I think the problem might indeed related to those who occurred in the bet game, but not for the reasons you believe.

If what I read is accurate, you believe the problem is disrespecting Princes wishes in regard of sex games. Of course this would upset him, but the problem here isn't there.

The problem would be the same it was when you wrote you risked yourself to give blowjobs in the middle of a group of perfect strangers.
The same than when you had to prevent that girl who loved Ivy to suicide herself after having sex with her.
The same when you start joking about Zdenka having relations with Prince in front of Marko :
you did not think that people considered sex in a different way than you do. For a lot of (most ?) people, having sex relation with another means love. And that love can be exclusive. And that mean that having or even just proposing sex to them would break something with the person they really love, or with the person who they whished to love by having sex with her/he.

Thus, while implying a son and his mother in law could be willing to have sex together would be a bad joke with monogamous people, the doubt it creates with people much more liberal with sex might do a lot of damage. I'm afraid of the possible damage towards Marko.

To sum-up the problem : Ivy and you seem to fail to anticipate what people you involve into sex/sex jokes will think about it. It's a matter of empathy. It can be worked on.

That aside, I am impressed Prince found the strength to forgive Ivy as fast as he did. She might have done a lot of damage. :/

I think the problem might indeed related to those who occurred in the bet game, but not for the reasons you believe.

Thank you for your observation Triloque.

I agree with you at some points, and yet, I disagree with others. I agree with you with (quote): "you did not think that people considered sex in a different way than you do."  You've right. Ivy and I still must learn (and we do) that our perception of sex if 99% different from most of the people. That's something that, as I said previously, Ivy and I have to learn. Prince, Ivy and I distinguish the sex with others from our sex.  Sex with others for us involves only fun and psychical satisfaction; nothing else, but when three of us have sex with each other than it's out of love. Prince and I both wrote about it in our diaries.

I disagree with you in the points when you said that our disrespecting Prince isn't about his sex desire. I clumsy used the word "disrespect". I should rather say: Ivy and I see the things related to sex mostly different then our Prince although there a lot of things we have in common and it's related to my upper argument.  before he met Ivy and me, he almost had no sex in public. For us, it's quite normal, for him, it's still uncomfortable although he is more open now.

As for the Marko & Zdenka, YES, WE WERE WRONG AND STUPID.  We wrongly estimated that we could "connect" my Prince and her together. We believed we could because we didn't know Marko and Zdenka well before our wedding. Ivy was never close to her parents and they were never close to her. They were almost the strangers who lived in the same house. When that changed, Ivy and thought we might put them together. Well, it was terrible mistake no matter how careful Ivy was when "testing the area" and regardless her mom's compliment for Prince that he is handsome and she wouldn't mind to have sex with him. Her words encouraged us to try it and we failed because we oversaw and/or ignored very important detail - Marko is against it. I don't know if you red my blog in which I wrote about my Prince went crazy for the tall, long legged Bosnian girl that was visitor in our Hotel. Ivy and I tried to help him having the sex with her, but she didn't find him attractive at all. You see, again, as I said. We have no problem if any of us fuck with others because we know that there aren't any "attachment" to that person except the lust, good time, satisfaction and sex desire. The three of us are attached to each other, emotionally, physically and mentally. We are addicted to each other.

So, the worst thing in all this mess wasn't our mistake in trying to put them together although it was terrible mistake, but for neglecting Prince's wish to stop and give it up when he told us (3x) to drop it.  We believed we were doing something good for him, but we were blind and stuipid. In all other areas, we respect his wishes and desires.

I hope I managed to stress my point.

 

I think the problem might indeed related to those who occurred in the bet game, but not for the reasons you believe.

 

I disagree with you in the points when you said that our disrespecting Prince isn't about his sex desire. I clumsy used the word "disrespect". I should rather say: Ivy and I see the things related to sex mostly different then our Prince although there a lot of things we have in common and it's related to my upper argument.  before he met Ivy and me, he almost had no sex in public. For us, it's quite normal, for him, it's still uncomfortable although he is more open now.

 

(...)  Marko is against it. I don't know if you red my blog in which I wrote about my Prince went crazy for the tall, long legged Bosnian girl that was visitor in our Hotel. Ivy and I tried to help him having the sex with her, but she didn't find him attractive at all. You see, again, as I said. We have no problem if any of us fuck with others because we know that there aren't any "attachment" to that person except the lust, good time, satisfaction and sex desire. The three of us are attached to each other, emotionally, physically and mentally. We are addicted to each other.

 

So, the worst thing in all this mess wasn't our mistake in trying to put them together although it was terrible mistake, but for neglecting Prince's wish to stop and give it up when he told us (3x) to drop it.  We believed we were doing something good for him, but we were blind and stuipid. In all other areas, we respect his wishes and desires.

 

I hope I managed to stress my point.

If I understand what you're writing, you think the point is about ignoring Princes wishes in the area.

My point is that is only the tip of the iceberg : of course, Prince Ivy and you do not see sex with other people as more than good time, that can be shared. But, my guess is Prince did think about how Mark would feel about that. My guess is he did think about how Zdenka would feel about that. And as he respects both Marko and Zdenka, and didn't want to damage his relationship with them, he did not wish to further investigate the possibilities. 

That's where Ivy failed, in my opinion. She didn't take in account Marko (and possibly Zdenka) perceptions. She failed to take in account the possible consequences on Prince and Marko & Zdenka's relationship. And that failure to consider sex's impact on involved person's behaviour and relation, I have read it three times before, all initiated by Ivy. She has treated Prince, Marko and Zdenka just like that girl on the market ; which shows the extent of the problem.

Learning « tact » is a matter of experience and empathy. But if she fails to spot she's lacking of it, then she might never correct it.

I'm only a nameless blogger on the web, and I still don't know what is certain or not. But I see a pattern, with each time damage on people involved. So even if I'm wrong on my information, or wrong on my perception... I wouldn't mind seeing things going for the best for you three.

 

 

 the problem might indeed related to those who occurred in the bet game, but not for the reasons you believe.

If I understand what you're writing, you think the point is about ignoring Princes wishes in the area.

 

My point is that is only the tip of the iceberg : of course, Prince Ivy and you do not see sex with other people as more than good time, that can be shared. But, my guess is Prince did think about how Mark would feel about that. My guess is he did think about how Zdenka would feel about that. And as he respects both Marko and Zdenka, and didn't want to damage his relationship with them, he did not wish to further investigate the possibilities. 

 

That's where Ivy failed, in my opinion. She didn't take in account Marko (and possibly Zdenka) perceptions. She failed to take in account the possible consequences on Prince and Marko & Zdenka's relationship. And that failure to consider sex's impact on involved person's behaviour and relation, I have read it three times before, all initiated by Ivy. She has treated Prince, Marko and Zdenka just like that girl on the market ; which shows the extent of the problem.

 

 

Learning « tact » is a matter of experience and empathy. But if she fails to spot she's lacking of it, then she might never correct it.

 

 

I'm only a nameless blogger on the web, and I still don't know what is certain or not. But I see a pattern, with each time damage on people involved. So even if I'm wrong on my information, or wrong on my perception... I wouldn't mind seeing things going for the best for you three.

 

EXACTLY, SO TRUE AND CORRECT!!!

Ivy and I failed in this are because we never cared about other people's opinion about our sex and sex with others. Prince always cared. I would never forget our first sex. He didn't fuck me, he made love to me, he "co-worked" with me and he was looking after my pleasure and comfort first. He showed me respect, love and gentleness. That's why I loved him even more after our first sex.

Ivy and I are in process of transformation. I believe you already saw some changes in our lives so far. Ivy saw that she hurt my Prince and I'm very positive that she wouldn't make the same mistake in this are. Me too. You could see that we wrongly believed that we were helping our prince and Ivy's mom to get together not event thinking about Marko's attitude about it and completely ignoring Prince's wish to not to interfere. For us, we believed we were doing the act of love for him, but for him it was disrespect and disobedience. We both admitted that we have to learn a lot about his since we lived completely different lifestyle from my Prince. The good thing is that he loves us and he is patient with us. We will learn.

Thanks again for wonderful observation. Ivy and I red it and we agreed with all you said.

Understanding something is already being on the way to improve it.  I'm glad if that understanding might have been of some help, and I thank you for your consideration. And... yes, the withholding of the bet-game is a sign Ivy and you might be willing to change for the better.

Now let's hope for the best ; and return once more to more pleasant matters. ^^

Understanding something is already being on the way to improve it.  I'm glad if that understanding might have been of some help, and I thank you for your consideration. And... yes, the

 

Triloque - Thanks for the participation in our lives. You see, Eva's comment just stimulated me to give you one comparison between me and my witches. For example: I never hit on the girl that was dating other guy, was married or engage, or was the my friend's gf or his ex. I was raised that way. But Eva and Ivy were completely opposite. Therefore, I can understand why they tried to "help" me although I didn't approve it. We had two different moral standard. Eva said rightly: I love them very much and I can't be long angry at them. Not only at them but to anyone. I believe my witches will not repeat the same mistake. Between us, if Marko will allow Zdenka and me to have sex, I would do it, but since he strongly opposed it, I will not do it no matter how hard Eva, Ivy and Zdenka want me to do it. They will have to drug me or make me drunk, because I would never willingly hurt Marko's feelings. The same goes for all other people, known or unknown. I'm not "digging in neighbors yard without his permission no matter how much I like his yard. "