Crash when approaching Windhelm

[Strelnikov]

The crash is preceded by a bunch of papyrus errors/warnings about official civil war scripts:

[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Error: Cannot call CWSiegeCity() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 64
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Error: Cannot call GetLocation() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 64
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Error: Cannot call CWSiegeS() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 66
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Error: Cannot call IsStopped() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 66
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp1"
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 66
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Error: Cannot call IsChild() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[ (00097E1F)].MS03OnUnloadScript.IsInLocation() - "ObjectReference.psc" Line 604
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 66
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp55"
stack:
	[ (00097E1F)].MS03OnUnloadScript.IsInLocation() - "ObjectReference.psc" Line 604
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 66
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Error: Cannot call CWSiegeS() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 96
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Error: Cannot call GetStageDone() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 96
[12/19/2013 - 04:32:37PM] Warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp1"
stack:
	[alias ExtraHorse on quest stables (00068D73)].CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.OnCellLoad() - "CWDisableDuringSiegeALIASScript.psc" Line 96

Any ideas?

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

Well without a load order it's hard to say one way or the other. However, I figure this is the best question to ask since you mentioned the Civil War, you wouldn't happen to be using the Civil War overhaul mod?

[D_ManXX2]

yes he probably has Civil was overhaul. This mod is really script heavy. and still very buggy. But if you have the mod installed deleting it will not work you need to fully start a new game to get rid of any left over scripts.

 

btw if your using this mod forget about using any other scripted mod. it will be best to play this on new game without any other mod installed. or the scripts will spam constantly.

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

Yeah CWO is really buggy, It's nice and all but imo it needed to be refined a lot more before it was publicly released.

[Strelnikov]

Well, thanks for the replies - unfortunately I've never used CWO, so that can't be it... Here's my load order, though:

 

00  Skyrim.esm

01  Update.esm

02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0a]

03  Dawnguard.esm

04  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0b]

05  HearthFires.esm

06  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

07  Dragonborn.esm

08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

09  ApachiiHair.esm

0A  ApachiiHairFemales.esm

0B  ApachiiHairMales.esm

0C  Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

0D  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

0E  SPIKE.esm

0F  Hideout.esm

10  Breezehome-hf-CTD-fix.esp

11  DW Commoners.esp

12  DW Enemies and Wanderers.esp

13  AOS.esp

14  AOS_DG Patch.esp

15  AOS_DB Patch.esp

16  ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

17  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

18  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

19  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

1A  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 1.00]

1B  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

1C  CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp

1D  DATGRASS.esp

1E  DATGRASS-SOLITUDE.esp

1F  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

20  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

21  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

22  WetandCold.esp

23  Footprints.esp

24  Footprints - Ash.esp

25  RaceMenu.esp

26  RaceMenuPlugin.esp

27  SkyUI.esp

28  iHUD.esp

29  BabetteShroudedRobes.esp

2A  Cloaks.esp

2B  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

2C  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]

2D  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.3]

2E  FlameAtronachArmor.esp

2F  FullBootForKKSA.esp

30  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

31  Immersive Weapons.esp

32  MaleClericArmorLight.esp

33  MaleClericArmorCloth.esp

34  MaleClericArmorHeavy.esp

35  TERAArmors_CBBE.esp

36  Dr_Bandolier.esp

37  Immersive Darkwater crossing.esp

38  Immersive Dawnstar.esp

39  Immersive Dragon Bridge.esp

3A  Immersive Falkreath.esp

3B  Immersive Ivarstead.esp

3C  Immersive Karthwasten.esp

3D  Immersive Kynesgrove.esp

3E  Immersive Morthal.esp

3F  Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp

40  Immersive Riverwood.esp

41  Immersive Rorikstead.esp

42  Immersive Shors stone.esp

43  Immersive Stonehills.esp

44  Immersive Whiterun.esp

45  Inconsequential NPCs.esp

46  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 1.2.1]

47  When Vampires Attack.esp  [Version 1.1]

48  WSBP - OcciFemale.esp

49  WSBP - OcciMale.esp

4A  Headtracking.esp

4B  Riften Bigger Trees.esp

4C  Skyrim bigger trees.esp

4D  SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

4E  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

4F  dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

50  RiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.esp

51  TAVERiften.esp

52  TAVESolitude.esp

53  TAVEWindhelm.esp

54  TownsAndCitiesEnhanced.esp

55  WhiterunInEnhanced.esp

56  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

57  ELFX - Exteriors.esp

58  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

59  ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

5A  Realistic Lighting.esp

5B  Realistic Lighting Addon.esp

5C  Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

5D  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

5E  AOS_CoT 3.1 compatibility patch.esp

5F  prod80_CoT_patch_FogEdition.esp

60  DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp

61  3DNPC.esp

62  Follower Trap Safety.esp

63  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

64  WATER.esp

65  WATER DG.esp

66  WATER DB Waves.esp

67  Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp

68  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

69  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

Nothing really jumps out at me but someone else might notice something I overlooked. However, you need to re order your unofficial patches it should look like below.

 

00  Skyrim.esm

01  Update.esm

02  Dawnguard.esm

03  HearthFires.esm

04  Dragonborn.esm

05  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0a]

06  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0b]

07  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

[D_ManXX2]

you have to check every single mod that edits anywhere near Windhelm and deactivate one after the other.

 

Right now the only mods that edits Windhlem heavily are:

61  3DNPC.esp

Inconsequential NPCs.esp

 

Actually your patches look fine boss will put them in that order since all esp are nor fake esm.

 

btw you have many mods in your list that could eventually make any once game unstable. Especially script heavy once.

 

btw what type of pc do you have ?? how much memory and what type of videocard etc.. ??

 

i would not play with all of these mods together in one game:

 

 

11  DW Commoners.esp
12  DW Enemies and Wanderers.esp
11F  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.3]
20  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.3]
21  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
22  WetandCold.esp
23  Footprints.esp
24  Footprints - Ash.esp
28  iHUD.esp
37  Immersive Darkwater crossing.esp
38  Immersive Dawnstar.esp
39  Immersive Dragon Bridge.esp
3A  Immersive Falkreath.esp
3B  Immersive Ivarstead.esp
3C  Immersive Karthwasten.esp
3D  Immersive Kynesgrove.esp
3E  Immersive Morthal.esp
3F  Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
40  Immersive Riverwood.esp
41  Immersive Rorikstead.esp
42  Immersive Shors stone.esp
43  Immersive Stonehills.esp
44  Immersive Whiterun.esp
45  Inconsequential NPCs.esp
46  Run For Your Lives.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
4A  Headtracking.esp
4E  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
61  3DNPC.esp
67  Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp
68  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
 

 

 

 

There could still be more but you have many who are unknown to me.

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

BOSS does a lot that it shouldn't or doesn't need to. The author(s) of the unofficial patches say to put them in that order.

[D_ManXX2]

The you are looking at a different unoffcial skyrim patch then i am.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/19/?

 

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Hearthfires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

 

 

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

hmm they changed it. It used to be the other way, maybe something in the recent updates make the new configuration in load order required.

[Strelnikov]

Well, I changed the load order of those patches. I also uninstalled those 2 npc mods, AND reduced my ugrids setting from 9 to 7. I got closer to Windhelm when I uninstalled 3Dnpc & inconsequential npcs, but it still crashed before I made it to the stables. The strange thing is it's been running fine up until now (level 42 with this character), with no obviously area-based CTDS like this one...

 

Anyway, specs are as follows:

 

Intel i7 4770k

16GB RAM

Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 (3GB vram)

[lidowxxx]

You have been using ugrid higher than 5 all the time? Dude, there is only one advice when it comes to ugrid, do NOT mess with it. It may cause no outright errors when you start a new ugrid, but it will inevitably bring permanent changes to your saves, often in harmful ways. Sometimes the CTDs you experience may not be related to the area at all, it has nothing to do with mods that modfiy the place, it's just because you changed your ugrid. It has nothing to do whether your computer can handle the higher ugrid, it doesn't matter you have 5Ghz running i7 or multiple titans, it's the about the limit of skyrim engines. When you play a ugrid higher than 5, more areas, npcs will be detected before you get close to them and more importantly corresponding script attached to NPCs will start running when it normally should not be.

 

Search one of gopher's videos on youtube, he explains the harms that higher ugrid can bring in details. Funny thing is that I remember gopher specifically mentioned a problem he had in his video which is very similar to yours, he had crashes whenever he went near an area north of falkreath and he couldn't pinpoint the cause of the problem, and he had changed his ugrid too. 

[D_ManXX2]

even Ugrid7 can be unpredictable. that is why they advice never to even touch this setting at all. Many use it because they want to be able to view farther away, but this will make even the fastest pc unstable.

[Strelnikov]

Yeah, I turned it down to 5 and that fixed it >_<

 

Of course, then I couldn't deal with the LOD pop-in so I turned it back up to 7. Maybe I just won't buy TESVI if they don't use a new engine...

[lidowxxx]

There are plenty of distant terrain and LOD mods on nexus that vastly improve the visuals, sure it can't be compared to a higher ugrid, but at least you can safely play your game without worrying about crashing or blowing up your saves.

[Strelnikov]

Yeah, I have the distant terrain one, maybe I'll get the animated waterfalls & windmills as well, ugrids=7 seems to be stable enough.