Can't Start Skyrim SE/AE, crashes before music + menu

[TajZ]

Hi, this is similar to my last thread.

 

i7-7700k @ 4.20ghz with 64GB ram and an 1080TI GTX card.

 

FNIS SE 7.6

SKSE 1.5.97

Bodyslide

 

FNIS doesn't even load any animations which could be my problem. Using MO2, it is telling me that my only Form 43 error is from Skyrim Utility Mod 2.60 SE. Here is my load order and I hope the papyrus log.

 

EditorPapyrus.0.log SE Loadorder - 6-10-23-3.44pm.txt

[Gh0sTG0]

Hi.

1) Form 43 error is overhyped, if that mod is marked as SE it should work on se (but there are 2 SE's now - 1 is 1.5.97, another one is .640. If you just install from steam it will install you .640 version of game. Yes even if you don't purchase that CC mods pack - it will upgrade base game code to .640 and it will req specific mods. Check if your mods are SE/AE versions or there are comments that they will work there)

2) Are you using SKSE 1.5.97 on downgraded version? Try to check your modlist if any of mods require specific version of them to work on SE, if no then use correct skse for .640 or what you have there.

3) Are you starting your fnis from mo2?

4) If everything is ok, you checked everything, there are no incompatibilities - try to install .net script framework or Crash Logger SSE AE VR - PDB support and post here logs it will generate.

 

PS and ofc wait for someone who is good in reading error logs from papyrus, so that maybe they can find the problem there.

Edited June 10, 2023 by Gh0sTG0

[LTD_LoneWolf]

24 minutes ago, Gh0sTG0 said:

Hi.

1) Form 43 error is overhyped, if that mod is marked as SE it should work on se (but there are 2 SE's now - 1 is 1.5.97, another one is .640. If you just install from steam it will install you .640 version of game. Yes even if you don't purchase that CC mods pack - it will upgrade base game code to .640 and it will req specific mods. Check if your mods are SE/AE versions or there are comments that they will work there)

2) Are you using SKSE 1.5.97 on downgraded version? Try to check your modlist if any of mods require specific version of them to work on SE, if no then use correct skse for .640 or what you have there.

3) Are you starting your fnis from mo2?

4) If everything is ok, you checked everything, there are no incompatibilities - try to install .net script framework or Crash Logger SSE AE VR - PDB support and post here logs it will generate.

 

PS and ofc wait for someone who is good in reading error logs from papyrus, so that maybe they can find the problem there.

 

38 minutes ago, TajZ said:

Hi, this is similar to my last thread.

 

i7-7700k @ 4.20ghz with 64GB ram and an 1080TI GTX card.

 

FNIS SE 7.6

SKSE 1.5.97

Bodyslide

 

FNIS doesn't even load any animations which could be my problem. Using MO2, it is telling me that my only Form 43 error is from Skyrim Utility Mod 2.60 SE. Here is my load order and I hope the papyrus log.

 

EditorPapyrus.0.log 31.76 kB · 1 download SE Loadorder - 6-10-23-3.44pm.txt 6.06 kB · 1 download

hey your load oder is way out out of wack realy off 

[LTD_LoneWolf]

41 minutes ago, TajZ said:

Hi, this is similar to my last thread.

 

i7-7700k @ 4.20ghz with 64GB ram and an 1080TI GTX card.

 

FNIS SE 7.6

SKSE 1.5.97

Bodyslide

 

FNIS doesn't even load any animations which could be my problem. Using MO2, it is telling me that my only Form 43 error is from Skyrim Utility Mod 2.60 SE. Here is my load order and I hope the papyrus log.

 

EditorPapyrus.0.log 31.76 kB · 1 download SE Loadorder - 6-10-23-3.44pm.txt 6.06 kB · 1 download

heres a example of a proper order to help for 1.5.97 also try using this as a ref order to help sort your load order out a bit and if newer to modding dont use bruma or mods like it as they require alot more nowolege on how to generate lod and terrain to fit properly with normal world

my curent modlist.txt

[LTD_LoneWolf]

31 minutes ago, Gh0sTG0 said:

Hi.

1) Form 43 error is overhyped, if that mod is marked as SE it should work on se (but there are 2 SE's now - 1 is 1.5.97, another one is .640. If you just install from steam it will install you .640 version of game. Yes even if you don't purchase that CC mods pack - it will upgrade base game code to .640 and it will req specific mods. Check if your mods are SE/AE versions or there are comments that they will work there)

2) Are you using SKSE 1.5.97 on downgraded version? Try to check your modlist if any of mods require specific version of them to work on SE, if no then use correct skse for .640 or what you have there.

3) Are you starting your fnis from mo2?

4) If everything is ok, you checked everything, there are no incompatibilities - try to install .net script framework or Crash Logger SSE AE VR - PDB support and post here logs it will generate.

 

PS and ofc wait for someone who is good in reading error logs from papyrus, so that maybe they can find the problem there.

like ghost said form 43 is not acualy a issue on se as se can handle form 15 - form 44

although form 15 through form 41 will want a conversion of somekind as the esp is fine but the scripts and/or textures wont be on anything less than form 42 for 1.5.97 also in terms of scripts form 43 is the newest se 1.5.97 can handle dependingon mod

[LTD_LoneWolf]

for scripts se can handle form 43 at oldest not newest my bad

[pinky6225]

1 hour ago, TajZ said:

Hi, this is similar to my last thread.

 

i7-7700k @ 4.20ghz with 64GB ram and an 1080TI GTX card.

 

FNIS SE 7.6

SKSE 1.5.97

Bodyslide

 

FNIS doesn't even load any animations which could be my problem. Using MO2, it is telling me that my only Form 43 error is from Skyrim Utility Mod 2.60 SE. Here is my load order and I hope the papyrus log.

 

EditorPapyrus.0.log 31.76 kB · 2 downloads SE Loadorder - 6-10-23-3.44pm.txt 6.06 kB · 3 downloads

 

If the issue is as the thread title describes, crashing before the menu even appears (on the beth logo prolly) then your missing a dependancy for another mod, running SSEdit with everything selected (or checking you have the requirements for each mod manually) would be the first point of call to work out what your missing

 

If you are making it ingame and making a character and animations aren't loading etc then posting the full FNIS report would be helpful to work out whats going on

[TajZ]

18 hours ago, Gh0sTG0 said:

Hi.

1) Form 43 error is overhyped, if that mod is marked as SE it should work on se (but there are 2 SE's now - 1 is 1.5.97, another one is .640. If you just install from steam it will install you .640 version of game. Yes even if you don't purchase that CC mods pack - it will upgrade base game code to .640 and it will req specific mods. Check if your mods are SE/AE versions or there are comments that they will work there)

2) Are you using SKSE 1.5.97 on downgraded version? Try to check your modlist if any of mods require specific version of them to work on SE, if no then use correct skse for .640 or what you have there.

3) Are you starting your fnis from mo2?

4) If everything is ok, you checked everything, there are no incompatibilities - try to install .net script framework or Crash Logger SSE AE VR - PDB support and post here logs it will generate.

 

PS and ofc wait for someone who is good in reading error logs from papyrus, so that maybe they can find the problem there.

1) all my mods should be using the SE equivalent

2) I am using SKSE 1.5.97 after using downgrade patcher from AE .640.

3) yes, also TESVSGM, BodySlide, CreationKit and SSEedit

 

18 hours ago, LTD_LoneWolf said:

heres a example of a proper order to help for 1.5.97 also try using this as a ref order to help sort your load order out a bit and if newer to modding dont use bruma or mods like it as they require alot more nowolege on how to generate lod and terrain to fit properly with normal world

my curent modlist.txt 5.02 kB · 0 downloads

I used Loot from MO2 to sort my plugins, not sure what is happening there.

CrashLogger.log

[LTD_LoneWolf]

3 minutes ago, TajZ said:

1) all my mods should be using the SE equivalent

2) I am using SKSE 1.5.97 after using downgrade patcher from AE .640.

3) yes, also TESVSGM, BodySlide, CreationKit and SSEedit

 

I used Loot from MO2 to sort my plugins, not sure what is happening there.

CrashLogger.log 462 B · 0 downloads

The order in wich textures and scripts are loading is off from yor list u sent

 

[LTD_LoneWolf]

Just now, LTD_LoneWolf said:

The order in wich textures and scripts are loading is off from yor list u sent

 

Aslo loot doestnt sor loverslab mods that well those u need to manualy sort after running loot and redate the plug-ins and go into sse edit and solve conflicts manualy

[TajZ]

....ok, I just opened the CrashLogger and it doesn not show a crash{timestamp} in my SKSE at Documents/My Games/Skyrim Special Edition/SKSE

[TajZ]

2 minutes ago, LTD_LoneWolf said:

Aslo loot doestnt sor loverslab mods that well those u need to manualy sort after running loot and redate the plug-ins and go into sse edit and solve conflicts manualy

Ok, will recheck.

[LTD_LoneWolf]

All loverslab esps should load after all other nexus esp and all loverlab esm should load after patches like ussep but before all other nexus mods esms

[LTD_LoneWolf]

11 minutes ago, LTD_LoneWolf said:

All loverslab esps should load after all other nexus esp and all loverlab esm should load after patches like ussep but before all other nexus mods esms

Also since u are using bruma u will need to generate your own lod textures also but only when your load order and conflicts are sorted out

[TajZ]

Ok here is my load order today, I think I have it right in terms of LL after Nexus but it still won't load.

 

loadorder 8-20-23.22.35.txt

[lisander68]

5 hours ago, TajZ said:

Ok here is my load order today, I think I have it right in terms of LL after Nexus but it still won't load.

 

loadorder 8-20-23.22.35.txt 4.44 kB · 1 download

The skse you are using is incorrect. If you reverted Skyrim to 1.5.97, its skse must be 2.0.20

(I'll never understand why downgrade)

 

https://skse.silverlock.org

 

Also, the order of LOOT is incorrect. Instead of launching it via MO2, do it directly from the program and you'll see the difference. LOOT places Alternative Start as the latest mod in the load order

[TajZ]

Alright, so I did a completely clean install, removed from Steam folder, My Games, and Registry, etc. I even stopped using MO2 because I could not for the life of me get it to work. Went straight Anniversary 1.640 build and DID NOT downgrade or upgrade to last week's update. I can start the game and even get to the opening sequence but Alternate Start mod will not start properly (infinite black screen, music w/o menu options). Here is my LO currently, which needs some work and some of my mods are not activating on the mod list.

loadorder 1-22-24.txt

[Guest]

TajZ, I bow to your resilience, considering that the topic has been started 06/10/23.

 

Maybe some of this will ease your pain. I decided to add links to useful utilities that make it easier to find the cause of errors.

 

Trainwreck - A Crash Logger

Crash Logger SSE AE VR + CLA SSE

NET Script Framework (before SE 1.6)

 

 

CrashLogger Reader

 

Edited January 24 by DXCinereus

[TajZ]

Sorry for the delay, IRL issues and honestly, BG3 just recently. So hereCrashLogger.log is the Crashlogger and the pics of the mods that refuse to "unable to locate." At the very least I want the Devious Skyrim/LL mods active. I have other documents in the SKSE Documents/ My Games/Skyrim SE folder if needed.

[TajZ]

.... Sorry, should have opened it first. It did infinite loading, logo with music but nothing else.

[TajZ]

Ok, Here is a crashlog with BetterQuestObjectives and Live A2024-02-15-19-57-09.lognother Life disabled. Here are some screens and my LO. 
  

Spoiler

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  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
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254 FE   3 ccbgssse005-goldbrand.esl
254 FE   4 ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl
254 FE   5 ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl
254 FE   6 ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl
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254 FE   c ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl
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254 FE  10 ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl
254 FE  11 ccbgssse035-petnhound.esl
254 FE  12 ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl
254 FE  13 cceejsse002-tower.esl
254 FE  14 ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl
254 FE  15 ccvsvsse002-pets.esl
254 FE  16 ccbgssse037-curios.esl
254 FE  17 ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl
254 FE  18 ccbgssse045-hasedoki.esl
254 FE  19 ccbgssse008-wraithguard.esl
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254 FE  23 ccbgssse052-ba_iron.esl
254 FE  24 ccbgssse054-ba_orcish.esl
254 FE  25 ccbgssse058-ba_steel.esl
254 FE  26 ccbgssse059-ba_dragonplate.esl
254 FE  27 ccbgssse061-ba_dwarven.esl
254 FE  28 ccpewsse002-armsofchaos.esl
254 FE  29 ccbgssse041-netchleather.esl
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254 FE  2f ccbgssse056-ba_silver.esl
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254 FE  31 ccbgssse053-ba_leather.esl
254 FE  32 ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail.esl
254 FE  33 ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim.esl
254 FE  34 ccbgssse066-staves.esl
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254 FE  35 ccbgssse068-bloodfall.esl
254 FE  36 ccbgssse069-contest.esl
254 FE  37 ccvsvsse003-necroarts.esl
254 FE  38 ccvsvsse004-beafarmer.esl
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254 FE  39 ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl
254 FE  3a ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl
254 FE  3b ccrmssse001-necrohouse.esl
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254 FE  3f cccbhsse001-gaunt.esl
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 18 12     RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
 19 13     BSHeartland.esm
 20 14     BS_DLC_patch.esp
 21 15     CompanionArissa.esm
 22 16     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 23 17     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
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 30 1e     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
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 34 22     Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
 35 23     SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
 36 24     Immersive Wenches.esp
           Immersive Wenches RRR-patch.esp
 37 25     Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
 38 26     RaceMenu.esp
 39 27     RaceMenuHH.esp
 40 28     RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp
 41 29     Skyland Watercolor - Slow Green-Vanilla.esp
254 FE  42 SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp
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254 FE  43 MajesticMountains.esp
 43 2b     BlendedRoads.esp
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254 FE  45 OreIngotsFadingsignal.esp
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 46 2e     Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
 47 2f     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
 48 30     GreatWarSkyrim.esp
 49 31     Cutting Room Floor.esp
 50 32     Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
 51 33     S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp
 52 34     Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
 53 35     Devious Devices - BRRF.esp
           Devious Devices For Him.esp
 54 36     xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
 55 37     MilkModNEW.esp
 56 38     MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancy.esp
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 59 3b     icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
 60 3c     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 61 3d     Point The Way.esp
 62 3e     Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
254 FE  47 HappyLittleTrees.esp
 63 3f     ArcheryDummyXP.esp
254 FE  48 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
 64 40     AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
 65 41     ViewableFactionRanks.esp
254 FE  49 AreYouThereSE.esp
 66 42     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 67 43     dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
 68 44     dD-Larger Drips.esp
           SC Great War - ELFX.esp
           ELFXEnhancer.esp
254 FE  4a SkygazerMoonsSize.esp
 69 45     FurnitureMarkerSex.esp
 70 46     Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
 71 47     Lit Road Signs.esp
 72 48     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
 73 49     Cloaks.esp
 74 4a     OBIS SE.esp
254 FE  4b OBIS Female Mannequins Patch.esp
 75 4b     Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp
 76 4c     Immersive Weapons.esp
 77 4d     MoreNastyCritters.esp
 78 4e     Immersive Horses.esp
 79 4f     BosmerArmorMATY743.esp
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 80 50     Laura's Bondage Shop.esp
 81 51     Devious Cidhna.esp
 82 52     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
 83 53     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 84 54     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Dawnguard_Patch.esp
 85 55     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
 86 56     Populated Skyrim Civil War.esp
 87 57     SimpleSlavery.esp
 88 58     FNISSexyMove.esp
 89 59     FNIS.esp
 90 5a     FNISspells.esp
 91 5b     Gwelda Dawnguard Armor.esp
 92 5c     Gwelda Vampire.esp
 93 5d     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 94 5e     UNPKK SkimpyArmorReplacerNEW-SSE.esp
 95 5f     kuzak-bodyandstockings.esp
 96 60     Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
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 97 61     KS Hairdo's.esp
 98 62     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
 99 63     The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
100 64     SGEyebrows.esp
101 65     ImmersiveCheatMenu.esp
102 66     Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
103 67     Faction Crossbows.esp
104 68     Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
105 69     LeftHandRings.esp
254 FE  4e Ultimate Lingerie Collection 2 BHUNP.esp
106 6a     Cathedral Weathers.esp
254 FE  4f Cathedral Weather Godrays.esp
107 6b     NorthernGrass.esp
108 6c     Veydosebrom Regions.esp
254 FE  50 Arissa_DefaultBody+DialogFix.esp
109 6d     RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp
110 6e     BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
111 6f     Dawnguard Vampire.esp
           Dawnguard Vampire - SDE.esp
112 70     LPBards.esp
254 FE  51 BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
254 FE  52 BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp
254 FE  53 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
113 71     RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
114 72     RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
115 73     SLAnimLoader.esp
254 FE  54 Devious Devices SE patch.esp
116 74     AngrimApprentice.esp
117 75     Deviously Enslaved.esp
118 76     Skyland-AIO.esp
119 77     HoldBorderBanners.esp
120 78     BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp
121 79     OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
122 7a     Gwelda Red Riding Hood.esp
123 7b     Blush When Aroused.esp
124 7c     Cumshot.esp
254 FE  55 CumshotSL.esp
125 7d     Devious Devices - Equip.esp
126 7e     DD_Helpers.esp
127 7f     EstrusChaurus.esp
128 80     EstrusDwemer.esp
129 81     Serial Strip Merged.esp
130 82     SLAdventures.esp
131 83     SexLabDefeat.esp
132 84     SlaveTats.esp
133 85     SexLabMatchMaker.esp
134 86     BecomeABard.esp
135 87     LPBardsAndunielSSE.esp
254 FE  56 VISPatch_Anduniel_Songbook_SSE.esp
254 FE  57 Immersive Wenches -Become a Bard- Patch.esp
136 88     XPMSE.esp
137 89     SOSRaceMenu.esp
138 8a     Invisible Helmets.esp
139 8b     Invisible Hoods.esp
140 8c     dD Follower Escape.esp
141 8d     MilkModNEW CF.esp
142 8e     MilkModNEW HF.esp
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144 90     Better Vampires.esp
145 91     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
146 92     MoreDeviousStarts.esp
147 93     Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
254 FE  58 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
148 94     Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp
149 95     RealisticWaterTwo.esp
150 96     WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
151 97     AMatterOfTime.esp
152 98     RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
254 FE  59 Stale_Food_RND.esp