Regular Freezing

[Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ]

Hey everyone!

I am back again with yet another issue, ofcourse... I really hope my threads are helping more then just myself, because otherwise I feel bad, I mean it seems like every other week I am making one of these threads, thanks to this awesome community I find a solution though!

 

Okay, so my current issue revolves around typical freezing. No CTD just freezing, but what's weird is my game will freeze, and the music and ambient sounds will continue to play. I sat their for 6 minutes one time just listening to the sountrack playing yet no movement on screen. It's very weird, also, there are no clear patterns for the freezing. It will happen in battle almost every time now, but sometimes it will even freeze while just randomly exploring.

I just did a fresh install of Skyrim last week and have been carefully adding mods in since, the first freeze came after I activated DAT GRASS, so instinctively I disabled that, but still got the freezing, so I guess it really isnt that mod... Last install this same exact thing was happening too, which is why I did a fresh install, I figured it was something to do with scripts, so on this install I was very careful about which mods I added, I stopped myself from adding many different script based mods in an effort to prevent CTDs, obviously that didn't due much use.

 

One last thing I notice about the freezing, is that when it freezes, on my task manager Skyrim and my ENB module in the task manager go down to 0% CPU usage, typically they are on 10% - 15% while playing, maybe this has something to do with the CTDs?

 

My load order:

 

 

00  Skyrim.esm

01  Update.esm

02  Dawnguard.esm

03  HearthFires.esm

04  Dragonborn.esm

05  ApachiiHair.esm

06  OblivionHairPackAIO.esm

07  RaceCompatibility.esm  [Version 1.60a]

08  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

09  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

0A  SPIKE.esm

0B  TravellersOfSkyrim.esm

0C  Annoying Clipping Remover.esp

0D  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.3.3c]

0E  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.4]

0F  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]

10  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]

11  Chesko_Frostfall.esp

12  ENB Snow FX.esp

13  enbweather.esp

14  RevampedExteriorFog.esp

15  SplashofRain.esp

16  ADS.esp

17  AOS.esp

18  Clanking Armor.esp

19  IceBreaker's Improved Reverb-v0.02-Cleaned.esp  [Version erb]

1A  Thundering Shouts.esp

1B  mintylightningmod.esp

1C  FantasySoundtrackProject.esp

1D  Cutting Room Floor.esp  [Version 1.0.1]

1E  Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp

1F  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

20  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

21  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

22  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 1.00]

23  ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp

24  AshRocks.esp

25  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

26  Catsofskyrim.esp

27  Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

28  Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp

29  DATGRASS.esp

2A  Dogsofskyrim.esp

2B  EpisodeParallax.esp

2C  fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp  [Version 1.0]

2D  filled_pots.esp

2E  FishingInSkyrim.esp

2F  GuessDistance.esp

30  Hunterborn.esp

31  Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

32  Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

33  HunterTraps.esp

34  Immersive Battles.esp

35  Immersive Brigands.esp

36  Immersive Dawnguard.esp

37  Immersive Dragonborn.esp

38  Immersive Factions.esp

39  Immersive Mercenaries.esp

3A  Immersive Patrols.esp

3B  Immersive Travelers.esp

3C  Immersive Werewolves.esp

3D  ItemRewardsForBounties.esp

3E  Loadout.esp

3F  RE_RealEstate.esp

40  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

41  Smoking Torches.esp

42  TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp

43  Footprints.esp

44  SkyUI.esp

45  iHUD.esp

46  Customizable Camera.esp

47  AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

48  BAMM.esp

49  Cloaks.esp

4A  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]

4B  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.3]

4C  FlameAtronachArmor.esp

4D  FullBootForKKSA.esp

4E  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

4F  Immersive Weapons.esp

50  isilNarsil.esp

51  Kaw's Claws.esp

52  HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp  [Version 2.0]

53  HarvestOverhaulSalmonRoe.esp

54  DeadlyDragons.esp

55  SkyRe_Main.esp

56  SkyRe_HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonbornPatch.esp

57  SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

58  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.5]

59  AdalMatar.esp

5A  Ebonvale.esp

5B  FrostflakeRetreat.esp

5C  Hunting in Skyrim.esp

5D  Inconsequential NPCs.esp

5E  LakesideResidence.esp

5F  MoreStables.esp

60  alcoholiceffect.esp

61  Book Covers Skyrim.esp

62  Book Covers Dawnguard.esp

63  Book Covers Hearthfire.esp

64  Book Covers Dragonborn.esp

65  Bounty Gold.esp  [Version 1.0]

66  Differently Ebony.esp

67  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

68  Headtracking.esp

69  Lawrens RNG Guards.esp

6A  LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp

6B  Mercy.esp

6C  PalistovSpinningArrows.esp

6D  Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

6E  SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

6F  SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC.esp

70  SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp

71  Convenient Horses.esp

72  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

73  aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

74  Skyrim unleashed_items.esp

75  Skyrim unleashed_npc.esp

76  Skyrim unleashed_crafting.esp

77  Skyrim unleashed_enchantments.esp

78  Skyrim unleashed_leveling.esp

79  DawnofWindhelm.esp

7A  SoS - The Dungeons.esp  [Version 1.23]

7B  SoS - The Wilds.esp  [Version 1.13]

7C  SoS - Civilization.esp  [Version 1.02]

7D  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

7E  CinematicFireFX.esp

7F  RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

80  RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

81  RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

82  RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

83  Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp

84  RND_USKP-Patch.esp

85  Better Vampires.esp

86  Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

87  dovahkiinrelax.esp

88  FNISspells.esp

89  Realistic crime report radius.esp

8A  NoSneakAttackSound.esp

8B  Duel - Combat Realism.esp

8C  MountedCasting.esp

8D  The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

8E  Sneak Tools.esp

8F  Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

90  Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

91  dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

92  Pinup Poser.esp

93  SGEyebrows.esp

94  SGHairPack04.esp

95  SGHairPack03.esp

96  SGHairPack02.esp

97  SGHairPack06.esp

98  SGHairPack01.esp

99  SGHairPack05.esp

9A  TheEyesOfBeauty.esp  [Version 9]

9B  kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers.esp

9C  ApprenticeOfThuum.esp

9D  Realistic Teeth Dawnguard Serana Vampire Fix.esp

9E  moveit.esp

9F  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 2.3.3b]

A0  CharacterMakingExtender.esp

A1  EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp

A2  PCEA - 0 - DG and DB DLC - All Races.esp

A3  SkyRe_Races.esp

A4  TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp

A5  TTYM - Frostfall Module.esp

A6  Immersive Interiors.esp

A7  RealisticWaterTwo.esp

A8  RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp

A9  RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp

AA  RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp

AB  RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

AC  SKSE Hotkeys.esp

AD  WetandCold.esp

AE  Unique Region Names.esp  [Version 5]

AF  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

B0  ReProccer.esp

B1  SurplusTreesforOpenCitiesSkyrim.esp

B2  The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp

B3  Justins Riften Retexture 3 0.esp

B4  Talos Island - Reborn.esp

 

I am also using the Saaran Su'um ENB

 

[Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ]

As a constant fighter of CTD's and freezes I can say from analyzing your load order that you're running an inordinate amount of mods that are editing various world cells and leveled lists pretty heavily.

 

The more of these you stack on top of each other the chance of failure at some level in the process becomes exponentially higher, resulting in much greater instability.

 

Simplest thing I can suggest is to cut back on mods that edit cells as heavily as possible. Once you've done that, managing your memory overhead is actually a very simple battle of deciding what overrides really are necessary and which are not. But mods that edit cells in general are always dangerous and having multiple cell and leveled list editing mods is a guaranteed trip to crash/lock up.

 

Also given the fact that you're running such a large amount of high resolution replacers I'm going to assume you're using Sky2K and AMidianborn in there too which neither of them show up in the plugin list but on top of the huge amount of cell and leveled list editing going on there, you're also pushing a huge buffer stream of asset data through the engine at any given second.

 

ENBHost and Smartload and even CellOptimizer in conjunction with each other, with the smartest and most effective ini edits you can make simply are not enough to make the Creation Engine handle all that stuff.

 

I know the prevailing belief is that if you have a really good computer the game should be able to handle an infinite amount of mods and I know there are people out there claiming to run 250 mods flawlessly...but....the overall true of matters is keeping your installed mod list under 100 addons in total is simple better for your potential stability on ANY hardware because its not the hardware that is at fault, its the software and the software just can't deal with the load intelligently...if it could, stuff like ENBHost wouldn't be necessary and even that is a third party/half measure that isn't going to make the Creation Engine stop choking on its own vomit and dying when we can't be more conservative with our content additions.

 

Thanks for taking the time to write that out for me, I appreciate the help. I am going to disable DUEL and consider removing SkyRE along with some other house mods and such, lets hope this helps. I never thought that the level lists could be the cause... Figures. And about the whole engine thing, believe me I have ran into far to many issues with this to understand it, haha. It's ashame that the engine isn't stronger, but what can ya do.

[Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ]

I got back into Skyrim and these issues are still persistent. Thanks to SemiPr0 I have managed to lower the crashes significantly, but they are still prominent while playing. I really am hopping to find a solution to this, so any further feedback would be awesome!

 

Thanks everyone!

[Sweatington]

Are you using latest SKSE alpha/sheson memory patch? Consider freemem also if you don't have it. 

 

The memory patch and freemem made my game pretty much CTD free except for the really rare HDT physichs crash, still, the HDT autosaves before it crashesh so that is NEVER an issue

[Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ]

Are you using latest SKSE alpha/sheson memory patch? Consider freemem also if you don't have it. 

 

The memory patch and freemem made my game pretty much CTD free except for the really rare HDT physichs crash, still, the HDT autosaves before it crashesh so that is NEVER an issue

 

Yes, I have used all the utilities in regard to memory and optimization. I am not getting CTD's, just awkward freezing.

[gvman3670]

If remove those scripted mods, like Duel, then you're still going to have issues because those scripts are still trying to run. They get stuck in the save files themselves. And the number of errors is going to continue to increase with time after removing them. But if you can go back to a save that you have from before adding those scripts you can get around this problem.

[Sweatington]

Curious about your system specs. And if you wanna get rid of scripts. One thing you could do is switch out realistic needs and diseases for ZF Primary needs, which in my oppinion is a much better alternative. No scripts, nice jar patcher for it's animations. Animations are highly immersive! TOP NOTCH MOD IMO.

[Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ]

If remove those scripted mods, like Duel, then you're still going to have issues because those scripts are still trying to run. They get stuck in the save files themselves. And the number of errors is going to continue to increase with time after removing them. But if you can go back to a save that you have from before adding those scripts you can get around this problem.

 

Typically if I know that I will be disabling a script intensive mod, I start a fresh save, so usually when I go through and remove script heavy mods, I just start a fresh save anyway. I haven't had a character that I actually played with in months, at the current stage, I am just trying to get full stability anyways, so this isn't much of an issue. I have been starting a fresh character everytime I change scripts or other intensive mods around.

 

Curious about your system specs. And if you wanna get rid of scripts. One thing you could do is switch out realistic needs and diseases for ZF Primary needs, which in my oppinion is a much better alternative. No scripts, nice jar patcher for it's animations. Animations are highly immersive! TOP NOTCH MOD IMO.

 

I have actually never heard of this, but I may have to look into it. The one thing I really love about RND though, is the SexLab integration that has been made for it, its completely game changing for me.

[Sweatington]

 

If remove those scripted mods, like Duel, then you're still going to have issues because those scripts are still trying to run. They get stuck in the save files themselves. And the number of errors is going to continue to increase with time after removing them. But if you can go back to a save that you have from before adding those scripts you can get around this problem.

 

Typically if I know that I will be disabling a script intensive mod, I start a fresh save, so usually when I go through and remove script heavy mods, I just start a fresh save anyway. I haven't had a character that I actually played with in months, at the current stage, I am just trying to get full stability anyways, so this isn't much of an issue. I have been starting a fresh character everytime I change scripts or other intensive mods around.

 

Curious about your system specs. And if you wanna get rid of scripts. One thing you could do is switch out realistic needs and diseases for ZF Primary needs, which in my oppinion is a much better alternative. No scripts, nice jar patcher for it's animations. Animations are highly immersive! TOP NOTCH MOD IMO.

 

I have actually never heard of this, but I may have to look into it. The one thing I really love about RND though, is the SexLab integration that has been made for it, its completely game changing for me.

 

 

RND has sexlab plugin? thought that was only frostfall lol.

[Gᴀʟᴠᴀɴɪᴢᴇ]

 

 

If remove those scripted mods, like Duel, then you're still going to have issues because those scripts are still trying to run. They get stuck in the save files themselves. And the number of errors is going to continue to increase with time after removing them. But if you can go back to a save that you have from before adding those scripts you can get around this problem.

 

Typically if I know that I will be disabling a script intensive mod, I start a fresh save, so usually when I go through and remove script heavy mods, I just start a fresh save anyway. I haven't had a character that I actually played with in months, at the current stage, I am just trying to get full stability anyways, so this isn't much of an issue. I have been starting a fresh character everytime I change scripts or other intensive mods around.

 

Curious about your system specs. And if you wanna get rid of scripts. One thing you could do is switch out realistic needs and diseases for ZF Primary needs, which in my oppinion is a much better alternative. No scripts, nice jar patcher for it's animations. Animations are highly immersive! TOP NOTCH MOD IMO.

 

I have actually never heard of this, but I may have to look into it. The one thing I really love about RND though, is the SexLab integration that has been made for it, its completely game changing for me.

 

 

RND has sexlab plugin? thought that was only frostfall lol.

 

 

Yeah, here it is http://www.loverslab.com/topic/21812-sexlab-rnd/.

Amazing addition!

[Sweatington]

I started getting these freezez as well on occasion. Then I did some papyrus ini tweaks and haven't experienced any since. Could try it if your still having issues.