Instant detection when sneaking

[Sunnstor]

Hello, just when I was sure to have seen the most curious bugs this game is capable of, there is something to surprise me:

 

Rather suddenly, the sneak skill changed into an instant detection skill. As soon as I press the sneak button, every enemy in the area will detect my character. Hiding behind walls and doors or behind NPCs doesn't work anymore. Its like sneaking is a way to make everybody constantly knowing where my character hides.

 

I'm currently playing "From the Deeps", and this happened after the part where I had to escape from the wrist / ankle cuffs and plan my revenge, but I couldn't find anything related to this mod theis producing this new sneak behaviour.

 

Is this a known bug and if yes, is there a way to get rid of it?

[Wolborg]

OMG, I was just recently wondering why the wolves in distance would mind their own business if I just stood there, but as soon as I went into sneak mode, they would notice me and attack. I thought it was because of a mod I had installed. I have been testing many mods recently, keeping some and discarding some. This sneak weirdness must be caused by one of those mods.

 

[Wolborg]

 

is there a way to get rid of it?

 

 

I have a suggestion. Please tell me which ones of the following mods you are using. That should help us to narrow the problem down somewhat – because it is likely that the fault lies with a mod we are both using.

 

 

 

 

A Beast Race Beautiful

Adal Matar - Fight Against the Thalmor 1

Agent of Righteous Might

Alternative Nude Texture for CBBE

Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors

Apachii SkyHair Female

Ash Pile Expiration

Aurora Village

Authentic Windhelm

Auto Unequip Ammo

Bard Instrumentals Only

Better Khajiit female body Texture

Better Stealth AI for Followers

Better Torches

Beyond Reach

BlackLand

Bloody Dragon Bones

Body Slots MCM

Border Sense

Brawl Bugs Patch

CBBE

CBBEv3M Body Replacer

Coin Replacer Redux

College Students

Compass Mod - Immersive Undiscovered Locations

Consistent Older People

CoP - Markarth

CoP Whiterun

Crash Fixes

Crowded Solitude

Darkend

DCE - Realistic Male Face

Drinks for the Thirsty

Drop Lit Torches

Dunmerized Gray Quarter

Elisdriel - Bosmer inspired tree house

Enchantment Reload Fix

Extensible Follower Framework

Falkreath Hold Extended

Falskaar

Feminine Argonian Textures

Follower Trap Safety

Fox Club Z

Get Snowy

Glowing enemies

Handsome male elves and humans

Hide Those Futile Quests

Higher Bounties for Crimes

Holidays

Housecarl and Homeowner Greeting Fix

Immersive Dawnguard Dayspring Pass

Immersive detection by NPC

Immersive Fallen Trees Mod

ImpeREAL - Falkreath

Ish's Souls to Perks

Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items

Kidmer - Adoptable Elf Children

Lanterns of Skyrim

Legendary cities - Tes Arena

Less Harsh Elves

Lets get naked

Long-Lasting Night Eye

Make Haste

MJY The Mysterious Island

Moon and Star

Moonpath to Elsweyr - Improved

More Tavern Idles

NARC - No Animals Report Crimes

Nernies Thief Pack

No Health Regen

No Naked Comments

No NPC Greetings

No same sex

No Spinning Death Animation

Old Hroldan Ruins

OneTweak

Open Faced Guard Helmets

Orc female idle fix

Perseids Inns and Taverns

Populated Prisons

Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells Reborn

Practical Female Armors

Quality Snow HD

Raven Rock Expanded

Real Rain

Realistic Nights

Serana Dialogue Edit

Sexy Winterhold College

Skyrim Better Roads

Skyrim Creature Size Variants

Skyrim Elys MemInfo

Skyrim Modesty Mod

Skyrim Realistic Archery

Sleep Tight

Sleeping Innkeepers

Smart Training

Snow City - The Great Expansion of Windhelm

Summerset Isle

Thats Racist

The Forgotten City

The Naked Dragon

Trade and Barter

Traps Make Noise

Uncapper

Understandable Draugrs

Vendor Sale Delay Gone

Weighted Arrows

When Vampires Attack

Whiterun Expansion Redone

Windhelm Exterior Altered

Windhelm Lighthouse

Winterhold Housecarl

Wood Elf Refuge - A Bosmer Camp

World Map Min Max Height Pitch Tweak

 

 

 

[Sunnstor]

 

 

is there a way to get rid of it?

 

 

I have a suggestion. Please tell me which ones of the following mods you are using. That should help us to narrow the problem down somewhat – because it is likely that the fault lies with a mod we are both using.

 

 

 

 

A Beast Race Beautiful

Adal Matar - Fight Against the Thalmor 1

Agent of Righteous Might

Alternative Nude Texture for CBBE

Animated Dwemer Lift Load Doors

Apachii SkyHair Female

Ash Pile Expiration

Aurora Village

Authentic Windhelm

Auto Unequip Ammo

Bard Instrumentals Only

Better Khajiit female body Texture

Better Stealth AI for Followers

Better Torches

Beyond Reach

BlackLand

Bloody Dragon Bones

Body Slots MCM

Border Sense

Brawl Bugs Patch

CBBE

CBBEv3M Body Replacer

Coin Replacer Redux

College Students

Compass Mod - Immersive Undiscovered Locations

Consistent Older People

CoP - Markarth

CoP Whiterun

Crash Fixes

Crowded Solitude

Darkend

DCE - Realistic Male Face

Drinks for the Thirsty

Drop Lit Torches

Dunmerized Gray Quarter

Elisdriel - Bosmer inspired tree house

Enchantment Reload Fix

Extensible Follower Framework

Falkreath Hold Extended

Falskaar

Feminine Argonian Textures

Follower Trap Safety

Fox Club Z

Get Snowy

Glowing enemies

Handsome male elves and humans

Hide Those Futile Quests

Higher Bounties for Crimes

Holidays

Housecarl and Homeowner Greeting Fix

Immersive Dawnguard Dayspring Pass

Immersive detection by NPC

Immersive Fallen Trees Mod

ImpeREAL - Falkreath

Ish's Souls to Perks

Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items

Kidmer - Adoptable Elf Children

Lanterns of Skyrim

Legendary cities - Tes Arena

Less Harsh Elves

Lets get naked

Long-Lasting Night Eye

Make Haste

MJY The Mysterious Island

Moon and Star

Moonpath to Elsweyr - Improved

More Tavern Idles

NARC - No Animals Report Crimes

Nernies Thief Pack

No Health Regen

No Naked Comments

No NPC Greetings

No same sex

No Spinning Death Animation

Old Hroldan Ruins

OneTweak

Open Faced Guard Helmets

Orc female idle fix

Perseids Inns and Taverns

Populated Prisons

Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells Reborn

Practical Female Armors

Quality Snow HD

Raven Rock Expanded

Real Rain

Realistic Nights

Serana Dialogue Edit

Sexy Winterhold College

Skyrim Better Roads

Skyrim Creature Size Variants

Skyrim Elys MemInfo

Skyrim Modesty Mod

Skyrim Realistic Archery

Sleep Tight

Sleeping Innkeepers

Smart Training

Snow City - The Great Expansion of Windhelm

Summerset Isle

Thats Racist

The Forgotten City

The Naked Dragon

Trade and Barter

Traps Make Noise

Uncapper

Understandable Draugrs

Vendor Sale Delay Gone

Weighted Arrows

When Vampires Attack

Whiterun Expansion Redone

Windhelm Exterior Altered

Windhelm Lighthouse

Winterhold Housecarl

Wood Elf Refuge - A Bosmer Camp

World Map Min Max Height Pitch Tweak

 

 

 

 

 

Hello, I marked the ones I use bold and underlined, but those don't seem very likely to cause this damn issue. It seems to me like something with the game engine went mad (due to script stress maybe?!) and is now rooted in the save game. I tried to get rif of it by using invisibilty potions (Nothing, still instant detection when pressing the sneak button) and increasing the sneak skill by trainers, but without effect. It is like the Sneak skill is inverted ?!

 

[Wolborg]

those don't seem very likely to cause this damn issue.

 

 

Yeah, I totally agree with you.

 

 

It seems to me like something with the game engine went mad (due to script stress maybe?!) and is now rooted in the save game. !

 

 

This can be verified. Start a new game, for example by entering the console command "COC Riverwood" in the main menu and walk to, like, Windhelm, past Valtheim. You will surely encounter some wolves on the road so you'll be able to see how they behave when you sneak or don't sneak. The same with the bandits at Valtheim.

 

I'll do the same. It hadn't occurred to me until I read you reply.

[Sunnstor]

Starting a new game with the same mods does not include the Sneak detection feature, and it also happened first after several hours of playing (Character is level 20+), so I'm pretty sure its something messed up in the save game.

 

I'm not sure how the Skyrim sneak system does work, but there has to be some values / settings which can be changed by using the console to revert this ridicoulus bug. It does not seem to be connected to the sneak skill itself, because this is still 38. There has to be another settings responsible for detection (Like noise, or some kind of spell effect which alarms creatures if the sneak key is pressed?).

 

This is by far the most idiotic bug I encountered in this game so far (And it is my 4th playthrough ).

[Cymoril]

I had the same bug in my game. I could go undetected near anyone and as soon as I switched into sneak mode I was instantly detected. I loaded an earlier save and played with it but suddenly I got this detection bug again, so I took a closer look at my charakter values in the console.

 

It turned out that there is a value named "SneakMod" with default at 0. In the working saves it was still at zero but in the bugged save it was at a ridiculous high negative value at about -100000 (I don't remember the exact figure.) It was possible to fix it by using the console command "player.setav sneakmod <value>" with value at your current figure plus 10. So, If your sneakmod value is currently at -10578.54 the line is "player.setav sneakmod 10588.54".

 

Disclaimer: I don't know if I remember the formula for the setav value correctly. If I'm wrong you just have to work it out yourself...

[Wolborg]

Sure enough, when I started a new game, sneaking worked normally.

 

I will try that sneakmod thing. Thanks.

 

[Sunnstor]

Thank you, that did it!

 

Just one more question: After using the formuar, the sneakmod is now 10.01. I'm not sure if this is the way it should be (Or does it have to be 0?), but this is the value if the character is naked (No magic effects or boosts) and it does not change if moving from shadow to light.

[Cymoril]

As far as I know, the default value for "SneakMod" is exact 0, no matter if the character is clothed, naked or armored. So, it may be that you have to "adjust" the value until it's at 0 again.

 

Just tested it in game. The value stays at 0. To adjust it you can use the prefixes + and - for the value. The problem is, that I don't remember exactly what the needed value is.