mod request Idea: Sexbound Lite

[Xirmous]

I was thinking about sexbound and its compatibility issues with FU and other creators content.

 

What if there was a middle ground mod that added the features purely in an immersive level without the heavy raunchy content? you could still have animated content, but in more ambiguous ways, like say, under bedsheets or behind tables or whatever, to hide the actual action, this way you might be able to just hack the sprite files already present into eluding to the act, rather than making an animation for every race out there.

 

[red3dred]

1 hour ago, Xirmous said:

I was thinking about sexbound and its compatibility issues with FU and other creators content.

 

What if there was a middle ground mod that added the features purely in an immersive level without the heavy raunchy content? you could still have animated content, but in more ambiguous ways, like say, under bedsheets or behind tables or whatever, to hide the actual action, this way you might be able to just hack the sprite files already present into eluding to the act, rather than making an animation for every race out there.

Two things to note:

1. The content incompatibilities are, mostly, on purpose. Big name mods don't want to be connected with Sexbound, and as such, prevent users from mixing both mods and having a integral experience, on purpose, to disincentivize using both mods at the same time. It's not just that we can't support such mods, it's that we as modders came to the agreement that, by rules of LoversLabs no less, we must respect all modders, and so if they choose not to have compatibility, it's their choice, and we gotta respect it, and "obey" it, as both users and modders here.
2. Two, you're asking to remove the "Sex" of Sexbound just to appease a group of unappeasable people, in hopes that you can keep a miniscule set of features for... and i can only assume, roleplay purposes? I've never walked into a McDonalds and asked for a burger with no patty, but i suppose some people want that kind of stuff...

I recommend against such direction, it's only a slippery slope. It's a lot of work to "Lite" the No-Sex-Bound, neutering the API, on purpose, is in essence not only a insane ask, it's made worse knowing it'd still be shunned, garner insults and attacks from people who want a reason to complain, until we get to the point where we've neutered No-Sex-Bound to the point where it doesn't even add anything anymore, and they'll surely still find it being installed as a reason to doxx and shame people in the FU Discord, and eventually write some new incompatibility.

[Xirmous]

1 hour ago, red3dred said:

Two things to note:

1. The content incompatibilities are, mostly, on purpose. Big name mods don't want to be connected with Sexbound, and as such, prevent users from mixing both mods and having a integral experience, on purpose, to disincentivize using both mods at the same time. It's not just that we can't support such mods, it's that we as modders came to the agreement that, by rules of LoversLabs no less, we must respect all modders, and so if they choose not to have compatibility, it's their choice, and we gotta respect it, and "obey" it, as both users and modders here.
2. Two, you're asking to remove the "Sex" of Sexbound just to appease a group of unappeasable people, in hopes that you can keep a miniscule set of features for... and i can only assume, roleplay purposes? I've never walked into a McDonalds and asked for a burger with no patty, but i suppose some people want that kind of stuff...

I recommend against such direction, it's only a slippery slope. It's a lot of work to "Lite" the No-Sex-Bound, neutering the API, on purpose, is in essence not only a insane ask, it's made worse knowing it'd still be shunned, garner insults and attacks from people who want a reason to complain, until we get to the point where we've neutered No-Sex-Bound to the point where it doesn't even add anything anymore, and they'll surely still find it being installed as a reason to doxx and shame people in the FU Discord, and eventually write some new incompatibility.

well... kind of the points to make here,

 

1. I'm not a modder so take my Ideas lightly.

 

2. The Idea is to make a universal mod that wouldn't require the involvement of the creators in question or even the "perversion" of their artwork. they wouldn't, in a sense, be          "connected" to it because the mod doesn't discriminate. the mod takes whatever NPC sprites available in the game and just does a copy/paste into the universal animations that would be made. they aren't associated because the mod is completely independent from them, and does not involve people personally making hardcore porn of their characters.

 

3. There is taste in the moderate level of sexual content. I'm not saying to remove the sex, just to make an alternate more subtle version.

 

4. I wouldn't call this a slippery slope. I'm not saying to remove the sex entirely, I'm not a puritan, of all things you'd be expanding upon the framework and adding more modularity so people can put exactly what they want in the game, if they want to go hardcore, that's perfectly fine, they should be able to, I'm not going to judge.

 

5. The main reason I'm suggesting this is because when I install a mod, I'd like it to be a full experience, I want to expand on the game as much as I can, and add more stuff. it ruins the experience when your mod doesn't work symbiotically with the others especially when its *best* expansion mod out there. Sexbound is kool, yea, but you have to jump through 50k jumps and hoops to get other compatibilities going. every mod installed brings the risk of breaking the game and makes trouble shooting even worse,

 

This is the problem with a lot of mods, not just sexbound. you make something that works under specific circumstances and when people expand upon it, it just results in a confusing mess of misc mods that may not even work with each other let alone other unrelated mods. The best mods are made universal, so that they can work with each other.

 

The way I imagine this is as a compromise so that the players, and creators can get more out of the game without discomfort or embarrassment, so that they don't have to screw with each other by making the mods deliberately conflict with each other.

 

Anyway... I just wanted to put the Idea out there, no one has to do it, but maybe someone would be interested in making it. I don't have the skills to do it myself. weather you like the idea or not I appreciate the input.

[red3dred]

Alright, lemme give you a legitimate response with the least amount of cynical responses and snarkyness;

 

11 hours ago, Xirmous said:

1. I'm not a modder so take my Ideas lightly.

This can be a problem a lot of the times. I will take your ideas lightly, but i will be discussing that the fact you do not know the aspects of what you're talking about, how difficult some of these features can be, and how they can miss the point even more than you might realize.
 

11 hours ago, Xirmous said:

2. The Idea is to make a universal mod that wouldn't require the involvement of the creators in question or even the "perversion" of their artwork. they wouldn't, in a sense, be          "connected" to it because the mod doesn't discriminate. the mod takes whatever NPC sprites available in the game and just does a copy/paste into the universal animations that would be made. they aren't associated because the mod is completely independent from them, and does not involve people personally making hardcore porn of their characters.

Okay, so, first thing that sticks out to me here, is that you're telling me pixel porn, that is smaller in detail than most emoji that currently exist in many websites, is "hardcore"... That's hard to swallow, i'll tell you that much.

Second point, from this quote, is that you're asking for people to make a mod that will work with every mod, without graphics, to add Sexbound features and sounds, without the animation. That will still be "just as hardcore" if not more, because instead of 50x by 50x pixels, you'll have your whole imagination to fill in the gaps. And mind you, NOTHING, will prevent the same modders currently adding incompatibilities, from doing the same to this Lite version, if not even more hostile boycott-ing since we're completely skipping over other creators and their consent.

It's all fine until you think of the other side of the coin, and you look up images of your race or content mod to see if people have been enjoying it, and Google only shows you a bunch of posts about fucking under the sheets in RP, or just under-the-sheets animations.

 

11 hours ago, Xirmous said:

3. There is taste in the moderate level of sexual content. I'm not saying to remove the sex, just to make an alternate more subtle version.

Not judging your taste, just saying it seems like beating around the bush, and trying to find an answer around the question of "How to introduce Sexbound without pissing off FU and other mods". The answer is, it's super easy, it's one patch and it all works together fine. I've tested, as much as i hate to even mention it. They just don't want it, sir. There is no actual incompatibility, there's only dummy files in FU, and a subset of NPC's that's entirely immune to Sexbound, seemingly on purpose. The only other incompatibility i know of is Defeat and FU, but that's because they both wanna overwrite the "damageTaken" script on NPCs. Can't help it there.

 

11 hours ago, Xirmous said:

4. I wouldn't call this a slippery slope. I'm not saying to remove the sex entirely, I'm not a puritan, of all things you'd be expanding upon the framework and adding more modularity so people can put exactly what they want in the game, if they want to go hardcore, that's perfectly fine, they should be able to, I'm not going to judge.

The API is actually pretty modular right now, as is, it just has really complex code that i personally cannot expand upon in the directions i would like. Locuturus is mostly quiet, in between many eternal hiatuses, and when they're around, they don't actually listen or read to their community one bit, run off and code several new features that break almost all existing expansion mods with a drip of remorse, and then drop it upon us, other content creators, and we have to update our work to be compatible with the API, without even as much as a changelog, or passing mention of certain modules being entirely rewritten.

I've been there a lot, and that by itself, is a slippery slope. A slippery slope refers to having to put in work, in what subsequentially will require you to put in even more work. Not for passion, not for enjoyment, but generally for someone else. That's the case with most modding ideas and requests. It's a unsatisfying and ungrateful work most of the time, but this is ranting way off your quote; In sum, You are saying not to remove sex entirely, just the graphics element of it. Yeah, i get it. It's still silly but i get it.

 

11 hours ago, Xirmous said:

5. The main reason I'm suggesting this is because when I install a mod, I'd like it to be a full experience, I want to expand on the game as much as I can, and add more stuff. it ruins the experience when your mod doesn't work symbiotically with the others especially when its *best* expansion mod out there. Sexbound is kool, yea, but you have to jump through 50k jumps and hoops to get other compatibilities going. every mod installed brings the risk of breaking the game and makes trouble shooting even worse,

Wanting stability and compatibility is, indeed, completely fair. We however, do not have the right to ask or demand it. While extremely arguable that "FU is the *best* expansion mod out there", it is defnitely the biggest, and that means if Sexbound is incompatible with it, people will indeed have to make the hard choice of one over the other. It's a pretty common thing, to make a choice. Not to poke at everyone who refuses to make that choice, but even if you just run both, i've not had major issues with it. The only issues are intentionally seeded by FU as mentioned before. That won't change even with a rework of the API to remove graphical elements. If anything it'll just piss them off more as they'll rant "they think they'll get away if they do this!".

Now let's take a look back at other mods. Borderlands Shields, Supper's Combat Overhaul, BK3K inventory. All of them work as is, work with several other mods (Last one even with FU) but, in the grand scheme of things, they cause issues on a lot of other ends. Borderlands Shields spews errors like a MF'er, i don't even know why, Supper's Combat Overhaul is incompatible with several things, both Sexbound and FU side, and BK3K's inventory is a one-way trip, old characters cannot be played with it installed, new characters cannot be used without it installed. It's always a choice in the end of the day, whether you want something so much, you'll sacrifice another chunk of mods. Always has been.

 

11 hours ago, Xirmous said:

This is the problem with a lot of mods, not just sexbound. you make something that works under specific circumstances and when people expand upon it, it just results in a confusing mess of misc mods that may not even work with each other let alone other unrelated mods. The best mods are made universal, so that they can work with each other.

While not exactly a 6, this also something fair, and i'll explain why very easily.

Most people don't know how to mod, well. Hell, i didn't know how to mod well for the longest time. I made mods for the API that required overwriting the scripts and modules for them to work, so any other submod that touched the same scripts would obviously conflict. But they didn't because nobody else touched those scripts. The reason why things like Lustbound, now for instance, are currently busted is not because the mod itself isn't getting update, i personally updated it and shared it in it's thread so it'd work almost perfectly with the latest API. It doesn't because Locuturus fucked with it, by adding "Lustbound" to the list of "includes" of Sexbound, thus making it load before Sexbound, and removing any functionality that is patched in. This is, again, nothing to do with incompatibilities, this is a intentional action for a modder purposefully breaking something.

 

11 hours ago, Xirmous said:

The way I imagine this is as a compromise so that the players, and creators can get more out of the game without discomfort or embarrassment, so that they don't have to screw with each other by making the mods deliberately conflict with each other.

And i think honestly, this is the saddest point. As much as i ragged on to your previous points with examples, this? This is the mood. I wish i didn't have to make content thinking of FU, otherwise my mod will get flamed in the workshop, or the people will spam "breaks FU" or "is this FU compatable" every monday. Being branded like that fucks with your mod massively, as users who enjoy one will most likely not even try yours. And as a race creator, aswell, i wish i didn't have to worry about people stealing our assets to make vore fat mods without as much as a passing glance of a mention, a word. Hell, we wouldn't care, we're all degenerates, but at least have some sympathy!

But no, the world is not perfect, and we have several social worries about all these things, concerns, and bothers. And as much as i hate FU's team at times, they are at least people too (I think), and as such have about as many worries and concerns, nuisances as they may seem, to such large mods. We all worry over what we make, whether it's how it'll be received, how much we care for it, how much work we wanna put in, and how much we wanna protect it as a creator. Some are more possessive than others, but ultimately, everyone's entitled to at least be credited for their work, to be mentioned when it's used into a submod. And skipping such manners because "Someone else wanted this experience" is a gut-punch i wish upon no-one.

 

... oof, i think i typed long enough. My meal's cold and i'm seeing fireflies from all the white-on-black text i've been staring at all this time. If you've bothered to read up to here, thanks a lot for your patience. I wouldn't mind there being a Sexbound Lite too, just think removing graphical elements won't solve the issue you have. Hopefully that's a good enough TL;DR for anyone else, and sorry i may have been a bit hostile or cynical. It's hard not to be heated when users want to go over creators on such matters, but alas, you bothered to make it clear you're not a modder, so no hard feelings, tried to explain things as well as i could. Peace.

Edited March 2, 2022 by red3dred
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