The Crissy Moran Conundrum.

[RedAuggie]

It has been almost 20 years since Crissy Moran walked away from from the porn industry as well as her $15,000 monthly income.

To this day she advocates against the porn industry and refuses money she is due because her content still circulates the internet.

I created a Sims 4 wall art mod using images of her that are still available online.

I hesitate to share this mod....

[Simpossible_xx]

Lmao, leave the lady alone

[サマエル]

I don't know but thank the gods I always listened to my father when he told me "be careful not to do stupid things during your youth that you will regret in your old age."

[RedAuggie]

1 hour ago, サマエル said:

I don't know but thank the gods I always listened to my father when he told me "be careful not to do stupid things during your youth that you will regret in your old age."

I did a bit of research. Crissy Moran's father was, allegedly,  an angry, abusive alcoholic. So I suppose she wasn't blessed to have the same experience you did.

That is very good fatherly advice indeed. I can say that I received very similar advice from my own POPS!

[サマエル]

29 minutes ago, RedAuggie said:

I did a bit of research. Crissy Moran's father was, allegedly,  an angry, abusive alcoholic.

 

[Mr. Otaku]

Ooooo i hate people like her. Had her big break from doing porn and then turned on it, acting like it's somehow so bad now. There is no law against sharing content involving her that is officially licensed under the studios she worked for so post all you want. You can look up her porn very easily on google so clearly no one gives a fuck about that snake. People who don't respect the ladder they used to get on top deserve no ladders.

[RedAuggie]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

Ooooo i hate people like her. Had her big break from doing porn and then turned on it, acting like it's somehow so bad now. There is no law against sharing content involving her that is officially licensed under the studios she worked for so post all you want. You can look up her porn very easily on google so clearly no one gives a fuck about that snake. People who don't respect the ladder they used to get on top deserve no ladders.

 

I see what you're saying but what throws me off is that she is actively refusing money she has legally earned. She has now joined the Christian faith and openly speaks out against the porn industry. I can see that she wants to now live a different kind of life; but on the other hand it's wild to me that it seems she doesn't understand that the only reason people listen to what she has to say is because her 20 year distant porn career is still generating her some popularity to this day. No matter what she is still on the porn ladder she claims she wanted to walk away from. 

Edited February 8 by RedAuggie

[Mr. Otaku]

4 minutes ago, RedAuggie said:

I see what you're saying but what throws me off is that she is actively refusing money she has legally earned. She has now joined the Christian faith and openly speaks out against the porn industry. I can see that she wants to now live a different kind of life; but on the other hand it's wild to me that it seems she doesn't understand that the only reason people listen to what she has to say is because her 20 year distant porn career is still generating her some popularity to this day. 

 

It's all performative. She's projecting how she's totally not a hypocrite by refusing the money which is whatever, no one's losing sleep over it. There's nothing inherently wrong with changing your lifestyle completely for whatever reason but to then turn around and shit on what got you where you are is the height of hypocrisy. By doing this she's actively belittling people who she once worked with and people who still proudly work in the industry like several of my family members, that's what pisses me off about people like her.

[mercplatypus]

Here's my 2 cents on the matter.  Did she make some serious money from her adult film work?  Absolutely.   Did she accept the money at the time?  Absolutely.

 

Is it completely unreasonable to think that she'd reach a point in her life where she's grown to greatly dislike the porn industry?  No, it isn't.  Is it truly hypocritical of her to make some serious life changes and realize she doesn't want that material out there anymore?  Not in the slightest.  If she's joined the Christian faith, which looks down on porn, and she is actively trying to clean everything up I think that she should have some consideration.

 

I would ask people to consider a guy who took a job working for the government or enlisting in the military only to find out after getting past the propaganda realizing they can't stand that government.  Sure, depending on the job he'd have benefitted from tens of thousands, or if they had a security clearance, potentially millions of dollars spent to get him where he is at that time.  He could have potentially earned a substantial amount in benefits and pay during his contract.  We wouldn't view it as hypocritical of that guy to finish his contract and want to never work for the government again.  We wouldn't view it as hypocritical if he began actively advocating against what that government was doing.

 

Sure, one is a job that could have a significant impact on things in society and the other is just porn, but the main point is the same.  If anyone in porn wants out and is actively turning down royalties and by their actions showing that they want themselves as far from where they got their start as they can, then I think respecting their wishes is appropriate.  Turning down $15k a month is nothing to sniff at.  There's plenty of other porn stars out there who are actively and enthusiastically involved in the business.

 

I do think that it's unfortunate that she will never be able to remove her porn work going forward, but that's the nature of those kinds of agreements when you're in an industry where your image is going to be out there.  Keeping a mod private is a very small thing, but even porn stars and former porn stars should have some basic courtesy the same as anyone else would want.

[RedAuggie]

23 hours ago, mercplatypus said:

Is it completely unreasonable to think that she'd reach a point in her life where she's grown to greatly dislike the porn industry?  No, it isn't.  Is it truly hypocritical of her to make some serious life changes and realize she doesn't want that material out there anymore?  Not in the slightest.  If she's joined the Christian faith, which looks down on porn, and she is actively trying to clean everything up I think that she should have some consideration.

 

I would ask people to consider a guy who took a job working for the government or enlisting in the military only to find out after getting past the propaganda realizing they can't stand that government.  Sure, depending on the job he'd have benefitted from tens of thousands, or if they had a security clearance, potentially millions of dollars spent to get him where he is at that time.  He could have potentially earned a substantial amount in benefits and pay during his contract.  We wouldn't view it as hypocritical of that guy to finish his contract and want to never work for the government again.  We wouldn't view it as hypocritical if he began actively advocating against what that government was doing.

 

She has joined the Christian faith, however I believe she's gone beyond "trying to clean everything up." She's actively trying to inject her newfound morals into the porn industry going so far as to set up a booths and handing out Bibles at Adult expo events. I think if she truly wants to be as far away from the industry as possible she should consider not even being publicly involved in conversation about the porn industry. No matter what side of the table she is sitting at, she is still sitting at the table.

 

If Crissy Moran was walking away from a government job she probably wouldn't have left behind, what some would say, "a trail of moral destruction." A government job does not, in my opinion, generate images showcasing your image in compromised positions of a sexual nature. Not to mention that these types of images are known to live forever on the internet and this phenomenon was already well known when Crissy Moran started her career in 2001.

 

The legality of the situation is not an issue for me. I am not worried about finding myself up against a lawsuit for sharing images that are widely available at every corner of the internet.

 

I am trying to justify this morally. Should I be concerned with the wishes of an ex-porn star by doing my small part in stopping the continued spread of her content?

 

Even if my small part will probably result in no actual change whatsoever.

[mercplatypus]

I am not talking about the legality of this either.  Legally speaking she signed the paperwork and it doesn't matter because the paperwork is all legal.  This is all about morality.

 

From what I understand she works with a non profit that specializes in helping all women associated with the sex industry to leave the industry.  She also shares her testimony publicly to help others learn from her mistakes to help others not repeat those mistakes.    This is roughly the porn equivalent of a recovering junkie or alcoholic wanting to help other junkies and alcoholics clean themselves up and go sober.  What you are saying basically would boil down to saying that she shouldn't have anything at all to say about the matter because she was involved in it.  It's a standard we would not intelligently or reasonably hold for any woman forced into prostitution or for people who committed a serious crime at a young age and turned their lives around in prison.  The only meaningful difference is that her decisions she regrets involve material we can use to sexually gratify ourselves regardless of her wishes on the matter.

 

At the end of the day it really boils down to one question.  Are you the kind of person who thinks that you have an absolute right to exploit some one's biggest fuck up in their life forever regardless of their wishes for that fuck up to be removed from the internet solely because you can use it to provide yourself sexual gratification, or do you think she should be shown a little decency knowing full good and well that there are literally millions of other women out there proud to have that material that you can use for your purposes with no moral question at all.

 

The only reason we allow things to live forever in the internet is because humanity as a whole tends to be pretty awful at morality.  I say if she wants her images and videos and photos removed, the amount of revenue being generated can't be so much that it really matters to the $100 billion per year industry can't live without it.  I might have had a different perspective if we were talking about her making something last week, but we're talking about 20 years ago.