Crash using HDT 12-29 with woodelf characters

[srayesmanll]

I'm getting a crash using the HDT 12-29 version when playing a woodelf character.  When trying to leave the Bannered Mare in Whiterun, I ctd.  If I coc whiterun, I get sent to the bridge near the meadery.  If I the fast travel to WR from there or run there and try to enter the gate, CTD, same as trying to exit the Mare, although the HDT log appears to be different (don't have a copy of that log).  When I crash, I get an autosave labeled as "hdtPhysicsExtension Autosave". 

 

This is the log from when leaving the Mare:

 

 

 

hdtPhysicsExtensions
[03/02/14 18:53:58]INFO: Queue OK
[03/02/14 18:53:58]INFO: SKSEPlugin_Load
[03/02/14 18:54:04]INFO: System run with 8 threads
[03/02/14 18:54:04]INFO: Havok simulated world created.
[03/02/14 18:54:35]INFO: Cell changed...
[03/02/14 18:54:35]INFO: Add character 000d7505
[03/02/14 18:54:35]INFO: Add character 0001a66e
[03/02/14 18:54:35]INFO: Add character 0001a699
[03/02/14 18:54:35]INFO: Add character 6701afb0
[03/02/14 18:54:35]INFO: Add character 880093c2
[03/02/14 18:54:35]INFO: Add character 88009eae
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: Fatal error occured
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: Code : 0xe06d7363
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: Flag : 0x00000001
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: Module : C:\Windows\syswow64\KERNELBASE.dll
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: Address : 0x770fc41f
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: Module Address : 0x770f0000
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: C++ Exception class std::__non_rtti_object
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: ExceptionContent saved in hdtPhysicsExtensions.dump
[03/02/14 18:55:06]ERROR: Plugin is trying to save game

 

Definitely looks like the HDT ran into something bad.  Here is the strange part.  This playthrough I am playing a male Woodelf.  I had this happen only once before - when playing a WoodElf female.  I have not had this kind of crash with any other race.  Just the woodelf.  Unfortunately I do not have any log or other info for the previous crash.  With the female woodelf, the problem was in Riften.  Both times were similar situations - everything seems as bouncy as it should be, then initiate a sexlab animation successfully, then try to enter the main city cell and get the CTD and the HDT autosave.  I do not have a papayrus log.

 

Load order for reference:

 

 

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1
GeneralStores.esm=1
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm=1
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1
SexLab.esm=1
SexLabAroused.esm=1
ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1
Devious Devices - Assets.esm=1
Devious Devices - Integration.esm=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=1
HighResTexturePack02.esp=1
HighResTexturePack03.esp=1
Brawl Bugs CE.esp=1
Orc&ElfFix4TBBP.esp=1
Shadow Striping Fix.esp=1
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1
Immersive Sounds - Aural Assortment.esp=1
Immersive Sounds - Magic.esp=1
Immersive Sounds - Weaponry.esp=1
SkyrimURWL.esp=1
PersonalizedMusic_v5.0.esp=1
Cutting Room Floor.esp=1
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1
Batch Crafting Recipes.esp=1
CookingExpanded.esp=1
CookingExpanded - Hearthfire.esp=1
CookingExpanded - Dragonborn.esp=1
Craftable and Placeable Havok-enabled Bedrolls .esp=1
CraftableCloudStorage(GS).esp=1
Dawnguard(GS).esp=1
GeneralStores(DG-HF).esp=1
Grind_stuff.esp=1
HearthFireStores(GS).esp=1
HerbalTea.esp=1
HunterTraps.esp=1
Immersive Brigands.esp=1
Immersive Dawnguard.esp=1
Immersive Dragonborn.esp=1
Immersive Factions.esp=1
Immersive Mercenaries.esp=1
Immersive Travelers.esp=1
JK Crafting Breakdown.esp=1
JK Crafting Breakdown - Hearthfire.esp=1
LoversComfort.esp=1
Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp=1
Populated Forts Towers Places.esp=1
Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp=1
PuppetMaster.esp=1
rt_AutoHarvest.esp=1
SabreFurBag.esp=1
sanctuarycleanup.esp=1
SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1
SexLabSquirt.esp=1
sextoys-calyps-2.esp=1
SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
RaceMenuOverlays.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
ADEC_Chain&Ringmail.esp=1
ADEC_HalfPlate.esp=1
ADEC_Dawnguard_Collection.esp=0
ADEC_DianoArmor.esp=1
ADEC_DragonbornArmors.esp=0
ADEC_Clothes.esp=1
ADEC_VanillaArmor_Wolf.esp=0
ADEC_VanillaArmor_Stormcloak.esp=1
ADEC_VanillaArmor_Elven.esp=1
ADEC_Nocturnal.esp=0
ADEC_SuccubusArmor.esp=1
ADEC_TeraArmorCollection.esp=1
AmazonArmor.esp=1
Amulets of the Shout Master.esp=1
Circlet Overhaul.esp=1
CircletHelms.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
ConvenientCrossbows.esp=1
DraconicArmor.esp=1
DynastyArmor.esp=1
Earrings Set1.esp=1
EisenPlate.esp=1
LeftHandRings.esp=1
LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp=1
NewmillerCasualBikiniUNP2.esp=1
NewmillerShoesUNP.esp=1
NippleRingsForMen.esp=1
RavenArmor.esp=1
Silverlight Armor.esp=1
Skeleton bikini.esp=1
Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp=1
Throwing_Weapons_Redux.esp=1
VoidArmor.esp=1
Dr_Bandolier.esp=1
Dr_BandolierDG.esp=1
Lock Overhaul.esp=1
LPBards.esp=1
Devious Deviants.esp=1
Inconsequential NPCs.esp=1
Largergarden.esp=1
LocalizedGuildJobs.esp=1
more plants all.esp=1
My Home Is Your Home.esp=1
raggedshortcut.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
When Vampires Attack.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
BardSingOnRequestOnly.esp=1
BarenziahQuestMarkers_Droppable.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
Bounty Gold.esp=1
Circlet with Hoods.esp=0
Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items.esp=1
Mystical Illumination.esp=1
NMFWLM_vanilla.esp=1
NMFWLM_dawnguard.esp=1
NMFWLM_hearthfire.esp=1
NMFWLM_dragonborn.esp=1
Realistic werewolf speed.esp=1
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp=1
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp=1
SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp=0
SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp=0
SexLab Submit.esp=1
Slof's Unique Frost.esp=1
ETaC - Complete.esp=1
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp=1
ETaC - Smelters.esp=1
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp=1
Storefront.esp=1
Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged.esp=1
HHoS Ancient Shrine.esp=1
HHoS Subterranean Hot Spring.esp=1
Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp=1
RealisticRoomRental.esp=1
Predator Vision.esp=1
WerewolfMastery.esp=1
MiningforMagesEasy.esp=1
Nature Summoning.esp=1
Improved Dragon Shouts.esp=1
Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp=1
Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp=1
UnarmedHelper.esp=1
JulesRankPerks.esp=1
LPAlchemyTweaks.esp=1
FAMP2.esp=1
SexLab Cumshot.esp=1
SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp=1
GagSFX.esp=1
Sit Anywhere.esp=1
Beards.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1

 

 

Other than some mod updates, this load order is the same as the previous crashing.

 

This crash:  Male Woodelf.  Using HDT 12-29.  Unable to enter Whiterun from the Bannered Mare.

Previous crash:  Female Woodelf.  Using HDT 10-24.   Unable to enter Riften from the Ragged Flagon or the sewers.

 

Again, never saw this crash with male Orc, female High Elf, male and female Dunmer, female Breton.  Only with the 2 woodelf characters I tried.  Has anyone seen anything similar to this?

[b00marrows]

Your log shows no loading of any .XML files, so i'm unsure what the issue is...

you could try using the stable version (V10-24) see if that helps.

the log should change after you do that so post a new one.

 

 

[srayesmanll]

Actually the first time this happened (with the female woodelf) I was using 10-24 and the log looked the same (different references for the characters).  Taking a closer look at the references, the last successful character reference prior to the crash was "88009eae".  Converting 88, this would be from mod number 136.  This would be from the Populated Cities mod.  And since both crashes occurred in cities (this one in WR, the previous in Riften), it would make since that a mod that affected both could be the actual culprit.  It's too bad I don't have the log from the first character that was crashing under 10-24.  As far as trying 10-24 with this save...  weeelllll, I tossed the saves before investigating too much.  Got a little frustrated.  But again, same crash did occur with the previous character using 10-24, so I really don't think switching would have a different result.  What I'm going to do is try with a fresh character and see if I can get it to happen again.  Both problems occurred very early in the game, so I should not get too far before "game destroyed" .

 

If I can recreate this, I'll do a little more investigating (before throwing the keyboard ).

 

Just for reference, I'm using the XMLs that came with the 10-24 and 12-29 downloads, not using any alternate XMLs and did not modify the default ones.

 

 

[b00marrows]

uhuh... as i said before, your log shows no .xml loading. is HDTP even working???

[srayesmanll]

It seemed to be working fine.  Watching Saadias boobs while in the Mare (one of my favorite pastimes ), the jiggling was definitely not standard TBBP, but HDT.  And this was right before walking out the door and getting the crash.  Again, I shot myself in the foot deleting the character that was having the problem.  I'll see if a can recreate the issue on a new character, and if so will do more thorough testing to see if I can figure out the issue (whether truly HDT or maybe some mod issue causing it to appear to be an HDT issue).

 

[Groovtama]

Some races have faulty armor addons, which produce crashes with BBP\TBBP enabled meshes, I think elves and orcs don't remember anymore.

[srayesmanll]

I had an issue a long time ago with high/wood elves (male only) causing CTDs when removing armor.  The Orc&ElfFix4TBBP.esp (which is included in dragonfly's original TBBP install - version 1.01 I believe) fixed the issue, although at the time it was in the wrong place in the load order.  Once it was moved to it's current position, never saw that problem again.  This was quite awhile back that I had that issue (never saw an issue with Orcs, only high and wood elves - and male only).  And I have used both high elves and orcs recently and did not see this kind of issue.  So far, it seems this new issue only occurs when playing a wood elf (male or female).  And it didn't crop up until about 8 hrs into the game.

[Uriel]

This crash looks kinda like the one we had with an old nioverride plugin. What version of RaceMenu are you using?

[srayesmanll]

2.5.1 RaceMenu and 2.5.0 Overlays Plugin.

[Uriel]

Don't know then, i'm on 2.1.5 now. Any pre-2.1.5 RaceMenu version would crash with HDTpe, don't know about the latest.

[Deedlit]

are you using the file from here : http://www.loverslab.com/topic/26835-hdt-breast-collision-for-realy-all-armors-with-3-adjustments-without-hdt-havok-object/ ?

now its working with eyebrows, but before its with head meshes, if you are using that with head meshes need put same for elves and orcs meshes also.

[srayesmanll]

Nope not using that one.  I'm still trying to recreate the issue - started a new game, but was getting a really weird CTD that was completely unrelated to HDT.  Doing a refresh cache and will start afresh and see if I can recreate the issue.

[Deedlit]

Try one of that ones so : at least dnt hurt.

Obs: theses files are not mine, i just cant remember original authors to give credit, sorry about that. I just got that from my mods stash folder and made a attach here, if original author(s) dnt like that lemme know so ill remove.

TBBP Elf and Orc Fix.zip

TBBP_Orc_Elf.zip

[srayesmanll]

I already use the first one.  Have ever since ADEC went TBBP.  It's included in Dragonfly's TBBP 1.01 installation.  The second is probably the same fix, just a different package.