(Solved....ish) Need some direction and insight on mods

[Ghost-O]

First of all thank you for reading my post. 
I forgot my old account (had to make a new one here) after 5+ years of not touching Skyrim back, and just recently returned to modding and Skyrim in general. 

So my game kinda enter a somewhat snag when entering Whiterun on the first time. Culprit is always EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION.
Studying the issue via google and browsing here , honestly it still go way over my head (seriously, modding in Skyrim goes way more advanced than it used to. Or me forgetting the details). But as I am using this thread for reference........

..............I found out that for this crashlog crash-2022-12-01-14-21-52.txtthings that repeated are Skyrim.esp; JK's Skyrim; and MNC. For Goat.
(I suspected that mode at first which will kidnap some NPCs; but then I remembered it worked before)
I tried to modify it multiple times to see how it can be fixed with as minimal damage to save as possible. 
I found out that either disabling MNC or JK Skyrim would allow me to enter Whiterun

So for now, I decided to both disable MNC animation and shutting down JK Skyrim. Which allow me to continue playing for once.

Thing is
1. I don't want to disable both of that mods; since JK Skyrim actually enhancing cities experience for me. And MNC is.........*cough*
2. Even after that I still got the same crash type anyway crash-2022-12-03-17-23-16.txt So I suspect it is something else borking.

So I need some advice on this matter
1. Which mods are actually cause the issue?
2. Is this issue fixable without disabling mods? 
3. Slightly off topic, but other than the thread I referred to read the crashlog, any other tutorial in fine-reading my own crashlog?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Ghost-O
For now concluding the topic since the issue was more or less solved.

[traison]

goatwithbell.nif is your issue, or (less likely) its skeleton.nif. Potentially something to do with "oat_Tongue08", which is most likely "Goat_Tongue08" with the pointer being offset by 1.

 

Checksums (md5):

c48a5f0660cc0263f7f49ae51f88e540  goatwithbell.nif

500039a5f487b1e6e79006ed8d8fa833  skeleton.nif

 

Where goatwithbell.nif is provided by MoreNastyCritters_v12_5SE, and the skeleton.nif is provided by XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended-1988-4-80-1610196777.

[Ghost-O]

1 hour ago, traison said:

goatwithbell.nif is your issue, or (less likely) its skeleton.nif. Potentially something to do with "oat_Tongue08", which is most likely "Goat_Tongue08" with the pointer being offset by 1.

 

Checksums (md5):

c48a5f0660cc0263f7f49ae51f88e540  goatwithbell.nif

500039a5f487b1e6e79006ed8d8fa833  skeleton.nif

 

Where goatwithbell.nif is provided by MoreNastyCritters_v12_5SE, and the skeleton.nif is provided by XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended-1988-4-80-1610196777.

 

Okay so if I got it right......

It is a one (internal) mislabeling of two similar bone which cause the game to read both items and causing crash?

 

Hmmmm.

And actually even with the JK Skyrim disabled in one of my saves; game still crashed occasionally with the same issue, but this time is Spriggan, wolves. There was also a NPC asset in the crashlog, but mostly on critters and animals 

 

Also on my tinkering with mods earlier tuens out MNC is still Form 43 mods. That might be the cause?

 

So.........I guess in summary it is most likely my issue would gone if I disabled MNC esp?

Edited December 4, 2022 by Ghost-O

[traison]

10 minutes ago, Ghost-O said:

It is a one (internal) mislabeling of two similar bone which cause the game to read both items and causing crash?

 

No, the pointer being offset by 1 most likely only means the code started to "read" the node name "Goat_Tongue08". Irrelevant in this case, I just mentioned it to explain where I got the "G" from.

 

If you have nothing overriding MNC then your problem is probably in the skeleton. Failing that, try to find the exact versions of XP32 and MNC that I mentioned in my post, or get the checksums of your relevant nif files to see if you already have the same ones.

 

The skeleton is in meshes\actors\goat\character assets, and the goat nif is in meshes\MoreNastyCritters\goat.

 

Edit: Also never seen form 43 causing a crash. Plugins in general causing crashes is extremely rare. The most likely crash you'd get from a plugin is from items with missing or invalid inventory icons.

Edited December 4, 2022 by traison

[Fotogen]

6 minutes ago, Ghost-O said:

MNC is still Form 43 mods

Mod, esp or esm with form 43 in never a issue. But skeleton, mesh is an issue.

 

If you see a mod that has form 43, it means it was created for skyrim LE(32 bit version).

Now, mod itself (esp or esm) doesnt have to be converted into skyrim SE version (form 44), but skeleton/meshs(nif) totaly have to be converted or you get weird things. Usualy CTD.

 

So:

- form 43 is not a problem

- but something else was not converted properly for SE

 

Note: if you load .nif into OutfitStudio and you get a warning(anything really), you know its a weird mesh

 

[Ghost-O]

So form 43 is not really an issue in this huh........

By the way, I probably should mentioned first that I used MO2......their feature help modding quite much. Until things crash
Secondly, I do tried to disable MNC and still crashed on goats crash-2022-12-04-10-20-15.txt anyway.

 

58 minutes ago, traison said:

........If you have nothing overriding MNC then your problem is probably in the skeleton. Failing that, try to find the exact versions of XP32 and MNC that I mentioned in my post, or get the checksums of your relevant nif files to see if you already have the same ones.

 

The skeleton is in meshes\actors\goat\character assets, and the goat nif is in meshes\MoreNastyCritters\goat.

.......

 

Files does exist in their respective mod files, but running it on Powershell (I assume i should type either :
1. certutil -hashfile c48a5f0660cc0263f7f49ae51f88e540  goatwithbell.nif; or
2. certutil -hashfile goatwithbell.nif c48a5f0660cc0263f7f49ae51f88e540; or
3. certutil -hashfile goatwithbell.nif MD5)

it gave me this
> CertUtil: -hashfile command FAILED: 0x80070002 (WIN32: 2 ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)
CertUtil: The system cannot find the file specified.
which is weird since said file exist in their mod folders 
 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Ghost-O

[traison]

certutil -hashfile goatwithbell.nif MD5
certutil -hashfile skeleton.nif MD5

[Ghost-O]

10 minutes ago, traison said:

certutil -hashfile goatwithbell.nif MD5
certutil -hashfile skeleton.nif MD5

........I guess it has to be super specific since this happened
 

Spoiler

PS F:\Modding\MO2\mods> certutil -hashfile skeleton.nif MD5
CertUtil: -hashfile command FAILED: 0x80070002 (WIN32: 2 ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)
CertUtil: The system cannot find the file specified.
PS F:\Modding\MO2\mods> certutil -hashfile goatwithbell.nif MD5
CertUtil: -hashfile command FAILED: 0x80070002 (WIN32: 2 ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)
CertUtil: The system cannot find the file specified.

PS F:\Modding\MO2\mods\MoreNastyCrittersSE_v\meshes\actors\goat> certutil -hashfile skeleton.nif MD5
CertUtil: -hashfile command FAILED: 0x80070002 (WIN32: 2 ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)
CertUtil: The system cannot find the file specified.
(goddam foldering makes running command a mess)

However, as I moved the file so it can be certutil-ed...
PS F:\Modding\MO2\mods\MoreNastyCrittersSE_v\meshes\actors\goat> certutil -hashfile skeleton.nif MD5
MD5 hash of skeleton.nif:
398003e34c83544582bf8c49c7dfecb9
CertUtil: -hashfile command completed successfully.

PS F:\Modding\MO2\mods\MoreNastyCrittersSE_v\meshes\MoreNastyCritters\goat> certutil -hashfile goatwithbell.nif MD5
MD5 hash of goatwithbell.nif:
dcb72d696bbd55153a9998b0983987a5
CertUtil: -hashfile command completed successfully.

Referring to the hash file you posted......
goatwithbell
dcb72d696bbd55153a9998b0983987a5
c48a5f0660cc0263f7f49ae51f88e540 

skeleton
398003e34c83544582bf8c49c7dfecb9
500039a5f487b1e6e79006ed8d8fa833 

I guess this is the issue?

[traison]

Just means you got different files than me. If you have the same versions of the mods providing those files as I do THEN it's an issue.

[Ghost-O]

1 hour ago, traison said:

Just means you got different files than me. If you have the same versions of the mods providing those files as I do THEN it's an issue.

If it helps, I am using this thread as my reference 

Just incase I am being stupid, does the mod load order could be the culprit here?
I reread the mod details for the conflicting two, and MNC does write a footnote that XPMSE should be the higher priority. And when I do recheck things using LOOT (provided inside MO2), I found these load order generated 
 

Spoiler

[info] Calculated order:

[info] Skyrim.esm

[info] Update.esm

[info] Dawnguard.esm

[info] HearthFires.esm

[info] Dragonborn.esm

[info] ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm

[info] ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl

[info] ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl

[info] ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm

[info] Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

[info] SexLab.esm

[info] 3DNPC.esp

[info] SexLabAroused.esm

[info] Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

[info] GenderBender.esm

[info] FlowerGirls SE.esm

[info] CreatureFramework.esm

[info] PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm

[info] SexLab sslAnimationSlots 2000 SE.esl

[info] ECE Sliders for Racemenu.esl

[info] DA_Skyship.esm

[info] BBLuxurySuite.esm

[info] RaceCompatibility.esm

[info] battlenymphs.esm

[info] JSwordsD.esm

[info] ZaZAnimationPack.esm

[info] Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm

[info] SkyUI_SE.esp

[info] Obsidian Weathers.esp

[info] Immersive Wenches.esp

[info] FNIS.esp

[info] SkyrimRecycling.esp

[info] SkyrimRecycling_noExp.esp

[info] CBBE.esp

[info] 50 More Perk Points.esp

[info] Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp

[info] 3DNPC0.esp

[info] 3DNPC1.esp

[info] Bijin Wives.esp

[info] SexLabMatchMaker.esp

[info] SexLabDefeat.esp

[info] TDF Aroused Sexy Idles.esp

[info] SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

[info] SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp

[info] SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

[info] SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp

[info] SOS - TRX - Male Addon.esp

[info] GenderBenderAddon-BoundCock.esp

[info] WetFunction.esp

[info] SOS_Ho.esp

[info] KS Hairdo's.esp

[info] ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp

[info] SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp

[info] RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

[info] UIExtensions.esp

[info] SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp

[info] SLAnimLoader.esp

[info] SexLabTools.esp

[info] Blush When Aroused.esp

[info] SLACS.esp

[info] SexLabDangerousNights2.esp

[info] SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp

[info] SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp

[info] NCK30Obj.esp

[info] PsycheAnimationObjects.esp

[info] Forgotten Wenches.esp

[info] FNISSexyMove.esp

[info] VioLens SE.esp

[info] UltimateCombat.esp

[info] 12FemaleBrows.esp

[info] HOR_AlchemyXP60.esp

[info] Craftable Crossbows Immersive x2.esp

[info] SL Deadly Drain.esp

[info] SexlabFN.esp

[info] FemaleOutfitReplacer.esp

[info] BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp

[info] SLKidnapped_FemaleAddon.esp

[info] Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

[info] Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp

[info] OBIS SE.esp

[info] Immersive Encounters.esp

[info] Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

[info] Immersive Weapons.esp

[info] Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

[info] HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp

[info] WZOblivionArtifacts.esp

[info] SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp

[info] Skinny-Dip Skyrim SL.esp

[info] Hateful Wenches.esp

[info] Damsels in Distress.esp

[info] Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

[info] Immersive Patrols II.esp

[info] MoreNastyCritters.esp

[info] Bijin Warmaidens.esp

[info] Bijin NPCs.esp

[info] HandgunsOfSkyrim.esp

[info] Scent of Sex.esp

[info] JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp

[info] New Hagravens.esp

[info] Book of UUNP - Textures.esp

[info] Deadly Wenches.esp

[info] ERF - Succubus.esp

[info] Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp

[info] HF_Heljarchen_PHB_EX.esp

[info] EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp

[info] Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp

[info] ElysiumEstate.esp

[info] SOS - Shop.esp

[info] BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp

[info] BBLSExtBeds.esp

[info] SpousesEnhancedSE.esp

[info] The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

[info] The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp

[info] FayeFG.esp

[info] My Home Is Your Home.esp

[info] RosaFollower.esp

[info] Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

[info] FNISspells.esp

[info] SL_Kidnapped_Redux.esp

[info] SexLabStopCombat.esp

[info] Giantesses.esp

[info] TAWOBA Remastered Leveled List.esp

[info] SLDrunk.esp

[info] NiOverridePoseAdjustments.esp

[info] [NINI] Death Lady.esp

[info] BakaFactoryABC.esp

[info] sandboxcylinderheight.esp

[info] SOSRaceMenu.esp

[info] XPMSE.esp

[info] CS-BBLS.esp

[info] CharacterMakingExtender.esp

[info] RaceMenu.esp

[info] RaceMenuPlugin.esp

[info] RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

[info] Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp

[info] Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

[info] Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

[info] HOR_OrdinatorPatch.esp

[info] Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

[info] Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

[info] RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp

[info] RDO - USSEP Patch.esp

Which baffles me because XPMSE is put way lower than what the standalone LOOT provides

 

Spoiler

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm
254 FE   0 ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
254 FE   1 ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
  6  6     ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
  7  7     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
  8  8     SexLab.esm
  9  9     3DNPC.esp
 10  a     SexLabAroused.esm
 11  b     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 12  c     GenderBender.esm
 13  d     FlowerGirls SE.esm
 14  e     CreatureFramework.esm
 15  f     PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm
254 FE   2 SexLab sslAnimationSlots 2000 SE.esl
254 FE   3 ECE Sliders for Racemenu.esl
 16 10     DA_Skyship.esm
 17 11     BBLuxurySuite.esm
 18 12     RaceCompatibility.esm
 19 13     battlenymphs.esm
 20 14     JSwordsD.esm
 21 15     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 22 16     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
 23 17     SkyUI_SE.esp
 24 18     Obsidian Weathers.esp
 25 19     Immersive Wenches.esp
 26 1a     XPMSE.esp
 27 1b     FNIS.esp
 28 1c     SkyrimRecycling.esp
 29 1d     SkyrimRecycling_noExp.esp
254 FE   4 CBBE.esp
 30 1e     50 More Perk Points.esp
 31 1f     Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
254 FE   5 3DNPC0.esp
254 FE   6 3DNPC1.esp
 32 20     Bijin Wives.esp
 33 21     SexLabMatchMaker.esp
 34 22     SexLabDefeat.esp
 35 23     TDF Aroused Sexy Idles.esp
 36 24     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
 37 25     SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
 38 26     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
 39 27     SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp
 40 28     SOS - TRX - Male Addon.esp
 41 29     GenderBenderAddon-BoundCock.esp
 42 2a     WetFunction.esp
 43 2b     SOS_Ho.esp
 44 2c     KS Hairdo's.esp
 45 2d     ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp
 46 2e     SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp
 47 2f     RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
 48 30     UIExtensions.esp
 49 31     SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
 50 32     SLAnimLoader.esp
 51 33     SexLabTools.esp
 52 34     Blush When Aroused.esp
 53 35     SLACS.esp
 54 36     SexLabDangerousNights2.esp
 55 37     SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
254 FE   7 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
 56 38     NCK30Obj.esp
 57 39     PsycheAnimationObjects.esp
 58 3a     Forgotten Wenches.esp
 59 3b     FNISSexyMove.esp
 60 3c     VioLens SE.esp
 61 3d     UltimateCombat.esp
 62 3e     12FemaleBrows.esp
 63 3f     HOR_AlchemyXP60.esp
 64 40     Craftable Crossbows Immersive x2.esp
 65 41     SL Deadly Drain.esp
254 FE   8 SexlabFN.esp
 66 42     FemaleOutfitReplacer.esp
 67 43     JKs Skyrim.esp
 68 44     BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp
254 FE   9 SLKidnapped_FemaleAddon.esp
 69 45     Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
 70 46     Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
 71 47     OBIS SE.esp
 72 48     Immersive Encounters.esp
 73 49     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 74 4a     Immersive Weapons.esp
 75 4b     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 76 4c     HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp
 77 4d     WZOblivionArtifacts.esp
 78 4e     SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
 79 4f     Skinny-Dip Skyrim SL.esp
 80 50     Hateful Wenches.esp
254 FE   a Damsels in Distress.esp
 81 51     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 82 52     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 83 53     MoreNastyCritters.esp
 84 54     Bijin Warmaidens.esp
 85 55     Bijin NPCs.esp
254 FE   b HandgunsOfSkyrim.esp
 86 56     Scent of Sex.esp
254 FE   c JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp
254 FE   d New Hagravens.esp
 87 57     Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
 88 58     Deadly Wenches.esp
 89 59     ERF - Succubus.esp
 90 5a     Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
 91 5b     HF_Heljarchen_PHB_EX.esp
 92 5c     EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
 93 5d     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
 94 5e     ElysiumEstate.esp
 95 5f     SOS - Shop.esp
 96 60     BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
254 FE   e BBLSExtBeds.esp
 97 61     SpousesEnhancedSE.esp
 98 62     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
 99 63     The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp
100 64     FayeFG.esp
101 65     My Home Is Your Home.esp
102 66     RosaFollower.esp
103 67     Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
104 68     FNISspells.esp
105 69     SL_Kidnapped_Redux.esp
106 6a     SexLabStopCombat.esp
254 FE   f Giantesses.esp
254 FE  10 TAWOBA Remastered Leveled List.esp
107 6b     SLDrunk.esp
108 6c     NiOverridePoseAdjustments.esp
254 FE  11 [NINI] Death Lady.esp
254 FE  12 BakaFactoryABC.esp
109 6d     sandboxcylinderheight.esp
110 6e     SOSRaceMenu.esp
254 FE  13 CS-BBLS.esp
111 6f     CharacterMakingExtender.esp
112 70     RaceMenu.esp
113 71     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
114 72     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
115 73     Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
116 74     Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
254 FE  14 CACO_Survival Mode_Patch.esp
254 FE  15 CC-Fishing_CACO_Patch.esp
254 FE  16 CACO Rare Curios Patch.esp
254 FE  17 CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp
254 FE  18 CACO_Saints&Seducers.esp
254 FE  19 ElysiumEstate_CACO_Patch.esp
117 75     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
254 FE  1a CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
118 76     HOR_OrdinatorPatch.esp
119 77     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
120 78     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
           RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
121 79     RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE  1b RelationshipDialogueOverhaul_CACO_Patch.esp
122 7a     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Ghost-O

[traison]

Load order of plugins has nothing to do with nif files themselves. What you should be focusing on is the conflicts tab of XP32 and MNC. Typically having anything that overrides XP32 is a bad idea, and if something happens to be overriding the goat files in MNC then, well, there's yer problem.

[Ghost-O]

I actually tried to run the game as I wanted to with all the plugins and things went normal (except the two yellowshirts in front of Whiterun does not even there); so I ran to the other farm with goat near that watchtower......and I CTD-ed again. crash-2022-12-04-13-46-49.txt

Looks like when I thought I learned something new, game went 'you know nothing Jon Snow' me. Aiyo.
This is the load order used for that crash btw

Spoiler

[00]     Skyrim.esm
    [01]     Update.esm
    [02]     Dawnguard.esm
    [03]     HearthFires.esm
    [04]     Dragonborn.esm
    [05]     ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm
    [06]     ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
    [07]     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
    [08]     SexLab.esm
    [09]     3DNPC.esp
    [0A]     SexLabAroused.esm
    [0B]     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
    [0C]     GenderBender.esm
    [0D]     FlowerGirls SE.esm
    [0E]     CreatureFramework.esm
    [0F]     PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm
    [10]     DA_Skyship.esm
    [11]     BBLuxurySuite.esm
    [12]     RaceCompatibility.esm
    [13]     battlenymphs.esm
    [14]     JSwordsD.esm
    [15]     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
    [16]     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
    [17]     SkyUI_SE.esp
    [18]     Obsidian Weathers.esp
    [19]     Immersive Wenches.esp
    [1A]     XPMSE.esp
    [1B]     FNIS.esp
    [1C]     SkyrimRecycling.esp
    [1D]     SkyrimRecycling_noExp.esp
    [1E]     50 More Perk Points.esp
    [1F]     Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
    [20]     Bijin Wives.esp
    [21]     SexLabMatchMaker.esp
    [22]     SexLabDefeat.esp
    [23]     TDF Aroused Sexy Idles.esp
    [24]     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
    [25]     SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
    [26]     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
    [27]     SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp
    [28]     SOS - TRX - Male Addon.esp
    [29]     GenderBenderAddon-BoundCock.esp
    [2A]     WetFunction.esp
    [2B]     SOS_Ho.esp
    [2C]     KS Hairdo's.esp
    [2D]     ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp
    [2E]     SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp
    [2F]     RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
    [30]     UIExtensions.esp
    [31]     SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
    [32]     SLAnimLoader.esp
    [33]     SexLabTools.esp
    [34]     Blush When Aroused.esp
    [35]     SLACS.esp
    [36]     SexLabDangerousNights2.esp
    [37]     SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
    [38]     NCK30Obj.esp
    [39]     PsycheAnimationObjects.esp
    [3A]     Forgotten Wenches.esp
    [3B]     FNISSexyMove.esp
    [3C]     VioLens SE.esp
    [3D]     UltimateCombat.esp
    [3E]     12FemaleBrows.esp
    [3F]     HOR_AlchemyXP60.esp
    [40]     Craftable Crossbows Immersive x2.esp
    [41]     SL Deadly Drain.esp
    [42]     FemaleOutfitReplacer.esp
    [43]     JKs Skyrim.esp
    [44]     BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp
    [45]     Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
    [46]     Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
    [47]     OBIS SE.esp
    [48]     Immersive Encounters.esp
    [49]     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
    [4A]     Immersive Weapons.esp
    [4B]     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
    [4C]     HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp
    [4D]     WZOblivionArtifacts.esp
    [4E]     SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
    [4F]     Skinny-Dip Skyrim SL.esp
    [50]     Hateful Wenches.esp
    [51]     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
    [52]     Immersive Patrols II.esp
    [53]     MoreNastyCritters.esp
    [54]     Bijin Warmaidens.esp
    [55]     Bijin NPCs.esp
    [56]     Scent of Sex.esp
    [57]     Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
    [58]     Deadly Wenches.esp
    [59]     ERF - Succubus.esp
    [5A]     Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
    [5B]     HF_Heljarchen_PHB_EX.esp
    [5C]     EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
    [5D]     Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
    [5E]     ElysiumEstate.esp
    [5F]     SOS - Shop.esp
    [60]     BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
    [61]     SpousesEnhancedSE.esp
    [62]     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
    [63]     The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp
    [64]     FayeFG.esp
    [65]     My Home Is Your Home.esp
    [66]     RosaFollower.esp
    [67]     Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
    [68]     FNISspells.esp
    [69]     SL_Kidnapped_Redux.esp
    [6A]     SexLabStopCombat.esp
    [6B]     SLDrunk.esp
    [6C]     NiOverridePoseAdjustments.esp
    [6D]     sandboxcylinderheight.esp
    [6E]     SOSRaceMenu.esp
    [6F]     CharacterMakingExtender.esp
    [70]     RaceMenu.esp
    [71]     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
    [72]     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
    [73]     Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
    [74]     Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
    [75]     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
    [76]     HOR_OrdinatorPatch.esp
    [77]     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
    [78]     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
    [79]     RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
    [7A]     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
    [FE:000] ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
    [FE:001] ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
    [FE:002] SexLab sslAnimationSlots 2000 SE.esl
    [FE:003] ECE Sliders for Racemenu.esl
    [FE:004] CBBE.esp
    [FE:005] 3DNPC0.esp
    [FE:006] 3DNPC1.esp
    [FE:007] SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
    [FE:008] SexlabFN.esp
    [FE:009] SLKidnapped_FemaleAddon.esp
    [FE:00A] Damsels in Distress.esp
    [FE:00B] HandgunsOfSkyrim.esp
    [FE:00C] JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp
    [FE:00D] New Hagravens.esp
    [FE:00E] BBLSExtBeds.esp
    [FE:00F] Giantesses.esp
    [FE:010] TAWOBA Remastered Leveled List.esp
    [FE:011] [NINI] Death Lady.esp
    [FE:012] BakaFactoryABC.esp
    [FE:013] CS-BBLS.esp
    [FE:014] CACO_Survival Mode_Patch.esp
    [FE:015] CC-Fishing_CACO_Patch.esp
    [FE:016] CACO Rare Curios Patch.esp
    [FE:017] CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp
    [FE:018] CACO_Saints&Seducers.esp
    [FE:019] ElysiumEstate_CACO_Patch.esp
    [FE:01A] CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
    [FE:01B] RelationshipDialogueOverhaul_CACO_Patch.esp
 

looking at the other modlist, even with the new load-list it should fulfil the thing MNC asked to (XPMSE before MNC)

1 hour ago, traison said:

Load order of plugins has nothing to do with nif files themselves. What you should be focusing on is the conflicts tab of XP32 and MNC. Typically having anything that overrides XP32 is a bad idea, and if something happens to be overriding the goat files in MNC then, well, there's yer problem.

I.......am looking at the conflict tab and I found these


I guess NiOverride Pose Adjustments is also one of the issue?
*edit* Nvm, it looks like it does conflict with XPMSSE, but issue with goat skeletons still persist*

Edited December 4, 2022 by Ghost-O
added more info

[Ghost-O]

So a bit of small update

I was thinking, 'if the skeletal issues are caused by something between XPMSSE and MNC and JK Skyrim, disabling both MNC and JK should fix that?'
And I was partially right. Using Another Start (because god-dang Helgen is a long session), at least now my character can enter Skyrim (it usually not even allowing me to enter the overworld with MNC + JK installed). But CTD on seeing goat still persist.

And looking at the crash logcrash-2022-12-05-12-42-29.txt , it appears skeleton are still issue.
And now that even it mentioned Dragonborn.

But then I remembered something about 'cleaning the esm' using xEdit in the past. And it also mentioned in LOOT page.
And apparently JK (or more should I say any city overhaul mods) are generally fucking with Immersive mods, especially the citizen AI that I have installed.

So yea, I guess I would try to use the xEdit tomorrow and see if the skeletons are still fucking with me even after not using MNC and JK Skyrim.

[traison]

Careful if you clean the vanilla esms. Cleaning dragonborn.esm for instance will break the last fight in aprocrypha completely, as in, 90 of the entire dungeon is gone.

[Ghost-O]

Unfortunately, cleaning esm does little to the issue
crash-2022-12-05-14-06-40(with cleaned esm, no Nio+MNC+JKSkyrim).txt
and culprit is still more or less the same, with goat as the culprit.
.......But its weird tho. Why NiNode is always constantly mentioned?

Googling forward, looks like SIC had something to do with it. Let's see if disabling those will actually solve things this time

17 hours ago, traison said:

Careful if you clean the vanilla esms. Cleaning dragonborn.esm for instance will break the last fight in aprocrypha completely, as in, 90 of the entire dungeon is gone.

errrr, whoops?
Guess I will cross the burden and redownload the uncleaned Dragonborn.esm from steam when the time comes
 

 

[Ghost-O]

I finally found a breakthrough, finally.

Holy Akatosh.

I was tinkering things left and right (even reinstalled XPMSSE, MNC, and on-offing other stuff), and then in a sheer desperation I am looking back to all crash logs I am amassed so far. 

 

On 12/4/2022 at 3:30 PM, traison said:

goatwithbell.nif is your issue, or (less likely) its skeleton.nif. Potentially something to do with "oat_Tongue08", which is most likely "Goat_Tongue08" with the pointer being offset by 1.

...........................

Where goatwithbell.nif is provided by MoreNastyCritters_v12_5SE, and the skeleton.nif is provided by XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended-1988-4-80-1610196777.

This is strangely the answer, and also my source of next confusion.
I decided to disable ABC..........................................and it worked. No weird or bad bone allocation on SIC, no conflicts on goat inside JK Skyrim, no more crashing on goat.
Well, the caveat is
1. I only test it on 2 exact locations where I can see goat. The farm where you spot cicero and Whiterun
2. As an exchange, game actually crashed when I quit to main menu. 
crash-2022-12-06-13-51-07.txt

Thing is..... (paraphrasing the ABC's description)

Spoiler

 

 

What's New in Version 2.80V

Released November 2

............

 

2.70V

- Added Goat's genital and tongue. It supports CBPC, SMP, HDT-PE(LE Skyrim)

 

2.71V

- Added missing goat tongue texture

 

2.80V

- Added new Horker ABC

......If I read it right, the goat tongue texture should be there. Weird.
Then again, as you pointed out.....the issue is the script not reading the G in Goat
Also regarding the 'pointer being offset by 1' issue.........uh, can I fix that myself? 

I guess tomorrow I would thoroughly test if ABC really is the cause. 
In the meantime, let me celebrate with reenacting justice over my 5 days of modding misery
 

Spoiler

 

[traison]

50 minutes ago, Ghost-O said:

pointer being offset by 1

 

I shall quote myself:

On 12/4/2022 at 12:09 PM, traison said:

No, the pointer being offset by 1 most likely only means the code started to "read" the node name "Goat_Tongue08". Irrelevant in this case, I just mentioned it to explain where I got the "G" from.

 

As for your latest crash: SLKidnapped_FemaleAddon.esp is conflicting with Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp. It seems like SL Kidnapped has deleted 0x00073FBD, which the other plugin is trying to use. Gonna need to make/find a patch for that.

[Ghost-O]

So.....yeah.

 

I have done quite a number of testing and I can say that any crashes involving goat are now......zero at present time.

 

I still got a few lingering questions, but I feel that its no longer within the scope of this topic; so for now I guess......case closed?

 

Leaving this topic not-deleted incase anyone else have the same issue.