MBP and Colourwheels

[stupidgaijin]

I got the MBP AOI installed and it seems to be working except for the known issues with Chanpon.  However, I've noticed there's a conflict with Colourwheels Sexy Overhaul.  Colourwheels changes the Female Argonians to look more human like, but with MBP, the eyes bulge out of the sockets.  CSO was one of the first mods I installed and I can't find an easy way to uninstall or at least overwrite the Argonians to be MBP friendly.  So far I haven't had any issues with female Orcs since Colourwheels changed those too.  I tried just deactivating CSO and starting a new game but the issue remains.  This is my current Load Order.  Any help would be appreciated.

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  x117race.esm
03  Chanpon.esm
04  Lovers with PK.esm
05  LoversCreature.esm
06  nVidia Black Screen Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
08  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
09  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]
0C  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
0D  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
0E  DLCHorseArmor.esp
0F  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
10  DLCOrrery.esp
11  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
12  DLCVileLair.esp
13  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
14  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
15  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
16  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
17  ElvenPrincess.esp
18  FLY Armor and Clothing - Non-replacers.esp
19  FLY Armor and Clothing - NR Leveled Lists.esp
1A  Full Metal Bikini Mark II.esp
1B  HTBShopInABottle.esp
1C  R18PN - Lingeries.esp
1D  R18PN - Lingeries Plus.esp
1E  R18PN - Schatten lauf Amr.esp
1F  Dark_Mistress.esp
20  DLCThievesDen.esp
21  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
22  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
23  HentaiLovelyHouse.esp
24  Tona's_ModsStore.esp
25  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
26  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
27  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
28  DLCFrostcrag.esp
29  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
2A  Knights.esp
2B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
**  SW01.esp
**  SWalk.esp
2C  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
2D  IDKRRR_C_race.esp
2E  Chocolate Elves.esp
2F  SurCoatArmor.esp
30  zzContainerTrap English.esp
31  SwordDancerRemodel.esp
32  LoversFSE.esp
33  zzEstrus.esp
34  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
35  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
36  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
37  LoversVoiceSSPx117.esp
38  LoversRaperS.esp
39  LoversJoburg.esp
3A  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 90]
3B  LoversCreature.esp
3C  Cute Summer Wears.esp
3D  LoversHooker.esp  [Version 2.2]
3E  AutoSetBody.esp
3F  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
40  SetBody.esp
41  DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
**  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
42  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
43  x117race.esp
++  x117Race ENG Race.esp
44  Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp
**  Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp
45  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: 1em_Vilja.esp
46  LoversMB2.esp
47  Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
48  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
49  Lovers3dorgasm.esp
**  DMRA BBB Complete Clothing and Armor Replacer.esp
4A  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
4B  FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
4C  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]
4D  DHuntress.esp

 

[gregathit]

When you deactivated colourwheel's overhaul did you rebuild your bashed patch?  If you didn't then that is why you still have issues.

 

Right now you currently have a couple of issues you need to address:

45  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: 1em_Vilja.esp

 

To fix the above you will need to move both Vilja and FuroGen up above your bashed patch.

 

 

I recommend disabling colourwheels overhaul and then rebuilding your bashed patch.  See if that doesn't fix it up for you when you start a new game......Oh and remember to disable all lovers esm\esp files before rebuilding your bashed patch too!

[Contessa]

I solved the issue by rebuilding my bashed patch while excluding anything related to Colourwheel's Sexy Oblivion Overhaul, then loading it AFTER my bashed patch in the load order. That is the only way I've discovered to solve this.

[stupidgaijin]

Thanks Contessa.  Every time I tried to rebuild the patch, CSOO would reactivate until I moved it below the batch patch.  Now no more buggy-eyed Argonians, but a lot more ugly old women.  Wish there was a way for MBP and Colourwheels to co-exist since I loved the female guards and the women were much better looking.

Thanks Gregathit.  Wasn't sure where to put those. 

[gregathit]

If you have old uglies then you might try installing this: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/5288

I have it installed and run it way up at the top of my load order, of course it is built into my bashed patch.

 

My current LO:

 

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Kaleah.esm  [Version 1.0]
02  Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esm  [Version 1.0]
03  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
05  CURP_Controller.esm
06  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
07  x117race.esm
08  Lovers with PK.esm
09  LoversCreature.esm
0A  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0B  Toaster Says Share v3.esm
0C  BreakUndies.esm
0D  HorseCombatMaster.esm
0E  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.2.3]
**  Oblivion Vwalk.esp
0F  Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp  [Version 1.0]
10  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
11  Idle Dialogue.esp
12  Arena_Ring_V2.esp
++  NoGuildmasterKick.esp
13  Living Economy.esp
14  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
15  Streamline 3.1.esp
16  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]
17  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]
18  DLCHorseArmor.esp
19  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1A  DLCSpellTomes.esp
1B  Slof's Boners! v5.esp
1C  superSP_fatigue_restore_ring.esp
1D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
1E  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]
1F  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]
20  KvatchAftermath.esp
21  KnightlyArmory.esp
22  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]
23  TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp
24  300_KillTheDB.esp
25  Hentai Mania.esp
26  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp
27  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp
28  Oblivion Gate Standard 1_2.esp
29  WSL_Redone.esp
2A  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
2B  DLCFrostcrag.esp
2C  Knights.esp
2D  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]
2E  HoarfrostCastle.esp
2F  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++  EDI - Aggression Fix.esp
30  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
31  Walkabout.esp
32  Rascals Rest Cave.esp
33  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
34  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp
35  FightersGuildContracts.esp
36  Dremora Churl Addon.esp
37  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]
38  P1DKeyChainSI Merged.esp
39  Colourwheels Sexy Ayelid Shrine.esp
3A  Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp
3B  Oblivion Gate Closer Spell V2.esp
3C  RestoreAllAttributesSpell.esp
3D  BudongsNarcolepsySpell.esp
3E  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
3F  zzEstrus.esp
40  SetEssentialActors.esp
41  SetBody.esp
42  AinmhiRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
**  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
43  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
44  Real_Mannequin.esp
45  From2ch Lives.esp
46  Ta22's 01Army.esp
47  117NPCs.esp
48  From2ch Lives Boss.esp
49  F2LHideRaces.esp
4A  F2LAddon_MSElves.esp
4B  FutaPriory.esp
4C  F2LMiqoteAddon.esp
4D  DKImperials.esp
4E  CompanionshipRing.esp
4F  KW-AlliesPlayNicer.esp
50  Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion OverHaul.esp
51  ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.esp
52  ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp
53  SMYB Female Only.esp
54  Smarter Bandits.esp
55  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
56  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
57  LoversBed.esp
58  LoversRaperS.esp
59  LoversJoburg.esp
5A  LoversBiko.esp
5B  LoversProstitute.esp  [Version 0.25a]
5C  LoversClubCats.esp
5D  LoversClubCatsSx.esp
5E  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96]
5F  LoversPayBandit.esp
60  LoversCreature.esp
61  LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
62  LoversMB2.esp
63  LoversStupidNpc.esp
64  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
65  LSTBravilUnderground.esp
66  Nitiren's Genji Armor2.esp
++  HGEC Kajiits.esp
++  Slof's Manly Stride.esp
67  Ahtata Arquamer female got hair.esp
68  MadCompanionshipSpells.esp  [Version 2.5]
69  MCS extension.esp
6A  zBUArmors.esp
6B  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]
6C  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.2.3]
6D  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.2.1]
6E  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
**  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.2.3]
6F  Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp  [Version 4.8.4]
**  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.9.0]
70  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
71  Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp
**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk.esp
**  Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0 Vwalk.esp
**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp
**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp
**  Knights Vwalk.esp
**  HoarfrostCastle Vwalk.esp
**  Hentai Mania Vwalk.esp
**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
**  Vampire Hunting - Order Of The Virtuous Blood Vwalk.esp
**  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts Vwalk.esp
**  ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp
**  Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp
**  Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp
72  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
73  xeosp++.esp
74  xeosp++ Vwalk.esp
75  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
76  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
77  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
78  Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

 

I don't have any old uglies, well except for a few vampires but that is a whole other ball of wax that I have just been too lazy to fix.

[stupidgaijin]

Thanks.  Though I have no idea how to add a file to a bashed patch.  When I try to rebuild it, it only has the MBP files and Robert's Males.  Do I just leave it active when I rebuild it or do I need to do something else? 

Also, is it my install or is there an issue with the eyes on the x107 and x110 races?  They are sunk into the skull.  I don't use them so it's not an issue, just wondering.

Thanks again.

 

Edit: I didn't add textures for the Diablo Elves when I installed MBP since I wasn't going to use the race.  But I want to make sure that if I run any mods that require MBP that they show up correctly.  Is it OK to overwrite the existing esp with the OMOD I have for the race.  OMM gave me the scary warning and I just want to make sure.  Sorry for the questions.

[stupidgaijin]

Gregathit, just noticed looking through your load order, you have Colourwheels Sexy Oblivion Overhaul running with MBP.  How do you do that without getting the bug-eyed Argonians?  I really miss all those female guards. 

Edit: I think I just need to reactivate CSOO after I build the batch patch.  Is that right?

[gregathit]

Reactivating it won't help as the bashed patch will just over ride it.  Instead do one of two things:

1. Deactivate CSO completely and rebuild your bashed patch.  Then activate it again and see if you are good.

2. If that doesn't work then just move CSO down underneath your bashed patch and then try again.

[stupidgaijin]

Currently I have CSO deactivated.  I moved it below the bashed patch and rebuilt it so I now have Vanilla Argonians with normal eyes.  I haven't tried reactivating it since I figured MBP and CSO don't play well together hence the old ugly women I had after rebuilding the patch.  I'll try reactivating it and see if it works. 

 

Edit: I reactivated CSO and currently have it last in my load order just to test.  I now have female guards and no more uglies.  Argonians are from CSO which is fine, at least no more bug eyes.  I downloaded the mod you recommended but I haven't activated it since I didn't know how to add it to the bashed patch.  But everything seems to be working great. Thanks again.

Edit: One weird bug I found was one of the CSO female guards turned into a male during a Jorsburg event.  It was disturbing to see him doing female masturbation animation.  Never saw that before.  CSO is currently last just to see if it worked so I'll try moving it up to around where you have it and see if it works.

 

A side question not really related.  I have the FLY non-replacer armor mod with level list.  Is there a way to trigger it, maybe through an ini edit,  so that x117 races use armor and clothes from that instead of stock?  After seeing your mod list, I downloaded the 2ch Lives mod and now I have x117s running around with DMRA armor.  I'm 99.99% sure you can't but had to ask.

 

Sorry for all the questions. 

[stupidgaijin]

Yet another update.  I moved CSO above the bash patch.  I noticed that Quill-Weave in Anvil was vanilla-style Argonian with MBP hair I think yet the mother and daughter in Chorral were CSO Argonians.  This also happened with CSO at the bottom of the load order.  This was from both my current save and a save from before leaving the sewers.  Not a problem since neither of them had bulging eyes but interesting.  I wonder if it's tied to the earlier issue where CSO guards have a sex change during Lovers animation.

[gregathit]

You can have x117's wear any armor you want, however you'll have to specify it inside the esp files.

[stupidgaijin]

I've never done anything like that and wouldn't know where to start.  I don't even have the CS.  It's not a big deal, just weird seeing buxom x117s running around. 

 

Edit: I think I have an idea about why the guards were having sex changes and it has to do with AutoSetBody.  It thinks they are men because they were before reactivating CSO so it gave them male bodies.  I'll try deactivating, make a clean save and then reactivate it and see if that fixes it.  No idea on why some Argonians are Vanilla and some CSO though.

[stupidgaijin]

OK.  I figured I'd try to fix the sex changing guards by deactivating AutoSetBody and of course CSO, move CSO below the bash patch, rebuild the bash, reactivate CSO below the bash patch and start a new game, then reapply AutoSetBody so that it would know that those guards are female.  Since I was rebuilding the bash which means I need to deactivate the Lovers plugins, I was curious how MBP races would work with Claudia's Little Secret.

 

Well, the first time I tried, I couldn't select hairs or eye color for MBP races. The first time I had the FLY armor replacer active since the leveled list part showed that it was mergable.  So I tried again, but this time deactivating FLY, same thing. 

 

I went back and had ASB active and CSO and VToy deactive, rebuild bash and launched a new game without CSO active and then I could select hairs and eye color. But I know you can have CSO active during the character select screen with a new game because I've done it before.  That how I first ended up with the bug-eyed Argonians. 

 

This is getting frustrating.  What am I doing wrong when rebuilding the bash patch?  Sometimes I get hair for MBP races and sometimes I don't.  I know it's not just CLS because it's happened before with it deactivated. I know I need to have CSO deactivated and below the bash patch when building a bash patch to avoid the bug-eyed Argonians but other than that I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

I want my beautiful (for Oblivion standards) women and female guards but I don't want the guards having male bodies and using female animations.  And I want my MBP races.  I'm not interested in getting CSO and MBP working together at the moment, maybe when the Gold Edition is out of beta but for now I don't need it.  I probably just need to decide if I want CSO with sex-changing guards so I can have good-looking NPCs or male guards and some fugly women since I still haven't figured out how to build the mod linked above to a bash patch.

 

Sorry for all  the problems and questions.  Thanks.

 

Sorry for all the trouble.

[gregathit]

CLS won't use MBP as nothing in the esp\esm is setup to make calls on it.  MBP is not a "replacer" plugin.  It is a passive plugin.  Think of MBP as a resource or a holding tank.  It sits there doing nothing except letting other plugins (esm or esp files) pull its resources out to use them. 

 

Now CSO is different.  It is both a replacer on somethings and an addon to other things. 

 

Now CLS is also a different animal.  It is more or less self contained.  It has its own bodies\hairs\eyes\clothes and so on.  If you start trying to change things in it then you most likely will break it.  CLS Gold currently doesn't work with lovers (based on numerous reports).

[stupidgaijin]

Like I said, I'm not really interested in CLS.  Just wanted to see if I could use my MBP character with it.  No big deal.  I already played through it once.

 

Currently have everything running fine except for the sex-changing guards.  All the MBP races from the 2ch Lives mods show up fine, I have my Elf so other than the guard issue, I think I got it fixed.  The only think I can think of is run around and cast SetBody on every guard.  Funny thing though is that when I do, it shows the available female bodies.  I'll take this over there and see if anyone can help me with that.  Still confused about how sometimes MBP doesn't work during the character create screen on a new game, but I got my character so I'm good.

 

BTW, can I still run the Diablo 6-in-1 OMOD?  Do I just let it overwrite and ignore the scary warning?

[gregathit]

I am as confused as you are on the sex changing guards.  None of my colourwheel guards are like that at all. 

 

As to the Diablo OMOD, beats me, I don't use it so I don't know if it will screw anything up or not.  Sorry.  Only thing I can tell you is to either create a backup first or turn the thing into a bain install with Wrye Bash as it has a roll back feature to remove it and restore the original stuff if things do go wrong.

[stupidgaijin]

OK. Thanks.  I'll leave the Diablo Elves alone for now.  Never done a bain install so I don't want to risk messing something up at this point.  I posted the issue over on the AutoSetBody topic to see if gerra6 or anyone else knows what's going on. 

Again thanks for everything.  Really enjoying MBP especially with 2ch lives.  Brings a lot more variety and life to Oblivion.  I guess we can mark this topic solved except for the guard issue.

Thanks again.

[stupidgaijin]

OK, looks like I got the sex change issue resolved.  I needed to deactivate both AutoSetBody and SetBody since SetBody also sets the token for each.  So even with AutoSetBody deactivated, SetBody was still giving those guards male tokens.  So now I can do my "Happy Dance"

[gregathit]

Ok, that 'sorta' makes more sense.  I did not know of anything in MBP or CSO that would cause the guards to have sex changes.  You might mention this over in the Setbody thread so Gerra6 can look into it to see if there might be an issue with the Setbody plugin.

[stupidgaijin]

Already did.  It was Gerra6 who told me about that over there.  Haven't given it a thorough test yet.  Tried with a Estrus explosion spell but they all kept their armors on but the two or three neglecting their duties to get it on through Jorsburg did have female bodies .  So ya, problem solved.

Thanks again for all the help.  Couldn't have gotten it working without you.