Constant CTDs w very large loadorder

[thegunner3]

I have spent a great deal of time picking mods to use to breath more life into Skyrim I ended up exceeding the plugin limit so I merged mods used for racemenu and I second seperate merge of all my landscape mods, I am fairly sure the only script heavy mod I have is Frostfall I think most of my other mods use light scripts, just about all my texture mods are 1K I avoided 2K to conserve memory.

Im not sure wether I overdid it with the mods or if certain mods in my huge load order are causing this, but I started a fresh save w this setup it becomes apparent within minutes of starting the game that its unstable since I get random fps drops and tend to CTD when walking around exteriors or going through load doors, I do have sheshon's memory patch and ENBoost setup correctly but even that doesnt seem to be enough so without further ado, my load order, Id like help figuring out what could be crashing my game if theres anything I should cut out from my load order

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
[JmV]LTTF.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
SGHairPackBase.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
WinterholdDestruction.esm
Campfire.esm
ORS_SolitudeGate.esm
notice board.esp
ORS_MorthalPain.esm
moonpath.esm
EFFCore.esm
ImmersiveContent.esm
OSA.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
TradeRoutes.esp
SkyUI.esp
Customizable Camera.esp
Extended UI.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
FISS.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
iHUD.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
VioLens.esp
Animations.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
FNIS.esp
RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp
towConversation.esp
RelightingSkyrim.esp
MergedLandscape.esp
DialogueTweaks.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
Merged Relighting Skyrim DLC.esp
ICROL - Legendary.esp
northern_encounters2.esp
ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
AOS.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
Folkstead.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
Nyhus.esp
Jehanna.esp
ClothingCraft.esp
OBIS.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
CharAppearance.esp
Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
Traps Are Dangerous.esp
GoToBed.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
AnonymousPeople.esp
SOTFollowMeAndSwimToo.esp
Bikini-MTM.esp
ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp
JaxonzRenamer.esp
No NPC Greetings.esp
UIExtensions.esp
Grimy Utilities Interface.esp
HonedMetal.esp
Scarves! Skyrim Edition!.esp
JaxonzProtectFavorites.esp
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
HarvestOverhaul.esp
Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp
Sky Haven Temple M&M3.esp
DFB - Random Encounters.esp
AKSkyrimUnderground.esp
WATER DG + DB.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
ArcheryDummyXP.esp
more idle markers.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
fine goods from morrowind_gray quarter.esp
Skyrim Realistic Archery.esp
SkyrimSewers.esp
BellyachesNewDragonSpecies.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
BosmericDrunkenHuntsmanReborn.esp
ORS_ChaptersLinker.esp
Frostfall.esp
LC_immersiveLoot.esp
ChaosDragons.esp
Bring Your Silver.esp
Darkwater Crossing.esp
milklegendary.esp
RelightingSkyrim_HF.esp
dawnguard sentries.esp
moonpath_questdata.esp
Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Shor's Stone.esp
CWIRLSPatch.esp
Ivarstead.esp
Farmers Sell Produce - Skyrim.esp
Elisdriel.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
arnima.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
FarmhouseChimneys.esp
Whistling Mine.esp
Kynesgrove.esp
ShowersInInns.esp
Soljund's Sinkhole.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
WheelsOfLull.esp
Darkend.esp
SolitudeExterior.esp
Shortcuts.esp
AV1Dragon_Lords.esp
RabbitHole.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
trulyundead.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
ESFCompanions.esp
Oblivion Gates in Cities.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
ISC WAFR Patch.esp
Vigor - Combat and Injuries.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Osare Panty.esp
HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp
More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp
DJZ Cooking Pots.esp
WhiterunExterior.esp
ArtOfTheCatch.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
SumOverPath.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Equipping Overhaul.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Apocalypse - Dragonborn Staff Crafting.esp
fine goods from morrowind.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp
Immersive Speechcraft.esp
HighHrothgarWindowGlow.esp
KIKORI_Set.esp
RedMountainErupts.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Essential Blades.esp
Grandmaster Delphine.esp
Kickass Esbern.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp
SimpleTaxes.esp
MorrowindImports.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
BringYourSilver - HeavyArmory.esp
kuerteeGoldAjustment.esp
BloodthirstVampireFeeding.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory_DG_Addon.esp
KTGold0.005.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
dont speak to me.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
AOS2_TAD Patch.esp
AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp
Osare Part Armor.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp
One With Nature - DG+DB.esp
KWTelescope.esp
TKDodge.esp
OBISDB.esp
MashupUNP.esp
Light Elven Armor.esp
Elemental_Dragons.esp
UltimateDragons.esp
Supreme Fog.esp
TrueStorms.esp
TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-Vanilla.esp
AOS2_TrueStorms Patch.esp
YogWeapons.esp
SSAssist.esp
FS_UltimateAssortment.esp
QuickLight.esp
Osare KneeSocks 2nd.esp
Wa Ribbon.esp
LadyLaceCloaks_EN.esp
Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
SLN_ElderScroll.esp
AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowerRes_HighSpawn.esp
konahrik_accoutrements_dpe.esp
No More Glowing Edges.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
BloodmoonRising.esp
OSA Poser Module.esp
00FacialExpressions.esp
DreamBurrowFloralHeadAccessory.esp
Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp
WAFR_CCOR_Ordinator_Patch.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
sackbag.esp
sackbagLeveledlist.esp
AncientTonguesSword.esp
LBackpackAll.esp
LeatherBackpackBrown-50.esp
VelvetRobesandCloaks.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
FarmhouseChimneysLAL+CRF+ArthmoorVillages.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
DynDOLOD.esp
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp

 

[Rynnes Master]

I haven't looked at your load order but I am presuming you use LOOT;  one shouldn't even *think* of modding a large load order without running LOOT (actually, one should always use LOOT anyway).

 

I also presume you have run *every* one of your plugins (except skyrim.esm) through TES5Edit to make sure that a) they are clean and the masters are in the correct sort order in each.  And I also presume you use Wryebash to create a bashed patch?

 

Did you run your texture mods through a texture compressor/corrector like DDOpt or Texture Compress and Check?  If not, you should do so.

 

Use ModOrganizer to help control your load order and your mod priorities.  You may very well already do so.

 

And, finally, consider using Crash Fixes instead of Sheson's memory patch.  In my experience, coupled with the smart modding steps I've outlined, the result is superior.  My game has 248 plugins, including many merged, and although I still have the occasional "out of memory" message my game can safely be called "stable".  I save often.  I don't use Frostfall but I do use Genesis, ASIS, and DynDoLOD.  Together with Sexlab and associated fun mods, including Devious Cursed Loot, my game has every excuse to crash frequently, but it doesn't.

 

Good luck and I hope these thoughts help.

[MataHari]

I think these mods can be either merged or imported into the bashed patch.  Did you also sorted your loadorder in LOOT?

 

BetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

 

If not then run LOOT and sort out any error that LOOT has a remark for of a mod.

[thegunner3]

I do all of those except running every plugin through TES5Edit and using texture compressors. If I am using Sheson's memory patch and Crash Fixes will those conflict with each other?

 

I assume SKSE.ini should be setup like this

[General]

EnableDiagnostics=1

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

[Display]

iTintTextureResolution=2048

[Memory]

defaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768

scrapHeapSizeMB=256

 

[Rynnes Master]

Crash Fixes does not conflict with Sheson's memory patch, it replaces it.  Check the readme and front page of Crash Fix to get the idea.  For me it took some tweaking and adjusting of both my enblocal.ini memory settings and the custommemoryblock size in Crashfixplugin.ini, but the result is a degree of stability I haven't had before.

 

I reduced my ram load from 3100 ghz average to about 2700ghz average by running a texture compressor program on my mods.  That helped stability greatly.

 

Using Wryebash to examine my load order was important to me;  I found that about 25% of my previously cleaned plugins had out of order masters, not fatal to loading the game but harmful to later game stability.  I clean *every* plugin I add to my load order in TES5Edit.  I also build a TES5Edit Merged Patch before every new game is started.

 

And in my opinion cleaning masters and plugins in TES5Edit is critically important.  With a large load order it can take a long time to accomplish, and one should do it on every plugin that is added to the order, particularly updates.  There is one particular interesting mod on this site that contains both ITMs and UDRs and a *bunch* of errors, none of which the author has shown any interest in cleaning ("I don't know how" was his response when the errors were pointed out to him).  Dirty edits will always harm one's save game and many will result ultimately in CTDs, at least that's been my experience.  That mod, because it remains dirty, remains out of my load order although I'd love to add it.  Ah well.

 

Your SKSE.ini settings are, AFAIK, correct, but with CrashFixes the [Memory] settings become irrelevant.  Actually, extraneous would probably be a better term.

 

I just looked at your load order;  you are running many of the same mods I am, but your order is very, very different.  Several things leapt out at me;  among them the bashed patch should be last, Dyndolod should be immediately above it, alternate start should be just above that.  Run LOOT on a new game and the sort will no doubt be different.  As an example, here are the last eight entries in my load order:

 

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Alternate State - New Beginnings.esp

TVDT REMOVED.esp

DynDOLOD.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

ASIS.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

If it matters, I'm running an Intel i7-5960X at 4800 mhz on an ASUS X99 Deluxe with Windows 10 and 32gb of DDR4 ram.  The video card is an nVidia GTX-980 with 4ghz of vram.  On Windows 10 vram over 4ghz is wasted anyhow.  I'm anxiously awaiting Skyrim Remastered and hope that SKSE is quickly updated for it. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

[thegunner3]

It seems the random large fps drops lessen significantly after deactivating Populated Cities Towns Villages Legenday Edition, Immersive Creatures, and Immersive Patrols, all 3 of these mods add additional NPCs, can I safely put multiple mods like these or do mods that populate skyrim with more NPCs really push the limit of what the engine is capable of and not that great for a stable long-term save?

[lurkalot]

 1st thing use Skyrim in 32 bit do this by right clicking on SKSE on on desk top properties navitgate to run in xp 32 mode always run in Admin mode . 2nd are you running ( Skyrim hd - 2k textures -complete full ) if so uninstall untick but dont delete , then go to Steam data make sure hd unticked it down loads when you in stall Skyrim , Skyrim HD will cause many of your CTD's , think about it have you down loaded many 1k 2k 4k texture mods , Examples of CTD's going through doors some of these are loading screens , will corrupt saves, leave you looking at a black screen or just CTD to desk top , Causes mesh nav  ctd's all sorts of CTD's where you can can not pin point what the problems is . A temp fix as some of these loadscreens are buggy ,Go to consoul type in tfc or tcl ,This will stop collison ,go through door you will see blue go back then press E to enter door once other sdie consoul tcl to add collison back on  . If you go to Whiterun game starts running slow this is sometime caused by two HD's running at the same time Skyrim does not know which to load if you are running EMB or purity , JK Skyrim or other mods , these mods are all HD . Could be xxx action go in to sexlabs reset all animations including Zaz if you are using it . Down load from Nexus Merge plugins run from desktop not in skyrim , this can tell you which mod is dependent on other mods you dont have to merge mods .