ArieWasTaken Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Alright, formalities out of the way first... Active Mod Files: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp [Version 3.0.6] 06 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 07 ApachiiHair.esm 08 SGHairPackBase.esm 09 hdtHighHeel.esm 0A EFFCore.esm 0B OSA.esm 0C HighResTexturePack01.esp 0D HighResTexturePack02.esp 0E HighResTexturePack03.esp 0F Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp [Version 1.2.0] 10 SkyUI.esp 11 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 12 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp 13 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 14 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp 15 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp 16 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 17 SFO - Dragonborn.esp 18 Immersive Wenches.esp 19 Deadly Wenches.esp 1A Dead Body Collision.esp 1B LostGrimoire.esp 1C Facelight.esp 1D Animated Dragon Wings.esp 1E BijinAIO-2016_3.1.1_SV.esp 1F Immersive Weapons.esp 20 Males of Skyrim.esp 21 YuiH's Screenshot Models - Freyane.esp 22 RosaFollower.esp 23 Bee_V.esp 24 YurianaWench.esp 25 EFFDialogue.esp 26 Real Roads.esp 27 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 28 Purewaters.esp 29 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 2A EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp 2B SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp 2C No_stretching.esp 2D FNIS.esp 2E FNIS_PCEA2.esp 2F RaceMenu.esp 30 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 31 Beards.esp 32 Brows.esp 33 Eyes of Aber.esp 34 KS Hairdo's.esp 35 Lieyes_v1.0.esp 36 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp [Version 9] 37 TrueEyes.esp 38 TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp 39 TheCoenaculiMALE.esp 3A SGHairPackAIO.esp 3B Immersive Wenches -SG&KS hairs- Patch.esp 3C YMMP.esp 3D EmpyreanCS.esp 3E EmpyreanWarpaints.esp 3F FreckleMania.esp 40 ExtraPocket.esp 41 Extended Slider Colors.esp 42 RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - CBBE.esp 43 SGEyebrows.esp 44 Neithteam Warpaint.esp 45 SOSRaceMenu.esp 46 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 47 CitrusHead - Standalone.esp 48 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 49 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 4A SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 4B SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp 4C SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 4D SOS Female Schlongifier (No Schlong Addon by Erundil).esp 4E SOS - ERF Horse Penis CBBE - Addon.esp 4F SOS - ERF Equipable Horse Penis.esp 50 SOS - ERF Horse Penis Addon.esp 51 12FemaleBrows.esp 52 XPMSE.esp 53 Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp 54 UIExtensions.esp 55 AddItemMenu.esp 56 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp 57 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 58 Differently Ebony.esp 59 BandedIronBikini.esp 5A BladesBikini.esp 5B DragonBoneBikini.esp 5C SteelBikini.esp 5D SteelPlateBikini.esp 5E Wolfbikini.esp 5F Notverigud Nordic Carved Bikini.esp 60 TrissArmorRetextured.esp 61 FalmerBikini.esp 62 Dwarvenbikini.esp 63 Dragonbone Marauder armor.esp 64 Dragonbone Marauder armor Addon.esp 65 DragonboneBarbarianArmor.esp 66 DragonPlateBrazen.esp 67 Leolic.esp 68 Anal Torch.esp 69 RailLight.esp 6A NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp 6B ERF - Succubus.esp 6C Theminiblacks Merged Armor Shop.esp 6D MiniBikini.esp 6E RevampedDSArmor7B.esp 6F TsuntsunArmor7B.esp 70 R18Pn - Inner Wear Set.esp 71 HotpantsBikini.esp 72 Guild Duelist Armor.esp 73 RagingMoon.esp 74 rosarmor.esp 75 BDLeatherRobe.esp 76 Sexy Robes and Hats.esp 77 Cassandra Frost Witch.esp 78 Gwelda Red Riding Hood.esp 79 Gwelda Dawnguard Armor.esp 7A Merta Assassin Armor.esp 7B Northgirl.esp 7C Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp 7D Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp 7E Tembtra Thief Armor.esp 7F Ursine Armor Pack.esp 80 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 81 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 82 hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp 83 Cloaks.esp 84 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 85 Necromancer's Outfit.esp 86 BDYEB.esp 87 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 88 Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp 89 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp 8A Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 8B PrisonerRagsForFemales.esp 8C Black Viper's Will.esp 8D AncientDraugr.esp 8E Emfy Cleric Robes.esp 8F EdhildilsHelgenrogue.esp 90 Daedric Reaper Armor.esp 91 AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp 92 PeroPeroArmorPack.esp 93 Dalight.esp 94 Dual Sheath Redux.esp 95 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 3.1.5a] 96 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 97 RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp 98 RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp 99 FollowerCompatibility.esp 9A Bashed Patch, 0.esp 9B Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp I'm using the latest versions of SKSE, and XPMSE, but FNIS is outdated. I use 6.2, not 6.3. I also use the most up to date version of Bodyslide for CBBE, as well as Dual Sheathe redux. Now, I'm not sure where I went wrong, but in trying to trouble shoot my issue, I've removed several, and I mean SEVERAL mods, all being ineffectual in fixing the issue. The ones I hadn't removed were ones that didn't give any issues in previous playthroughs (such as one that basically had 100 hours.) but for some reason, my recent playthroughs have just been crashing, and I just can't pinpoint a cause. At one point I was CTDing in the loading screen, but Crash fixes solved why for m, and I just reinstalled XPMSE and reran FNIS. After that however, the crashes kept coming, and once again, I was stuck CTDing in the loading screen(It was always right at the end when you think you're about to load into the save.) I turned off my ENB, that worked for a while, then I started crashing in the loading screen again. So I ran vcredist, dotfx and directx from the skyrim directory. Finally, no more crashing in the loading screen! But as my playthrough of the College of Winterhood story went on, I just kept CTDing throughout dungeons, throughout the open world, and throughout the college! One thing I've noticed is that I never CTD unless anything BUT a female is in the cell. So, I tried reinstalling SoS, and this time, having it overwrite XPMSE. Nothing really changed. I was still CTDing, and when I tried staying in a cell by myself with no one else there, everything was fine. However, I should add I hadn't stayed in the cell for long. I'm honestly still not sure what could be the cause of these CTDs, or even if I'm on the right track. I can't use LOOT anymore due to RDO, (it throws everything all over the place with no sense of direction) so all I can really use is xEdit, which also didn't show any really bad conflicts. It only showed conflicts that didn't cause crashes in the 100+ hour playthrough I had. I would try using LOOT if it wren't for the fact that my load order was precisely the same at the time of the 100+ hour playthrough that it is now, with a few additions. These additions however, were in another playthrough which was well over 10 hours. And that one never had a single crash, barring when I set Bijin AiO lower than Immersive weapons in my load order. Which is the other question. What is it about Immersive weapons that defaults Bijin AiO's settings? Why does it do that? More importantly, why does it need to? If anyone can answer any or all of my questions, I'd appreciate it a lot. I just want to be able to play the game like I did the first time around. That was pure heaven. :/ If more information is needed, I'll post it up as fast as possible. Thank you. Papyrus.0.rar
RomeoZero Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 If only character is involved on CTD,mainly its due to a wrong properties in a nif file.Sometime it is a Skin Instance data - where some skinned bones on the body mesh are not present on the skeleton_female. If a mesh in Nifskope have a VertexColors property "Yes" [ of NiTriShapeData ] ,then in Shader Flags 2 [ of BSLightingShaderProperty ] it need to be switched on also. Basically - new objects, must copy vanilla shaders for actors\armors\clutter etc. I noticed that mod authors ignore such a basic rule.(some bodyslide meshes have same wrong data when created) That is why some installed mods have CTD on startup or loading esp files on saves,a human error factor Disable new mods you recently downloaded to data folder,then check them\body meshes properties in Nifskope,then bone names that they have.
ArieWasTaken Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 Oh my gosh I actually love you. I was on the right track then! I think I know where to start up again, but sadly, I keep my armor mods in order from oldest to newest in descending order. (I do this for every section of my load order unless there's a conflict.) I guess this means either Dalight, or the PeroPeroArmor Pack might be going bye bye. :L Thank you so much though, I was gonna be upset if I had to do a fourth fresh install. ._. EDIT: WAIT! I just remembered! I used zzjay's wardrobe with a Bodyslide conversion that required resourcesfrom HDT body 1.4... Is it possible that that might alos have residual effects as well? I did rebuild a few things in bodyslide prior to uninstalling it. I tried rebuilding everything again after those resources were uninstalled, but I don't know if I actually got everything.
ArieWasTaken Posted January 24, 2017 Author Posted January 24, 2017 If only character is involved on CTD,mainly its due to a wrong properties in a nif file.Sometime it is a Skin Instance data - where some skinned bones on the body mesh are not present on the skeleton_female. If a mesh in Nifskope have a VertexColors property "Yes" [ of NiTriShapeData ] ,then in Shader Flags 2 [ of BSLightingShaderProperty ] it need to be switched on also. Basically - new objects, must copy vanilla shaders for actors\armors\clutter etc. I noticed that mod authors ignore such a basic rule.(some bodyslide meshes have same wrong data when created) That is why some installed mods have CTD on startup or loading esp files on saves,a human error factor Disable new mods you recently downloaded to data folder,then check them\body meshes properties in Nifskope,then bone names that they have. Sorry, I just wante to get your attention again. My playthroughs lasted longer after getting rid of the the culprit mod, but I'm still crashing, and I was wondering. Why would NMM have more active than installed mods? I have absolutely no mods from steam, and none installed manually. >.>;
RomeoZero Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Its hard to know the full issue you got. As i wrote before,if its a character - research skeleton and nude body mesh ( Install latest xpmse,see VertexColors on\off on body), If its a downloaded mod (even BSA archive) like armor, in it can also be a switched vertexcolors shader on with its off param (CDT on load,in game instantly).It is a one by one step to find the issue. Bodyslide have its own female skeletons in "res" folder,u must update them also.
ArieWasTaken Posted January 24, 2017 Author Posted January 24, 2017 Its hard to know the full issue you got. As i wrote before,if its a character - research skeleton and nude body mesh ( Install latest xpmse,see VertexColors on\off on body), If its a downloaded mod (even BSA archive) like armor, in it can also be a switched vertexcolors shader on with its off param (CDT on load,in game instantly).It is a one by one step to find the issue. Bodyslide have its own female skeletons in "res" folder,u must update them also. Guess I'll update my bodyslide stuffs then. I haven't done that yet. I still wanna figure out why It shows 288 active mods and 286 installed mods though.. I'll be back with results tomorrow.
ArieWasTaken Posted January 25, 2017 Author Posted January 25, 2017 Okay, so, both things have been done, but no dice. I guess those mods weren't the issue... Awkward. I guess now that just leaves the blaringly obvious 288/286 problem. Sadly, I don't think I can post my NMM mods (and I don't mean just plugins.) So I guess I'm on my own from here on out. I do remember somethings trying to install but NMM crashing mid process. I just can't remember what.. Oh well. Thanks for your help. Even if this wasn't an issue, I'm a heck of a lot more weary of mods now.
Arcturus7777 Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Its hard to know the full issue you got. As i wrote before,if its a character - research skeleton and nude body mesh ( Install latest xpmse,see VertexColors on\off on body), If its a downloaded mod (even BSA archive) like armor, in it can also be a switched vertexcolors shader on with its off param (CDT on load,in game instantly).It is a one by one step to find the issue. Bodyslide have its own female skeletons in "res" folder,u must update them also. I am having s similar problem. would presets in racemenu that install warpaints on the character, cause crashes. I started a playthru with poison ivy, but one of the requirements for face paint would not load so I left it out. it shows in race menu, but of course does not show on her face.
RomeoZero Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 I am having s similar problem. would presets in racemenu that install warpaints on the character, cause crashes. I started a playthru with poison ivy, but one of the requirements for face paint would not load so I left it out. it shows in race menu, but of course does not show on her face. Dont know about it,if its a simple texture overlay it should not conflict. Everything that have a mesh with BSshader in it - is the first source to check for fixing damn CTD if a new mod installed .Then skeleton > mod order > skse plugins > memory restriction and so on. Authors don't like to make simple and easy BSA plugins in CK ( that can be disabled to test if its the cause) thus u got game errors and CTD stuff with unknown complicated tools.
Arcturus7777 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 I am having s similar problem. would presets in racemenu that install warpaints on the character, cause crashes. I started a playthru with poison ivy, but one of the requirements for face paint would not load so I left it out. it shows in race menu, but of course does not show on her face. Dont know about it,if its a simple texture overlay it should not conflict. Everything that have a mesh with BSshader in it - is the first source to check for fixing damn CTD if a new mod installed .Then skeleton > mod order > skse plugins > memory restriction and so on. Authors don't like to make simple and easy BSA plugins in CK ( that can be disabled to test if its the cause) thus u got game errors and CTD stuff with unknown complicated tools. You may be correct, I found out the main problem, and it was my fault. Deviously cursed loot is only for female mains, I ignored this as I believed it to mean the devious and stuff would look bad on a male and the quests were not written for a male, and I was playing a Futa play thru. I was incorrect, all my fault. you can not play male or futa with this mod active. period. I am sorry if I sorta hijacked this question. I did not see the mod causing me the trouble in your load order. Anyway thank you for the question, and thank you romerozero for the info.
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