Can't start new game (dialogue in front of mirror doesn't happen)

[herdustisverypretty]

So this randomly started happening a few months ago, Nate would start talking and then when it was Nora's turn to cut in, she doesn't say anything, and then the two characters just stand in front of the mirror for eternity without taking me to the character customization menu. 
 
I was hoping someone might have an idea at what is causing this before I do the good old 'uninstall one mod at a time' because I have a fair amount of plugins and that would just be really annoying. 
 
This is my load order (as sorted by LOOT):
 

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 SpringCleaning.esm
7 7 Robot Home Defence.esm
8 8 VideoMaster.esm
9 9 CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm
10 a ArmorKeywords.esm
11 b Homemaker.esm
12 c Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
13 d def_inv_scrap_en.esp
14 e Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp
15 f Craftable Armor Size.esp
16 10 DeadBodyCollision.esp
17 11 DV-Invincible Vertibirds.esp
18 12 DV-Armored Pilots.esp
19 13 Eli_Sleeveless Outfits.esp
20 14 FactionPinups.esp
21 15 IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp
22 16 More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
23 17 Move (Get Out the Way).esp
24 18 NoNegativeAffinityNoFucks.esp
25 19 NoAffinityCooldown.esp
26 1a SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp
27 1b EferasShoulderBag.esp
28 1c Workshop_Planters.esp
29 1d Docile Radstags.esp
30 1e CROSS_Jetpack.esp
31 1f Locksmith.esp
32 20 NoAmmoWeight.esp
33 21 LegendaryModification.esp
34 22 LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
35 23 FarHarborHomemakerFix.esp
36 24 Armorsmith Extended.esp
37 25 Armorsmith Automatron.esp
38 26 Armorsmith Far Harbor.esp
39 27 BetterAutomatronWeapons.esp
40 28 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
41 29 BrighterSettlementLights.esp
42 2a Craftable Cats.esp
43 2b Crafting Workbench.esp
44 2c HubrisShoulderBags.esp
45 2d Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
46 2e Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp
47 2f Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp
48 30 Crafting Workbenches - Faction and Quest Requirements.esp
49 31 Crafting Workbenches - Junk Items.esp
50 32 Dogmeat's Backpack.esp
51 33 dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
52 34 Magnolia.esp
53 35 LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp
54 36 Quick Save.esp
55 37 KSHairdos.esp
56 38 CBBE.esp
57 39 Cozy Beds.esp
58 3a Femsheppings Summer Shorts.esp
59 3b Friffy_Fixed Rugs.esp
60 3c AES_Renovated Furniture.esp
61 3d TeddyMine.esp
62 3e Water Sources Expanded.esp
63 3f DD_1x1_Foundation_Blocks.esp
64 40 DD_Floor_brace.esp
65 41 DD_Columnsandstuff_1_0.esp
66 42 DD_Michael_Faraday_Time_yo.esp
67 43 hdreworkedprojectrevised.esp
68 44 Simple Intersection.esp
69 45 RichMerchants.esp
70 46 ImmersiveTP.esp
71 47 BetterJunkFences.esp
72 48 DD_All_the_COncrete.esp
73 49 ImmersiveFastTravel.esp
74 4a IFT_Automatron.esp
75 4b VegetableOil.esp
76 4c SpotlightFix-200-Shadow.esp
77 4d zz_Automatron_Robots.esp
78 4e th1nkEyebot.esp
79 4f VotWGeneralPurposePatch.esp
80 50 ImmersiveVendors.esp
81 51 No Combat Boundaries.esp
82 52 Search and Destroy - Lite.esp
83 53 HancockHair.esp
84 54 DansesHolotagsArentScrap.esp
85 55 MacsSoldierIsNotScrap.esp
86 56 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp
87 57 MrHandyFactoryPaint.esp
88 58 CROSS_Uni_Headset.esp
89 59 CROSS_Uni_Headset_LeveledLists.esp
90 5a RealTroughs.esp
91 5b Scouter_V1.1_by_Ruddy88.esp
92 5c Scouter_AWKCR.esp
93 5d fofw_AlexisCombes.esp
94 5e fofw_Carla.esp
95 5f fofw_Cathy.esp
96 60 fofw_Colette.esp
97 61 fofw_ConnieAbernathy.esp
98 62 fofw_DocWeathers.esp
99 63 fofw_FahrenheitVanilla.esp
100 64 fofw_Geneva.esp
101 65 fofw_Horatio.esp
102 66 fofw_Irma.esp
103 67 fofw_KatyPinn.esp
104 68 fofw_LucyAbernathy.esp
105 69 fofw_MamaMurphy.esp
106 6a fofw_Myrna.esp
107 6b fofw_RonnieShaw.esp
108 6c fofw_Scarlett.esp
109 6d [PPE] Crafting Workbenches + Chemist's Cookbook [Patch].esp
110 6e RRP4APA.esp
111 6f MMP4APA-blue.esp
112 70 NewRecipes-FH.esp
113 71 EnhancedGrass_High.esp
114 72 Grasslands - Healthy.esp
115 73 Immersive HUD Lite.esp
116 74 LongerPowerLines2x.esp
117 75 PD_VisualReload.esp
118 76 ShellRain.esp
119 77 Pink Tree.esp
120 78 Loading Screens Against Humanity.esp
121 79 Synth Overhaul.esp
122 7a dinoshelf.esp
123 7b dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
124 7c dinoshelf_retex.esp
125 7d dinomore.esp
126 7e Smoke-able Cigars.esp
127 7f SolarPower.esp
128 80 AWKCRPatch-UFO4P.esp
129 81 Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp
130 82 Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp
131 83 Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp
132 84 Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
133 85 Clean Water - Tropical - Rads.esp
134 86 OCDispenser.esp
135 87 OCDecorator.esp
136 88 OCD FarHarborDLC.esp
137 89 VertibirdBeacon.esp
138 8a Weapon Brackets.esp
139 8b K9TacticalHarness.esp
140 8c LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
141 8d Local Map Expanded (Zoom-out Ext. plugin).esp
142 8e Crocodile Hairstyle.esp
143 8f LooksMenu.esp
144 90 THBrows.esp
145 91 Crimsomrider's 1950s Feminine Outfits.esp
146 92 MilitaryOutfit.esp
147 93 3DNPC_FO4.esp
148 94 Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - V81.esp
149 95 CROSS_PlasRail.esp
150 96 CrimeTown.esp
151 97 CommonwealthChooksAndBunnies.esp
152 98 ImmersiveGenericDialogues.esp
153 99 MosesSubmarine.esp
154 9a TrainBar.esp
155 9b GoneFeral.esp
156 9c MojaveImports.esp
157 9d RaiderOverhaul.esp
158 9e FemsheppingsMegaSurgeryCenterRenovated.esp
159 9f Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Prydwen.esp
160 a0 Wastelander's Cookbook.esp
161 a1 SuperMutantOverhaul.esp
162 a2 CompRedo.esp
163 a3 Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - The Castle.esp
164 a4 Goodneighbor Apartment.esp
165 a5 Underhouse_PH.esp
166 a6 Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Railroad HQ.esp
167 a7 Chemist's Cookbook.esp
168 a8 Orphans.esp
169 a9 DiverseChildren.esp
170 aa BetterSettlers.esp
171 ab BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp
172 ac DD_CBBE_SLooty_Castle_Innie_Vajayjay_4k_Fix.esp
173 ad WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp
174 ae Immortal Cats 2.esp
175 af ellen.esp
176 b0 Railroad HQ Sewer Access.esp
177 b1 companion_Panzerhund.esp
178 b2 EvilViking13_PatchworkSanctuaryBridge.esp
179 b3 AkaWaterWorld.esp
180 b4 Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp
181 b5 Glowing Animals Emit Light - Far Harbor.esp
182 b6 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
183 b7 WestTekTacticalOptics-AWKCR.esp
184 b8 More Power Armour Mods.esp
185 b9 More Power Armour Mods - Automatron.esp
186 ba Campsite.esp
187 bb Immersive Water Bottle Recycling.esp
188 bc Protected Unique NPC's.esp
189 bd CleanMacCready.esp
190 be NewRecipes.esp
191 bf LoreFriendlySurvivalChems.esp
192 c0 chem redux.esp
193 c1 fofw_JunLong.esp
194 c2 fofw_MarcyLong.esp
195 c3 [PPE] Chemist's Cookbook + Chem Redux [Patch].esp
196 c4 [PPE] Chemist's Cookbook + Mojave Imports [Patch].esp
197 c5 [PPE] Wastelander's Cookbook + Mojave Imports [Patch].esp
198 c6 RailroadCoatAtHQ.esp
199 c7 DeaconClothingCK.esp
200 c8 NWS_Shei.esp
201 c9 Raider Overhaul - AE Patch.esp
202 ca BeastWhisperer.esp
203 cb EveryonesBestFriend.esp
204 cc SurvivalOptions.esp
205 cd ExoticWorkshopCreatures.esp
206 ce BeastMaster_ExoticCreaturesPatch.esp
207 cf CWSS Redux.esp
208 d0 Gunsmith Extended.esp
209 d1 TheFridgeWireless.esp
210 d2 JokerineFO4VeggieFood.esp
211 d3 AtomicRadio.esp
212 d4 Journal.esp
213 d5 SpecialVideos.esp
214 d6 Scavenged NCR Armor.esp
215 d7 SatelliteWorldMap.esp

 
I'm sure there's things in there that I don't need, I saw something that I'm pretty sure is from DEF UI even though I've never even had that installed.... (that's another problem I have to ask about actually, I can't install that mod). And since I haven't played in months I probably have to update a lot of things still (NMM doesn't tell me when a mod needs updating isn't that nice of it?)

 
I am a stressed mouse and need someone to help me.

[RitualClarity]

First verify the game Cache.

If you haven't changed anything recently and it just "happened" then it is likely some file got messed up.

 

Make sure if you have mods the F4SE is updated as well.

 

Finally you have a SHIT TON of mods. It is very possible that something as simple as overloading the game. Not sure though haven't had any real world feedback on the soft "plugin limit" that Fallout 4 has. (reference Fallout NV or even Skyrim limits ) This has nothing to do with the physical limitations of the game but the realistic limits of your computer and the game. So unless someone can chime in with a conflict I'd state try removing some mods and get yourself down 10 at a time or so until you are able to get Nora to stop hogging the mirror and the game to work. Then add a few essentials and see if it works again. If you start getting pretty low in the # and still don't work then it is a conflict (120 or so plugins)

 

Sorry it is likely hard work unless someone here can see a conflict

 

 

 

[herdustisverypretty]

First verify the game Cache.

If you haven't changed anything recently and it just "happened" then it is likely some file got messed up.

 

Make sure if you have mods the F4SE is updated as well.

 

Finally you have a SHIT TON of mods. It is very possible that something as simple as overloading the game. Not sure though haven't had any real world feedback on the soft "plugin limit" that Fallout 4 has. (reference Fallout NV or even Skyrim limits ) This has nothing to do with the physical limitations of the game but the realistic limits of your computer and the game. So unless someone can chime in with a conflict I'd state try removing some mods and get yourself down 10 at a time or so until you are able to get Nora to stop hogging the mirror and the game to work. Then add a few essentials and see if it works again. If you start getting pretty low in the # and still don't work then it is a conflict (120 or so plugins)

 

Sorry it is likely hard work unless someone here can see a conflict

 

Euurrrgh I was so hoping to avoid that. Oh well. I have plenty of free time. 

 

Lmao I have way more mods than this for old Skyrim, but I am surprised this is the first FO4 bug I've had. I was expecting CTDs, not... whatever this is. 

 

Well thanks for the advice, regardless. 

 

If/when I figure out what mod(s) is causing the issue, I'll post it here in case anyone else has this problem at some point. 

[RitualClarity]

 

Lmao I have way more mods than this for old Skyrim, but I am surprised this is the first FO4 bug I've had. I was expecting CTDs, not... whatever this is.

Mods aren't the only thing that can stress the game. I have had way more than the 125~160 mods in Fallout NV that people said wasn't going to run and it ran just fine. The issue is the content of the mods. The act of creating mods is the act of actually breaking the game to a degree. It is adding content or changing it. Both makes the computer and game engine work more than it does for a plain game.

 

Now that is however strange that you have more in one game (32bit) and can't get higher in Fallout 4. It might just be a conflict Hopfully someone can help with the conflict. Something that might effect the start is likely the issue. Do we have the xEdit version for Fallout 4? Perhaps check that to see anything that has effects for Nate and Nora or anything that is changing the cell with the mirror. That however is some hard stuff to do however. Might be easier to just remove and tweak the game mods first.

 

You can if you want backup what you have and uninstall all the mods and then add the most essential ones first. Perhaps the textures and such then heavier ones and test every two or three mods to see if the mirror scene is effected. MIght be faster. You can clean up and update the system as you go. you will still have the mods downloaded so it would realyonly be the time to install the mods and start up the game to see if there is an issue.

 

I point this option out as you can after you uninstall all the mods go in and clean up the loose files (NMM has that option as well so I hear) but make sure to check manually. Any loose files or file in doubt delete. Then verify cache, start the game and go through the mirror scene to be sure you have a nice base to work with. Then do the above. There could also be some file stuck or left over as well that is messing with things.

 

Good luck

[herdustisverypretty]

 

 

Lmao I have way more mods than this for old Skyrim, but I am surprised this is the first FO4 bug I've had. I was expecting CTDs, not... whatever this is.

Mods aren't the only thing that can stress the game. I have had way more than the 125~160 mods in Fallout NV that people said wasn't going to run and it ran just fine. The issue is the content of the mods. The act of creating mods is the act of actually breaking the game to a degree. It is adding content or changing it. Both makes the computer and game engine work more than it does for a plain game.

 

Now that is however strange that you have more in one game (32bit) and can't get higher in Fallout 4. It might just be a conflict Hopfully someone can help with the conflict. Something that might effect the start is likely the issue. Do we have the xEdit version for Fallout 4? Perhaps check that to see anything that has effects for Nate and Nora or anything that is changing the cell with the mirror. That however is some hard stuff to do however. Might be easier to just remove and tweak the game mods first.

 

You can if you want backup what you have and uninstall all the mods and then add the most essential ones first. Perhaps the textures and such then heavier ones and test every two or three mods to see if the mirror scene is effected. MIght be faster. You can clean up and update the system as you go. you will still have the mods downloaded so it would realyonly be the time to install the mods and start up the game to see if there is an issue.

 

I point this option out as you can after you uninstall all the mods go in and clean up the loose files (NMM has that option as well so I hear) but make sure to check manually. Any loose files or file in doubt delete. Then verify cache, start the game and go through the mirror scene to be sure you have a nice base to work with. Then do the above. There could also be some file stuck or left over as well that is messing with things.

 

Good luck

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Oooh okay I didn't know NMM could purge loose files. The more you know. I shall try this then. Thanks for the help. 

[Rebel Marauder]

Just my 2 cents here but irregardless of Mod Authors requests and demands I always place Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch immediately after the DLC and before any other mods, against LOOT's judgement, it's just how I've been hardwired to do so since FO3 days.

 

Also note you have a Def_Inv.esp mod, which in my experience is linked to Def UI unless you have a copy from before they were merged into 1 file, if that's the case I seriously recommend you upgrade your mods since half the earlier versions are now vastly incompatible with each other since the new versions of Fallout 4 have been dropping.

 

However if you have SKE (Settlement Keywords Expanded) then you would need to drop the Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp

 

As for this -[ SatelliteWorldMap.esp ]- but wonder which Satellite World map it's from, although given it's got an esp chances are it's from the old one which was a little buggy in places.

 

Other than what I have mentioned above I can only echo what RC has said, run it through XEdit and see what conflicts and where, failing that check the mod pages of each mod for the version you have, see if there's been any significant updates or fixes that would benefit you in any way, shape or form

[herdustisverypretty]

Just my 2 cents here but irregardless of Mod Authors requests and demands I always place Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch immediately after the DLC and before any other mods, against LOOT's judgement, it's just how I've been hardwired to do so since FO3 days.

 

Also note you have a Def_Inv.esp mod, which in my experience is linked to Def UI unless you have a copy from before they were merged into 1 file, if that's the case I seriously recommend you upgrade your mods since half the earlier versions are now vastly incompatible with each other since the new versions of Fallout 4 have been dropping.

 

However if you have SKE (Settlement Keywords Expanded) then you would need to drop the Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp

 

As for this -[ SatelliteWorldMap.esp ]- but wonder which Satellite World map it's from, although given it's got an esp chances are it's from the old one which was a little buggy in places.

 

Other than what I have mentioned above I can only echo what RC has said, run it through XEdit and see what conflicts and where, failing that check the mod pages of each mod for the version you have, see if there's been any significant updates or fixes that would benefit you in any way, shape or form

 

I actually haven't played the game at all recently, this is an old problem I have. So not-updated mods isn't the issue with this problem (though I'm sure it'll cause me other issues). My game was doing this in April but I never got around to dealing with it since I already had an existing game, and I had a save right before leaving the vault so I could remake my character, tho I was playing as a male then but I want to make a female character now, and well. Can't do that lol. 

 

I started updating everything yesterday so maybe that'll fix it (the mod(s) causing it may have been fixed with new updates?). One can hope. 

Yeah the satellite map is old, Gopher covered it but I've seen there's now a new one out that seems better so I'll have to get that. 

 

Haaaaaa I've just had so many problems with Beth games and mods lately. I want to cry. 

 

Thanks for the advice. I will continue to try to resolve this issue when I have the emotional strength for it after a very long sleep haha. 

[Rebel Marauder]

 

I actually haven't played the game at all recently, this is an old problem I have. So not-updated mods isn't the issue with this problem (though I'm sure it'll cause me other issues). My game was doing this in April but I never got around to dealing with it since I already had an existing game, and I had a save right before leaving the vault so I could remake my character, tho I was playing as a male then but I want to make a female character now, and well. Can't do that lol. 

 

I started updating everything yesterday so maybe that'll fix it (the mod(s) causing it may have been fixed with new updates?). One can hope. 

Yeah the satellite map is old, Gopher covered it but I've seen there's now a new one out that seems better so I'll have to get that. 

 

Haaaaaa I've just had so many problems with Beth games and mods lately. I want to cry. 

 

Thanks for the advice. I will continue to try to resolve this issue when I have the emotional strength for it after a very long sleep haha. 

 

 

Yeah there is a new one out, it's here but if you suffer the same problem as many other people which is a cave icon for your player you'll likely need this fix

 

If you need any more help or advice just ask, most of us here know something and are willing to help if we're able.

[herdustisverypretty]

 

 

I actually haven't played the game at all recently, this is an old problem I have. So not-updated mods isn't the issue with this problem (though I'm sure it'll cause me other issues). My game was doing this in April but I never got around to dealing with it since I already had an existing game, and I had a save right before leaving the vault so I could remake my character, tho I was playing as a male then but I want to make a female character now, and well. Can't do that lol. 

 

I started updating everything yesterday so maybe that'll fix it (the mod(s) causing it may have been fixed with new updates?). One can hope. 

Yeah the satellite map is old, Gopher covered it but I've seen there's now a new one out that seems better so I'll have to get that. 

 

Haaaaaa I've just had so many problems with Beth games and mods lately. I want to cry. 

 

Thanks for the advice. I will continue to try to resolve this issue when I have the emotional strength for it after a very long sleep haha. 

 

 

Yeah there is a new one out, it's here but if you suffer the same problem as many other people which is a cave icon for your player you'll likely need this fix

 

If you need any more help or advice just ask, most of us here know something and are willing to help if we're able.

 

 

Thanks! You've been very helpful

[herdustisverypretty]

Figured it out. It was the quest mod Gone Feral. No idea why it would be affecting the mirror scene at the start but there you go. I'll have to check the mod page and maybe message the author. :/ Weird.