CTD's when using doors, traveling, ...

[BananaMage]

Hello, I've been lurking this forum for about a week, maybe 2 now and I have to say I'm quite impressed at the creativity here.

Also I find that this is a helpful community, seeing many people helping each other out by improving upon other's work and such.

 

Now I guess it's my time to try ... I've been regularly having crashes when traveling through doors and such and I've read that a wrong mod load order can make all the difference.

 

So I hope I'm gonna post this right.

 

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  x117race.esm
03  Lovers with PK.esm
04  Abriael_Human.esm
05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
06  Chanpon.esm
07  CM Partners.esm
08  DKImperials.esm
09  Twilight Elves.esm
0A  _amnes_base.esm
0B  X.Races.Comp.esm
0C  Moonshadow Elves - NoSc.esm
0D  Lattamerv3.esm
0E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0F  AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp
10  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.2]
11  Nona.esp
12  SuccubusRace.esp
13  Blood Elves.esp
14  DesuChan's Dolls.esp
15  Warcraftelf.esp
16  DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
17  Synx.esp
18  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
19  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
1A  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
1B  AutoSetBody.esp
1C  Knights.esp
1D  LoversFSE.esp
1E  LoversAdultPlayPlus.esp
1F  LoversRaperS.esp
20  LoversJoburg.esp
21  LoversBed.esp
22  LoversPayBandit.esp
23  LoversPower.esp
24  LoversContraception.esp
25  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 90]
26  LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
27  LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
28  LoversRapeSlave.esp
29  LoversAdultYield.esp
2A  LoversSlavePlay.esp
2B  LoversTachiCat2.esp
2C  LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp
2D  LoversHideMenus.esp
2E  LoversStopCombatEx.esp
2F  LoversBackup2.esp
30  SetBody.esp
31  Elemental Horses.esp
32  CapesandCloaks.esp
33  Villages.esp
34  Lop-ears Elf.esp
35  Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: x117race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
**  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
36  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
37  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp
38  x117race.esp
++  x117Race ENG Race.esp
39  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
3A  LoversMB2.esp
3B  Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
3C  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
3D  Lovers3dorgasm.esp
3E  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
3F  zzEstrus.esp
40  Bodies-B-Gone.esp
41  CM Partners.esp
42  CM Partners NPC.esp
43  CM Partners More NPCs.esp
44  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
45  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
46  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
47  CM Nona.esp
48  CM Blood Elves.esp
49  DN13CMP_-_LittleLadies&Lords.esp
4A  LCG_Alexia.esp
4B  DMRA Stock Clothing Skimpy.esp
4C  CM Pym.esp
4D  CMIsabell.esp
4E  CM Partner Remara Taywiin.esp
4F  CM Pellena Trader Twins.esp
50  CM Partner Valen.esp
51  kgt_Yxxe.esp
52  Abriael_Human.esp
53  Nec Mystic High Elf-Mellow.esp
54  kgt_Avve.esp
55  CM_Lantice.esp
56  BSQHikari.esp
57  cm partners ely.esp
58  CM_Zheane.esp
59  CMTrixi.esp
5A  cmLegacy.esp
5B  CM_Synx_Sara.esp
5C  CM Partner Isabell.esp
5D  CM Partner Sandra.esp
5E  Lilyana.esp
5F  cmALiceKaty.esp
60  CM Partner Franziska.esp
61  TACMTifaLovehart.esp
62  ComVeronia.esp
63  CM recruits.esp
64  CM Apprentices.esp
65  CM Partner Liana.esp
66  CMSuccubusSS&L.esp
67  CM Athorielle.esp
68  CM AshenRose.esp
69  cmKittyCole.esp
6A  cmAbbeyAeryn.esp
6B  Retma Dresses.esp
6C  Colourwheels Sexy Dark brotherhood.esp
6D  Colourwheels Sexy Silk Lingerie HGEC.esp
6E  Colourwheels Sexy Tavern HGEC.esp
6F  ColourWheels Sexy Milk Maid HGEC.esp
70  Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp
71  Sexy Mandarin Dress.esp
72  Slaveknight armor.esp
73  milkslave.esp
74  LeatherArmor.esp
75  Juliajeans.esp
76  Ryk_Swimwear.esp
77  Negligee.esp
78  Bellenia's Feathered Cap.esp
79  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
7A  Super Crazy Cut denim hot pants.esp  [Version 1.0]
7B  DMRA BBB Skimpy Emperor Robe.esp
7C  LustyBretonnianMaid.esp
7D  CSRBW.esp
7E  Cute Summer Wears.esp
7F  Resort Beach Outfits.esp
80  Black Leather Outfits.esp
81  SurCoatArmor.esp
82  Boidae Outfits.esp
83  HepsCloth01-Coveralls.esp
84  Gizmodian - Eclipse.esp
85  SkipChargen.esp
86  HentaiDarkLilith.esp
87  EY_AoD.esp
88  leia.esp
89  HGECSteelhooves.esp
8A  CB Rogue Armor.esp
8B  HGEC Latex Ninja Armor V1.1.esp
8C  AionRedResearcher.esp
8D  XelusBayonettaHGEC.esp
8E  Xelus Dark Mistress.esp
8F  XELUSAmySorel.esp
90  DarkSeducerGoldenSaintArmor.esp
91  Ogre armor.esp
92  Talim.esp
93  Selvaria.esp
94  CaiXianghua.esp
95  IreneLoC.esp
96  CWF43.esp
97  HentaiNightmareArmor.esp
98  Demonic Monstera.esp
99  Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.esp  [Version 1.0]
9A  ISSorrowKatana.esp
9B  ISbrandSwords.esp
9C  UFF & RM Black Plate Armor.esp
9D  SwordDancer.esp
9E  Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp
9F  IvyArmor_Full.esp
A0  Tyrael Armor.esp
A1  UFF Sinblood's Velvet Rose.esp
A2  R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp
A3  HGEC B-cup DBA.esp
A4  HGEC AA,B,D-Cup Chainmail None replacer.esp
A5  TERAequipment.esp
A6  ArchmageSorceress.esp
A7  SexyDance.esp
A8  AttributesEasy.esp
A9  CTAddPose_Gaff_01.esp
AA  CTAddPose_Gaff_02.esp
AB  More Training-1908.esp

 

 

This is my load order, and if anyone has a way better suggestion, I am open for it, seeing as I do not yet fully understand this part of modding. Also if anyone is interested in the mods, feel free to ask me and I will point you to the source if I can find it again.

 

As for the rest, I'm quite busy working all the time so hopefully when I get home somebody will have found a solution, but either way, thanks for your time.

[Uriel]

Where are you running...that? What's your system's specs?

[BananaMage]

Where are you running...that? What's your system's specs?

 

4 GB Ram, WinXP SP3, Geforce GTX 280, Core i7 ... don't know what to mention.

[Ark of Truth]

Is it all doors or just certain doors. (Certain city, building?)

[Uriel]

Do you have 4gb patch applied? Without it your oblivion is limited to 2Gb's of RAM. With all those mods running this might be a problem.

Do you really need all those mods? Are you using all those custom races?

[gregathit]

Well, lets start with the obvious errors:

 

34 Lop-ears Elf.esp

35 Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp

----> Delinquent MASTER: x117race.esp

 

1. You should ONLY have one of the above two mods enabled.

2. You have a dependent plugin "above" its master (the master file for the lop ears elf plugin is x117race.esp) when it MUST be below it.

3. Pick only one of the two plugins and move it to be below x117race.esp and rebuild your bashed patch - but don't do it just yet - there are other things you need to do first.

 

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Next, up lovers. If you are going to ignore all of the information we have on the site you might as well just uninstall the lovers system. Either move all of the below to the very bottom of you load order or uninstall lovers:

3A LoversMB2.esp

3B Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp

3C LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

3D Lovers3dorgasm.esp

3E LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

Lovers HAS to have these files at the bottom or it will suffer from other things over-riding it and now work properly.

 

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Next, your bashed patch. I have no idea why you have your bashed patch up that high but clearly you aren't understanding what it is used for. It is meant as a conflict resolution tool. If it is that high up in your load order then it isn't resolving as many conflicts as it should and "could" be over-ridden by plugins below it. Oblivion works off of a system in which in cases of conflict the plugin that is lowest in your load order "wins" the conflict. See the problem? Move your bashed patch down to the bottom of your load order (just above LoversMB2.esp as you currently have it, once you move those to the bottom of your load order too). You will need to rebuild your bashed patch but don't do it just yet.

 

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Next up, you need to grab tes4gecko from the nexus and start combining your armor\clothing\weapons plugins. Anything that has just a couple of those in it has got to either be merged with tes4gecko or done manually via the CS or gotten rid of.

 

The reason for this is: Stability. There are too many chances of one of those files containing a dirty edit that can lead to all sorts of problems, like what you are currently having or much worse. By doing this you could eliminate about 1/4 to 1/3 of the esp's you currently have.

 

After combining the small weapons\armors\clothing plugins into one esp you need to move it to just under Oscuro's overhaul plugin (the esp).

 

Finally move all remaining armors\weapons\clothing mods that you have not merged via tes4gecko to be just under Oscuro's overhaul plugin.

 

NOTE: Avoid merging any "big" armor or clothes plugins - just target the ones with one or a few items.

 

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Next, CM Partners - seriously consider dumping these. CM partners is a motherload of bad news at times. I improved my games stability about 40% just by dumping them. They contain a butt load of scripting that can cause slowdowns, crashes and corrupt save games. If you do decide to keep them, then move them up to the top 1/3 of your load order. After moving them check using Wrye for any delinquent masters and move any other items as necessary to correct the master errors. You may end up having to lower the CM partners stuff to around the halfway point of your load order. MCS (Mad Companion Spells) is an excellent replacement for CM Partners and it can be found here on the site under the non-adult downloads for oblivion.

 

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Once you have done the above steps (or skipped any you don't agree with) then disable all lovers esp and esm files and rebuild your bashed patch (lovers esp and esm files must not be included in any way in your bashed patch - unless a plugin specifically says it needs to be). After rebuilding your bashed patch, enable your lovers plugins and start a new game to see if you can travel about and enter doors without crashing.

 

Cheers,

Greg

[Shiloh2012]

Darn, I KNEW GregatHit would beat me to the punch while I was getting a cup of tea! I put my suggestions in a spoiler if you're interested...

 

 

That's a terrbie load order - sorry. Have you arranged it with BOSS and manually set your Lover's Mods? As well, don't include any Lover's files (except those that explicitly tell you to do so) in your bashed patch.

 

34 Lop-ears Elf.esp

35 Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp

Pick only one - then move the one you prefer below your MBP files.

 

Generally speaking:

All clothes/armour/weapons mods should be near the top of your load order.

Animation / Pose mods should be above your bashed patch. I place them just above my MBP files.

Add-On races should be above your Bashed Patch. I place them just under my MBP files.

CM parters need to be above your Bashed Patch. I USED to place them just under my custom race files.

 

Nothing should be below these:

3A LoversMB2.esp

3B Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp

3C LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

3D Lovers3dorgasm.esp

3E LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

If I was you, I'd run BOSS, manually set my Lover's Mods, cluster like mods together (clothes with clothes / races with races), and completely remove CM Partners.

 

After arranging your load order, do a clean save without CM Partners (a lot of them are very poorly done) and test your game. If you insist on using CM Partners, start adding them one-by-one under your races. For a better, more Lover's compatible companion mod, try Mad Companionsip Spells. I got rid of a lot of my crashing problems when I ditched CM Partners altogether.

 

Example Load Order courtesy of GregatHit. (Scroll down and read the spoiler).

 

[gregathit]

Shiloh2012, it is always good to have others backing you up! We are in complete agreement on the proposed changes.

 

Cheers,

Greg

[BananaMage]

I just got back from work and I am very thankfull that you have replied with such extensive feedback.

 

Also don't get me wrong, I didn't ignore all the information on the site, I had my lover plugins in the order I was advised to put them, of course I didn't completely understand that they also needed to be at the absolute bottom of the list, I figured they were just supposed to be lower than the other plugins from the guidelines I have followed.

 

Also I have indeed applied the patch to remove the 2GB limit from Oblivion.

 

About the Lop-ears elves, I have had errors about them indeed but had no idea what to do with it.

 

I tried to keep my bashed patch up that high because I thought it had to load somewhere near certain previous files.

Of course I was wrong again but at least now I know why.

 

As for the CM Partners, I don't even like that mod but I was unable to find a replacement of which I knew it could support the CM Follower plugins, I will definitely look into MCS, I do hope however, that I can still have companions with modded hair ( from 2ch. Beauty thing pack and such ) and other stuff like that.

 

Either way, I must thank you for all this advice and I will now begin cleaning up my mods, and I will probably post here again to let you know how it went... Probably better than right now anyways.

 

Also, it does not apply to all doors, but for example, certain places were more sensitive of where I knew I was going to find a bunch of random CM Followers and such.

 

Also as a small token of my appreciation, here's a nipple, if my mods work, you get two!

 

I also want to ask, about TES4Gecko, I have now merged several plugins into one, am I now supposed to delete the ESP's I have used to merge, and simply leave their folders for the new plugin to use?

[BananaMage]

Here's an update of what I have done now, putting in a different post just to have it organized. Active Mod Files:

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  x117race.esm
03  Lovers with PK.esm
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
05  CM Partners.esm
06  X.Races.Comp.esm
07  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
09  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
0A  MergedAppearanceItems.esp
0B  MergedSorrowWeapons.esp
0C  DMRA Stock Clothing Skimpy.esp
0D  LustyBretonnianMaid.esp
0E  Demonic Monstera.esp
0F  Warglaives by Jojjo v1.0.esp  [Version 1.0]
10  Tyrael Armor.esp
11  R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp
12  TERAequipment.esp
13  ArchmageSorceress.esp
14  Slaveknight armor.esp
15  DarkSeducerGoldenSaintArmor.esp
16  Gizmodian - Eclipse.esp
17  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
18  AutoSetBody.esp
19  Knights.esp
1A  Elemental Horses.esp
1B  CapesandCloaks.esp
1C  Villages.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
**  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
1D  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
1E  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp
1F  x117race.esp
++  x117Race ENG Race.esp
20  Lop-ears Elf.esp
21  zzEstrus.esp
22  Bodies-B-Gone.esp
23  Colourwheels Sexy Dark brotherhood.esp
24  Colourwheels Sexy Tavern HGEC.esp
25  Colourwheels Sexy Skyrim Outpost HGEC.esp
26  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
27  SkipChargen.esp
28  SexyDance.esp
29  AttributesEasy.esp
2A  CTAddPose_Gaff_01.esp
2B  CTAddPose_Gaff_02.esp
2C  More Training-1908.esp
2D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

Also, a small status update, I have extensively tested the Lovers Lab mods for 2 hours without a single failure, no crash occured, I didn't mention any crashes related to the mods because I thought they were just a part of the bigger problem I had.

 

I'm now going to try a shit load of doors, and try to figure out how the new companion mod works.

 

Either way, it's way better than it was and therefore I thank you once again.

Also I nominated you for the Prestigious Tit Award and it turns out you won, congratulations.

 

 

 

Another update, I've crashed 2 times so far, once while using a Lovers Mod and another time when traveling trough a door, however I'm still happy it doesn't occur as often as it did, but I still need to figure out something, if there's anything I might have overlooked, feel free to tell me.