Sexout & Interior Lightning Overhaul conflict

[invalidusername]

Hi,

Just doing a FNV install and came upon some issues with Interior Lightning Overhaul and Sexout preventing FNV to launch (ILO also has the same conflict with Readius and Flashlight NVSE). This is with a bashed patched game.

 

By curiosity (My knowledge in modding is zero so it's really just that) I launched FNVEdit and looked at the two. It appears both ESMs share same FormIDs (References) for totally different 'items'. For example the FormID of a script or a misc item in Sexout ESM is a cell in ILO.

 

As I said my knowledge is null so I may say something totally silly and FormIDs get assigned their respective ESM mod index so it doesn't conflict at all.

 

But if this could be the issue is there some workaround to let both ESM work in harmony?

If this has nothing to do with it, would someone know the conflict between the two and how to resolve it?

 

Thanks

[zippy57]

There would be no FormID conflicts. FNVEdit can be misleading if you're not sure what you're looking at. I've used ILO with my install for quite a while now and have never experienced any issues. You've eliminated everything else? What exactly is the issue? What is your complete load order?

[KainsChylde]

 

...FormIDs get assigned their respective ESM mod index so it doesn't conflict at all.

 

This is exactly the case. This is why, when mod authors give console codes for working around bugs, its usually as xx000000 or whatever. The xx is replaced with the mod's index number. So while each mod may have a formID of 12000000 for two different objects when loaded alone, when loaded together one may be 12000000 and the other is 42000000.

[invalidusername]

Ok I just rechecked everything and the conflict is not between ILO and Sexout, but between ILO and Spice of Life. I'm sure I did re check ILO in my load order after having installed a few Sexout packages and before I came across Spice of Life. And it didn't work. But maybe I did mess up and left NVSE Flashlight or Readius on... I don't know.

 

Still I don't understand how ILO and Spice prevent the game from launching. When I launch FNVEdit with my load order I get no warning, no missing masters and such. A few lightning config and imagespaces conflict/override in some cells but that's all. I also tried to manually put everything ILO was overridden  with into the bashed patch but it didn't help.

 

This is my load order

This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

CaravanPack.esm

YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm

oHUD.esm

Detect Traps.esm

Ambient Temperature.esm

Inventory Access.esm

Sortomatic.esm

Advanced Recon Tech.esm

JIP Selective-Fire.esm

NVInteriors_Core.esm

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

Tales from the Burning Sands.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Caliber.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

CoitoErgoSum.esm

domecity.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Sexout.esm

SexoutSlavery.esm

SomeguySeries.esm

T6M Equipment Replacer NV.esm

Another-Kick-in-the-Head.esm

SexoutCommonResources.esm

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

More Perks.esm

SexoutDRTL.esm

Afterschool Special.esm

D.E.I.M.O.S..esm

Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm

NevadaSkies.esm

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

FPSWeaponWheel.esp

Boacombat2glove.esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

ArmourRepairKits.esp

JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp

Casino Exchange All.esp

CASM with MCM.esp

DarNifiedUINV.esp

Detect Traps Merged.esp

Advanced Recon Tech.esp

Vurt's WFO.esp

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp

Cass alternate version.esp

TrooperOverhaul-Dragbody.esp

Type 6.esp

populatedcasino-medium.esp

YukiMergedMods.esp

FCO - Sweat.esp

Improved Casinos 2X.esp

EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp

Improved-ammoingredientsloot.esp

RaestlozFactionArmorEnhancement.esp

Jump Fall Fixer.esp

LessIntrusiveKillCam.esp

Sandbox6 Mods Merged.esp

vault22FloralOverhaul.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

1nivVSLArmors.esp

1nivPNSLPatch.esp

Integration - Couriers Stash+WMX.esp

WMX-DLCMerged.esp

Project Nevada - WMX.esp

Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp

WMX-ModernWeapons.esp

NewVegasUncutSeries.esp

Delay DLC - DM + HH + OWB + LR + GRA.esp

GRA - The Right to Bear Arms.esp

Alternative Start.esp

EMR-StealthSuitMkII.esp

OWB-Path Lights.esp

Machienzo Merged Mod.esp

Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp

CONELRAD 640-1240.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp

Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp

Project Nevada - All DLC.esp

ADAM Complete.esp

Advanced Recon Gear.esp

Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp

Nipton Fires Extinguished.esp

Merged Fixes.esp

Powered Power Armor.esp

Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp

SCS - CombatArmour.esp

SexoutDRTLEx.esp

SexoutSound.esp

SmallerTalk.esp

Sortomatic_for_House_of_the_Chef.esp

Tales PN.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

Tutorial Killer - Merged .esp

NVInt_ARoomWithAView.esp

NewVegasBounties.esp

NewVegasBountiesII.esp

PortableCampsite.esp

T6M Merged.esp

T6M Gambler Female Suit.esp

ILO - Merged Patches.esp

NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp

DragonskinTacticalOutfit.esp

Advanced Recon Armor.esp

Improved Sound FX - WMX - Merged Major DLCs.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.CaliberX4+.Patch.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

mapmarkers.esp

Sexout-Another-Kick-Extension.esp

NukaCola-Ojo.esp

ExtendedDialogueVulpes.esp

GRARG.esp

Holster.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.LITE.esp

Distributed Necklaces and Chains Neck Seam Concealer.esp

nu_women_of_the_wasteland.esp

Better Burned Man.esp

pipboy2500_edisleado.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

Oh well, I guess for now I'll just skip NVSE Flashlight (pity) and Spice of life.

 

[invalidusername]

ILO also prevents FNV to launch if Daughters of Ares is in the load order. :puzzled:

[ljacquard]

From what I can see in your quoted load order, you are probably getting too close to the limit of how many ESPs the game can load.

 

At that point, the game starts to behave pretty chaotically, and I wouldn't be surprised if it also refused to launch.

 

Too much is just too much.

 

Try to merge (unsafe), or remove mods (safer) till you are down to 120 or so, and please report if you still have issues.

 

 

 

PS : I know the limit is 255 esps and about 400 esp+bsa for TES4/Oblivion, but much lower for FNV. Does someone have a link to an accurate source for FNV ?

[invalidusername]

I think it's 140 for FNV

 

Maybe you're right, I'll try to lower the mods and see if it still conflict.

[invalidusername]

Down to 120 (From 138) the problem persist.

[zippy57]

It's 254 for Oblivion and technically also 254 for FNV and FO3. That's the hard limit, anyway. There's a soft limit which is in the process of being tracked down, but it's not the number of plugins that ever causes an issue. Recent findings suggest it's at least partially dependent on the number of records contained within the loaded plugins (so more complicated mods will make you hit your limit faster) but what that limit is still isn't certain.

 

Regarding the load issue: Simple thing but it's best to start with the basics. Have you uninstalled and reinstalled ILO and the mods that it appears to be conflicting with? Dumb as it may sound I have, more than once, completely broken my entire installation by accidentally compressing a texture in a way the engine doesn't like. If some of the assets didn't install properly it could break everything, so a reinstall is a good thing to try.

[ljacquard]

Thank you for your insight, Zippy57.

You are of course correct about the 254 ESP limit : I inadvertedly skipped the presence of the main ESM in my mind.

Coming from TES4 and TES3, the much lower limit of FNV was a surprise to me when I first discovered it. It still baffles me since I am fairly sure that my fully modded TES4 game references more resources than my modded FNV game, but what do I know. Bethesda/Obsidian perhaps wanted to play it safe, and allocate increased space to the main game (+DLCs) at the expense of user mods. Or perhaps is it just that the upgraded engine is more demanding on memory overall ?

In any case, it's good to know that the limit seems not to depend on some arbitrary number (120? 130? 140, more or less?), but on a more reliable factor like the total number of records. I was fully prepared to do a test with 250 dummy ESPs, just to check if I could launch the game, and prove the most common "theories" wrong.

[invalidusername]

Thanks for the clarifications zippy57. 

 

To answer your question, yes I did. Luckily I use MO which makes reinstalling and swapping mods much easier. I've tried playing around with load order, removing other mods not directly involved in the conflict, or mods involved with ILO through patches but to no avail. Really I feel like I'm dealing with black magic here.

 

And since I really wanted to make a Playthrough with Daughter of Ares, if something has to go it will be ILO then. But it's sad the enhancement it provides seems really gorgeous.

 

But at that point I have no idea what I could do. And I don't even understand how any conflict between these mods could prevent the game from launching. 

[zippy57]

Let's back up a bit. I asked you this a while back and you never answered: What is actually happening? At what point is the game crashing?

[invalidusername]

MO would launch the process but it would kill itself before reaching the stage where it open a window (where the process actually become the program). Mmmh it's really not clear the way I put it, but I don't know how to explain it otherwise. Note that part of my gibberish is tied to the fact I'm a non English speaker

 

Anyhow I nailed it! It was tied to the amount of BSAs in my load order. I realized when I came across the same issue with a different pattern not involving ILO and with mods who were previously running fine together, that the issue occurred when I was adding a mod, at a certain point, containing BSA(s).

It might have been an Invalidation issue, but I had always make sure Datas were activated and had played ticking/unticking the Archive invalidation option in MO, and closing/reopening MO afterwards to make sure. Which didn't help. That's why it looks to me an issue with the sheer size of BSAs present (The ultimate version in itself contains a lot of bsas).

 

But at last everything run smooth even with ILO in my load order.

When I decided to get another go at FNV (Last playthrough must have been in 2011) I didn't think the modding part would take me so long. So naive, I should have known.

 

Anyhow many thanks for helping me through this, especially since it wasn't even tied to a SO issue.

 

While I'm here a quickie concerning SexOut resources. I saw in game that it adds perks (Dom related, sex size related) and was wondering how it actually affects the game. Do they need to be called by external SO mods to have any effect? Or are they directly affecting the Sexout core?

 

[invalidusername]

Ok just checked forums and FNVEdit, inactive perks. It sounded promising, oh well