Ordinator summoned Skeleton Warriors not working with MNC/ABC

[Hero357159]

I am playing with Ordinator and just recently started putting points in Conjuration.

 

The issue I've run into now is that the Skeleton Warriors summoned from the Bone Altars have no penis, but the Skeleton Mages do. I've tried shifting Ordinator in the load order before/after with regards to MNC and ABC, but haven't had any luck. I summoned a variety of other skeletons via the console and they do all still have a penis, so not really sure what is going on.

 

Load order is below

 

 

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#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","Creation Club: ccvsvsse002-pets"
"0001","+","Creation Club: ccvsvsse001-winter"
"0002","+","Creation Club: cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon"
"0003","+","Creation Club: ccqdrsse002-firewood"
"0004","+","Creation Club: ccqdrsse001-survivalmode"
"0005","+","Creation Club: ccpewsse002-armsofchaos"
"0006","+","Creation Club: ccmtysse002-ve"
"0007","+","Creation Club: ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine"
"0008","+","Creation Club: ccfsvsse001-backpacks"
"0009","+","Creation Club: ccffbsse002-crossbowpack"
"0010","+","Creation Club: ccffbsse001-imperialdragon"
"0011","+","Creation Club: cceejsse004-hall"
"0012","+","Creation Club: cceejsse003-hollow"
"0013","+","Creation Club: cceejsse002-tower"
"0014","+","Creation Club: cceejsse001-hstead"
"0015","+","Creation Club: ccedhsse002-splkntset"
"0016","+","Creation Club: ccedhsse001-norjewel"
"0017","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse064-ba_elven"
"0018","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse063-ba_ebony"
"0019","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse062-ba_dwarvenmail"
"0020","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse060-ba_dragonscale"
"0021","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse058-ba_steel"
"0022","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse057-ba_stalhrim"
"0023","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse051-ba_daedricmail"
"0024","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse045-hasedoki"
"0025","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse043-crosselv"
"0026","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse041-netchleather"
"0027","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse040-advobgobs"
"0028","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse037-curios"
"0029","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse036-petbwolf"
"0030","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse035-petnhound"
"0031","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse034-mntuni"
"0032","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse031-advcyrus"
"0033","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse025-advdsgs"
"0034","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse021-lordsmail"
"0035","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse020-graycowl"
"0036","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath"
"0037","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse018-shadowrend"
"0038","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse016-umbra"
"0039","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse014-spellpack01"
"0040","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse013-dawnfang"
"0041","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab"
"0042","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse008-wraithguard"
"0043","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse007-chrysamere"
"0044","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse006-stendarshammer"
"0045","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse004-ruinsedge"
"0046","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse003-zombies"
"0047","+","Creation Club: ccbgssse002-exoticarrows"
"0048","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0049","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0050","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0051","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch"
"0052","+","SkyUI_5_2_SE"
"0053","+","PapyrusUtil AE - Scripting Utility Functions"
"0054","+","All in one Address Library"
"0055","+","Fuz Ro D'oh"
"0056","+","UIExtensions"
"0057","+","JContainers SE"
"0058","+","Alternate Start - Live Another Life"
"0059","+","Skyrim - Utility Mod"
"0060","+","RaceMenu Special Edition"
"0061","+","RaceMenu High Heels Fixes"
"0062","+","FileAccess Interface for Skyrim SE Scripts - FISSES"
"0063","+","Enchanted Arsenal For 1.5.97"
"0064","+","Bijin Wives SE 1.1.2"
"0065","+","Bijin Warmaidens SE"
"0066","+","Bijin NPCs SE 1.2.1"
"0067","+","Fresh Women 0-2b"
"0068","+","BDs Armor and Clothes Replacer CBBE 3BA"
"0069","+","BD's Armor and clothes replacer CBBE 3BA - V1.42 Update file"
"0070","+","Bikini Robes (3BA)"
"0071","+","Opulent Robe Retexture 2K SE"
"0072","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-"
"0073","+","Thicker Bodyslide preset - CBBE and 3BA"
"0074","+","Preset - Demonic Body Preset cbbe 3ba"
"0075","+","Preset - chubby_curvy_bodyslide"
"0076","+","Preset - 3BA DESTROYER CBBE Bodyslide Preset"
"0077","+","Preset - Curvalicious CBBE 3BA Bodyslide Preset 1.1"
"0078","+","Preset - BBW Body"
"0079","+","Preset - 3BA MILF CBBE Bodyslide"
"0080","+","Preset - 3BA Maneater"
"0081","+","Preset - Touched By Talos HIMBO"
"0082","+","Preset - Chubby 2"
"0083","+","Touched By Desire Curves - A CBBE 3BA Bodyslide Preset"
"0084","+","Preset - Discord Moderator"
"0085","+","Better Dialogue Controls"
"0086","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0087","+","CBPC - Physics with Collisions"
"0088","+","CBBE 3BA"
"0089","+","SrtCrashFix_SSE"
"0091","+","Faster HDT-SMP"
"0093","+","FNIS Behavior SE 7_6"
"0094","+","FNIS Creature Pack SE 7.6"
"0098","+","Cloak of Lace for Lady"
"0099","+","Artesian Cloaks of Skyrim"
"0100","+","OBody"
"0101","+","OBody Standalone"
"0102","+","Simple Item Spawner"
"0103","+","Schlongs of Skyrim SE"
"0104","+","Schlongs of Skyrim SE HDT-SMP files"
"0105","+","Highly Improved Male Body Overhaul"
"0106","+","SOS schlong for females BodySlide"
"0107","+","SurverX floppy SMP"
"0108","+","Evil's Horse Penis 2 CBBE"
"0109","+","dw futa schlong"
"0110","+","Bad_Dog_Hoodie_Female_Reworked"
"0111","+","TRX Futa"
"0112","+","Horse Penis Redux SSE"
"0113","+","CBBE_CHSBHC_UNP_ADEC_Schlong_Textures_V"
"0114","+","KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)"
"0115","+","SexLabFrameworkSE"
"0116","+","Community Overlays 3 - Main - CBBE and Male"
"0117","+","Community Overlays 1 - Main - CBBE 2K"
"0118","+","Community Overlays 2 - Main - CBBE and Male"
"0119","+","DX Necromancer Robes UNP"
"0120","+","DX Necromancer Robes - SSE CBBE BodySlide"
"0121","+","DX Necromancer Robes - HDT-SMP Physics and 3BBB Bodyslide"
"0122","+","Patched SE SL TOOLS Updated"
"0123","+","SexLabArousedSSELoose"
"0124","+","Ordinator 9.31.0"
"0125","+","MoreNastyCrittersSE"
"0126","+","powerofthree's Tweaks"
"0127","+","powerofthree INI file"
"0128","+","powerofthree's Papyrus Extender"
"0129","+","Papyrus Tweaks NG"
"0130","+","Spell Perk Item Distributor - SSE"
"0131","+","KS Hairdos SSE"
"0132","+","Buggy NPC Replacer - KS Hairdos"
"0133","+","Sassy Teen Girls SE CBBE"
"0134","+","SassyGirls 3BA"
"0135","+","Face Discoloration Fix SE"
"0136","+","CreatureFramework"
"0137","+","HentaiCreaturesSE_MNCSE"
"0138","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0139","+","9.0.1 A Quality World Map - Vivid with Stone Roads"
"0140","+","BakaFactory Animated Beasts Cocks"
"0141","+","Cumshot"
"0142","+","Sex With Thieves SE"
"0143","+","SL Dirty Deeds Missives"
"0146","+","SexLabMatchMaker"
"0147","+","SexLab_PaySexCrime"
"0148","+","SexLab More Creatures SE"
"0149","+","SexLab Aroused Creatures SE"
"0150","+","SexLab Aroused Creatures SE VoicePack"
"0151","+","Mfg Fix"
"0152","+","Damsels in Distress"
"0153","+","Bestial Essence SE"
"0154","+","MNC_BeastialEssence"
"0155","+","SexLab Sexlife SE"
"0156","+","Upgrade your Potion"
"0157","+","Carry Weight Modifiers"
"0158","+","50 percent More Perk Points"
"0159","+","Fair Skin Complexion for CBBE"
"0160","+","CBBE Muscle Solution V2"
"0161","+","SexLabHentaiPregnancy SE"
"0162","+","SexLabHentaiPregnancy Bodyscaling"
"0163","+","SexLab Adventures SE"
"0164","+","Simple Slavery Plus Plus"
"0165","+","betterblowjobSE"
"0166","+","Alternate Saints and Seducers CC 3BA"
"0167","+","Nikitaa Luxury Lingerie"
"0168","+","DisplayEnemyLevelSE 1.1.2 for Skyrim 1597"
"0171","+","SLAL_SE"
"0172","+","ZaZ Animation Pack"
"0173","+","Naked Defeat"
"0174","+","Naked Defeat ASA"
"0175","+","Devious Devices"
"0176","+","Devious Devices - Equip"
"0177","+","BakaFactory's SLAL Pack"
"0178","+","K4 Amimations SLAL"
"0179","+","SLAL Animations by Leito v1.6"
"0180","+","Anubs SLAL"
"0181","+","Extensible Follower Framework"
"0182","+","Immersive Horses"
"0183","+","Craftable Horse Barding"
"0184","+","ModCompatibilityKitsForMNCSE"
"0185","+","Billyy's SLAL Animations 6.2"
"0186","+","Billyy's SLAL Original Creature Animations 1.2"
"0187","+","FlufyFox_SLAL_SE_Human"
"0188","+","FlufyFox_SLAL_SE_Creature"
"0189","+","GS_SLAL SE"
"0190","+","GS_SLAL SE Creatures"
"0191","+","PsycheAnimation SE"
"0192","+","SLAL NibblesAnims"
"0193","+","SLAL FunnyBizPack CB"
"0194","+","SLAL FunnyBiz MYSLALPACK v12.0"
"0195","+","SLAL SE Creature Animations by Sailing Rebel"
"0196","+","SexLab JailRape"
"0197","+","SexLab CumTextures Remake"
"0198","+","FNIS Sexy Move SE 7.2"
"0199","+","SexLabRandomSexSE"
"0200","+","Dirt and Blood"
"0201","+","DirtBloodAndCum"
"0202","+","Enhanced Blood Textures"
"0204","+","SexLab Advanced Cum Stages Plus"
"0205","+","SLACS Plus Textures Pack Medium"
"0206","+","AnimalMansionPlusNS_SE"
"0207","+","AnimalMansionPlus VoicePack"
"0208","+","Demonic Creatures"
"0209","+","Demonic Creatures Patchfix"
"0210","+","Skyrim - Undeath SSE 1.7"
"0211","+","Undeath Classical Lichdom"
"0212","+","NoOverpenetration_SE"
"0213","+","Improved Closefaced Helmets (Legendary Edition)"
"0214","+","Manipulator SE"
"0215","+","Simple No More Stupid Dog"
"0216","+","SexLab Dibella Sisterhood SE"
"0217","+","SexLab Dibella Sisterhood Sisters SE"
"0218","+","Configurable Perks Per Level"
"0219","+","The Sisterhood of Dibella Voice Pack"
"0220","+","Fjotra Replacer SE"
"0221","+","Dibella Sisterhood bodyslides"
"0222","+","AFS_SE"
"0223","+","A Forsworn Story Voice Pack"
"0224","+","SSE Display Tweaks"
"0225","+","SexLab EagerNPCSERev"
"0226","+","SL Kidnapped Redux"
"0227","+","SL Kidnapped VoicePack"
"0228","+","Lingerie Set CBBE Curvy"
"0229","+","Lingerie Set - 3BBB - BodySlide Physics"
"0230","+","MCM Helper SE"
"0231","+","Acquisitive Soul Gems Multithreaded"
"0232","+","True Directional Movement"
"0233","+","SL Dirty Deeds VoicePack"
"0234","+","SexLab JailRape SE VoicePack"
"0235","+","SL Bestial Essence VoicePack"
"0236","+","SL BesEssMNC VoicePack Patch"
"0237","+","SLAL SH Furniture anims"
"0238","+","SexLab Utility Plus"
"0239","+","SLAA SexLab Add Actor"
"0240","+","VioLens - A Killmove Mod SE"
"0241","+","BodySlide Custom Presets"
"0242","+","BodySlide Output"
"0243","+","Skill Based Muscle"
"0244","+","Skill Based Muscle Textures"
"0245","+","UpscalerBasePlugin"
"0246","+","SkyrimUpscaler"
"0247","+","FNIS Output"

 

 

 

 

TLDR version of relevant mods

 

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"0124","+","Ordinator 9.31.0"
"0125","+","MoreNastyCrittersSE"
"0136","+","CreatureFramework"
"0137","+","HentaiCreaturesSE_MNCSE"
"0138","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0140","+","BakaFactory Animated Beasts Cocks"

 

[traison]

My current understanding is that MNC works based on races. So my first guess would be that Ordinator uses a custom race for the skeleton. Shouldn't be too hard to add support for it, but I'm also fairly certain it's going to be more involved than editing a config file somewhere. For instance, one would have to create/assign the armor items that MNC should equip for that race.

[Hero357159]

That was my understanding as well but found it strange that the Skeleton Mage did work, and figured Ordinator was popular enough that someone would have made a fix for it but since I can't find anything related to this and there is no fix for it in the MNC compatibilty patch that there just must be something wrong instead.

 

Plus, they are treated by SexLab as Skeleton/Draugr as they should be with regards to animation.

[traison]

The animations may be based on skeletons, not sure. You can upload ordinator's plugin(s) here and I'll take a look at it. I probably won't create a patch though.

[Hero357159]

Thanks, this is the one here

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1137

 

Do you know of an in-game tool that can inspect the parts an actor is made from? I saw a screenshot of something like that recently but now can't remember where it was.

[traison]

1 hour ago, Hero357159 said:

inspect the parts an actor is made from

 

What parts? There's lots of parts.

 

Anyhow, not seeing anything wrong with Ordinator skeletons.

 

MNC registers skeletons in MNC.json:

{
    "skinName": "Skeleton",
    "normalArmor": null,
    "arousedArmor": "__formData|MoreNastyCritters.esp|0x29215",
    "RaceName": "Skeleton",
    "raceForm": "__formData|Skyrim.esm|0xB7998",
    "skinForm": "__formData|Skyrim.esm|0xB799A",
    "stripArmor": false
}

 

CF picks that up at CreatureFramework.psc:645. Race name and formid is not changed by Ordinator.

[Hero357159]

found the image I was looking for, I thought maybe it would have some useful info if I could use this on the skeleton warrior, but maybe not quite what I thought it did as it's just the texture list

 

CF says the Skeleton Warrior is Race = Skeleton, Skin = Necro Skeleton

 

So if it's not touched by Ordinator, it must be something else... I just don't see anything in the load order below MNC that would change a skeleton model. Is there something I can use to see which mods in my load order are affecting an actor?

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Hero357159

[Hero357159]

From SSEdit "Skeleton Warrior" shares the same RACE:000B7998 as "Skeleton Mage", but uses a different skin ARMO:000EB874 vs ARMO:000B799A. Oddly, ATKR RACE is blank on the Skeleton Warrior but not on Skeleton Mage. Not sure if that matters?

 

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CF registers the Skeleton Mage with MNC, but Skeleton Warrior is not

 

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Since it wasn't registering, I tried to add an entry to MNC.json. I tried both of these separately, but neither worked and CF still doesn't detect any active mod for Skeleton Warrior. Is there more to it than that?

 

{
"skinName": "Necro Skeleton 2",
"normalArmor": null,
"arousedArmor": "__formData|MoreNastyCritters.esp|0x29219",
"RaceName": "Skeleton",
"raceForm": "__formData|Skyrim.esm|0xB7998",
"skinForm": "__formData|Skyrim.esm|0xEB874"
},

{
"skinName": "Skeleton",
"normalArmor": null,
"arousedArmor": "__formData|MoreNastyCritters.esp|0x29215",
"RaceName": "Skeleton",
"raceForm": "__formData|Skyrim.esm|0xB7998",
"skinForm": "__formData|Skyrim.esm|0xB799A",
"stripArmor": false
},

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Hero357159