Seeking advice before starting again a new playthrough-Stability

[Guest]

Hi all.For one more time i had to uninstall my Skyrim installation and install it again freashly due to ctds on loading save files.This issue was not present earlier but recently, it emerged letting me unable to do anything about it.I also tried to start a new game with only unofficial patches esps enabled to see if it made any difference (also with mesh and texture replacers) and no other mods active.The result was that after i desided to save and quit my game,the next time i tried to load my last save, i had ctd.Don't get me wrong, after i manage to load my last save (after several repeated effords of course),i can play without any freezes,ctds or anything.The thing is that now that i have freashly re-installed Skyrim and also my favorite mods, i want to begin playing again but i would really like some recomendations before i start.

1)Firstly, i would like to show you my current load order

 

 

GameMode=Skyrim

 

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1

Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm=1

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm=1

SexLab.esm=1

SexLabAroused.esm=1

SGHairPackBase.esm=1

SPIKE.esm=1

WinterholdDestruction.esm=1

XFLMain.esm=1

ZaZAnimationPack.esm=1

Orc&ElfFix4TBBP.esp=1

Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp=1

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp=1

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp=1

StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp=1

Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1

Immersive Battles.esp=1

Immersive Brigands.esp=1

Immersive Dawnguard.esp=1

Immersive Dragonborn.esp=1

Immersive Factions.esp=1

Immersive Mercenaries.esp=1

Immersive Patrols.esp=1

Immersive Werewolves.esp=1

LoversComfort.esp=1

Moss Rocks.esp=1

SabreFurBag.esp=1

SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp=1

DHuntress.esp=1

FlameAtronachArmor.esp=1

FullBootForKKSA.esp=1

KKFur.esp=1

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp=1

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp=1

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp=1

Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp=1

DeadlyDragons.esp=1

SkyRe_Main.esp=1

SkyRe_Combat.esp=1

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp=1

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp=1

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp=1

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp=1

Perfect Whiterun_outside district by ReVan1199.esp=1

Run For Your Lives.esp=1

When Vampires Attack.esp=1

ShezriesBreezehome.esp=1

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1

whiterun spruce by revan1199.esp=1

BlockSparkles.esp=1

Differently Ebony.esp=1

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1

Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp=1

SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp=1

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp=1

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1

ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp=1

CinematicFireFX.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1

PrivateNeeds.esp=1

FNISspells.esp=1

ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp=1

UltimateCombat.esp=1

dodge.esp=1

Dual Wield Parrying_ScriptDragon.esp=1

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1

SNSDPoser1.esp=1

SG Hair 220 AllinTwo.esp=1

3DNPC.esp=1

XFLDialogue.esp=1

XFLPlugins.esp=1

THRena.esp=1 (this esp comes from this mod ( http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/18696/? )

SBF All In One + DLC.esp=1

HousecarlSolitude.esp=1

Kate.esp=1

LC2013.esp=1

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp=1

EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp=1

Follower Trap Safety.esp=1

CharacterMakingExtender.esp=1

EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp=1

getSnowy.esp=1

WATER.esp=1

WATER Plants.esp=1

WATER DG.esp=1

WATER DB Waves.esp=1

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1

ReProccer.esp=1

Grass_On_Steroids_SFO-SHORT.esp=1

Pinup Poser.esp=1

KKSDGWeightSliderFix.esp=1

KKSDrBWeightFix.esp=1

This load order has come out of BOSS

2)Secondly i would like to post my BOSS report for recognized plugins

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

 

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}

Dawnguard.esm Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}

HearthFires.esm Active

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active

Dragonborn.esm Active

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Stats}}

Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm Active

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Active

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active

SexLab.esm Active

SexLabAroused.esm Active

SGHairPackBase.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

WinterholdDestruction.esm Active

XFLMain.esm Active

Note: For safe mod uninstall see special uninstallation instructions on mod page.

ZaZAnimationPack.esm Active

Orc&ElfFix4TBBP.esp Active

SBF All In One + DLC.esp Active

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp Active

Dual Sheath Redux.esp Active

Requires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+

Immersive Battles.esp Active

Immersive Brigands.esp Active

Immersive Dawnguard.esp Active

Immersive Dragonborn.esp Active

Immersive Factions.esp Active

Immersive Mercenaries.esp Active

Immersive Patrols.esp Active

Immersive Werewolves.esp Active

LoversComfort.esp Active

Moss Rocks.esp Active

SabreFurBag.esp Active

SexLabMatchMaker.esp Active

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active

SkyUI.esp Active

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

DHuntress.esp Active

Requires: CBBE female body.

FlameAtronachArmor.esp Active

Requires: CBBE female body.

FullBootForKKSA.esp Active

Requires: CBBE female body.

KKFur.esp Active

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp Active

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp Active

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp Active

Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp Active

DeadlyDragons.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

SkyRe_Main.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev, Delev}}

Note: If lockpicking is not work then try to delete 'interface\lockpickingmenu.swf'.

Note: If you have a problem with aiming try to install this mod.

Note: To make aiming easier add the following lines to Skyrim.ini:

Note: [Actor]

Note: fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000

Note: [Combat]

Note: f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64

Note: f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64

Note: fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0

Note: fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

SkyRe_Combat.esp Active

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp Active

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp Active

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp Active

Perfect Whiterun_outside district by ReVan1199.esp Active

Run For Your Lives.esp Active

When Vampires Attack.esp Active

ShezriesBreezehome.esp Active

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active

whiterun spruce by revan1199.esp Active

BlockSparkles.esp Active

Differently Ebony.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.

Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp Active

SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp Active

Note: Uninstall old version of Skyrim Flora Overhaul if using SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp Active

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp Active

ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp Active

CinematicFireFX.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp Active

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp Active

PrivateNeeds.esp Active

FNISspells.esp Active

ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp Active

UltimateCombat.esp Active

dodge.esp Active

Dual Wield Parrying_ScriptDragon.esp Active

Note: Use only one Dual Wield Parrying*.esp.

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Active

SNSDPoser1.esp Active

SG Hair 220 AllinTwo.esp Active

3DNPC.esp Active

XFLDialogue.esp Active

XFLPlugins.esp Active

HousecarlSolitude.esp Active

Kate.esp Active

LC2013.esp Active

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp Active

EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp Active

Follower Trap Safety.esp Active

CharacterMakingExtender.esp Active

EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp Active

getSnowy.esp Active

WATER.esp Active

WATER Plants.esp Active

WATER DG.esp Active

WATER DB Waves.esp Active

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp Active

ReProccer.esp Active

All dirty edits have been cleaned my me with latest ver of TESVEdit exept from mods that authors suggest otherwise (for explisit and implisit dependancies i used NMM recommendations.

3)As far as texture replacers that i am using, i use the following

 

 

a. Skyrim_HD_v1_5_LITE and v1_6 for Riften

b.aMidianBorn book of silence and hotfixes

c.Enhanced Blood Textures with compatibility patches for dlcs and 512 res textures

d.Realistic smoke and embers

e.Ruins_Clutter_Improved

f.A_Quality_World_Map

g.AOF Detailed Mountains

h.Detailed_Rugs

i.Finer Dust

j.Hd Enhanced Terrain and Map snow

k.Skyrim_Particle_Patch_for_ENB-All-In-One

l.SG Textures Renewal CBBE

 

 

-To let you know, some texture files were replaced between each other depending the order i installed them with NMM or via manual installation

-All textures are of lowest resolution whereever there was a choise exept for SMIM

4.I haven't yet used the utility texture optimizer because i have used it in the past always and i am not sure if does more good or overall harm to my game (in my last playthrough i saw textures unable to load such as hair on custom followers or clothes)

5.FNIS and all FNIS based mods were intalled manually due to the NMM text file bug.

6.I use realvision enb Option A - FULL-latest vesion for climates of tamriel and RLO and i get about 50 fps constant outdoors and 60 indoors with no stuttering

7.My skse plugins are

 

 

-CharacterMakingExtender_plugin

-hdtPhysicsExtensions (v9-28 stable)

-MfgConsole

-showRaceMenu_preCacheKiller

-SKSE_Elys_Uncapper

-UltimateCombat

 

 

8.All mods are of latest versions available

9.The body replacer i use is cb++ custom TBBP

10.My INI files come from here ( http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/36146/? ) for ugrids to load 5 with tweaks for my graphics card.

11.PC specs

 

 

-i7 4770@3.4GHz (factory clocked)

-16 GB DDR3@1600MHz

-win7 SP1 64bit

-Smsung SSD Hard Drive Sata III 840@120gb with 30 GB free remaining (os and Skyrim intallation hd)

-Palit Nvidia GTX 770@2GHz (factory clocked)

 

 

 

Where i need your recomendations/help now.

1)Should i use texture optimizer utility?Is it safe in the long run?

2)Should i make a bashed patch, or how they call it, considering my active mods (i am terryfied by Wrye Bush and don't know how to use it) and if yes for what mods?

3)Is there any way i can improve my load order considering that the boss people are also people and might make mistakes?

4)Cosidering all the scripted mods i have intalled,will i be able to give some more pressure on Skyrim's game engine by installing Frostfall and Realistic Needs and Diseases (two of my favorite mods that sadly use scripts that work all the time)?

5)Are the mods SexLab_Aroused an Private Needs considered heavy scrippted that have scripts running all time and thus burdening more papyrus?Should/could be sacrificed in order to have frostfall and RND installed?

6)Are the mods installed suitable for a serious playthrough? (considering the sexlab mods that is!)

 

What i 'm willing to do anyway is to start a new game but i would really hate to end up at level 12-15 and having problems with infinite loading screens,random ctds etc and being unable to progress the game.The ctds at loading save files are a problem that could be overseen considering that repeated effords can surpass it ,as long as a gaming session of 2-3 hours can be achieved! (i couldn't play for longer sessions anyway since i don't have enough spare time )

Thanks for your help and suggestions!

[Lodakai]

I strongly recommend learning and using mod organizer to have better control over your files

Read through the STEP guide and follow the guidelines for the core until step 2F

http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.2.7

 

You don't need to install all the recommended mods beyond that.. nor should you.

 

Install only the mods you absolutely must have.. it is far easier to add mods later than to remove them unless otherwise instructed by the mod author.

Keep your texture upgrades to a minimum.  Only add them if you feel your game is stable.

 

EDIT:  Before you play your game..  load Alternate Start live another life..

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9557/?

 

Talk to the statue and begin at the bannered mare in whiterun.  Go outside the city and run around a bit. Talk to people.. enter and exit shops.  Try everything you can think of that could cause a crash or break your game. This is a good test because this area is wide open.  It will be highly demanding on your system.  A good place to check stability.

 

If all seems well, you do not have to play with the alternate start on your actual gameplay if you do not want to.  Remove it and play as normal if you prefer, once you test your stability.

 

(As for frostfall and RND,  you can always add them later on in your game.  Once you are confident that you are stable)

Just keep and notate every save file you make right before adding something.  So if the house of card topples, you can go back to a place where you can remove them.

[Lodakai]

Another recommendation..  if you experience CTD's  you should remove mods such as flora overhaul until you are absolutely sure you are stable.

 

to answer another question.

Skyre has a hard time playing with some mods.. and you will most definitely need a bashed patch. You should also use the reproccer tool for skyre to make sure all your weapons follow the balance format. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/28467/?

[Lodakai]

Make sure to avoid the UGRID 7 INI files...  ugrid 7 causes more problems than it is worth.  You're better off using distant decal and LOD mods to fill in areas that seem empty than loading the grid. (to be honest, you should probably use default INI and only use the step adjustments rather than using someone elses files.)

[Guest]

Thanks for the reply but,

For what mods of my load order do i need a bashed patch.Am i supposed to make a choise of certain esps or does wrye bush do that automatically for me?Also, my ini files are setup for Ugrids 5, not 7

 

-EDIT-

And what about texture optimizer?Is it safe for use in the long run?

[Lodakai]

When you run boss, it will show the files that are tagged for bash. (anything with a bash tag needs to be bashed)

Creating a bashed patch is pretty much automatic.  That being said, it is always better to learn how it works and to view your bashed patch with TESVEdit.

From there you can see exactly what the patch is changing around and make tweaks and additional decisions.

 

Texture optimization is both safe and unsafe...  you need to ALWAYS back up your files.  

optimizing will reduce the load on your GPU while increasing the load on your Hard Drive.  It will also reduce the quality of some files.

 

Neovalen has some pretty detailed instructions on optimizing your game here

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Neovalen/Skyrim_Revisited

 

Follow his steps up until "LET THE MODDING BEGIN" 

From that point forward... it is best to make your own decisions on the mods that you will use.

 

Note: his instructions require the use of Mod Organizer in order to follow his suggestions properly.

 

EDIT: You can search for "Optimizing the Bethesda Textures" in Neovalens guide if you don't want to bother with the rest.