loading screen, but Crash fixes solved why for m, and I just reinstalled XPMSE and reran FNIS. After that however, the crashes kept coming, and once again, I was stuck CTDing in the loading screen(It was always right at the end when you think you're about to load into the save.) I turned off my ENB, that worked for a while, then I started crashing in the loading screen again. So I ran vcredist, dotfx and directx from the skyrim directory.

 

Finally, no more crashing in the loading screen! But as my playthrough of the College of Winterhood story went on, I just kept CTDing throughout dungeons, throughout the open world, and throughout the college! One thing I've noticed is that I never CTD unless anything BUT a female is in the cell. So, I tried reinstalling SoS, and this time, having it overwrite XPMSE. Nothing really changed. I was still CTDing, and when I tried staying in a cell by myself with no one else there, everything was fine. However, I should add I hadn't stayed in the cell for long. I'm honestly still not sure what could be the cause of these CTDs, or even if I'm on the right track.

 

I can't use LOOT anymore due to RDO, (it throws everything all over the place with no sense of direction) so all I can really use is xEdit, which also didn't show any really bad conflicts. It only showed conflicts that didn't cause crashes in the 100+ hour playthrough I had. I would try using LOOT if it wren't for the fact that my load order was precisely the same at the time of the 100+ hour playthrough that it is now, with a few additions. These additions however, were in another playthrough which was well over 10 hours. And that one never had a single crash, barring when I set Bijin AiO lower than Immersive weapons in my load order. Which is the other question. What is it about Immersive weapons that defaults Bijin AiO's settings? Why does it do that? More importantly, why does it need to? If anyone can answer any or all of my questions, I'd appreciate it a lot. I just want to be able to play the game like I did the first time around. That was pure heaven. :/ If more information is needed, I'll post it up as fast as possible. Thank you.

 

Papyrus.0.rar

[RomeoZero]

If only character is involved on CTD,mainly its due to a wrong properties in a nif file.Sometime it is a Skin Instance data -  where some skinned bones on the body mesh are not present on the skeleton_female.

If a mesh in Nifskope have a VertexColors property "Yes" [ of NiTriShapeData ] ,then in Shader Flags 2 [ of BSLightingShaderProperty ] it  need to be switched on also. Basically - new objects, must copy vanilla shaders for actors\armors\clutter etc.

I noticed that mod authors ignore such a basic rule.(some bodyslide meshes have same wrong data when created)

That is why some installed mods have CTD on startup or loading esp files on saves,a human error factor 

Disable new mods you recently downloaded to data folder,then check them\body meshes properties in Nifskope,then bone names that they have.    

[ArieWasTaken]

Oh my gosh I actually love you. I was on the right track then! I think I know where to start up again, but sadly, I keep my armor mods in order from oldest to newest in descending order. (I do this for every section of my load order unless there's a conflict.) I guess this means either Dalight, or the PeroPeroArmor Pack might be going bye bye. :L Thank you so much though, I was gonna be upset if I had to do a fourth fresh install. ._.

 

EDIT: WAIT! I just remembered! I used zzjay's wardrobe with a Bodyslide conversion that required resourcesfrom HDT body 1.4... Is it possible that that might alos have residual effects as well? I did rebuild a few things in bodyslide prior to uninstalling it. I tried rebuilding everything again after those resources were uninstalled, but I don't know if I actually got everything.

[ArieWasTaken]

If only character is involved on CTD,mainly its due to a wrong properties in a nif file.Sometime it is a Skin Instance data -  where some skinned bones on the body mesh are not present on the skeleton_female.

If a mesh in Nifskope have a VertexColors property "Yes" [ of NiTriShapeData ] ,then in Shader Flags 2 [ of BSLightingShaderProperty ] it  need to be switched on also. Basically - new objects, must copy vanilla shaders for actors\armors\clutter etc.

I noticed that mod authors ignore such a basic rule.(some bodyslide meshes have same wrong data when created)

That is why some installed mods have CTD on startup or loading esp files on saves,a human error factor 

Disable new mods you recently downloaded to data folder,then check them\body meshes properties in Nifskope,then bone names that they have.    

 

Sorry, I just wante to get your attention again. My playthroughs lasted longer after getting rid of the the culprit mod, but I'm still crashing, and I was wondering. Why would NMM have more active than installed mods? I have absolutely no mods from steam, and none installed manually. >.>;

[RomeoZero]

Its hard to know the full issue you got.

As i wrote before,if its a character - research skeleton and nude body mesh ( Install latest xpmse,see VertexColors on\off on body), If its a downloaded mod (even BSA archive) like armor, in it can also be a switched vertexcolors shader on with its off param (CDT on load,in game instantly).It is a one by one step to find the issue.

Bodyslide have its own female skeletons in "res" folder,u must update them also.   

 

 

[ArieWasTaken]

Its hard to know the full issue you got.

As i wrote before,if its a character - research skeleton and nude body mesh ( Install latest xpmse,see VertexColors on\off on body), If its a downloaded mod (even BSA archive) like armor, in it can also be a switched vertexcolors shader on with its off param (CDT on load,in game instantly).It is a one by one step to find the issue.

Bodyslide have its own female skeletons in "res" folder,u must update them also.   

Guess I'll update my bodyslide stuffs then. I haven't done that yet. I still wanna figure out why It shows 288 active mods and 286 installed mods though.. I'll be back with results tomorrow.

[ArieWasTaken]

Okay, so, both things have been done, but no dice. I guess those mods weren't the issue... Awkward. I guess now that just leaves the blaringly obvious 288/286 problem. Sadly, I don't think I can post my NMM mods (and I don't mean just plugins.) So I guess I'm on my own from here on out. I do remember somethings trying to install but NMM crashing mid process. I just can't remember what.. Oh well. Thanks for your help. Even if this wasn't an issue, I'm a heck of a lot more weary of mods now.

[Arcturus7777]

Its hard to know the full issue you got.

As i wrote before,if its a character - research skeleton and nude body mesh ( Install latest xpmse,see VertexColors on\off on body), If its a downloaded mod (even BSA archive) like armor, in it can also be a switched vertexcolors shader on with its off param (CDT on load,in game instantly).It is a one by one step to find the issue.

Bodyslide have its own female skeletons in "res" folder,u must update them also.   

 

 

I am having s similar problem.  would presets in racemenu that install warpaints on the character, cause crashes.  I started a playthru with poison ivy, but one of the requirements for face paint would not load so I left it out.  it shows in race menu, but of course does not show on her face.

[RomeoZero]

 

 

I am having s similar problem.  would presets in racemenu that install warpaints on the character, cause crashes.  I started a playthru with poison ivy, but one of the requirements for face paint would not load so I left it out.  it shows in race menu, but of course does not show on her face.

 

Dont know about it,if its a simple texture overlay it should not conflict.

Everything that have a mesh with BSshader in it - is the first source to check for fixing damn CTD if a new mod installed .Then skeleton > mod order > skse plugins > memory restriction and so on.

Authors don't like to make simple and easy BSA plugins in CK ( that can be disabled to test if its the cause) thus u got game errors and CTD stuff with unknown complicated tools.

[Arcturus7777]

 

 

 

I am having s similar problem.  would presets in racemenu that install warpaints on the character, cause crashes.  I started a playthru with poison ivy, but one of the requirements for face paint would not load so I left it out.  it shows in race menu, but of course does not show on her face.

 

Dont know about it,if its a simple texture overlay it should not conflict.

Everything that have a mesh with BSshader in it - is the first source to check for fixing damn CTD if a new mod installed .Then skeleton > mod order > skse plugins > memory restriction and so on.

Authors don't like to make simple and easy BSA plugins in CK ( that can be disabled to test if its the cause) thus u got game errors and CTD stuff with unknown complicated tools.

 

 

You may be correct, I found out the main problem, and it was my fault. Deviously cursed loot is only for female mains, I ignored this as I believed it to mean the devious and stuff would look bad on a male and the quests were not written for a male, and I was playing a Futa play thru.  I was incorrect, all my fault.  you can not play male or futa with this mod active. period.

 

I am sorry if I sorta hijacked this question. I did not see the mod causing me the trouble in your load order.

 

Anyway thank you for the question, and thank you romerozero for the info.