[Help] Estrus Chaurus+ and MNC causing issues in game

Anonimotipy · May 13, 2016

So Estrus Chaurus+ and More Nasty Critters are causing problems to my game. Problems range from corrupted save and saves crashing. Most of the instance I've noticed occur when I'm outside, like Rorikstead. However they aren't limited to it, sometimes they also occur when I'm inside a cell.

Here is my load order. Mod Organizer churns it out upside down though. I've check them using LOOT and noticed no dirty edits on anything.

+MorrowLoot Ultimate

+Deadly Combat - Deadly Combat 4_01

+HDT Breast And Butt Physics - TBBP BBP Supported

+HDT Physics Extensions

+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended

+Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-

+KS Hairdos - Renewal

+Archery Gameplay Overhaul

+EstrusForSkyrim

+Creature Framework 1.0.4

+Estrus Chaurus v4.21

+SexLab Nude Creatures v3.2.4

+MoreNastyCritters9 0

+NSAP3.1

+SexLab Romance V1.0.6

+SLAL AnimationsByLeito v1

+SLAnimLoader

+TESMUSIC

+SL Defeat v5.3.3

+Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul

+Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade

+Extensible Follower Framework

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC

+Skyrim HD - 2K Textures

+Improved closefaced helmets

+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade

+PapyrusUtil - Modders Scripting Utility Functions

+Enhanced Blood Textures

+ESO Daedric Armor RELOAD by NewerMind43

+Static Mesh Improvement Mod

+Crash fixes

+When Vampires Attack

+Skyrim -Community- Uncapper

+Skyrim Immersive Creatures

+The Paarthurnax Dilemma

+JContainers

+Ultimate HD Fire Effects

+Better Dialogue Controls

+Realistic Needs and Diseases

+Better Stealing

+Guard Dialogue Overhaul

+Run For Your Lives

+Better males - Beautiful nudes and faces - New hairstyles

+The Dance of Death - A Killmove Mod

+Convenient Horses

+Immersive Patrols

+Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival

+Pure Waters

+Skyrim - Enhanced Camera

+Wet and Cold

+Campfire - Complete Camping System

+Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim

+The Eyes Of Beauty

+Fuz Ro Doh

+Alternate Start - Live Another Life

+SexLabFramework v161b FULL

+Immersive Weapons

+Realistic Ragdolls and Force

+ShowRaceMenu Precache Killer

+RaceMenu

+SOS

+BodySlide and Outfit Studio

+Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch

+Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS

+A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads

+SkyUI

*Unmanaged: Dragonborn

*Unmanaged: HearthFires

*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01

*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02

*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03

*Unmanaged: Dawnguard

*Unmanaged: quest_pitfighter_dlc01

*Unmanaged: quest_pitfighter

*Unmanaged: tos_granitehall

*Unmanaged: tos_oakwood_hf

spoonsinger · May 13, 2016

MO doesn't 'churn' it out upside down! Post your "loadorder.txt" from your profile directory. (Or better still just cut and paste it into your post within a spoiler tag).

i.e. it's somewhere like <drive>:\Program Files (x86)\Mod Organizer\profiles\<your profile>\loadorder.txt

Anonimotipy · May 13, 2016

MO doesn't 'churn' it out upside down! Post your "loadorder.txt" from your profile directory. (Or better still just cut and paste it into your post within a spoiler tag).

i.e. it's somewhere like <drive>:\Program Files (x86)\Mod Organizer\profiles\<your profile>\loadorder.txt

Oh hey, I learn something new then. Mind helping me with my problem?

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

SexLab.esm

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

Campfire.esm

EFFCore.esm

CreatureFramework.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

tos_granitehall.esp

quest_pitfighter.esp

quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp

tos_oakwood_hf.esp

SkyUI.esp

FNIS.esp

RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

WetandCold.esp

Purewaters.esp

Frostfall.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_AnimalLoot.esp

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

When Vampires Attack.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

ESO Daedric Armor by NewerMind43.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

imp_helm_legend.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

UIExtensions.esp

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Differently Ebony.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

MUSIC.esp

KS Hairdo's.esp

SOSRaceMenu.esp

XPMSE.esp

SexLabDefeat.esp

SLAnimLoader.esp

SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp

SexLab Romance.esp

SexLabNudeCreatures.esp

SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp

SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp

NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp

DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp

MLU - No Combat Boundaries.esp

DeadlyCombat.esp

DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp

Immersive Patrols II.esp

HentaiCreatures.esp

MoreNastyCritters.esp

EstrusChaurus.esp

zzEstrus.esp

spoonsinger · May 13, 2016

Umm? are you actually sure your MO load order has been LOOT applied? That's to say in my experience CreatureFramework.esm usually comes immediately below Sexlab.esm, and the SexlabNudeCreatures/CreaturesDB/CreaturesDG usually are way up the list of esp's, (usually not that far down from the end of the .esm's).

Also zzEstrus.esp isn't needed for EC+. That's to say EC++ just needs it's assets, (so you could shift, in MO, the zzEstrus.esp into the optional folder - saves an esp slot). Saying that, (and as you have zzEstrus.esp enabled), do you get an Estrus animation in game if you use one of the Estrus spells?

Also Also, you don't have a TES5Merged patch. Think of the esp's being basically a stack of records. The lower ordered ones are overwritten by the higher ones. The TES5Merged patch will apply, (more or less in a sensible fashion), changes to applicable records from various esp's, rather than the highest one in your load order winning out. (This is not the same as a bashed patched which primarily does leveled lists. OK yes it does other things as well, but then again a TES5Merge patch does leveled lists as well - just not as nuanced in that respect though, but totally usable).

Anonimotipy · May 13, 2016

Umm? are you actually sure your MO load order has been LOOT applied? That's to say in my experience CreatureFramework.esm usually comes immediately below Sexlab.esm, and the SexlabNudeCreatures/CreaturesDB/CreaturesDG usually are way up the list of esp's, (usually not that far down from the end of the .esm's).

Also zzEstrus.esp isn't needed for EC+. That's to say EC++ just needs it's assets, (so you could shift, in MO, the zzEstrus.esp into the optional folder - saves an esp slot). Saying that, (and as you have zzEstrus.esp enabled), do you get an Estrus animation in game if you use one of the Estrus spells?

Also Also, you don't have a TES5Merged patch. Think of the esp's being basically a stack of records. The lower ordered ones are overwritten by the higher ones. The TES5Merged patch will apply, (more or less in a sensible fashion), changes to applicable records from various esp's, rather than the highest one in your load order winning out. (This is not the same as a bashed patched which primarily does leveled lists. OK yes it does other things as well, but then again a TES5Merge patch does leveled lists as well - just not as nuanced in that respect though, but totally usable).

Yeah, I applied loot but the thing is that it doesn't automatically reorganizes the load order unlike how when I only used NMM. I'll try changing the load order manually and report back.

Not sure why but in MO i disabled the zzEstrus plugin so I'm not sure why it shows up.

Interesting would it actually help though? I'll give it a try.

Nepro · May 13, 2016

Ran both ever since I started playing Skyrim never had any issues with them.

Estrus Chaurus and MNC are not causing issues something else is.

Anonimotipy · May 13, 2016

Ran both ever since I started playing Skyrim never had any issues with them.

Estrus Chaurus and MNC are not causing issues something else is.

Yeah, the thing is I don't know what is causing that issue.

Anonimotipy · May 14, 2016

bumping for help

Anonimotipy · May 14, 2016

I managed to find a conflicting file with EC+ and MNC: Convenient Horses.

I thought because I managed to load back that save and that it solved the problem. However problem still persist even after with a new save a few clicks away from the original save.