Devious Devices SE

[Dogrules23]

While doing a quest, a Markarth Guard came up to me and put Black Rope Arm Cuffs, Iron Ballet Boots, Rusty Iron Clamps (Nipples), and White Pentagram Rope Harness on my character. I think this has something to do with SexLab Survival, but I have a question that pertains to specifically DD. How in the world do I get these things off? I got the pentagram rope harness off, but the rest won't come off. Any ideas would be helpful!

[iamwookie]

1 hour ago, Dogrules23 said:

While doing a quest, a Markarth Guard came up to me and put Black Rope Arm Cuffs, Iron Ballet Boots, Rusty Iron Clamps (Nipples), and White Pentagram Rope Harness on my character. I think this has something to do with SexLab Survival, but I have a question that pertains to specifically DD. How in the world do I get these things off? I got the pentagram rope harness off, but the rest won't come off. Any ideas would be helpful!

Find keys in Plants/other places

Struggle

Pick

Cut

 

[moguaeagle]

I don't know if this matters to anyone or where the original files came from, but has anyone noticed that the gag sounds used by this have also been used recently by the creator of DHB restraints in second life for their gags?

[Zellgarith]

so making a comment on a post 2 pages back about numbers of people playing with cbbe vs other body types, the numbers quoted show the total downloads to date nothing more. in the time since release the 3bbb/3bs body's have had less total downloads but we need to remember that those numbers are the total downloads over the course of those bodies release. people have been switching and at this point almost every clothing /armor set on nexus is 3bbb/3ba at this point or is being converted to those bodies. the entire deserter x collection was converted and that is arguably one of the most downloaded armor mods on the nexus other than things like midian which doesn't care about body. Im simply pointing out that showing total downloads does not accurately represent popularity. The only other body type we see being regularly created for is unp and whenever one of those is released its almost always converted to 3ba now long before any other body type

 

All that being said i would love to see 3ba be prioritized over all other body types but that's related to mostly personal preference while it is showing its popularity currently over other body's when we look at conversion rates and new armor/clothing/ jewelry mods, i and others are not the mod creator or collaborators, they will do what they want/ are comfortable with, and seeing as how there are people doing conversions for the bodyslide files those of us who want those things can wait for them to be released.

 

On a completely selfish instant gratification side I want my 3ba bodyslide files nooooowwwwwww. :} 

[Zellgarith]

So whats up with the mod toys and this one what is the real difference? seems like toys is trying to do the same thing as dd and im wondering if there is a reason to download it? and if its only for the other mod thats built for toys why isnt it tied to dd to begin with instead of recreating what apears to be the same assets?

[Herowynne]

6 minutes ago, Zellgarith said:

if its only for the other mod thats built for toys why isnt it tied to dd to begin with instead of recreating what apears to be the same assets?

 

You should post that question in the support thread for the Toys mod. The description for the Toys mod does provide some background on this.

[Zellgarith]

7 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

 

You should post that question in the support thread for the Toys mod. The description for the Toys mod does provide some background on this.

yeah was just wondering if anyone had any insight and seeing as how i use dd im more interested in what dd users say and think if they have had experience with it than others who might not use dd

[Herowynne]

30 minutes ago, Zellgarith said:

im more interested in what dd users say and think if they have had experience with it

 

I am a long time DD user. I started using DD with 4.0 (maybe?) and I am currently using DD 5.1 on Skyrim SE.

 

I think that DD and DCL are both amazing.

 

I recently tried out the Toys SE beta and the Toy Story quest mod that uses Toys on Skyrim SE, and I was impressed.

 

I do not claim to speak for @Kimy the mod author of DD and DCL, and I do not claim to speak for @VirginMarie the mod author of Toys and Toy Story.

 

My opinion is that the DD framework and the Toys framework have different goals. I do not see them as competitors, in the same way that I do not see Devious Followers Continued and Submissive Lola as competitors.

 

I have noticed that VirginMarie's quest/story mods typically involve the concepts of bondage devices that transform, and my guess is that because of those storytelling goals, VirginMarie has specific ideas about how animation filters should work in conjunction with bondage devices, and what kinds of functionality a bondage device framework should offer to quest/story mods.

[zarantha]

4 hours ago, Zellgarith said:

so making a comment on a post 2 pages back about numbers of people playing with cbbe vs other body types, the numbers quoted show the total downloads to date nothing more. in the time since release the 3bbb/3bs body's have had less total downloads but we need to remember that those numbers are the total downloads over the course of those bodies release. people have been switching and at this point almost every clothing /armor set on nexus is 3bbb/3ba at this point or is being converted to those bodies. the entire deserter x collection was converted and that is arguably one of the most downloaded armor mods on the nexus other than things like midian which doesn't care about body. Im simply pointing out that showing total downloads does not accurately represent popularity. The only other body type we see being regularly created for is unp and whenever one of those is released its almost always converted to 3ba now long before any other body type

 

All that being said i would love to see 3ba be prioritized over all other body types but that's related to mostly personal preference while it is showing its popularity currently over other body's when we look at conversion rates and new armor/clothing/ jewelry mods, i and others are not the mod creator or collaborators, they will do what they want/ are comfortable with, and seeing as how there are people doing conversions for the bodyslide files those of us who want those things can wait for them to be released.

 

On a completely selfish instant gratification side I want my 3ba bodyslide files nooooowwwwwww. :} 

 

There are 3bbb bodyslides now for DD and DCL (even though DD's does not include the new stuff). They will not be included in the SE  conversion until kimy says yes to it.

 

The numbers were mostly to give her a frame of reference because she does not play SE. She has definite opinions on when a new body should be supported, all we can do is ask. If people are really switching then we will continue to see the download numbers increase. Just because armor is getting converted is not a good indicator in my opinion. the body is still required for the armor, which is why I'm looking at the bodies only.

[Zellgarith]

3 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

There are 3bbb bodyslides now for DD and DCL (even though DD's does not include the new stuff). They will not be included in the SE  conversion until kimy says yes to it.

 

The numbers were mostly to give her a frame of reference because she does not play SE. She has definite opinions on when a new body should be supported, all we can do is ask. If people are really switching then we will continue to see the download numbers increase. Just because armor is getting converted is not a good indicator in my opinion. the body is still required for the armor, which is why I'm looking at the bodies only.

 

armor is a good measurement though as new armors are uploaded we see them being 3bbb/3ba or unp primarily with some others but the primary 2 for conversion and upload is 3bbb/3ba and unp. I'm not saying they will ever match cbbe but that's more because of the length of time that cbbe has been available for download by comparison to others. the other matter is that cbbe and other body mods were made much earlier in skyrim's life cycle there are not as many players as there was years ago so with less people playing you will see less downloads to begin with because of the player base falloff, I'm all for whatever the mod author decides if Kimy said screw you guys its all unp now then id just go welp guess I'm running unp now. I'm just wanting it to be understood that popularity cannot be measured simply off of the lifetime downloaded numbers a more accurate reading would be to measure the downloads over the past 1 to 1 1/2 years as simply looking at the numbers as it is heavily biased. after all the first real decent nude body was cbbe and it was top for several years as such its popularity during that time is undeniable but that doesn't mean its as strong now. 

 

sorry just having an autistic moment about the numbers as they don't accurately represent current popularity. hell with the pandemic and so many players coming back and new players picking it up for the first time it might be as popular as it once was, I don't know. But I do know the numbers of total unique dl does not accurately represent the current player base. as such those numbers are not a true representation.

 

(not joking when I say autistic moment, I really am autistic and when I see data presented in such a way when it cant be used to accurately describe what is being put forward it makes my brain twitch)

[Zellgarith]

8 hours ago, Herowynne said:

 

I am a long time DD user. I started using DD with 4.0 (maybe?) and I am currently using DD 5.1 on Skyrim SE.

 

I think that DD and DCL are both amazing.

 

I recently tried out the Toys SE beta and the Toy Story quest mod that uses Toys on Skyrim SE, and I was impressed.

 

I do not claim to speak for @Kimy the mod author of DD and DCL, and I do not claim to speak for @VirginMarie the mod author of Toys and Toy Story.

 

My opinion is that the DD framework and the Toys framework have different goals. I do not see them as competitors, in the same way that I do not see Devious Followers Continued and Submissive Lola as competitors.

 

I have noticed that VirginMarie's quest/story mods typically involve the concepts of bondage devices that transform, and my guess is that because of those storytelling goals, VirginMarie has specific ideas about how animation filters should work in conjunction with bondage devices, and what kinds of functionality a bondage device framework should offer to quest/story mods.

 

thank you for your opinion i appreciate it ill give it a shot did you have any issues running them side by side?

[Dogrules23]

20 hours ago, iamwookie said:

Find keys in Plants/other places

Struggle

Pick

Cut

 

I had to console command a key in because I couldn't find it anywhere. I needed a restraint key but all I ever found was chastity keys. I don't know what other places or plants you mean.

[Elsidia]

13 hours ago, Zellgarith said:

I want my 3ba bodyslide files nooooowwwwwww. :} 

If you want sooo baadddlllyyy convert by own hands)

[Elsidia]

4 hours ago, Dogrules23 said:

I had to console command a key in because I couldn't find it anywhere. I needed a restraint key but all I ever found was chastity keys. I don't know what other places or plants you mean.

Key can be got (and those not only versions there are more):

Spoiler

If you use DCL 8.4 and newest

 

If you use DCL 8.4 and newest

 

If you use DD 4.3 and newest

 

If you use DD 4.3 and newest

 

[Tron91]

for keys i try this console command: "help restraints 4 keym"

[Herowynne]

6 hours ago, Zellgarith said:

thank you for your opinion i appreciate it ill give it a shot did you have any issues running them side by side?

 

I experienced no issues from having both DD SE 5.1 and Toys SE installed at the same time.

[Foxcrest]

I am having an issue with straitjackets appearing invisible. I ran bodyslide and all other devices work just fine. I have the straitjacket meshes built I'm wondering if the file path is wrong somehow? Would that matter? They were built to meshes/devious/devices I tried moving them to meshes/devious/expansion. Also some of the straitjackets disappear when dropped while others appear just fine with a ground model. Nothing is overwriting the meshes either... I have no idea what's wrong anyone have ideas?

[Zellgarith]

1 hour ago, Foxcrest said:

I am having an issue with straitjackets appearing invisible. I ran bodyslide and all other devices work just fine. I have the straitjacket meshes built I'm wondering if the file path is wrong somehow? Would that matter? They were built to meshes/devious/devices I tried moving them to meshes/devious/expansion. Also some of the straitjackets disappear when dropped while others appear just fine with a ground model. Nothing is overwriting the meshes either... I have no idea what's wrong anyone have ideas?

 

i remember there being a post from kimy saying that there were no 3d ground models for some of the dd items but i dont remember if that was for fallout4 or skyrim or if it applied to both. 

[stinky_lizard]

Could I get some help?

 

I can't remove any devices. Enabling Papyrus logs showed this:

Spoiler

[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: ==========End Compatibility Checks==========
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Events arrays already initialized - skipping.
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: zadEventSlots::Maintenance()
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Config Interval:1.500000. Total number of events: 0. Next staggered update in 1.500000
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Maintenance_ABC()
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Monitoring Camera state.
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:37PM] [sexslaveframework <SexSlInteractions (630085B7)>]SexSlaveFramework onUpdate updateState 2
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:37PM] [Zad]: UpdateControls()
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:42PM] Update spouse
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:42PM] SexSlFemPCAndrew Onupdate with scenetoPlay = -1
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:42PM] Update spouse failed IsRunningFalse, getStage() 0, LoveInterest None
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: OnEffectFinish(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: Starting unequip operation for [Keyword <zad_DeviousBra (0D003DFA)>]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 0.250000 [setting: 8]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: RemoveDevice (Device Script) (Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Sending device event DeviceRemovedBra(Venus:1)
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] ERROR: Method UnlockDevice not found on zadlibs. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDevice() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 538
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDeviceWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 638
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenuRemoveWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 877
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenu() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 851
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.OnUnequipped() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 369
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp80"
stack:
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDevice() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 538
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDeviceWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 638
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenuRemoveWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 877
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenu() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 851
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.OnUnequipped() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 369
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: OnEffectFinish(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: Starting unequip operation for [Keyword <zad_DeviousBra (0D003DFA)>]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:52PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:55PM] [Zad]: OnEffectFinish(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:55PM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:55PM] [Zad]: Starting unequip operation for [Keyword <zad_DeviousBra (0D003DFA)>]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:56PM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:57PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]:Defered maintenance...
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: found Devious Devices - Assets.esm
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: Enabled Desire spell
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: Updated notification key to 47
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: finished maintenance
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:01PM] warning:  (FE017970): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells..
stack:
    <empty stack>

 

 

 

I can remove devices if I manually remove the lock on them (via player.removeitem) but nothing else works. Not clicking on the item and selecting "Unlock," not triggering an unlock through Deviously Cursed Loot, not even unequpping all items in the debug menu of DCL.

 

What's going on with my zadlibs papyrus script? Why doesn't it have UnlockDevice? Is there a patch I missed or something?

 

I have DD 5.1 on SE.

 

If any of you need my load order or the full papyrus log lmk.

 

Thank you.

[Dogrules23]

17 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Key can be got (and those not only versions there are more):

  Reveal hidden contents

If you use DCL 8.4 and newest

 

If you use DCL 8.4 and newest

 

If you use DD 4.3 and newest

 

If you use DD 4.3 and newest

 

Oh, so just anywhere that I can loot from?

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, Dogrules23 said:

Oh, so just anywhere that I can loot from?

Yes if you have installed devious cursed loot.

And loot is random also can trigger traps.

or nothing trigger.

[stinky_lizard]

16 hours ago, stinky_lizard said:

Could I get some help?

 

I can't remove any devices. Enabling Papyrus logs showed this:

  Reveal hidden contents

[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: ==========End Compatibility Checks==========
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Events arrays already initialized - skipping.
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: zadEventSlots::Maintenance()
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Config Interval:1.500000. Total number of events: 0. Next staggered update in 1.500000
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Maintenance_ABC()
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:36PM] [Zad]: Monitoring Camera state.
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:37PM] [sexslaveframework <SexSlInteractions (630085B7)>]SexSlaveFramework onUpdate updateState 2
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:37PM] [Zad]: UpdateControls()
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:42PM] Update spouse
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:42PM] SexSlFemPCAndrew Onupdate with scenetoPlay = -1
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:42PM] Update spouse failed IsRunningFalse, getStage() 0, LoveInterest None
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: OnEffectFinish(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: Starting unequip operation for [Keyword <zad_DeviousBra (0D003DFA)>]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:47PM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 0.250000 [setting: 8]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: RemoveDevice (Device Script) (Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] [Zad]: Sending device event DeviceRemovedBra(Venus:1)
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] ERROR: Method UnlockDevice not found on zadlibs. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDevice() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 538
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDeviceWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 638
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenuRemoveWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 877
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenu() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 851
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.OnUnequipped() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 369
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:48PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp80"
stack:
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDevice() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 538
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.RemoveDeviceWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 638
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenuRemoveWithKey() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 877
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.DeviceMenu() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 851
    [Item 7 in container  (00000014)].zadBraScript.OnUnequipped() - "zadEquipScript.psc" Line 369
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: OnEffectFinish(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: Starting unequip operation for [Keyword <zad_DeviousBra (0D003DFA)>]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:51PM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:52PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:55PM] [Zad]: OnEffectFinish(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:55PM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(Venus: Golden Chastity Bra (Padded))
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:55PM] [Zad]: Starting unequip operation for [Keyword <zad_DeviousBra (0D003DFA)>]
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:56PM] [Zad]: OnEffectStart(): Bra
[03/19/2021 - 11:16:57PM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]:Defered maintenance...
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: found Devious Devices - Assets.esm
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: Enabled Desire spell
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: Updated notification key to 47
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:00PM] [slamainscr <sla_Main (0A042D62)>]: finished maintenance
[03/19/2021 - 11:17:01PM] warning:  (FE017970): Ref is in an unloaded cell, so it cannot cast spells..
stack:
    <empty stack>

 

 

 

I can remove devices if I manually remove the lock on them (via player.removeitem) but nothing else works. Not clicking on the item and selecting "Unlock," not triggering an unlock through Deviously Cursed Loot, not even unequpping all items in the debug menu of DCL.

 

What's going on with my zadlibs papyrus script? Why doesn't it have UnlockDevice? Is there a patch I missed or something?

 

I have DD 5.1 on SE.

 

If any of you need my load order or the full papyrus log lmk.

 

Thank you.

 

Upon further inspection, I think it was the Sexlab Inflation Framework patch for DD that was causing the issue. Never mind.

[Jimmy_G]

were do i find the stuth i need to make the asets as i fand were i make thim but i cant make thim fit my charaters body if i dont have it there with the idam as i rilly wunt to use this mod

[ibnwater]

I'm looking for DD Integration SE required for the Devious Cidhna SE MOD. Will this download work for DC SE?

 

Thanks for the help!

[Herowynne]

3 hours ago, ibnwater said:

I'm looking for DD Integration SE required for the Devious Cidhna SE MOD. Will this download work for DC SE?

 

Thanks for the help!

Yes, I use this mod with Devious Cidhna.