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Locksoli

Locksoli

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I know for a fact it isn't mods, I made sure to load plugins one by one just to check. Anything I should do to the inis or something to fix this?

Hippeus

Hippeus

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I know for a fact it isn't mods, I made sure to load plugins one by one just to check. Anything I should do to the inis or something to fix this?

 

What is your memory like? Even setting up enblocal or skse.ini wrong can cause crashes.

Guest MonsterFish

Guest MonsterFish

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Are you crashing in a specific spot every time or is it just within that certain timeframe?

Crashing in a spot like outside Whiterun may seem like 15 minutes but it's actually more to do with Whiterun being a problem zone.

Locksoli

Locksoli

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Its just within a certain timeframe.

It almost definitely is mod related. Time to clean out your game - totally vanilla.

 

Then follow this : http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74427/?   guide to completely set up your game again from scratch. 

 

Tried this, it just made everything worse. Now some of the mods I have aren't working because my papyrus ini settings are invalid, and one of my files is mistaken for an older version.

Locksoli

Locksoli

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Still facing this problem. Tried fixing my inis correctly with http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74427/?, but its still happening. I'm posting my load order just in case. 

  0  0 Skyrim.esm
  1  1 Update.esm
  2  2 Dawnguard.esm
  3  3 HearthFires.esm
  4  4 Dragonborn.esm
  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6 SharedSeranaDialogue.esm
  7  7 ApachiiHair.esm
  8  8 SexLab.esm
  9  9 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 10  a Campfire.esm
 11  b daymoyl.esm
 12  c CreatureFramework.esm
 13  d BeeingFemale.esm
 14  e HighResTexturePack01.esp
 15  f HighResTexturePack02.esp
 16 10 HighResTexturePack03.esp
 17 11 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
 18 12 RaceMenu.esp
 19 13 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 20 14 SkyUI.esp
 21 15 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
 22 16 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 23 17 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
 24 18 dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
 25 19 dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
 26 1a RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
 27 1b Purewaters.esp
 28 1c MaceofMolagBalEnhanced.esp
 29 1d Ghosu - Project Flintlock - Ammo Addon.esp
 30 1e Mighty Beasts - Vampire Lord.esp
 31 1f Mighty Beasts - Werewolf.esp
 32 20 skyforgedWeapons.esp
 33 21 Skill Config.esp
 34 22 InigoPerkPointGiver.esp
 35 23 NonEssentialChildren.esp
 36 24 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
 37 25 Better Vampires.esp
 38 26 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 39 27 Marriable Serana.esp
 40 28 Marriable Serana HF.esp
 41 29 Run For Your Lives.esp
 42 2a Cloaks.esp
 43 2b SMIM-Merged-All.esp
 44 2c Frostfall.esp
 45 2d Hunterborn.esp
 46 2e gonkishvampdens.esp
 47 2f SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
 48 30 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
 49 31 SpousesEnhanced.esp
 50 32 BatTravel.esp
 51 33 Cliffracers_Solstheim.esp
 52 34 Cliffracers.esp
 53 35 Vampirelordroyal.esp
 54 36 Ghosu - Project Flintlock.esp
 55 37 FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
 56 38 BVandRB_Formlist.esp
 57 39 Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp
 58 3a RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
 59 3b WerewolfPerksExpanded.esp
 60 3c RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
 61 3d RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
 62 3e bestialhungerring.esp
 63 3f Player Size Adjuster.esp
 64 40 Predator Vision.esp
 65 41 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
 66 42 BeastWithin.esp
 67 43 PowerOfBlood.esp
 68 44 When Vampires Attack.esp
 69 45 naturalclaws.esp
 70 46 HeartBreaker.esp
 71 47 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
 72 48 gloves.esp
 73 49 Realistic werewolf speed.esp
 74 4a HellsingEyes.esp
 75 4b ApachiiHairStylesCOMBINED.esp
 76 4c VFWC - Legendary.esp
 77 4d DeadlyMutilation.esp
 78 4e VampireSkinToneFixes.esp
 79 4f DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
 80 50 FNIS.esp
 81 51 Duelist-Longcoat.esp
 82 52 HunterArcherCuirass.esp
 83 53 InquisitorGear.esp
 84 54 SwordsmansCoat.esp
 85 55 SexLabDefeat.esp
 86 56 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 87 57 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
 88 58 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
 89 59 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
 90 5a SpousesEnhanced_Serana.esp
 91 5b SexLabWerewolves.esp
 92 5c SexLabWerewolvesMB.esp
 93 5d XPMSE.esp
 94 5e Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 95 5f SGEyebrows.esp
 96 60 Jennifer.esp
 97 61 Misha.esp
 98 62 Blush When Aroused.esp
 99 63 BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
100 64 SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
Ashkandii

Ashkandii

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Try using adding these to your .ini's

 

Skyrim.ini

 

 

[Papyrus]
fUpdateBudgetMS=800
fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0
iMinMemoryPageSize=256
iMaxMemoryPageSize=512
iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=2457600
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

 

 

 

SKSE.ini

 

 

[General]
ClearInvalidRegistrations=1
[Display]
iTintTextureResolution=2048
[Memory]
DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768
ScrapHeapSizeMB=256

 

 

 

 

 

Ashkandii

Ashkandii

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nope, didn't help.

It should of created a papyrus log in Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Logs\Script and look at the last line, that should be your culprit. 

Ashkandii

Ashkandii

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it didn't show up within that directory

Ah..eh..wh..what? why not? IT always should show up in there, unless it was never created. Are you sure you have the line bEnableLogging=1  in your skyrim.ini 

Gameplayer

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Still facing this problem. Tried fixing my inis correctly with http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74427/?, but its still happening. I'm posting my load order just in case. 

  0  0 Skyrim.esm
  1  1 Update.esm
  2  2 Dawnguard.esm
  3  3 HearthFires.esm
  4  4 Dragonborn.esm
  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

  6  6 SharedSeranaDialogue.esm  < Messing around with Serana NPC has never been a good idea in Modding, for some reason it's always FUBAR as in fucked up beyond all recognition

 
  
 10  a Campfire.esm < Going to mark off mods that will cause some script overhead, note that these work fine on their own but after you add enough seems to induce crashes, Script Dumps (which leads to crashes plus unrecoverable save files)

 11  b daymoyl.esm <Mod increases script load, can just stop working properly, which is also a sign that stack dumps are around the corner

 12  c CreatureFramework.esm <Adds to script load

 13  d BeeingFemale.esm<adds to script load

  22 16 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp <Can add to script load depends on options personally I stopped using this altogether

 26 1a RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp < Adds to script load

 27 1b Purewaters.esp <Meshes and Textures impacts performance of the game Note that FPS and Script load are tied together, meaning in laymans higher FPS means the game is unlikely to crash due to script overhead.

  30 1e Mighty Beasts - Vampire Lord.esp
 31 1f Mighty Beasts - Werewolf.esp

   35 23 NonEssentialChildren.esp

 36 24 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp <Script Load, though I use this file.

 37 25 Better Vampires.esp <--Script Load, honestly this is likely your worst offender in this LO, it can depend on settings

  39 27 Marriable Serana.esp <Serana Mods is questionable wouldn't even bother with it, look a simple internet search about this character and modding this character will yield a lot of feedback that suggests that this is really a wonder why bother with it.
 40 28 Marriable Serana HF.esp

 41 29 Run For Your Lives.esp <This mod can outright fail to run its scripts in LO's with a lot of script load, I would never expect it too even function in this LO

 43 2b SMIM-Merged-All.esp  Impact on Performance, likely the highest impact on your game right here.

 44 2c Frostfall.esp < This is likely your contender for highest script overhead right up there with Better Vampires

  47 2f SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp < This will likely Cause Serious Issues with your Serena Mods installed here

  49 31 SpousesEnhanced.esp Questionable if this is even compatible or provides meaningful extras alongside Amourous Adventures, it seems to me that this is not a well thought out decision made with informed knowledge of the mods installed.

  51 33 Cliffracers_Solstheim.esp < Why not just install Skyrim Immersive Creatures?
 52 34 Cliffracers.esp

 53 35 Vampirelordroyal.esp <I wonder if its even compatible with BFV?

  57 39 Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp < Werewolf Overhaul found.  Oh I thought you wanted to actually play a game?  This is a contender for Top Spot Script Overhead

 58 3a RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
 59 3b WerewolfPerksExpanded.esp
 60 3c RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
 61 3d RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
>>>>>>All of these RND, are a contender for Script Overhead.


 62 3e bestialhungerring.esp <Is this even compatiable with your Werewolf Overhaul?


 67 43 PowerOfBlood.esp <Is this compatible with BFV?

 68 44 When Vampires Attack.esp <I would never expect this to actually successfully run in this Load Order

  73 49 Realistic werewolf speed.esp < Is this even compatible with Werewolf Overhaul?

  77 4d DeadlyMutilation.esp <<<This uses "On Hit Event" and "Hit Detection" This is going to cost you a lot more than this mod author realized when using those types of events tied to scripts.  This specific Mod is in a listing on STEAM as a Number One most Broken mod of all time and most likely to cause issues with peoples games.

 79 4f DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp <Fluff Mod that adds too script Overhead, oh yay, lets do texture and mesh swaps on a game load order that cant even work properly right now!  Texture and Mesh Swapping impacts FPS severely this will have severe consequences during scripted moments like Combat given your choice of mods here.

  85 55 SexLabDefeat.esp, <Script Overhead, hey gotta be fair and call it like it is.  This mod will do some event calls that are not always ideal or avoidable if you want to have something like this in your game well you should know that.
Lets be clear though....You have now 4 mods in your LO that are all making "OnHit detection Event Calls" To Papyrus during Combat...Do you really think your not going to crash in combat?

 93 5d XPMSE.esp <Deactivate the ESP and keep the mod installed, or simply remove the ESP...You just don't have the Overhead to use this mods extra features reliably...Note that some people will say that this mods ESP is never worth having activated.

  98 62 Blush When Aroused.esp <-Fluff that adds to Script Overhead, just being fair you should be aware...Not that its done bad its just more burden.

 100 64 SexLab Inflation Framework.esp <---More Fluff adding to script load

 

I noted everything in your LOAD Order you provided,

 

Note that I noted directly in your Quote simply cause it was convenient for me to do so.

 

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There are of course additional Fuck-Ups to consider,

 

Are you using a Vanilla set of Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini

 

I'm guessing you used some downloaded and tweaked ones from off of the internet, please restore these to default condition.

Note that, you may have to open them and manually make changes like IPresetInterval=1 for ENB to work properly.

 

Did you even install a method to fix Skyrims busted Memory Allocation Properly?

 

SKSE Memory Tweak?

Checked that against Memory Blocks Log mod?

Those are by Shezon.

 

Then there is Crash Fixes,

Note that you need SkyrimPreloader for its best features to even work.

Note that if you use Crash Fixes memory allocation fixes that SKSE memory tweak doesn't also function, and in fact should probably be removed.

Note also that too even use its best memory allocation fixes you have to manually open its INI file and turn them on.

 

ENB

Note that, if your using Win10 having certain lines marked true will induce crashing.

ExpandSystemMemoryx64=True will cause issues with WIN10 installations, Note that it should be False if your using Crash Fixes.  It should always be False on Win10 installations.

>You can find more detailed information on that from the author of Crash Fixes.

Note: Win10 has some disadvantages with Skyrim, you will only ever count as having a total memory allocation of 4096 or so.  This is fairly well reported amount.  That matters, cause people love to provide their own version of the ENBlocal.INI and chances are their settings are FUBAR for you no matter what operating system.

Note: you always need to check and fix the ENBlocal.INI with blood sweat and tears for yourself to ensure that its going to work properly.

 

Ugrids to load and mods like it,

Note that these sorts of modifications are always use at your own risk and well most of them are known to cause issues and crashes so why bother.

 

Increasing Ugrids,

Always a terrible idea, no exceptions ever.  Always expect game instability and these days there are far better options anyway...Like Dyndolod or even just LOD mods.

 

Then there is the matter of what sort of hardware you have and on what Operating System.

 

 

That's a whole lot that we need to know and well your providing a Pap Log just doesn't help so much...

 

Just looking at your LO I see a lot of really questionable mods in there that I would figure would not work reliably for a long term game....More likely it'd work for a good long while maybe upwards of level 20 or so...just long enough to feel invested into your game.

 

But say you have this Better Vamp and Werewolf mod...When those mods start introducing more of their features as you get deeper along into your game than well we are talking about how script load starts to increase as you get further in.

Do you not see a problem with that?

 

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So why is it so important to fix Skyrim busted memory allocation in some fashion?

 

Well with this Load Order I would expect that you would run out of memory withen the very first 5 to 15 minutes of gameplay time.

 

Normally you have around 256 memory block for loading of NPC and some of their AI functions like Actor Packages.

You will be at around 315 withen 5 minutes and then its suppose to move some of it over to a second block for discard purposes to prevent crashing.

Unfortunately the PC version of the game got a broken version of this.

If you would like to know more about that, you gotta look up Shezon or SKSE Memory Tweak...Also the STEP forum is a great place to get solid information.

 

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So what can I say....

 

 

You gotta figure out what sort of game you really gotta play....

 

And then get real real picky about which of these immersive mods your going to allow yourself to have.

Cause the honest truth is these are all great mods...They function well enough on their own.

 

Its just that when you start stacking them all up together that well....Skyrim is pretty shaky platform meant to run on an XBOX360 and it was well coded for that even....With that things hardware in mind.

 

Which brings me back to why its soo important to make sure that you have properly fixed the busted memory allocation with some modification of some kind.

 

I'd also suggest using an FPS counter while you play your game.

 

You will want to make tweaks to what your going to use and adjust settings in ENB Presets and such to optimize to try to get around 45+ FPS while you are playing under load....As in your lowest FPS should be 45.

 

 

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If it helps....Well your not alone.

 

I see a very similar load order to this one almost every single week for about the last 3 years.

We all think man it'd be great to have that one truly fine tuned immersive experience in an RPG game world filled with the need to stave off the harsh environment, needs to eat n drink, fearsome combat, and the chance for a romantic encounter.

I would say first try dumping Death Alternative, Mutilations, Enhanced Blood, your Serana Modifications, and RND.

Personally I would also remove both your werewolf overhaul and Better Vampires, not only do these mods impact the script load quite a bit they impact it more as you get more time invested into your game and more of their parts become active.

More than likely your game will then be stable enough for long term play.

 

If you are having issues maintaining high FPS.

Dump out SMIM and Purewaters.

 

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Now why is it that people don't want to help like this?

 

You realize I had to sit here and think all this out and it took me like an hour of my life to do that?

So first I had to know what the problem was, then I had to also know the underlying issues, and then I had to think out and write a response.

 

I will likely then face a lot of undesirable feedback and people that demand I back up my claims which then robs me of more of my actually limited free time.

 

It gets annoying and there is usually little to no shortage of new people that need to learn up on this sort of thing.

 

Bear in mind that also, the people who come here for help have invested a whole hell of a lot of their time and energy into setting up their game for a specific play through so they are invested both in time and emotions.  Things can get ugly as well when fans or mod creator's see another known personality make claims about "their mod."

 

That's like the worst cause then I get a rep as a guy that says your mod is bad and here I am this like guy that has a fucking lot of experience....That doesn't go over real well.

 

So its like this, these mods mostly work fine its just your going to have to get real picky now about which ones.  Also you gotta make darn sure you fixed that memory situation.

Locksoli

Locksoli

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Tried removing some of the mods with overt amounts of script, and removed all the serana mods. I'm still having this problem. My current load order

 

 

 0  0 Skyrim.esm

 1  1 Update.esm
 2  2 Dawnguard.esm
 3  3 HearthFires.esm
 4  4 Dragonborn.esm
 5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
 6  6 ApachiiHair.esm
 7  7 SexLab.esm
 8  8 Campfire.esm
 9  9 CreatureFramework.esm
10  a Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
11  b BeeingFemale.esm
12  c SexLabAroused.esm
13  d HighResTexturePack01.esp
14  e HighResTexturePack02.esp
15  f HighResTexturePack03.esp
16 10 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
17 11 SkyUI.esp
18 12 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
19 13 Ghosu - Project Flintlock - Ammo Addon.esp
20 14 Mighty Beasts - Vampire Lord.esp
21 15 Mighty Beasts - Werewolf.esp
22 16 Skill Config.esp
23 17 InigoPerkPointGiver.esp
24 18 NonEssentialChildren.esp
25 19 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
26 1a Better Vampires.esp
27 1b SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
28 1c SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
29 1d SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
30 1e HentaiCreatures.esp
31 1f Cloaks.esp
32 20 Frostfall.esp
33 21 Hunterborn.esp
34 22 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
35 23 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
36 24 SpousesEnhanced.esp
37 25 BatTravel.esp
38 26 Vampirelordroyal.esp
39 27 Ghosu - Project Flintlock.esp
40 28 BVandRB_Formlist.esp
41 29 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
42 2a Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp
43 2b Player Size Adjuster.esp
44 2c Predator Vision.esp
45 2d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
46 2e BloodmoonRising.esp
47 2f Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
48 30 Realistic werewolf speed.esp
49 31 HellsingEyes.esp
50 32 ApachiiHairStylesCOMBINED.esp
51 33 FNIS.esp
52 34 HunterArcherCuirass.esp
53 35 InquisitorGear.esp
54 36 SexLabWerewolvesMB.esp
55 37 SGEyebrows.esp
56 38 MoreNastyCritters.esp
57 39 mxvampirecrystal.esp
58 3a mxwerewolfcrystal.esp
59 3b porphyric hemophilia.esp
60 3c betterskyforge.esp
61 3d skyforgedWeapons.esp
62 3e gloves.esp
63 3f Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
64 40 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
65 41 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
66 42 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
67 43 BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
68 44 VampireSkinToneFixes.esp
69 45 SexLabWerewolves.esp
70 46 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
71 47 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
72 48 MaceofMolagBalEnhanced.esp
73 49 RaceMenu.esp
74 4a RaceMenuPlugin.esp
75 4b dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
76 4c dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
77 4d Jennifer.esp
78 4e Misha.esp

 
Ashkandii

Ashkandii

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ok, I was able to fix the issue that was preventing logs from showing up. I got this one that I have no idea what it means. 

ERROR: Unable to call UnregisterForUpdate - no native object bound to the script object, or object is of incorrect type

stack:

[None].TrapPoisonGas.UnregisterForUpdate() - "<native>" Line ?

[None].TrapPoisonGas.OnUpdate() - "TrapPoisonGas.psc" Line 308

 

^^^ Last thing that happens before you crash.

 

if your using MO got to where it installed all the folders for the mods, just type in "TrapPoisonGas" in the search bar and windows should scan for it, if you dont find it its locked behind  .BSA and your gonna have to try find it there, best way unlesss someone here knows what the script belongs too, i dont. 

WindShadow75

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I had a problem similar to this. Skyrim was minimizing at regular intervals. It turned out to be my AV.

 

It was your AV?

 

 

Yeah, I switched from McAfee to Norton, and it stopped happening.

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