MostlySTEP - No CTDs on new game, but after loading a game gives CTD

[Beef Cheeks]

I've recently decided to create a copy of my STEP 2.2.9.1 build and nitpick it into the 2.2.9.2 build, following all changes that were made as stated in the 2.2.9.2 changelog, and double checking the mod list order on the STEP guide, as well as doing some research on mod load order.
 
However, I am at an impass with a very odd CTD.
 
I can start a new game with my mod list, and the mods load fine, CreatureFramework loads fine. I decided for a full test to never activate the SexLab mod in the MCM menu (or even open the MCM menu for that matter). I can play for a good long while, Hadvir meets his friend in Riverwood, we have "dinner", I take his stuff, and exit the home... and then I went afk for about 15 minutes, came back ... damnit it's night time, so let's load the last save when I came out of the house. Not even a minute later, a CTD occurs. But not a normal CTD. This time around, Skyrim freezes for about a second, then shows the "Skyrim has stopped working" window instead of simply crashing to desktop.
 
I then attempted to reopen Skyrim through MO, and reload the save. Loads fine... crash after 1 minute. WTF? This is a fresh new save file? I've never seen something like this.

 

The CTD only occurs after loading a save file. I even tried doing this all over again, getting to a good point after the new save... Saving and quitting to desktop, then loading after starting Skyrim up again... still get a CTD after about a minute. Is the game not saving certain data correctly?
 
Here is my load order:

 

 

 0  0 Skyrim.esm

  1  1 Update.esm

  2  2 Dawnguard.esm

  3  3 HearthFires.esm

  4  4 Dragonborn.esm

  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

  6  6 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

  7  7 Falskaar.esm

  8  8 Wyrmstooth.esp

  9  9 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

 10  a SGHairPackBase.esm

 11  b CreatureFramework.esm

 12  c SexLab.esm

 13  d ZaZAnimationPack.esm

 14  e BeeingFemale.esm

       HighResTexturePack01.esp

       HighResTexturePack02.esp

       HighResTexturePack03.esp

       Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

 15  f Cutting Room Floor.esp

 16 10 Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp

 17 11 SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp

 18 12 Dead Body Collision.esp

 19 13 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

 20 14 DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp

 21 15 DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp

 22 16 Disease Descriptions.esp

 23 17 iHUD.esp

 24 18 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

 25 19 RaceMenu.esp

 26 1a RaceMenuPlugin.esp

 27 1b SkyUI.esp

 28 1c ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp

 29 1d Footprints.esp

 30 1e EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

 31 1f LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp

 32 20 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

 33 21 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

 34 22 BetterQuestObjectives.esp

       Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

 35 23 ADS.esp

 36 24 WetandCold.esp

 37 25 AOS.esp

 38 26 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

 39 27 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

 40 28 aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

 41 29 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

 42 2a TheChoiceIsYours.esp

 43 2b Book Covers Skyrim.esp

 44 2c ELFXEnhancer.esp

 45 2d SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp

 46 2e SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp

 47 2f SoS - The Wilds.esp

 48 30 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

 49 31 Beards.esp

 50 32 Brows.esp

 51 33 ORM-Arvak.esp

 52 34 ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp

 53 35 Elemental Staves.esp

       GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

 54 36 BFSEffects.esp

 55 37 DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp

 56 38 mintylightningmod.esp

 57 39 Rainbows.esp

 58 3a ShootingStars.esp

 59 3b Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp

 60 3c Soul Gems Differ.esp

 61 3d DragonShoutVoice.esp

 62 3e imp_helm_legend.esp

 63 3f SexLabNudeCreatures.esp

 64 40 SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp

 65 41 SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp

 66 42 SoS - Civilization.esp

 67 43 SoS - The Dungeons.esp

 68 44 ELFX - Weathers.esp

 69 45 Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp

 70 46 Animated Weapon Enchants.esp

 71 47 Paralyze.esp

 72 48 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

 73 49 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

 74 4a dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

 75 4b IHSS.esp

 76 4c Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

 77 4d Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

 78 4e Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

 79 4f ClamsDropPearls.esp

 80 50 Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp

 81 51 Convenient Horses.esp

 82 52 Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

 83 53 Lock Overhaul.esp

 84 54 SMDropLitTorch.esp

 85 55 Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

       Traps Make Noise.esp

       WM Trap Fixes.esp

 86 56 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

 87 57 BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp

 88 58 Dual Sheath Redux.esp

 89 59 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

 90 5a Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Vivida ENB.esp

 91 5b RaceMenuOverlayCompilation - CBBE.esp

 92 5c SGHairPackAIO.esp

 93 5d RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

 94 5e XPMSE.esp

 95 5f HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp

 96 60 DBM_WAFR Patch.esp

 97 61 Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp

 98 62 SexLabMatchMaker.esp

 99 63 FNIS.esp

100 64 BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp

101 65 DBM_CCOR_patch.esp

102 66 Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp

103 67 Remodeled Armor.esp

104 68 CopyArmor.esp

105 69 FNIS_PCEA2.esp

106 6a sr_FillHerUp.esp

       STEP DLC Optimized Textures - Standard.esp

       STEP Vanilla Optimized Textures - Standard.esp

107 6b Moss Rocks - Legendary.esp

108 6c AOS2_DSI Patch.esp

109 6d AOS2_EBT Patch.esp

110 6e AOS2_SoS Patch.esp

111 6f Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp

112 70 Vivid Weathers.esp

113 71 WAO - Weather and Ambience Overhaul.esp

114 72 hearthfireextended.esp

115 73 TradeBarter.esp

116 74 Point The Way.esp

117 75 HentaiCreatures.esp

118 76 MoreNastyCritters.esp

119 77 Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp

120 78 BirdsHFclean.esp

121 79 WetandCold - Ashes.esp

122 7a randomthunder.esp

123 7b Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp

124 7c SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp

125 7d FarmhouseChimneys.esp

126 7e RealisticWaterTwo.esp

127 7f RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp

128 80 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

129 81 SFO - Dragonborn.esp

130 82 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp

131 83 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

132 84 PilgrimsDelight.esp

133 85 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

134 86 CRF_LotB_Patch.esp

135 87 BlockSparkles.esp

136 88 Gildergreen Regrown.esp

137 89 Chesko_Step418_SN.esp

138 8a NonEssentialChildren.esp

139 8b BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp

140 8c BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

141 8d Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp

142 8e Dr_Bandolier.esp

143 8f RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp

144 90 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp

145 91 ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp

146 92 FarmhouseChimneysFalskaar+Wyrmstooth.esp

147 93 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp

148 94 RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

149 95 AOS2_IWIE Patch.esp

150 96 AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp

151 97 AOS2_WAF Patch.esp

152 98 AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp

153 99 Vivid Weathers - Minty Lightning patch.esp

154 9a Vivid Weathers - AOS patch.esp

155 9b Vivid Weathers - Falskaar.esp

156 9c Vivid Weathers - Lanterns of Skyrim Preset.esp

157 9d Vivid Weathers - Wyrmstooth.esp

158 9e Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp

159 9f Vividian - Lanterns of Skyrim Preset.esp

160 a0 Vividian - Torches Preset.esp

161 a1 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

162 a2 Vividian - Wearable Lanterns Preset.esp

163 a3 NoAnimalsReportCrimes-DG+DB.esp

164 a4 Mage Outfit Texture Overhaul.esp

165 a5 NotSoFast-MainQuest.esp

166 a6 SexLab Extra Voices.esp

167 a7 SexLabTools.esp

168 a8 UIExtensions.esp

169 a9 SLAnimLoader.esp

170 aa SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp

171 ab STEP Extended Patch.esp

172 ac Morrowloot.esp

173 ad ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp

174 ae DynDOLOD.esp

175 af Bashed Patch, 0.esp

176 b0 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

I have ran LOOT, generated FNIS animation behaviors, generated bash patch (after disabling the bash patch and DSR patch), and generated the DSR patch.

 

I have a fresh DynDOLOD generation.

 

What am I doing wrong?

 

By the ways, this happens in the Keep at the beginning of the game too. So it can't be Riverwood.

[Septfox]

What am I doing wrong?

 

Playing a Creation Engine game with >1 mod installed? : \

 

After I reinstalled the game following an extended perior of not playing, I was having semi-reliable crashes (~75% of the time) when approaching Riverwood, even with most everything disabled in MO; the game was basically vanilla. In a fit of desperate annoyance and based on the recommendation of a random post somewhere, I installed NVAC. Bam, no more crashes, several potential crashes logged.

 

I'm not going to promise that it'll work, because Skyrim is Skyrim and I have about 50 fewer mods installed than you do, but it's something to try at least.

 

Enabling SKSE's memory allocation feature (see this), or being lazy and getting SSME, might not be a bad idea either.

[Beef Cheeks]

Playing a Creation Engine game with >1 mod installed? : \

Yeah I've already installed the SKSE memory allocation recommendations, I can try SSME again I guess, even though SKSE is supposed to not need it.

 

NVAC wasn't a bad idea, but it didn't help.. (Yes I renamed NVSE to SKSE. Even edited the FOMOD to install in MO properly.)

 

Need I mention this isn't a normal CTD... the game freezes and shows a "Skyrim has stopped working" window above the game.

 

Update: This happens in the Keep at the beginning of the game too.

[Flowzed]

Greetings,

 

have had the same problem.

 

The Tool Savegame Script Cleaner helped me out (for existing savegame files)

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

 

For the CTD entering The Keep i tried following steps:

- Starting new Game without any mods - worked

- Starting new Game with all mods - CTD, entering the Keep

- Check Skyrim files for any errors (Steam)

- Open up skyrim launcher for new ini files

- Deleted all Files inside the Skyrim folder (where Plugins etc. are listed)

- Cleaning existing files with TES5Edit (Check LOOT for files which have to been cleaned)

- Checking loadorder with LOOT

- Run FNIS again

- Starting SKSE (last version) and a new game

 

After all this steps, i had no CTD any more.

[FastestDogInTheDistrict]

Hey Xenodrake and posters! I have also gone through a near-identical process with a cut-down STEP selection (*though I started fresh from a clean slate), & have been going through a lot of trial-and-error crashes & headaches with mixed success. I have been posting about it here, lower down in the Tech Support section but am struggling to find help (it may be that a lot of people have moved on since I last re-installed my game).

 

Here is my thread with what may be the same issue. I have included load order, .ini's, and now logs:

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/60187-skyrim-fresh-install-getting-loading-screen-of-death-o-o/?p=1519669

 

I hope you guys have success here, & may even be able to help me if you have the time! Good Luck!

[Beef Cheeks]

Does anybody actually read my OP?! lol. I'm not getting usual crashes just from entering places. I start a new game, and my game runs fine for hours, UNTIL I decide to load any save from said new game. I'm not using old saves with this mod load.

[FastestDogInTheDistrict]

Does anybody actually read my OP?! lol. I'm not getting usual crashes just from entering places. I start a new game, and my game runs fine for hours, UNTIL I decide to load any save from said new game. I'm not using old saves with this mod load.

 

Yes - I had/have that problem too! AND I had crashes from old games, and loading screen of death on both new and old games.

 

*I found that things settled down a lot after removing the STEP-edited .ini's and getting the Vanilla launcher to generate new ones. I plan to do further testing today. It may be that there are things included in the advised .ini edits which are not good for some users, but I have no clue what.

[Beef Cheeks]

 

Yes - I had/have that problem too! AND I had crashes from old games, and loading screen of death on both new and old games.

 

*I found that things settled down a lot after removing the STEP-edited .ini's and getting the Vanilla launcher to generate new ones. I plan to do further testing today. It may be that there are things included in the advised .ini edits which are not good for some users, but I have no clue what.

 

 

I've fixed the crashes!

 

Things I found through research that were causing problems, related or unrelated to my issue:

 

1. (Probably the major cause) I had old custom Papyrus settings set in my old Mod Organizer Profile, and they got copied over to my new profile. As per most people's recommendations, I know I should never mess with those, but I found a post showing a reputable fix for issues I had with my old profile. Anyways, I removed the entire [Papyrus] section from the Skyrim.ini in MO's Configurator.

 

2. I thought ZaZAnimationPack hadn't been updated in over a year. I had 6.07. Apparently 6.11 came out less than 2 weeks ago. I updated that.

 

3. (May not have directly caused the crashes but definitely was a concern) Somehow through installing the Enhanced Lighting for ENB Lite mod, it created a ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp file. I did not know you are supposed to install ELE_Lite_v0_95c_Only IL STEP Specific if you are using an ENB and STEP. So I had ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp overwriting most things from the STEP Extended Patch because LOOT placed it after the STEP patch. I don't even want to know how many issues this was causing. I first noticed this when delving in my entire load order in TES5EDIT, and I noticed it overwrote tons of things related to lighting and such, especially things from Vividian ENB I was using. I had a feeling that was a bad thing, and now after removing it, I'm seeing less stuttering during gameplay in my first 10 minutes of play.

 

 

4 (in addition to 3). Sadly, because the DynDOLOD generation from the old load order made it require the ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp as a master, I had to regenerate DynDOLOD all over again. Ugh... but worth the result I have to say. I can play Skyrim again!! YAAY. And this time with many less bugs I'm hoping. I can't wait.

 

 

I have to say... lesson learned... Never add/remove mods during a playthrough. I did that a horrific number of times during my last load order, and now I can see why it's such a bad idea. It would be a dream world for every mod author to make a proper uninstallation function, but yeah. That will never happen. Even then it probably would be impossible to fully clean the save file.

 

What sucks now is if I want to follow that rule from now on, I have to be solid in my mod list decision, or else there are so many things I could regret and not change later. Jeez. I should never have started up Skyrim modding, but the original game just wasn't interesting enough to me.

 

And now this post has become a Skyrim life story. Fuck. (Excuse my Argonian)

 

 

I blame the chickens. G'night everyone.

[FastestDogInTheDistrict]

 

 

Yes - I had/have that problem too! AND I had crashes from old games, and loading screen of death on both new and old games.

 

*I found that things settled down a lot after removing the STEP-edited .ini's and getting the Vanilla launcher to generate new ones. I plan to do further testing today. It may be that there are things included in the advised .ini edits which are not good for some users, but I have no clue what.

 

 

I've fixed the crashes!

 

Things I found through research that were causing problems, related or unrelated to my issue:

 

1. (Probably the major cause) I had old custom Papyrus settings set in my old Mod Organizer Profile, and they got copied over to my new profile. As per most people's recommendations, I know I should never mess with those, but I found a post showing a reputable fix for issues I had with my old profile. Anyways, I removed the entire [Papyrus] section from the Skyrim.ini in MO's Configurator.

 

2. I thought ZaZAnimationPack hadn't been updated in over a year. I had 6.07. Apparently 6.11 came out less than 2 weeks ago. I updated that.

 

3. (May not have directly caused the crashes but definitely was a concern) Somehow through installing the Enhanced Lighting for ENB Lite mod, it created a ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp file. I did not know you are supposed to install ELE_Lite_v0_95c_Only IL STEP Specific if you are using an ENB and STEP. So I had ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp overwriting most things from the STEP Extended Patch because LOOT placed it after the STEP patch. I don't even want to know how many issues this was causing. I first noticed this when delving in my entire load order in TES5EDIT, and I noticed it overwrote tons of things related to lighting and such, especially things from Vividian ENB I was using. I had a feeling that was a bad thing, and now after removing it, I'm seeing less stuttering during gameplay in my first 10 minutes of play.

 

 

4 (in addition to 3). Sadly, because the DynDOLOD generation from the old load order made it require the ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp as a master, I had to regenerate DynDOLOD all over again. Ugh... but worth the result I have to say. I can play Skyrim again!! YAAY. And this time with many less bugs I'm hoping. I can't wait.

 

 

I have to say... lesson learned... Never add/remove mods during a playthrough. I did that a horrific number of times during my last load order, and now I can see why it's such a bad idea. It would be a dream world for every mod author to make a proper uninstallation function, but yeah. That will never happen. Even then it probably would be impossible to fully clean the save file.

 

What sucks now is if I want to follow that rule from now on, I have to be solid in my mod list decision, or else there are so many things I could regret and not change later. Jeez. I should never have started up Skyrim modding, but the original game just wasn't interesting enough to me.

 

And now this post has become a Skyrim life story. Fuck. (Excuse my Argonian)

 

 

I blame the chickens. G'night everyone.

 

 

Glad you were able to fix it up, Xenodrake!

 

Ahhh - you might've accidentally clicked the option for Falskaar & the other non-Bethesda DLC during install, if that showed up in your load order. I installed the regular ELE file, because I don't have the Hearthfire DLC, which the STEP ELE version *REQUIRES*. I figured I'll see how it goes - LOOT didn't seem to have any problems or conflicts...